Swedes rally in support of mosques after arson attacks

[robblok]

Your remark about Muslims doing the bombing in Thailand and killing.. you are right.. but you forget one important thing. They kill other Muslims there too. So how do you explain that if its all aimed at Buddists or if all Muslims are bad.. why then do these Muslims get killed by other Muslims.

Some people are so driven that they do not care if they inflict casualties that are collateral damage.

Sunni and Shia Muslims have been killing each other for over a 1000 years, it is not a new phenomena.

Sweden, along with various other EU Countries have a major problem. That problem is being suppressed. I would take a guess that the thought of admitting to it, does not bear thinking about.

There is a problem for sure but that is different from condemning all Muslims like so many here on this board.

Right now with Muslims coming back from fighting for ISIS you got some violent dangerous people. They should be checked (or deported). I am not against action against Muslims that cause a problem. What I am against is the blanket judgement of all Muslims while in reality most of them just want to live their life.

Someone was talking about Muslim enclaves in other countries. Guys.. take a look at Pattaya and Phuket and other tourist area's you could call that farang enclaves. They don't all speak Thai there (often heard comment that Muslims don't speak the language of the country they live in while most foreigners probably speak less Thai as the average Muslim speaks the national language in their home country). When its voting time for Thais they can't drink and all of a sudden all the farangs try to break this.. talk about breaking the law in a country. We act just like the Muslims or any group for that matter that immigrates and flocks together.

Just go through the history of the USA and its immigrants.. little Italy, Chinatown... and all of a sudden Muslims are strange and bad when they do the same thing.

Just separate bad Muslims from those that want to live their own life in peace.

[JockPieandBeans]

Just separate bad Muslims from those that want to live their own life in peace.

That would be easy.

That would be called integration and denouncing the " Bad " Muslims by the " Good " Muslims.

Now tell me where that happens in Sweden and across Europe ?

[robblok]

Just separate bad Muslims from those that want to live their own life in peace.

That would be easy.

That would be called integration and denouncing the " Bad " Muslims by the " Good " Muslims.

Now tell me where that happens in Sweden and across Europe ?

Now tell me where you are protesting and denouncing the BAD farangs in Thailand.. you don't .. why because you don't feel responsible for those and just want to lead your life.

[JockPieandBeans]

Just separate bad Muslims from those that want to live their own life in peace.

That would be easy.

That would be called integration and denouncing the " Bad " Muslims by the " Good " Muslims.

Now tell me where that happens in Sweden and across Europe ?

Now tell me where you are protesting and denouncing the BAD farangs in Thailand.. you don't .. why because you don't feel responsible for those and just want to lead your life.

I personally do not know any bad farangs in Thailand, that is why I do not protest or denounce them.

The ones I do know have integrated fairly well into the Thai way of life.

I had the decency to answer.

Now you try the same.

[robblok]

Just separate bad Muslims from those that want to live their own life in peace.

That would be easy.

That would be called integration and denouncing the " Bad " Muslims by the " Good " Muslims.

Now tell me where that happens in Sweden and across Europe ?

Now tell me where you are protesting and denouncing the BAD farangs in Thailand.. you don't .. why because you don't feel responsible for those and just want to lead your life.

I personally do not know any bad farangs in Thailand, that is why I do not protest or denounce them.

The ones I do know have integrated fairly well into the Thai way of life.

I had the decency to answer.

Now you try the same.

Those Muslims also don't know the bad ones, that is the whole point im trying to make. They don't know them personally and they don't want to meet them.

Ill give you an other example.. you might get it or not in the Netherlands and Uk we have / had football hooligans.. they did a lot of damage. I have yet to see normal soccer fans denounce them. Why.. because they are not the same group. Same as you and me and bad farangs.

You just group all the Muslims together and say only way to be good is denounce the bad ones that you don't know. Give them the same chance you give yourself by saying I don't know them and or am not connected to them so I don't have to denounce them.

[konying]

"Muslim community leaders addressed the gathering preaching tolerance." Meanwhile, their friends around the world behead infidels and stone women to death.

Really? All friends are they? Infidels getting beheaded in all countries around the world where there are muslims ? And women get stoned to death in all countries where there are muslims? You must in the lead for the prize for making the dumbest comment yet. Why don't you be honest and just write "I hate muslims and I am quite happy to write complete, misleading crap, and that feeds the current "Let's not let the truth get in the way, let's all just hate muslims!"

Did he say ALL??

