Koh Tao murder trial rescheduled

[BritTim]

Here's a thought, maybe the 3rd DNA found on Hannah was the one they were going to pin on Muang, but because he obviously had a strong alibi they decided to try and forget it and hope everyone else forgets about it!! Pure speculation of course!!

My own speculation is a little similar. In the first couple of days, they were hoping to make this a crime of jealousy with no rape. This would have been pinned on a farang with no semen samples and associated DNA. It quickly became clear that this would not work. The plan became to find three Burmese scapegoats, which required three sets of DNA. Under pressure, they settled for two scapegoats when Maung had an alibi and they were under severe pressure to use what they had without further delay.

I believe the DNA evidence has been falsified. I also believe that the RTP will have sufficient plausible deniability that this is unlikely ever to be proven.

[loonodingle]

Nobody can answer this can you.

Where is the 3rd person and why no wine bottle in the re construction

What third person? Were is it claimed there was DNA from three different people?

There was no hoe in the reconstruction neither, so?

Keep Up Ali G..

The forensic office from RTP went on thai TV and said dna from A, B & C... did you not watch it.

There was a replica Hoe in the form of a large dustpan.

[berybert]

Nobody can answer this can you.

Where is the 3rd person and why no wine bottle in the re construction

What third person? Were is it claimed there was DNA from three different people?

There was no hoe in the reconstruction neither, so?

No it was claimed there was 3 sets of DNA from 2 people. Are you aware that you have more than one set on DNA within your body ?

You are getting a bit desperate now. Maybe time to let jdinasia take control for a while ?

There was a hoe in the reconstruction but the was no wine bottle. How easy is that to understand ?

Oh sorry you are right the hoe was a plastic sweepy uppy thing. Top marks for pointing that out.

Edited January 14, 2015 by berybert

[berybert]

Sorry AleG I kinda didn't get what you said. No hoe. No David no Hannah. Maybe no one really got murdered ?

[loonodingle]

Sorry AleG I kinda didn't get what you said. No hoe. No David no Hannah. Maybe no one really got murdered ?

Sleep for you Bert.... To many Leo tonight hey

[berybert]

Sorry AleG I kinda didn't get what you said. No hoe. No David no Hannah. Maybe no one really got murdered ?

Sleep for you Bert.... To many Leo tonight hey

No AleG is claiming because no real hoe was used it is ok that no bottle was involved. I mearly point out no hoe (which killed them both) = no bottle = no victims.

P.S. Chang and Carslberg 4 of each. ... You are right time for bed. Boing said Zeberdee.

Edited January 14, 2015 by berybert

[Krenjai]

During the trial:

• I am sure nobody will disagree the defense will bring up the wounds on David, with (close-up) pictures and experts testifying what probably caused them.
• I am convinced that none of these experts will testify they think it was a hoe, but more likely stab-wounds, like a push-knife would inflict on you.
• I am very curious if the prosecutor will insist that the murder weapon on David was the hoe, the same hoe that didn't carry his DNA, I guess they have to, or?
• I am also very curious if they will bring up their own experts that will testify that a hoe could inflict such wounds, they probably will, they have to follow through..
• I also wonder if the defense will talk about the Pancake vendor who is on the record the B2 confessed it was bottle of wine and how the judge will deal with this.

But most of all. if this was my son or daughter that got brutally killed, I would be in that courtroom every single day. On that note, I remember the face of Fred Goldman when OJ got acquitted and I hope the parents of David & Hannah will not look the same when the B2 get convicted with the death penalty. I think it is their duty to speak up what they REALLY think and they better do it NOW! How can they live with the fact, two innocent B2 may get executed by lethal injection, while it should be pretty clear for anybody with an IQ higher than an amoeba something stinks here!

All IMHS (In my humble speculation)

Edited January 14, 2015 by Krenjai

[loonodingle]

During the trial:

• I am sure nobody will disagree the defense will bring up the wounds on David, with (close-up) pictures and experts testifying what probably caused them.
• I am convinced that none of these experts will testify they think it was a hoe, but more likely stab-wounds, like a push-knife would inflict on you.
• I am very curious if the prosecutor will insist that the murder weapon on David was the hoe, the same hoe that didn't carry his DNA, I guess they have to, or?
• I am also very curious if they will bring up their own experts that will testify that a hoe could inflict such wounds, they probably will, they have to follow through..
• I also wonder if the defense will talk about the Pancake vendor who is on the record the B2 confessed it was bottle of wine and how the judge will deal with this.

