Koh Tao murder trial rescheduled

[boomerangutang]

Here's another way (of several) in which farang experts have assisted Thai authorities in crime investigations - within Thailand:

RE; ivory smuggling. Farang have often been at the vanguard. Why? Because farang in general are more serious about tackling the problem. But also because, if there's a sting operation (against an illegal ivory dealer), it needs farang in charge to give it a chance of being effective. Reason: if Thais try to do it on their own, one of their team will secretly notify the targeted person.

An upcoming 'farang-assisting-Thai authorities' stories will likely target the shark fin biz. Again, farang will have to spearhead it, for the same reasons mentioned above.

[loonodingle]

For all we write about it the bottom line is the RTP don't want anyone checking. That's as clear as the sky on a sunny day.

[AleG]

Nobody is spooked of Dr, Porntip, or of independent DNA testing; as usual you have to retreat into your make believe world to hold on to your beliefs.

As for your anecdote, it is irrelevant because it was not a criminal investigation.

Wrong. Everything the replacement police team does and says - shows they don't want thorough or independent investigation of the DNA trail. They didn't even give their 2-day visiting 'observers' (the Brits) Nomsod's DNA. ....or anyone else's DNA. The prospect of Ms Porntip coming on to the scene in an official capacity, and spearheading the DNA trail, is anathema to the cops and to the Headman's people, for obvious reasons. She would be blocked every step of the way, similar to how the Brits were blocked. However, Ms Porntip wouldn't just grin and say 'ok.' She's a tiger. The Brits came away looking like spotted dicks.

You are (not) aware, of course, that the same people that you claim are behind a vast conspiracy to hide the truth are the same people that made Dr. Porntip director of the Central Institute of Forensic Science.

"The order by the National Council for Peace and Order (NCPO) dated June 17 mandated the deputy permanent secretary for Justice Ministry, Charnchaovana Chaiyanukij, to reinstate Khunying Porntip back as director of the Central Institute of Forensic Science"

Once more you deliberately fail to understand that the UK police has no jurisdiction to investigate in Thailand.

[boomerangutang]

Once more you deliberately fail to understand that the UK police has no jurisdiction to investigate in Thailand.

Just because you (and Thai officials) want that to be true, in this case, ....doesn't make it true in general. You can cite some unwritten rule about that, but the reality is: foreign investigators DO assist in crime investigations in other countries, at times.

There was Al Quaeda #3 bad guy arrested as he entered Chiang Kong, several years ago. Thai authorities wouldn't have known about him entering unless informed by CIA. There are probably dozens, if not hundreds of other examples, where farang investigators assisted Thai authorities.

The #1 reason, as indicated in dozens of posts, why Thai officialdom doesn't want British involvement in this case, is obvious. Thai officials don't want the truth revealed, because they're duty-bound (and possibly paid under-the-table) to shield the punks connected to you-know-who. Every action and every announcement since the replacement head cop took over attests to that.

[boomerangutang]

You are (not) aware, of course, that the same people that you claim are behind a vast conspiracy.....

The only people using the adjective 'VAST' in front of 'conspiracy' are you and your few buddies who echo the RTP's every utterance.

Again, a conspiracy doesn't have to be vast to get started. To get started, a conspiracy just needs one or two people. If a Thai top brass (like a general in the PM's seat, or a top cop, for example) claims something, then every uniformed person under him is duty-bound to follow suit. If they're fed only peanuts, they're going to be peanut-fed. Yet even all the uniformed people in Thailand, plus 5 Thai-visa posters, aren't a vast group, compared to the numbers of general public who believe there's a frame-up/cover-up going on. If you want to call like-minded people conspirators, that's your choice, but you're painting yourself even more in a corner, as a shielder of the H's people, and someone who is in favor of obstructing justice.

By the same token, you could call everyone who believes a tsunami hit the Indian Ocean in 2004, a conspirator.

[IslandLover]

thailandchilli, on 08 Feb 2015 - 15:11, said:

loonodingle, on 08 Feb 2015 - 14:32, said:

greenchair, on 08 Feb 2015 - 14:08, said:

Not on the night of the murder.

He may well have had blonde hair and recently dyed it black. But on that night, it was black. received_10153014864933728.jpeg

So that dispels that myth he had blonde hair hey!!!..

