jet skis umbrellas etc

[NamKangMan]

+1 Phuketrichard... Spoke to a police 'friend' today he said NOW you know why we weren't too bothered with inforcing the laws, we all knew it would be a waste of time and only make enemies when we knew all along they would be allowed back...

So, on the basis of your police friend's comment, Phuket is lawless.

Officials and/or politicians are blatantly allowing the breaching of Thai Law, and the police are either corrupt, incompetent, scared, or all of these combined.

If the Thai military, whilst Thailand is under military rule, can not fix the issues here - who can?

[Sharp]

You won't get me arguing against your point sir... Who can?? I think it's more like who cares unfortunately!!

[Bogan Koori]

Bring back the old days. At least the beaches were clean. Who cares if people had to pay 45baht for a beach chair? And 2 hours on a jet ski for 1000 baht isn't bad value. Phuket beaches lost a bit of charm with the new laws. The tourists don't like it

[surangw]

back to business as usual after the tea money schedule has been settled

[RickyJB]

I didnt bother much with the beach before, when it was packed with vendors and sun beds , umbrellas taking up all the sand...was a total eyesore... i dont know why people think the beach was cleaner before..In the odd spot, there was empty beer cans left lying around today, but looked a lot cleaner in my opinion.... i think the beach in Kamala today looks better with less people taking up all the space, i go to the beach to relax in the sun, swim, not listen to noise from jet skis, motor boats, long tail boats, look over my shoulder to see if a jet ski is near bye, which once again i saw far too close to swimmers...Start letting any cowboy back on the beach again and you´ve ruined it for almost everyone...

[DrDave]

Just when I thought that Kata Beach was under control, I see that the parasail boats have crept back into the center beach area today.

Very dangerous situation, with the boats running parallel and close to the shore at relatively high speed in order to drop their customers into shallow water at the end of their ride. One clown at the bow of the boat blowing a whistle and waving his arms to warn all the swimmers to get out of the way, because he was coming through.

I'm afraid this is going to continue until there's a serious accident, at which time the local officials will either say (a) "we didn't know this was going on", or ( "they were told to stay out of that area". Zero enforcement results in zero compliance.

[Old Croc]

Just when I thought that Kata Beach was under control, I see that the parasail boats have crept back into the center beach area today.

Very dangerous situation, with the boats running parallel and close to the shore at relatively high speed in order to drop their customers into shallow water at the end of their ride. One clown at the bow of the boat blowing a whistle and waving his arms to warn all the swimmers to get out of the way, because he was coming through.

I'm afraid this is going to continue until there's a serious accident, at which time the local officials will either say (a) "we didn't know this was going on", or ( "they were told to stay out of that area". Zero enforcement results in zero compliance.

I think the official line is "accidents happen".

[NamKangMan]

Just when I thought that Kata Beach was under control, I see that the parasail boats have crept back into the center beach area today.

Very dangerous situation, with the boats running parallel and close to the shore at relatively high speed in order to drop their customers into shallow water at the end of their ride. One clown at the bow of the boat blowing a whistle and waving his arms to warn all the swimmers to get out of the way, because he was coming through.

I'm afraid this is going to continue until there's a serious accident, at which time the local officials will either say (a) "we didn't know this was going on", or ( "they were told to stay out of that area". Zero enforcement results in zero compliance.

I think the official line is "accidents happen".

"I think the official line is "accidents happen" - and the loss of life accecptable.

[Old Croc]

Just when I thought that Kata Beach was under control, I see that the parasail boats have crept back into the center beach area today.

Very dangerous situation, with the boats running parallel and close to the shore at relatively high speed in order to drop their customers into shallow water at the end of their ride. One clown at the bow of the boat blowing a whistle and waving his arms to warn all the swimmers to get out of the way, because he was coming through.

I'm afraid this is going to continue until there's a serious accident, at which time the local officials will either say (a) "we didn't know this was going on", or ( "they were told to stay out of that area". Zero enforcement results in zero compliance.

I think the official line is "accidents happen".

"I think the official line is "accidents happen" - and the loss of life accecptable.

To repeat my post word for word, but with the addition of your words to alter the meaning. is in breach of TVF rule 16.

16) You will not make changes to quoted material from other members posts, except for purposes of shortening the quoted post. This cannot be done in such a manner that it alters the context of the original post.

Moving my words outside the quote box does not abrogate the intent.