But most of all. if this was my son or daughter that got brutally killed, I would be in that courtroom every single day. On that note, I remember the face of Fred Goldman when OJ got acquitted and I hope the parents of David & Hannah will not look the same when the B2 get convicted with the death penalty. I think it is their duty to speak up what they REALLY think and they better do it NOW! How can they live with the fact, two innocent B2 may get executed by lethal injection, while it should be pretty clear for anybody with an IQ higher than an amoeba something stinks here!

All IMHS (In my humble speculation)

Absolutely................. agree.. I have raised this with the BBC East reporter Louise on Monday and then again in a follow up email just now. The problem is the family have been fed a story.

[greenchair]

What's the title greenchair

Just found it http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/791489-defense-fund-created-for-migrant-workers-accused-of-koh-tao-murders/

If a few people could make a post on here it would be helpful. Please do not ask for money or donations. But disuss the topic. About the defense needing funds to help the boys get a fair trial

[boomerangutang]

No, they were not tested and cleared in the early stages of the investigation, that is not a FACT, they provided samples a few days before their arrest, along with other 100 to 200 people.

Yes, they were very likely tested in the first or 2nd batch of dozens of Burmese migrants tested. They were involved with AC bar (and playing guitar on the beach late on Sunday), so they would have been at the top of the list of migrants sought for testing. They were all cleared, and I distinctly recall breathing a sigh of relief when reading the official RTP statement clearing all Burmese who were tested.

At least one of them provided a sample a few days before the arrests, along with 100/200 other people, the results were expected by the 30th of September (Bangkok Post article "Murder probe DNA testing ‘nearly done’"), they were arrested on the 2nd of October, for all you know they were finally arrested based on the DNA test results.

I know you're not directly addressing me, but they were arrested primarily because they ran off when cops tried to arrest all migrants playing a sepak tekraw game on the beach. That made the cops angry. But more to the point, the DNA results (B2 matching) wasn't announced until awhile after the 3 Burmese were taken to a 'safe house', interrogated with threats, without legal counsel, and compelled to sign a document they couldn't read.

Meanwhile, Nomsod was still refusing to provide a sample for DNA (he's rich and well connected, so that's ok by RTP).

"They were all cleared"

Prove it, don't bother with anything else, show me were the DNA analysis from the two murder suspects was declared not a match.

"but they were arrested primarily because they ran off when cops tried to arrest all migrants playing a sepak tekraw game on the beach"

Since one of the two was arrested after fleeing the island on a ferry I'm going to call BS on that one too.

"Meanwhile, Nomsod was still refusing to provide a sample for DNA (he's rich and well connected, so that's ok by RTP"

The police did not request a DNA test because he provided a verifiable alibi that he wasn't on the island at the time.

Why don't you try for once to make one single post not plagued with demonstrably false "facts"?

I distinctly remember reading in the news that RTP cleared the Burmese migrants tested for DNA AS NOT BEING MATCHES. It was 100 to 200 migrants. Surely those closest to the scene of the crime (AC employees or beach partiers) were in that first dragnet. What is it about the word 'cleared' that AleG doesn't understand?

Two men run from a Tepak Sekraw game (and angering police who are calling them to stop), and then one is later found off-island. Both can be true.

You don't know if cops didn't request a DNA sample from Nomsod. I'm assuming they did, if they remotely did their jobs. Then again, if cops didn't do that, then it further implicates the cops as aiding the Headman's people avoiding any scrutiny. Nomsod was a prime suspect early in the investigation. For cops to not ask for DNA is lower than non-professionalism. Plus, how could the cops claim he refused to provide if they didn't ask him for it? Or perhaps Nomsod and his lawyer did a preemptive refusal, without even being asked?!?

[boomerangutang]

This was why we sent a team to Thailand and it appears on the face of it to have been a failure

• No Investigations.
• No verification of DNA.
• No investigations into the torture of the suspects
• No advice given to the Thai police
• No assistance given to the Thai Police

This was what the UK Gov promised and yet they done nothing,.