Seems your comment would be the dumber one yet

[zydeco]

Your remark about Muslims doing the bombing in Thailand and killing.. you are right.. but you forget one important thing. They kill other Muslims there too. So how do you explain that if its all aimed at Buddists or if all Muslims are bad.. why then do these Muslims get killed by other Muslims.

Some people are so driven that they do not care if they inflict casualties that are collateral damage.

Sunni and Shia Muslims have been killing each other for over a 1000 years, it is not a new phenomena.

Sweden, along with various other EU Countries have a major problem. That problem is being suppressed. I would take a guess that the thought of admitting to it, does not bear thinking about.

There is a problem for sure but that is different from condemning all Muslims like so many here on this board.

Right now with Muslims coming back from fighting for ISIS you got some violent dangerous people. They should be checked (or deported). I am not against action against Muslims that cause a problem. What I am against is the blanket judgement of all Muslims while in reality most of them just want to live their life.

Someone was talking about Muslim enclaves in other countries. Guys.. take a look at Pattaya and Phuket and other tourist area's you could call that farang enclaves. They don't all speak Thai there (often heard comment that Muslims don't speak the language of the country they live in while most foreigners probably speak less Thai as the average Muslim speaks the national language in their home country). When its voting time for Thais they can't drink and all of a sudden all the farangs try to break this.. talk about breaking the law in a country. We act just like the Muslims or any group for that matter that immigrates and flocks together.

Just go through the history of the USA and its immigrants.. little Italy, Chinatown... and all of a sudden Muslims are strange and bad when they do the same thing.

Just separate bad Muslims from those that want to live their own life in peace.

rob, you simply aren't paying attention to what has been posted. Frankly, those comparisons to farangs in Thailand with Muslims in Europe and the US are just plain silly. Again, I ask you, where are the mobs of rampaging farangs attacking Thais because their Wat offends the farang, or they don't like their clothes, or the way the drink, or the way they prepare food? Where have Westerners forced Thais to change anything in Thailand to fit the desires of Westerners? I haven't seen any Farang Anti-Discrimination Committees out protesting against anything--not even the cheese tax.

[KamalaRider]

I, too, have criticized much of the knee-jerk unthinking criticism of Thailand that appears on TVF. But the often time crude remarks we see here are as nothing when compared to taking over parts of a city and instituting your own laws on a de facto basis. In your own Netherlands it is unsafe to criticize Muslims--you can be killed for it. I don't know anywhere in Thailand that Thais are unsafe because of rampaging farangs. There is of course one place in Thailand where bombings, murder, and assassination are a common occurrence. But that is in Thailand's far south and the element doing the terrorism is a Muslim one.

How is it unsafe to criticize Muslims in the Netherlands ? I know of only 1 guy who died because of it and they got the person who did it. It happened before I even left for Thailand (if i still remember correctly) That is not too bad that is 1 incident in more then 10 years.

Your remark about Muslims doing the bombing in Thailand and killing.. you are right.. but you forget one important thing. They kill other Muslims there too. So how do you explain that if its all aimed at Buddists or if all Muslims are bad.. why then do these Muslims get killed by other Muslims.

Collateral damage?

[ABCer]

Is it not ironic that we are discussing Muslim victim hood in Sweden when recently the police in Malmö had to close off some roads to prevent attacks on police stations by Muslims. Still I'm sure the politically correct Swedish police will investigate the Islamophobic attacks whilst aiding and abetting their leaders in their policy of national suicide.

http://10news.dk/malmo-sweden-after-36-bombs-in-2014-and-several-attacks-on-police-stations-streets-are-cordoned-off-to-protect-police-station-against-bombings/

About 25% of Malmo is now Muslim, this is the sort of action that takes place when their numbers increase, parts of Malmo are no go areas and an Islamic law unto themselves.

1) This information should be addressed to Swedish Gov't.

2) Be careful not to be prosecuted for inappropriate way of thinking (if you are a Swede).

3) Looking back at 2) I am abhorred at what happened to 'Democratic' Sweden.

[H1w4yR1da]

Someone was talking about Muslim enclaves in other countries. Guys.. take a look at Pattaya and Phuket and other tourist area's you could call that farang enclaves. They don't all speak Thai there (often heard comment that Muslims don't speak the language of the country they live in while most foreigners probably speak less Thai as the average Muslim speaks the national language in their home country). When its voting time for Thais they can't drink and all of a sudden all the farangs try to break this.. talk about breaking the law in a country. We act just like the Muslims or any group for that matter that immigrates and flocks together.