[NamKangMan]

Just when I thought that Kata Beach was under control, I see that the parasail boats have crept back into the center beach area today.

Very dangerous situation, with the boats running parallel and close to the shore at relatively high speed in order to drop their customers into shallow water at the end of their ride. One clown at the bow of the boat blowing a whistle and waving his arms to warn all the swimmers to get out of the way, because he was coming through.

I'm afraid this is going to continue until there's a serious accident, at which time the local officials will either say (a) "we didn't know this was going on", or ( "they were told to stay out of that area". Zero enforcement results in zero compliance.

I think the official line is "accidents happen".

"I think the official line is "accidents happen" - and the loss of life accecptable.

To repeat my post word for word, but with the addition of your words to alter the meaning. is in breach of TVF rule 16.

16) You will not make changes to quoted material from other members posts, except for purposes of shortening the quoted post. This cannot be done in such a manner that it alters the context of the original post.

Moving my words outside the quote box does not abrogate the intent.

Incorrect, Old Croc.

I haven't repeated your post word for word, I have quoted you, which is indicated by my use of the inverted commas.

Everything inside the inverted commas are your words - therefore, I have had to use the inverted commas, to show it was your direct speech, not mine.

Everything outside the inverted commas is my direct speech, which you should feel free to quote, should you so desire.

If I had written - I think the official line is accidents happen, and the loss of life accecptable. - then I would completely agree with you, and it could also be argued that I have plagiarized another's words, but I did not author my post in such a manner.

Below is a definition explaining the use of inverted commas for your information.

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/words/inverted-commas

Now, looking at Forum Rule No. 16. (you will notice I have used inverted commas, because I have not written it - I am quoting it)

"16) You will not make changes to quoted material from other members posts, except for purposes of shortening the quoted post. This cannot be done in such a manner that it alters the context of the original post."

"You will not make changes to quoted material from other members posts" - I did not make changes to your post.

"except for purposes of shortening the quoted post." - I do this quite offen, when I would like to draw attention to only a small part of a long post, however, this is not relevant in this instance, as I have not shortened your post.

"This cannot be done in such a manner that it alters the context of the original post." - have I altered the context of your original post? I would argue I have not, purely based on the fact I have destinguished your words from mine, quite clearly, with th use of inverted commas.

So, it's my contention that I have not breached Forum Rule No. 16, but would draw attention to your post for the breach of Forum Rules No's. 7, 8, 9 and 10.

"7) You will respect fellow members and post in a civil manner. No personal attacks, hateful or insulting towards other members, (flaming) Stalking of members on either the forum or via PM will not be allowed." - it can be argued your post displays some hostility towards me, and is hateful.

"8) You will not post disruptive or inflammatory messages, vulgarities, obscenities or profanities." - by drawing attention to the grammar in my post, you have disrupted this thread.

"9) You will not post inflammatory messages on the forum, or attempt to disrupt discussions to upset its participants, or trolling. Trolling can be defined as the act of purposefully antagonizing other people on the internet by posting controversial, inflammatory, irrelevant or off-topic messages with the primary intent of provoking other users into an emotional response or to generally disrupt normal on-topic discussion." - your post could easily be deemed inflamatory, and designed to incite controversy and to upset me and provoke an emotional response. Your post is also off topic and has disprupted "normal on-topic discussion."

"10) Do not discuss moderation publicly in the open forum; this includes individual actions, and specific or general policies and issues. You may send a PM to a moderator to discuss individual actions or email support (at) thaivisa.com to discuss moderation policy." - as I have been posting this way since becoming a member of Thaivisa it appears you are now challenging moderation, in open forum.

Also, in relation to Forum Netiquette, I believe you have also breached Rule No. 7.

"7. Please do not post off-topic responses in an attempt to hijack the thread. Such posts will be deleted." - your post is clearly off topic.

Frankly, I am appalled that a senior forum member, such as yourself, would post in such a manner, with flagrant disregard for fourm rules and netiquette. which clearly you have, in this instance.

Edited January 12, 2015 by NamKangMan

[schlog]

+1 Phuketrichard... Spoke to a police 'friend' today he said NOW you know why we weren't too bothered with inforcing the laws, we all knew it would be a waste of time and only make enemies when we knew all along they would be allowed back...

So, on the basis of your police friend's comment, Phuket is lawless.

Officials and/or politicians are blatantly allowing the breaching of Thai Law, and the police are either corrupt, incompetent, scared, or all of these combined.