I guess it depends on how one views the events (communications between Brits and Thais) of the past several months. The way I see it, there are 3 sides to the issue:

• Thai officials' perspective: They want as little involvement by Brit specialists as possible. The reason is clear: Brits are adept at crime investigation, and the more adept the investigation into the KT murders/rape, the more likely the evidence will point to people which the police want to shield.
• Official British perspective: They're primary responsibility is to the victims' families, and that's understood. They would like to investigate, but have been hampered (if not outright refused) by Thai authorities to do so (see point above).
• Netizens, Social Media and other concerned citizens' perspective: Nearly all of us want a professional and thorough investigation. Most of us want truth and justice, and also be permanently rid of rapists and murderers prowling around in the public domain.

Currently:

>>> Thai officials score zero

>>> Brits are no-show

>>> Concerned observers are being let-down big-time - by people who are supposed to be professionals and who are paid by the public coffers. In other words, the people who are designated, trained and paid to protect the public, are not doing their jobs.

[AleG]

Yes, they were very likely tested in the first or 2nd batch of dozens of Burmese migrants tested. They were involved with AC bar (and playing guitar on the beach late on Sunday), so they would have been at the top of the list of migrants sought for testing. They were all cleared, and I distinctly recall breathing a sigh of relief when reading the official RTP statement clearing all Burmese who were tested.

I know you're not directly addressing me, but they were arrested primarily because they ran off when cops tried to arrest all migrants playing a sepak tekraw game on the beach. That made the cops angry. But more to the point, the DNA results (B2 matching) wasn't announced until awhile after the 3 Burmese were taken to a 'safe house', interrogated with threats, without legal counsel, and compelled to sign a document they couldn't read.

Meanwhile, Nomsod was still refusing to provide a sample for DNA (he's rich and well connected, so that's ok by RTP).

"They were all cleared"

Prove it, don't bother with anything else, show me were the DNA analysis from the two murder suspects was declared not a match.

"but they were arrested primarily because they ran off when cops tried to arrest all migrants playing a sepak tekraw game on the beach"

Since one of the two was arrested after fleeing the island on a ferry I'm going to call BS on that one too.

"Meanwhile, Nomsod was still refusing to provide a sample for DNA (he's rich and well connected, so that's ok by RTP"

The police did not request a DNA test because he provided a verifiable alibi that he wasn't on the island at the time.

Why don't you try for once to make one single post not plagued with demonstrably false "facts"?

I distinctly remember reading in the news that RTP cleared the Burmese migrants tested for DNA AS NOT BEING MATCHES. It was 100 to 200 migrants. Surely those closest to the scene of the crime (AC employees or beach partiers) were in that first dragnet. What is it about the word 'cleared' that AleG doesn't understand?

Two men run from a Tepak Sekraw game (and angering police who are calling them to stop), and then one is later found off-island. Both can be true.

You don't know if cops didn't request a DNA sample from Nomsod. I'm assuming they did, if they remotely did their jobs. Then again, if cops didn't do that, then it further implicates the cops as aiding the Headman's people avoiding any scrutiny. Nomsod was a prime suspect early in the investigation. For cops to not ask for DNA is lower than non-professionalism. Plus, how could the cops claim he refused to provide if they didn't ask him for it? Or perhaps Nomsod and his lawyer did a preemptive refusal, without even being asked?!?

"I distinctly remember reading in the news that RTP cleared the Burmese migrants tested for DNA AS NOT BEING MATCHES."

Does that come from the the same memory jogging that made you claim the Zodiac Killer case was solved by amateur detectives? I don't care what you distinctly remember, you have proven time and time again that your memory is unreliable, even worse, you have no qualms of adding self serving spin and embellishments, like claiming the "headman people" were cleared after Panya's promotion.

"Surely those closest to the scene of the crime (AC employees or beach partiers) were in that first dragnet."

Then surely you can provide a citation to the two Burmese suspects being in the initial test... so much hotair, so little evidence.

"What is it about the word 'cleared' that AleG doesn't understand?"

I understand "cleared" perfectly, the part you don't understand is that you are claiming they were cleared without actually providing any evidence to support it. I say so is not evidence.