What rubbish. Ridiculous comparison.

The Muslims in European countries are mostly citizens of those countries and can vote, collect welfare, use the NHS and live inder the full protection of the law, unlike tourists or expats as in Pattaya or Phuket.

And the last time I looked, westerners in those 2 places don't carry out religious patrols, cut the heads off soldiers, bomb public transport, rape hundreds of underage girls, insult the monarchy & vandalise war memorials and burn items that commemorate fallen soldiers.

[H1w4yR1da]

Those Muslims also don't know the bad ones, that is the whole point im trying to make.

Actually, they do.

When the reporter who compiled the original report into the rapes of hundreds of children in Rotherham went to the Muslim community and it's leaders with her findings, she was rebuffed and ignored.

To say Muslims don't know what's happening in their own communities is plainly ridiculous.

Edited January 4, 2015 by H1w4yR1da

[Sirpia]

HOW MANY church are there in Muslim countries?

Quite a few.

Here's a list of the oldest ones in Indonesia, the largest Islamic population on Earth:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_church_buildings_in_Indonesia#Oldest_churches_in_Indonesia

And a list of Christian Churches in Pakistan, home to about 200,000,000 muslims.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_churches_in_Pakistan

Hope that helps you a little bit.

Edited January 4, 2015 by Sirpia

[JockPieandBeans]

You just group all the Muslims together and say only way to be good is denounce the bad ones that you don't know. Give them the same chance you give yourself by saying I don't know them and or am not connected to them so I don't have to denounce them.

No. I am not grouping all Muslims together. I am saying that in European Countries, the majority of Muslims have created Muslim enclaves. If you think that they do not know what is going on those communities, you are deluded.

As an example.

Catholic community in parts of N.Ireland. A small percentage were active terrorists. A larger percentage were " Sympathisers ". Most knew what was going on, when and where. A method of reducing collateral damage.

Loyalist communities exactly the same.

It is absolute folly to suggest that the Muslim communities are any different. The same would go for any other minority community that was engaging in lets say, nefarious activities.

As for your assumption that there are bad farangs in Pattaya and Phuket. I will take your word for it. I have been to neither and have no intention of ever going to them either.

[robblok]

You just group all the Muslims together and say only way to be good is denounce the bad ones that you don't know. Give them the same chance you give yourself by saying I don't know them and or am not connected to them so I don't have to denounce them.

No. I am not grouping all Muslims together. I am saying that in European Countries, the majority of Muslims have created Muslim enclaves. If you think that they do not know what is going on those communities, you are deluded.

As an example.

Catholic community in parts of N.Ireland. A small percentage were active terrorists. A larger percentage were " Sympathisers ". Most knew what was going on, when and where. A method of reducing collateral damage.

Loyalist communities exactly the same.

It is absolute folly to suggest that the Muslim communities are any different. The same would go for any other minority community that was engaging in lets say, nefarious activities.

As for your assumption that there are bad farangs in Pattaya and Phuket. I will take your word for it. I have been to neither and have no intention of ever going to them either.

No I don't think Muslims are different, there will be a small percentage of active terrorists, then you got sympathizers. Do you think that 100% of the Catholics who lived there agreed with the violence. ? I doubt it I really doubt it. I think a larger part just wanted it all to be over. I think its the same goes for Muslims. I doubt that it was even over 50% that supported the violence (Catholics or loyalist)

Your example is a real good one for sure, so that is my point holding 100% responsible for the actions of a minority.

Your post is great, finally someone coming with facts and reason.

Edited January 4, 2015 by robblok

[Steely Dan]

Sweden is a copybook example of how social democracy can destroy itself. Sweden was scheduled to vote in March over the issue of whether current immigration levels should be maintained or not, by way of background Sweden has more immigrants than any other European nation not only by proportion but incredibly also in absolute terms. The vote was abandoned due to a shoddy coalition of the seven main parties to exclude the one party who want to reduce immigration. This is in essence a coup by progressive ideologues. Google Blind Sweden if you want a blow by blow account of how to ruin your Country.

http://gatesofvienna.net/2015/01/ostersund-worse-than-war-ravaged-syria/

[JockPieandBeans]

I doubt that it was even over 50% that supported the violence (Catholics or loyalist)

Robblok.

If 50% of Muslims in Europe supports what is going on. That is a frightening number compared to the entire population of N.Ireland.

The following quote is taken directly from a pro Muslim website. I would ask you to read that website. educate yourself and then come to your own conclusions.