If the Thai military, whilst Thailand is under military rule, can not fix the issues here - who can?

The fixed it. New cashiers are in positions so let the moneysteam run. Easy to understand and no surprise.

[NamKangMan]

+1 Phuketrichard... Spoke to a police 'friend' today he said NOW you know why we weren't too bothered with inforcing the laws, we all knew it would be a waste of time and only make enemies when we knew all along they would be allowed back...

So, on the basis of your police friend's comment, Phuket is lawless.

Officials and/or politicians are blatantly allowing the breaching of Thai Law, and the police are either corrupt, incompetent, scared, or all of these combined.

If the Thai military, whilst Thailand is under military rule, can not fix the issues here - who can?

The fixed it. New cashiers are in positions so let the moneysteam run. Easy to understand and no surprise.

Well, if it's fixed, I haven't seen the lucrative western tourist market heading back to the "new and improved" Phuket, in great numbers, thus, "bringing happiness back to the people."

[Old Croc]

"I think the official line is "accidents happen" - and the loss of life accecptable.

To repeat my post word for word, but with the addition of your words to alter the meaning. is in breach of TVF rule 16.

16) You will not make changes to quoted material from other members posts, except for purposes of shortening the quoted post. This cannot be done in such a manner that it alters the context of the original post.

Moving my words outside the quote box does not abrogate the intent.

Incorrect, Old Croc.

I haven't repeated your post word for word, I have quoted you, which is indicated by my use of the inverted commas.

Everything inside the inverted commas are your words - therefore, I have had to use the inverted commas, to show it was your direct speech, not mine.

Everything outside the inverted commas is my direct speech, which you should feel free to quote, should you so desire.

If I had written - I think the official line is accidents happen, and the loss of life accecptable. - then I would completely agree with you, and it could also be argued that I have plagiarized another's words, but I did not author my post in such a manner.

Below is a definition explaining the use of inverted commas for your information.

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/words/inverted-commas

Now, looking at Forum Rule No. 16. (you will notice I have used inverted commas, because I have not written it - I am quoting it)

"16) You will not make changes to quoted material from other members posts, except for purposes of shortening the quoted post. This cannot be done in such a manner that it alters the context of the original post."

"You will not make changes to quoted material from other members posts" - I did not make changes to your post.

"except for purposes of shortening the quoted post." - I do this quite offen, when I would like to draw attention to only a small part of a long post, however, this is not relevant in this instance, as I have not shortened your post.

"This cannot be done in such a manner that it alters the context of the original post." - have I altered the context of your original post? I would argue I have not, purely based on the fact I have destinguished your words from mine, quite clearly, with th use of inverted commas.

So, it's my contention that I have not breached Forum Rule No. 16, but would draw attention to your post for the breach of Forum Rules No's. 7, 8, 9 and 10.

"7) You will respect fellow members and post in a civil manner. No personal attacks, hateful or insulting towards other members, (flaming) Stalking of members on either the forum or via PM will not be allowed." - it can be argued your post displays some hostility towards me, and is hateful.

"8) You will not post disruptive or inflammatory messages, vulgarities, obscenities or profanities." - by drawing attention to the grammar in my post, you have disrupted this thread.

"9) You will not post inflammatory messages on the forum, or attempt to disrupt discussions to upset its participants, or trolling. Trolling can be defined as the act of purposefully antagonizing other people on the internet by posting controversial, inflammatory, irrelevant or off-topic messages with the primary intent of provoking other users into an emotional response or to generally disrupt normal on-topic discussion." - your post could easily be deemed inflamatory, and designed to incite controversy and to upset me and provoke an emotional response. Your post is also off topic and has disprupted "normal on-topic discussion."

"10) Do not discuss moderation publicly in the open forum; this includes individual actions, and specific or general policies and issues. You may send a PM to a moderator to discuss individual actions or email support (at) thaivisa.com to discuss moderation policy." - as I have been posting this way since becoming a member of Thaivisa it appears you are now challenging moderation, in open forum.

Also, in relation to Forum Netiquette, I believe you have also breached Rule No. 7.

"7. Please do not post off-topic responses in an attempt to hijack the thread. Such posts will be deleted." - your post is clearly off topic.

Frankly, I am appalled that a senior forum member, such as yourself, would post in such a manner, with flagrant disregard for fourm rules and netiquette. which clearly you have, in this instance.