"You don't know if cops didn't request a DNA sample from Nomsod. I'm assuming they did"

You assume many things that are subsequently proved to be wrong, and then continue to assume the same things...

Try less assumptions and more facts, see if things become less muddled then.

[aimbc]

AleG is picking up where jdinasia left off, regarding comments on this crime. They're fixated with bandying around "conspiracy theory" and "conspiracy theorist" in nearly every one of their posts.

They're quite busy, trying desperately to discount every tidbit of the deluge of possible evidence which points at the Headman's people. It must be tiresome. If they were open-minded, they would take an attitude like mine: I've already stated that if the DNA evidence shows the Burmese' DNA matching that found in Hannah, then I will admit the Burmese had sex with her. However, The DNA typing (to satisfy me) has to come from the Brits' independent analysis. Thai officials have zero credibility at this time. Since the replacement Head Cop was put in charge, there have been more screwed up statements than a ref can blow a whistle at.

Conversely, if independently/Brit garnered DNA evidence shows matches between Nomsod and/or Mon with that found in/on Hannah, the Gang of 4 will not admit it's implicating. that's but one difference in our attitudes toward this case. I'm willing and open to consider all solid evidence. In contrast, the Gang of 4 is consistently discounting any bit of evidence which implicates the people they're shielding.

I admit, I go off on theories and scenarios, but that's my right, on an internet blog. Part of a discussion, is putting forth theories of what happened. Thai police ventured similar, and that brought us the ridiculous reenactment on the beach.

btw, Police have not raised a finger to do any reenactments of suspects (yes, including Mon and Nomsod) walking/running on that same CCTV path. For any remotely competent investigation, that would have been a key thing to do. Cops either didn't think to do it, or simply figured it would further implicate Mon and Nomsod, so stuffed the idea. It's not too late.

Interesting thing you pointed out. Over time people will forget and details tend to become fuzzy. I think the entire strategy here is to prolong the trial so that a reinvestigation will prove to be worthless along with crime scene contamination.

The murderer will seem to walk free in this case. Definitely it's not part of the 12 Values.

[thailandchilli]

Here's a few other things that seem to have been forgotten:

The cigarettes found near where the B2 were playing guitar, according to some reports one of them contained lipstick and in other reports it contained Hannahs DNA

Hannah Witheridge shared cigarette with someone before attack, say police: Traces of Miss Witheridge's DNA and that of one other person were found on a cigarette butt some 50 yards from where her body was found, suggesting the 23-year-old shared it with her attackers and even had a conversation with them before being killed. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2762055/Thai-divers-hunt-missing-murder-weapon-tourists-flock-spot-British-duo-murdered.html

One cigarette has lipstick mark. DNA of two people were found in the second cigarette and the DNA of a third person was found in the third cigarette butt http://www.thephuketnews.com/dna-tests-do-not-match-with-those-of-suspects-in-british-tourists-murder-48766.php

Not exactly fitting in with the RTP 'story' of events leading up to the murders!

What about the mystery western woman on cctv caught running, the RTP has not released that yet?? Her lipstick on a cigarette butt?? http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/thailand-beach-murders-hannah-witheridge-4297320

[AGareth2]

send Andy Hall a tweet and ask him

could clear up this matter

[Krenjai]

I distinctly remember reading in the news that RTP cleared the Burmese migrants tested for DNA AS NOT BEING MATCHES. It was 100 to 200 migrants. Surely those closest to the scene of the crime (AC employees or beach partiers) were in that first dragnet. What is it about the word 'cleared' that AleG doesn't understand?

Absolutely 100% correct. I also remember the RTP statement 100 of 200 DNA tests came back negative. I am not going to Goolge it, it's there. So any amoeba understands that it is very very very very very likely the B2, as being employees of the AC bar, were in this first batch and therefore cleared with a 99.99% probability. Backlog? Rubbish!