Nice one GC

Yes another misleading report by the RTP in which they were attempting to link him to the murders.

He had recently dyed his hair black when originally his hair was dyed blond. Some blond strands of human hair were found at the scene and were kept as evidence. Police are awaiting DNA test results to confirm their case. http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/three-migrant-workers-confess-rape-murder-british-tourists

Later reports said that Thai forensics were unable to extract any DNA from this so-called "blond hair". I find this very strange considering what western forensics can do with a single strand of hair. No further mention was made of the blond hair after that particular forensics bombshell. Also, what happened to the blond hair that was reportedly snagged on an iphone that the RTP found?

[AleG]

You are (not) aware, of course, that the same people that you claim are behind a vast conspiracy.....

The only people using the adjective 'VAST' in front of 'conspiracy' are you and your few buddies who echo the RTP's every utterance.

Again, a conspiracy doesn't have to be vast to get started. To get started, a conspiracy just needs one or two people. If a Thai top brass (like a general in the PM's seat, or a top cop, for example) claims something, then every uniformed person under him is duty-bound to follow suit. If they're fed only peanuts, they're going to be peanut-fed. Yet even all the uniformed people in Thailand, plus 5 Thai-visa posters, aren't a vast group, compared to the numbers of general public who believe there's a frame-up/cover-up going on. If you want to call like-minded people conspirators, that's your choice, but you're painting yourself even more in a corner, as a shielder of the H's people, and someone who is in favor of obstructing justice.

By the same token, you could call everyone who believes a tsunami hit the Indian Ocean in 2004, a conspirator.

Ah, so your conspiracy theory, that everyone in government from the PM down is in, is not vast, OK...

"but you're painting yourself even more in a corner, as a shielder of the H's people, and someone who is in favor of obstructing justice."

You are painting yourself as a very paranoid person.

[AleG]

thailandchilli, on 08 Feb 2015 - 15:11, said:

Yes another misleading report by the RTP in which they were attempting to link him to the murders.

He had recently dyed his hair black when originally his hair was dyed blond. Some blond strands of human hair were found at the scene and were kept as evidence. Police are awaiting DNA test results to confirm their case. http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/three-migrant-workers-confess-rape-murder-british-tourists

Later reports said that Thai forensics were unable to extract any DNA from this so-called "blond hair". I find this very strange considering what western forensics can do with a single strand of hair. No further mention was made of the blond hair after that particular forensics bombshell. Also, what happened to the blond hair that was reportedly snagged on an iphone that the RTP found?

Hair doesn't contain DNA.

The hair fibers (sometimes referred to as the hair shaft) are actually formed by keratinocytes, types of skin cells which are responsible for the synthesis of the protein keratin. These cells naturally die and in the process get converted from cells into a horny, tough material such as hairs. This conversion process is known as cornification, and it involves the destruction and degradation of the cell nucleus (and thus, also of the genetic material enclosed within). As a consequence of cornification, the hair shaft, which is the part of the hair that protrudes out of the scalp, does not contain any nuclear DNA.

[thailandchilli]

thailandchilli, on 08 Feb 2015 - 15:11, said:

Yes another misleading report by the RTP in which they were attempting to link him to the murders.

He had recently dyed his hair black when originally his hair was dyed blond. Some blond strands of human hair were found at the scene and were kept as evidence. Police are awaiting DNA test results to confirm their case. http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/three-migrant-workers-confess-rape-murder-british-tourists

Later reports said that Thai forensics were unable to extract any DNA from this so-called "blond hair". I find this very strange considering what western forensics can do with a single strand of hair. No further mention was made of the blond hair after that particular forensics bombshell. Also, what happened to the blond hair that was reportedly snagged on an iphone that the RTP found?

Hair doesn't contain DNA.

The hair fibers (sometimes referred to as the hair shaft) are actually formed by keratinocytes, types of skin cells which are responsible for the synthesis of the protein keratin. These cells naturally die and in the process get converted from cells into a horny, tough material such as hairs. This conversion process is known as cornification, and it involves the destruction and degradation of the cell nucleus (and thus, also of the genetic material enclosed within). As a consequence of cornification, the hair shaft, which is the part of the hair that protrudes out of the scalp, does not contain any nuclear DNA.