I'm not going to bother to address most of this idiotic dross, but I will talk about changing the meaning of my quoted post and whether it is on-topic or not.

The previous poster highlighted a dangerous situation with boats driving between swimmers.

I was recalling an incident a couple of years ago where a swimmer lost a leg in just such a manner, and the Official from Marine Group 5 dismissed the matter with the words, or similar, "accidents happen." He did not say "and the loss of life acceptable."

For you to change my words to that is unacceptable!

[NamKangMan]

"I think the official line is "accidents happen" - and the loss of life accecptable.

To repeat my post word for word, but with the addition of your words to alter the meaning. is in breach of TVF rule 16.

16) You will not make changes to quoted material from other members posts, except for purposes of shortening the quoted post. This cannot be done in such a manner that it alters the context of the original post.

Moving my words outside the quote box does not abrogate the intent.

Incorrect, Old Croc.

I haven't repeated your post word for word, I have quoted you, which is indicated by my use of the inverted commas.

Everything inside the inverted commas are your words - therefore, I have had to use the inverted commas, to show it was your direct speech, not mine.

Everything outside the inverted commas is my direct speech, which you should feel free to quote, should you so desire.

If I had written - I think the official line is accidents happen, and the loss of life accecptable. - then I would completely agree with you, and it could also be argued that I have plagiarized another's words, but I did not author my post in such a manner.

Below is a definition explaining the use of inverted commas for your information.

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/words/inverted-commas

Now, looking at Forum Rule No. 16. (you will notice I have used inverted commas, because I have not written it - I am quoting it)

"16) You will not make changes to quoted material from other members posts, except for purposes of shortening the quoted post. This cannot be done in such a manner that it alters the context of the original post."

"You will not make changes to quoted material from other members posts" - I did not make changes to your post.

"except for purposes of shortening the quoted post." - I do this quite offen, when I would like to draw attention to only a small part of a long post, however, this is not relevant in this instance, as I have not shortened your post.

"This cannot be done in such a manner that it alters the context of the original post." - have I altered the context of your original post? I would argue I have not, purely based on the fact I have destinguished your words from mine, quite clearly, with th use of inverted commas.

So, it's my contention that I have not breached Forum Rule No. 16, but would draw attention to your post for the breach of Forum Rules No's. 7, 8, 9 and 10.

"7) You will respect fellow members and post in a civil manner. No personal attacks, hateful or insulting towards other members, (flaming) Stalking of members on either the forum or via PM will not be allowed." - it can be argued your post displays some hostility towards me, and is hateful.

"8) You will not post disruptive or inflammatory messages, vulgarities, obscenities or profanities." - by drawing attention to the grammar in my post, you have disrupted this thread.

"9) You will not post inflammatory messages on the forum, or attempt to disrupt discussions to upset its participants, or trolling. Trolling can be defined as the act of purposefully antagonizing other people on the internet by posting controversial, inflammatory, irrelevant or off-topic messages with the primary intent of provoking other users into an emotional response or to generally disrupt normal on-topic discussion." - your post could easily be deemed inflamatory, and designed to incite controversy and to upset me and provoke an emotional response. Your post is also off topic and has disprupted "normal on-topic discussion."

"10) Do not discuss moderation publicly in the open forum; this includes individual actions, and specific or general policies and issues. You may send a PM to a moderator to discuss individual actions or email support (at) thaivisa.com to discuss moderation policy." - as I have been posting this way since becoming a member of Thaivisa it appears you are now challenging moderation, in open forum.

Also, in relation to Forum Netiquette, I believe you have also breached Rule No. 7.

"7. Please do not post off-topic responses in an attempt to hijack the thread. Such posts will be deleted." - your post is clearly off topic.

Frankly, I am appalled that a senior forum member, such as yourself, would post in such a manner, with flagrant disregard for fourm rules and netiquette. which clearly you have, in this instance.

I'm not going to bother to address most of this idiotic dross, but I will talk about changing the meaning of my quoted post and whether it is on-topic or not.

The previous poster highlighted a dangerous situation with boats driving between swimmers.

I was recalling an incident a couple of years ago where a swimmer lost a leg in just such a manner, and the Official from Marine Group 5 dismissed the matter with the words, or similar, "accidents happen." He did not say "and the loss of life acceptable."

For you to change my words to that is unacceptable!

The words in your post were: ""I think the official line is "accidents happen." - at no stage did I change those words.

I agree with the previous poster, it's a dangerous situation, and it's only a matter of time before someone is seriously hurt, or killed, yet again.