A is hanging is hat on that 0.01%, but we all know why. Unfortunately nobody can exactly say the date the B2 were tested. The photo of them standing in line does help but be careful with the dates. For example, look at this photo, it was taken on the 19th but published on the 22nd. It is not the B2 but it shows you the RTP were taken DNA samples early on from people that worked near the spot of where the bodies were found, I quote:

"Police taking DNA samples from people who work near the spot where the bodies of two British tourists were found, on the island of Koh Tao on Sept 19, 2014"

http://www.straitstimes.com/news/asia/south-east-asia/story/thai-police-seek-dna-all-koh-tao-residents-hunt-tourist-murderers-20

[Madison blue]

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/index.php?/topic/791489-Defense-fund-created-for-migrant-workers-accused-of-Koh-Tao-murders/page__view__findpost__p__8932821

[loonodingle]

send Andy Hall a tweet and ask him

could clear up this matter

Did you do it then??

Let us know his answer...

[AleG]

I distinctly remember reading in the news that RTP cleared the Burmese migrants tested for DNA AS NOT BEING MATCHES. It was 100 to 200 migrants. Surely those closest to the scene of the crime (AC employees or beach partiers) were in that first dragnet. What is it about the word 'cleared' that AleG doesn't understand?

Absolutely 100% correct. I also remember the RTP statement 100 of 200 DNA tests came back negative. I am not going to Goolge it, it's there. So any amoeba understands that it is very very very very very likely the B2, as being employees of the AC bar, were in this first batch and therefore cleared with a 99.99% probability. Backlog? Rubbish!

A is hanging is hat on that 0.01%, but we all know why. Unfortunately nobody can exactly say the date the B2 were tested. The photo of them standing in line does help but be careful with the dates. For example, look at this photo, it was taken on the 19th but published on the 22nd. It is not the B2 but it shows you the RTP were taken DNA samples early on from people that worked near the spot of where the bodies were found, I quote:

"Police taking DNA samples from people who work near the spot where the bodies of two British tourists were found, on the island of Koh Tao on Sept 19, 2014"

DNA testing.jpg

http://www.straitstimes.com/news/asia/south-east-asia/story/thai-police-seek-dna-all-koh-tao-residents-hunt-tourist-murderers-20

"Absolutely 100% correct. I also remember the RTP statement 100 of 200 DNA tests came back negative. I am not going to Goolge it"

Why not? Are you afraid your memory may be wrong?

"So any amoeba understands that it is very very very very very likely the B2, as being employees of the AC bar, were in this first batch and therefore cleared with a 99.99% probability."

How convinient, you want something to be true, so you declare it to be true.

All this huffing and puffing and still not a single bit of evidence to support the claim that they were tested and cleared.

"A is hanging is hat on that 0.01%, but we all know why."

Oh, do tell; why? That should be interesting.

[AleG]

Yes, DNA from three people, B and C on the body, A and B on a cigarette.

Were do you get the information that DNA from three people was found on the body of the victim?

AleG

Still trying to find where I said 3 DNA on the Body????

Please advise??

Yes, you are right, you didn't mention the body.

The third person DNA was on the cigarette, which is entirely consistent with the scenario of Muang smoking and drinking with the other and leaving before the murders.

[stephen terry]

Yes, DNA from three people, B and C on the body, A and B on a cigarette.

Were do you get the information that DNA from three people was found on the body of the victim?

AleG

Still trying to find where I said 3 DNA on the Body????

Please advise??

Yes, you are right, you didn't mention the body.

The third person DNA was on the cigarette, which is entirely consistent with the scenario of Muang smoking and drinking with the other and leaving before the murders.

Or it could have been three other people, entirely. It's up to the defence to discredit any DNA 'evidence' supplied by the RTP. Without any independent verification, it's conceivable that the defence could 'win' that one, or at least (in the absence of any reported eye-witnesses) there would need to be accompanying circumstantial evidence to support it. Whether the phone and/or sunglasses are strong enough, I think the defence could discredit that as well, because it's circumstantial, not proof, that the Burmese stole these items. And it makes me laugh to consider that any sane person would wear the sunglasses in public after committing a horrific murder, especially with about 100 RTP searching for clues.

[loonodingle]

Yes, DNA from three people, B and C on the body, A and B on a cigarette.

Were do you get the information that DNA from three people was found on the body of the victim?

AleG

Still trying to find where I said 3 DNA on the Body????

Please advise??

Yes, you are right, you didn't mention the body.