Its still possible but difficult to obtain DNA from hair so long as you also have the root.

However DNA with hair is not really necessary as the hair evidence in itself is enough to match a suspect:

Nevertheless, whilst hair samples can be accurately used for the identification of the perpetrator, http://www.forensicmag.com/articles/2013/04/challenges-dna-testing-and-forensic-analysis-hair-samples

[IslandLover]

AleG, on 09 Feb 2015 - 03:26, said:

IslandLover, on 09 Feb 2015 - 03:10, said:

thailandchilli, on 08 Feb 2015 - 15:11, said:thailandchilli, on 08 Feb 2015 - 15:11, said:

Yes another misleading report by the RTP in which they were attempting to link him to the murders.

He had recently dyed his hair black when originally his hair was dyed blond. Some blond strands of human hair were found at the scene and were kept as evidence. Police are awaiting DNA test results to confirm their case. http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/three-migrant-workers-confess-rape-murder-british-tourists

Later reports said that Thai forensics were unable to extract any DNA from this so-called "blond hair". I find this very strange considering what western forensics can do with a single strand of hair. No further mention was made of the blond hair after that particular forensics bombshell. Also, what happened to the blond hair that was reportedly snagged on an iphone that the RTP found?

Hair doesn't contain DNA.

The hair fibers (sometimes referred to as the hair shaft) are actually formed by keratinocytes, types of skin cells which are responsible for the synthesis of the protein keratin. These cells naturally die and in the process get converted from cells into a horny, tough material such as hairs. This conversion process is known as cornification, and it involves the destruction and degradation of the cell nucleus (and thus, also of the genetic material enclosed within). As a consequence of cornification, the hair shaft, which is the part of the hair that protrudes out of the scalp, does not contain any nuclear DNA.

I stand corrected. What I should have said was Thai forensics were unable to extract any useful information from this so-called "blond hair". It was originally reported that the hair sample was more than just a mere strand so the fact that Thai forensics couldn't obtain anything useful from it shows that their standards are lacking compared to those of western labs IMO. Of course the hair may have just turned out to be Hannah's.

[greenchair]

thailandchilli, on 08 Feb 2015 - 15:11, said:

loonodingle, on 08 Feb 2015 - 14:32, said:

greenchair, on 08 Feb 2015 - 14:08, said:

Not on the night of the murder.

He may well have had blonde hair and recently dyed it black. But on that night, it was black. received_10153014864933728.jpeg

So that dispels that myth he had blonde hair hey!!!..

Nice one GC

Yes another misleading report by the RTP in which they were attempting to link him to the murders.

He had recently dyed his hair black when originally his hair was dyed blond. Some blond strands of human hair were found at the scene and were kept as evidence. Police are awaiting DNA test results to confirm their case. http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/three-migrant-workers-confess-rape-murder-british-tourists

Later reports said that Thai forensics were unable to extract any DNA from this so-called "blond hair". I find this very strange considering what western forensics can do with a single strand of hair. No further mention was made of the blond hair after that particular forensics bombshell. Also, what happened to the blond hair that was reportedly snagged on an iphone that the RTP found?

There is one other plausible reason, they could not get dna from the hair.

The hair may be fake.

Maybe these stories of there being a ladyboy or a gay element might not be so far off.

[seahorse]

>>> friends of David & Hannah could speak up as to what happened at the bars.

>>> friends of Hannah could confirm whether Hannah smoked or not, and how much alcohol she consumed.

>>> friends of Hannah could confirm when they last saw her and who was with her, and did she have her mobile phone with her.

>>> friends of David could confirm when they last saw him and who was with him.

>>> friends of David could opinion whether there was any 'relationship' with Hannah.

It troubles me that there has been no statements by the 'friends'. Zilch. Their information could be invaluable in proving the innocence (or guilt) of the B2. I wonder why no-one has spoken. Is anyone else implicated?

I'm beginning to consider that Hannah wouldn't walk back to her room alone or go to the beach with other than farangs. Where did the other girls stay? Was there another girl on the beach with Hannah? One that did wear lipstick and smoke? One that did run away when the attacks began, and scarper from the island PDQ?

Alternatively, Hannah must have walked along the beach with David and/or Sean. How did they meet up after leaving the bars separately - David on his own and Hannah with two girlfriends?