Thankyou for the story pointing out the background of your quote. It reminds me of the Thai PM's comment after the Koh Tao murders: “Can they be safe in bikinis... unless they are not beautiful?”

It's unfortunate the Officer from Marine Group 5 has no regard for human life, which I have pointed out in my post. suggesting, "and the loss of life accecptable."

With such a carefree attitude, by those in charge, with the attitude of "accidents happen" - it's obvious that any injury, or death, is "accecptable" to them, thus, my desire to post about this dangerous situation, and the obvious loss of life we will see, in the future.

For me, there is a big difference between being "carefee" ("accidents happen") and "neglect of duty of care" ("loss of life accecptable") - if such a duty of care even exists here.

Old Croc, you do agree it's a dangerous situation, don't you?

Edited January 12, 2015 by NamKangMan

[eezergood]

Yesterday beach full of vendors (South Patong) and jet skis - also the morons that deliver & collect the skis seem to genuinely want to kill the people on the beach. I reported, again, yesterday & no response

[DrDave]

Yesterday beach full of vendors (South Patong) and jet skis - also the morons that deliver & collect the skis seem to genuinely want to kill the people on the beach. I reported, again, yesterday & no response

Yes, I saw something similar at the southern end of Patong Beach a few days ago. Samlor bringing a string of jetskis up from the wet sand area to the road at the end of the day, running at full speed diagonally across the beach, beeping his horn for everyone on the beach to get out of his way.

[eezergood]

Yesterday beach full of vendors (South Patong) and jet skis - also the morons that deliver & collect the skis seem to genuinely want to kill the people on the beach. I reported, again, yesterday & no response

Yes, I saw something similar at the southern end of Patong Beach a few days ago. Samlor bringing a string of jetskis up from the wet sand area to the road at the end of the day, running at full speed diagonally across the beach, beeping his horn for everyone on the beach to get out of his way.

Call & complain - maybe, just maybe something may get done........

I shouldnt care, as we are leaving this place in a few weeks - but I do!

[hansgruber]

Yesterday beach full of vendors (South Patong) and jet skis - also the morons that deliver & collect the skis seem to genuinely want to kill the people on the beach. I reported, again, yesterday & no response

Yes, I saw something similar at the southern end of Patong Beach a few days ago. Samlor bringing a string of jetskis up from the wet sand area to the road at the end of the day, running at full speed diagonally across the beach, beeping his horn for everyone on the beach to get out of his way.

Call & complain - maybe, just maybe something may get done........

I shouldnt care, as we are leaving this place in a few weeks - but I do!

Did the beach problems force you to leave?

Care to share as I've often felt disenchanted sometimes but go for a short break overseas and return appreciating where I live.

[Bogan Koori]

Supply and demand. The punters want to pay for the jetskis and parachutes and the Thais happily provide. The complaints to the local wallopers will fall on deaf ears

[surangw]

Yesterday beach full of vendors (South Patong) and jet skis - also the morons that deliver & collect the skis seem to genuinely want to kill the people on the beach. I reported, again, yesterday & no response

that would make a nice video for youtube. maybe get some notice by any officials that are not controlled by the mafia ( if there are any)

[surangw]

Yesterday beach full of vendors (South Patong) and jet skis - also the morons that deliver & collect the skis seem to genuinely want to kill the people on the beach. I reported, again, yesterday & no response

Yes, I saw something similar at the southern end of Patong Beach a few days ago. Samlor bringing a string of jetskis up from the wet sand area to the road at the end of the day, running at full speed diagonally across the beach, beeping his horn for everyone on the beach to get out of his way.

he was in a hurry to get his ya baaa allotment

[surangw]

Just when I thought that Kata Beach was under control, I see that the parasail boats have crept back into the center beach area today.

Very dangerous situation, with the boats running parallel and close to the shore at relatively high speed in order to drop their customers into shallow water at the end of their ride. One clown at the bow of the boat blowing a whistle and waving his arms to warn all the swimmers to get out of the way, because he was coming through.

I'm afraid this is going to continue until there's a serious accident, at which time the local officials will either say (a) "we didn't know this was going on", or ( "they were told to stay out of that area". Zero enforcement results in zero compliance.

I think the official line is "accidents happen".

"I think the official line is "accidents happen" - and the loss of life accecptable.

theory is ( buddist) the victim should not have been there, it was their choice ( fate)