The third person DNA was on the cigarette, which is entirely consistent with the scenario of Muang smoking and drinking with the other and leaving before the murders.

That's Fine.... Don't misquote me to justify your own agenda.

The problem you also have is the plethora of respected Thai People including the country's top Forensic Officer raising serious concerns about the way they case has been handled.

So this isn't 8 drunk blokes and a couple of women on a forum having some banter about a some irrelevant topic. There's 2 young men's life nearing the end as we speak.

You are also obviously not on Koh Tao.... if you was you wouldn't make these statements. The thai residents are extremely scared to speak out. One lady who just came back from there at xmas told me..

"This family vely stong. you speek you die sure jing jing. this boy is goat for Thailand"

I was speaking to a reporter in the UK a few days ago and they said to me, the problem is we don't want to upset the family. We are local and its very hard to publish anything that will cause distress to them.

So I asked her............... If Hannah was sitting here now with us what would she tell you to do. What would she expect us to do. are you telling me she would say don't upset my mother and father let the 2 boys die. She wouldn't would she. She was a caring person who was seeking a career in helping people to speak. To communicate with us.. She has no voice now but we can speak for her... personally I don't want to be in a situation in 8 or 9 months time when they carry those 2 lads body's out the death chamber and hand them over to their grieving families and think I wish I had of said something. I have suggested the same to the reporter and the MP Brandon Lewis who can raise this issue. The UK Gov spout on about human rights issues and yet do nothing. No one can convince me they have nothing up their sleeves where they cannot demand another look at this. There's a diplomatic way somehow.

Fairness and transparency is a reasonable request.

[Krenjai]

"Absolutely 100% correct. I also remember the RTP statement 100 of 200 DNA tests came back negative. I am not going to Goolge it"

Why not? Are you afraid your memory may be wrong?

Not at all, my memory serves me very well, and it is even worse.......here is a statement made September 26th !!!! that 200 Samples had already come back negative............ .now do you really believe the B2 were not in this first batch of 200???!!

http://siamdailynews.com/public-relations/2014/09/26/News-in-Thailand-1357/

http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/100-dna-samples-yet-tested

Many more links (try Google)

[aimbc]

Are you quoting from what the police said? Or did you actually witness the investigation? I don't think you were there to witness the investigation. So everything you based your argument are from hearsay from the police statement. And nothing has been checked or validated by any one. Or have you checked it?

Simple answer please, can you confirm and validate the report by the police? If not, then using the statement to prove your point is pointless and speculation as well. For all we know, it was fabricated. Unless you can provide solid proof that it is true.

The RTP, at this point has a very low credibility.

The claim that the police planted bloody trousers in Chris Ware's luggage to try to frame him comes from armchair "detectives" with a chip on their shoulders and is supported by nothing but their own imagination, so yes, I'll take a police statement against that any day of the week.

Besides that, you still don't understand how the concept of burden of proof works.

So you are saying that you falsely believe that the police report is true, since you haven't validated the report yet?

Note, this whole investigation has may inconsistency and from a source that majority of the population do not trust. You can blindly believe the police, that is your stance, most of us posting here are looking for the truth. Burden of proof mean you must provide proof that the police report is accurate. If you can do that, then I will accept your claims. That is all I am asking. Can you provide that. And things will be more clear for all of us?

[AleG]

"Absolutely 100% correct. I also remember the RTP statement 100 of 200 DNA tests came back negative. I am not going to Goolge it"

Why not? Are you afraid your memory may be wrong?

Not at all, my memory serves me very well, and it is even worse.......here is a statement made September 26th !!!! that 200 Samples had already come back negative............ .now do you really believe the B2 were not in this first batch of 200???!!

http://siamdailynews.com/public-relations/2014/09/26/News-in-Thailand-1357/

http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/100-dna-samples-yet-tested

Many more links (try Google)

This is a clear example of cherry picking, the very title of the articles you linked at says "100 more DNA samples are yet to be tested".

You just would like to believe the two Burmese were already tested and cleared, there is nothing on either article (the same one actually) that supports that claim.

[AleG]

Yes, DNA from three people, B and C on the body, A and B on a cigarette.

Were do you get the information that DNA from three people was found on the body of the victim?