One of Hannah's housemates, Lucy Dunkley, 25, said yesterday: "The girls who she was out there with said David was just lovely and obviously really smitten with Hannah."

http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Thai+cops%3A+We%27re+close+to+snaring+beach+killer.-a0383598832

My (reliable) friend claims he saw David and Hannah together in Phuket just before the murders. He said he stayed at the same guesthouse as them.

Maybe this one reason why the friends are keeping quiet.

[greenchair]

I have no knowledge that David was smitten or not. Even if he was, most likely it was just that.

There is not a single photo of them even sitting within touching distance of each other. She did not look at all drunk and from many reports, is known to be a sensible young lady. If they left the bar together at 2am. There is not a doubt it would have been circulated, to confirm the theory they were an item.

Even the police don't believe they were together anymore.

It does seem hard to believe she walked to the bar alone or walked to the hotel alone. I am hoping the friends have given information to the defense. It is interesting that, Chris Ware is on the defense list and not the prosecution. If they have the funding to get him here of course. I would like to attend that court date.

[seahorse]

1. They were seen together at a guesthouse in Phuket. (The guesthouse owner can verify that and the RTP could check immigration records. It could be something the RTP have up their sleeves to make their case seem more credible.)
2. They stayed in adjacent rooms (with their respective friends) on Koh Tao a few days later.
3. They were found dead together behind secluded rocks a few metres away from each other.
4. One of Hannah's closest friends who wasn't on the trip let it slip that David was "smitten" with Hannah.

It's possible that part of the RTP story is true i.e. they were together on the beach before the attack. The best lies are based on a grain of truth.

It would explain some of the little details like David's shirt off before the attack and wearing only one sock.

[metisdead]

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[balo]

This is what I would consider blonde. blondy.jpg

Scruffy blonde if you are a trend setter.

When it was reported that they found traces of blond hair , here in Thailand it can mean anything from brown/ blond to completely blond. I see a lot of younger thais color or "decorate" their hair with a bit of blond stripes,

[loonodingle]

This is what I would consider blonde. blondy.jpg

Scruffy blonde if you are a trend setter.

When it was reported that they found traces of blond hair , here in Thailand it can mean anything from brown/ blond to completely blond. I see a lot of younger thais color or "decorate" their hair with a bit of blond stripes,

Exactly and the Thais refer to all that as blonde. Hence why it was mention he had had blonde hair. However GC has shown that on the night he didn't.

[rockingrobin]

The hair if not false, can forensically reveal a vast amount of information, because of its nature it is very robust.

Hair analysis is used in drug testing , to determine what chemicals and substances have been taken, you can even tell race and if the hair has been dyed

With regards to Hannah and David , as far as I can see the only evidence we have seen that suggests they was killed together, is

Discovered at the same time

In the same location but there bodies not adjacent to each other

They attended some bars/pubs together

[jimmybkk]

You can speculate all you want for another 100 pages but there will be nothing new in this case until the trial starts.

But by all means, go ahead and do your stuff.

Exactly why I am not commenting on these pages anymore.

Yet not surprisingly, some rather obsessive posters keep mentioning me by name.

Nah, that ain't true. You were prepared to take on all-comers whilst defending the official party line and you only stopped commenting when it was suggested that there may be a gay connection to these murders and that you may know more about what happened that night than you are letting on, at which point you hightailed it outta here without so much as an "au revoir"...

Seeing as how you're back now, in light of the fact that there appears to be no evidence linking the 2 Burmese lads to the murders, would you mind reminding the rest of us why it is that you're so certain of their guilt?

[jimmybkk]

The hair if not false, can forensically reveal a vast amount of information, because of its nature it is very robust.

Hair analysis is used in drug testing , to determine what chemicals and substances have been taken, you can even tell race and if the hair has been dyed

With regards to Hannah and David , as far as I can see the only evidence we have seen that suggests they was killed together, is

Discovered at the same time

In the same location but there bodies not adjacent to each other

They attended some bars/pubs together

I posted this once before - it was relating to a murder in the UK and back in 2006 Dr. Stuart Black was able to determine the following from some hair that was found in the victims hand:

"...the strands of hair represented nine months' growth and belonged to a person who lived in the United Kingdom. The person, however, had traveled abroad on two occasions, and had changed their diet twice in the three months prior to the hair being cut. According to a Dorset Police document, the person in question had traveled to "the Valencia-to-Almeria area of eastern Spain and/or the Marseille-to-Perpignan area of southern France for up to six days," approximately eleven weeks before the strands were cut. Afterward, the person visited an urban area of Tampa, Florida., for eight days, approximately two to two and a half weeks before the hair was cut."

Source: http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial_killers/unsolved/hair_in_hand_murders/5.html

I would hazard a guess that If the hair found relating to these murders was subject to the same analysis then from the list of potential candidates it would not be too hard to pinpoint to whom the hair belonged. But of course you would only send the hairs to be analyzed this way if your objective was to identify the actual perpetrators...

[IslandLover]

seahorse, on 09 Feb 2015 - 07:42, said:

1. They were seen together at a guesthouse in Phuket. (The guesthouse owner can verify that and the RTP could check immigration records. It could be something the RTP have up their sleeves to make their case seem more credible.)
2. They stayed in adjacent rooms (with their respective friends) on Koh Tao a few days later.
3. They were found dead together behind secluded rocks a few metres away from each other.
4. One of Hannah's closest friends who wasn't on the trip let it slip that David was "smitten" with Hannah.

It's possible that part of the RTP story is true i.e. they were together on the beach before the attack. The best lies are based on a grain of truth.

It would explain some of the little details like David's shirt off before the attack and wearing only one sock.

1. They were seen together at a guesthouse in Phuket.

2. They stayed in adjacent rooms (with their respective friends) on Koh Tao a few days later.

Then how do you explain the fact that David Miller and Chris Ware were in Koh Phangan before travelling to Koh Tao? There are pictures of them at the full moon party.

If David had been involved with Hannah as much as you say, then I don't think David Miller's girlfriend would have stayed so loyal to him - which is evident from her facebook posts since the murders.

[greenchair]

Many things I am not sure of.

But I am sure that the 2 were just friends, and barely that.

Would not surprise me if the hair disappeared.

[Mooner]

The hair if not false, can forensically reveal a vast amount of information, because of its nature it is very robust.

Hair analysis is used in drug testing , to determine what chemicals and substances have been taken, you can even tell race and if the hair has been dyed

With regards to Hannah and David , as far as I can see the only evidence we have seen that suggests they was killed together, is

Discovered at the same time

In the same location but there bodies not adjacent to each other

They attended some bars/pubs together

I posted this once before - it was relating to a murder in the UK and back in 2006 Dr. Stuart Black was able to determine the following from some hair that was found in the victims hand:

"...the strands of hair represented nine months' growth and belonged to a person who lived in the United Kingdom. The person, however, had traveled abroad on two occasions, and had changed their diet twice in the three months prior to the hair being cut. According to a Dorset Police document, the person in question had traveled to "the Valencia-to-Almeria area of eastern Spain and/or the Marseille-to-Perpignan area of southern France for up to six days," approximately eleven weeks before the strands were cut. Afterward, the person visited an urban area of Tampa, Florida., for eight days, approximately two to two and a half weeks before the hair was cut."

Source: http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial_killers/unsolved/hair_in_hand_murders/5.html

I would hazard a guess that If the hair found relating to these murders was subject to the same analysis then from the list of potential candidates it would not be too hard to pinpoint to whom the hair belonged. But of course you would only send the hairs to be analyzed this way if your objective was to identify the actual perpetrators...

Great post. An actual process to verify perps apart from DNA that could be compromised.

I also mentioned gate technology to verify certain people in CCTV footage.

If you were a big player in KT you would pull out all stops to solve this murder.

withholding CCTV is not normal. You would be completely transparent to protect your business and community

[Maestro]

Removed a bickering post and the reply to it.

[berybert]

The hair if not false, can forensically reveal a vast amount of information, because of its nature it is very robust.