So are you saying it is only B's DNA that was found on both the body and the cigarette ?

So you now agree with us that at least 1 of the Burmese is being set up ?

Maybe Win did run because he was B and he knew after killing David and Hannah all by himself he was about to be caught.

Thank you for the information. I hope this is the sort of stuff the defense is going to be contesting.

No reply to your own statement yet that only one of the boys committed the murder.

I didn't say that, you are making things up as usual.

A few posts ago you admitted to being drunk when posting. To help you out I'm not going to reply to your nonsensical posts anymore. OK?

[AleG]

The claim that the police planted bloody trousers in Chris Ware's luggage to try to frame him comes from armchair "detectives" with a chip on their shoulders and is supported by nothing but their own imagination, so yes, I'll take a police statement against that any day of the week.

Besides that, you still don't understand how the concept of burden of proof works.

So you are saying that you falsely believe that the police report is true, since you haven't validated the report yet?

Note, this whole investigation has may inconsistency and from a source that majority of the population do not trust. You can blindly believe the police, that is your stance, most of us posting here are looking for the truth. Burden of proof mean you must provide proof that the police report is accurate. If you can do that, then I will accept your claims. That is all I am asking. Can you provide that. And things will be more clear for all of us?

"So you are saying that you falsely believe that the police report is true"

How does that work? No, honestly, how does one falsely believe in something?

Listen, carefully, you clearly don't understand the concept of burden of proof.

If you, or someone else claims that the police planted bloody trousers in Chris Ware's luggage is up to the person making the claim to support it.

Let me exemplify. If I were to say: there is CCTV footage of the two Burmese suspects actually carrying out the murder and rape. Would just take my word for it or would you ask for proof of that statement?

It's not me making the claim, it's not the RTP, it's you; therefore the burden of proof is on you. Get it now?

If you want to claim the police planted bloody trousers on Chris Ware's luggage show something, anything that supports that claim, since it's only you and a handful of other people that are claiming that.

Besides that asking for a police report to prove something a bunch of people made up out of whole cloth is ludicrous. I could just as well speculate that the murder was committed by space monkeys and take the absence of a rebuttal to that argument from police reports as positive proof for my scenario.

Oh, why do I bother, it will just fly completely over your head like the last half dozen times or so...

[berybert]

Yes, DNA from three people, B and C on the body, A and B on a cigarette.

Were do you get the information that DNA from three people was found on the body of the victim?

So are you saying it is only B's DNA that was found on both the body and the cigarette ?

So you now agree with us that at least 1 of the Burmese is being set up ?

Maybe Win did run because he was B and he knew after killing David and Hannah all by himself he was about to be caught.

Thank you for the information. I hope this is the sort of stuff the defense is going to be contesting.

No reply to your own statement yet that only one of the boys committed the murder.

I didn't say that, you are making things up as usual.

A few posts ago you admitted to being drunk when posting. To help you out I'm not going to reply to your nonsensical posts anymore. OK?

Good. But before you go take a minute and read what you typed.

3 DNA ....A B C. If B and C's DNA were on the body and A and B's on the cigarette then it can only be possible for B's DNA to be on both the body and the cigarette. So in my world that makes one killer DNA in both places, as you correctly stated. Even tho you stated that very fact yourself, you now disagree with it.

I do so hope the prosecution team make this as easy for the defense as you are making it for us.

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[metisdead]

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[boomerangutang]

"Absolutely 100% correct. I also remember the RTP statement 100 of 200 DNA tests came back negative. I am not going to Goolge it"

Why not? Are you afraid your memory may be wrong?

Not at all, my memory serves me very well, and it is even worse.......here is a statement made September 26th !!!! that 200 Samples had already come back negative............ .now do you really believe the B2 were not in this first batch of 200???!!

http://siamdailynews.com/public-relations/2014/09/26/News-in-Thailand-1357/

http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/100-dna-samples-yet-tested

Many more links (try Google)

I knew I had read it. Thanks for backing that up Kenjai. AleG is typically frantic, trying to dispel anything which might deflect from marching the B2 to the death chamber or implicate the Headman's people. He's like Hans Brinker with 100 fingers trying to plug 1,000 holes in the dike, to keep it from breaching.