Hair analysis is used in drug testing , to determine what chemicals and substances have been taken, you can even tell race and if the hair has been dyed

With regards to Hannah and David , as far as I can see the only evidence we have seen that suggests they was killed together, is

Discovered at the same time

In the same location but there bodies not adjacent to each other

They attended some bars/pubs together

I posted this once before - it was relating to a murder in the UK and back in 2006 Dr. Stuart Black was able to determine the following from some hair that was found in the victims hand:

"...the strands of hair represented nine months' growth and belonged to a person who lived in the United Kingdom. The person, however, had traveled abroad on two occasions, and had changed their diet twice in the three months prior to the hair being cut. According to a Dorset Police document, the person in question had traveled to "the Valencia-to-Almeria area of eastern Spain and/or the Marseille-to-Perpignan area of southern France for up to six days," approximately eleven weeks before the strands were cut. Afterward, the person visited an urban area of Tampa, Florida., for eight days, approximately two to two and a half weeks before the hair was cut."

Source: http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial_killers/unsolved/hair_in_hand_murders/5.html

I would hazard a guess that If the hair found relating to these murders was subject to the same analysis then from the list of potential candidates it would not be too hard to pinpoint to whom the hair belonged. But of course you would only send the hairs to be analyzed this way if your objective was to identify the actual perpetrators...

Great post. An actual process to verify perps apart from DNA that could be compromised.

I also mentioned gate technology to verify certain people in CCTV footage.

If you were a big player in KT you would pull out all stops to solve this murder.

withholding CCTV is not normal. You would be completely transparent to protect your business and community

Oh my. Did the hair prove the murderer was a Spurs fan and had watched every episode of telly tubbies since 2008 ?

Mooner I said it before and I will say it again... Oh my.

[loonodingle]

Great post. An actual process to verify perps apart from DNA that could be compromised.

I also mentioned gate technology to verify certain people in CCTV footage.

If you were a big player in KT you would pull out all stops to solve this murder.

withholding CCTV is not normal. You would be completely transparent to protect your business and community

Oh my. Did the hair prove the murderer was a Spurs fan and had watched every episode of telly tubbies since 2008 ?

Mooner I said it before and I will say it again... Oh my.

Berybert,

Theres so many great forensic breakthroughs that they are hauling people out of their beds at 6am all over the world for crimes committed years and years ago.

[boomerangutang]

If you were a big player in KT you would pull out all stops to solve this murder.

withholding CCTV is not normal. You would be completely transparent to protect your business and community

That might be true if any of the 'big players' on KT were honest or brave enough to step out of the shadows and speak the truth. One of the biggest players is doing the opposite. He's doing everything he can to thwart the solving of the double murder.

[stephen terry]

If you were a big player in KT you would pull out all stops to solve this murder.

withholding CCTV is not normal. You would be completely transparent to protect your business and community

That might be true if any of the 'big players' on KT were honest or brave enough to step out of the shadows and speak the truth. One of the biggest players is doing the opposite. He's doing everything he can to thwart the solving of the double murder.

Exactly. If the B2 were involved, they would have been fingered the following day by these families. The only rational conclusion is that the families are covering up for one or more of their own. They tell the top police to leave them alone. And in order to comply, yet be seen to 'solve' these murders, scapegoats other than Thais need to be accused.

It is a sad reflection on Thai society that this scenario is commonplace if a suspect has connections and money. Here, you can buy 'justice'.

[balo]

This is what I would consider blonde. blondy.jpg

Scruffy blonde if you are a trend setter.

When it was reported that they found traces of blond hair , here in Thailand it can mean anything from brown/ blond to completely blond. I see a lot of younger thais color or "decorate" their hair with a bit of blond stripes,

Exactly and the Thais refer to all that as blonde. Hence why it was mention he had had blonde hair. However GC has shown that on the night he didn't.

Cctv images are not clear enough to show the hair , it looks dark enough, still it could be color in it.

[jdinasia]

You can speculate all you want for another 100 pages but there will be nothing new in this case until the trial starts.

But by all means, go ahead and do your stuff.

Exactly why I am not commenting on these pages anymore.

Yet not surprisingly, some rather obsessive posters keep mentioning me by name.

Nah, that ain't true. You were prepared to take on all-comers whilst defending the official party line and you only stopped commenting when it was suggested that there may be a gay connection to these murders and that you may know more about what happened that night than you are letting on, at which point you hightailed it outta here without so much as an "au revoir"...

Seeing as how you're back now, in light of the fact that there appears to be no evidence linking the 2 Burmese lads to the murders, would you mind reminding the rest of us why it is that you're so certain of their guilt?

Wrong on all counts as usual.