(25 countries in the European Union which alone have 21 official languages) identify themselves as Muslims. The U.N. estimates Europe will be 55% Muslim by 2040.

http://www.30-days.net/muslims/statistics/about-europe/

The only other thing I will say on the matter. There is very little chance of me returning to Europe and I will probably already be dead by 2040.

[JockPieandBeans]

Sweden is a copybook example of how social democracy can destroy itself. Sweden was scheduled to vote in March over the issue of whether current immigration levels should be maintained or not, by way of background Sweden has more immigrants than any other European nation not only by proportion but incredibly also in absolute terms. The vote was abandoned due to a shoddy coalition of the seven main parties to exclude the one party who want to reduce immigration. This is in essence a coup by progressive ideologues. Google Blind Sweden if you want a blow by blow account of how to ruin your Country.

http://gatesofvienna.net/2015/01/ostersund-worse-than-war-ravaged-syria/

Steely,

It is not only Sweden that is blind.

Actually, I am a firm believer that it is nothing to do with being blind. I believe that it is suppression because to accept the truth is to have to deal with a problem, that they have no idea how to deal with.

It would also be an admission, that the multiculturalism that has been rammed down the public's throat for the last 2 decades has been an abject failure.

[harryfrompattaya]

No, this was a Muslim rally, just look the pictures.

My question is only:

HOW MANY church are there in Muslim countries?

Uuppsss ....

They are the most most pushy and violent people.

Why don't they go home simply instead of any rally ???

Do worry soon when the Muslims take over Sweden their will be no Churches in Sweden

[chuckd]

HOW MANY church are there in Muslim countries?

Quite a few.

Here's a list of the oldest ones in Indonesia, the largest Islamic population on Earth:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_church_buildings_in_Indonesia#Oldest_churches_in_Indonesia

And a list of Christian Churches in Pakistan, home to about 200,000,000 muslims.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_churches_in_Pakistan

Hope that helps you a little bit.

and not a single, solitary one in Saudi Arabia.

Back in the early 80's I was working on a contract located between Jeddah and Aqaba, Jordan, on the Red Sea.

One Friday morning, a group of Seventh Day Adventists decided to hold a Baptism ceremony in the Red Sea. It was discovered and they were all kicked out of the country within 48 hours.

Not a lot of tolerance over there.

[Sirpia]

The Daily Mail readers are here I see.

[H1w4yR1da]

The Daily Mail readers are here I see.

[robblok]

I doubt that it was even over 50% that supported the violence (Catholics or loyalist)

Robblok.

If 50% of Muslims in Europe supports what is going on. That is a frightening number compared to the entire population of N.Ireland.

The following quote is taken directly from a pro Muslim website. I would ask you to read that website. educate yourself and then come to your own conclusions.

(25 countries in the European Union which alone have 21 official languages) identify themselves as Muslims. The U.N. estimates Europe will be 55% Muslim by 2040.

http://www.30-days.net/muslims/statistics/about-europe/

The only other thing I will say on the matter. There is very little chance of me returning to Europe and I will probably already be dead by 2040.

I don't think 50% is supporting it, i read numbers of 25% for Ira supporters (not actively helping). Now that was a warzone with bombings on both sides. So its bound to be higher there plus people would get killed by their own if they did not obey IRA. So i think the amount of muslims would be far below 25%.

I wonder how many of the posters here have actually had interactions with normal Muslims while they lived in their country. I know I have and the ones with a job were no different from you or I (especially the Turks). I worked with quite a few and none of them wanted Sharia or a war in Europe. They just wanted a promotion at work or a second car a nicer home. Just the same as everyone else.

I really wonder how many have worked with Muslims and how many people are just older posters who fear everything that isn't white skinned.

Now the other kind the young street criminals.. that is a different story. They should lock those up and throw away the key.. but the same goes for non Muslim street criminals. Groups of young people be they Muslim or white will always intimidate others. Just watch how safe you are with a group of drunk obnoxious white youths.

[monkeycountry]

Considering the disastrous political situation in Sweden, it is no wonder Swedes start taking things into their own hands. This will get a lot worse in the next few years.

Oh and comparing farang immigrants in Thailand with muslim immigrants in Sweden is ridiculous. Farang immigrants in Thailand can only stay if they can support themselves financially and usually get kicked out if they commit crime.

[super22k]

This is an old trick. The moslems demand more mosques then try to make it look like the local population is doing the demanding.

I agree about the "politicaly correct" brigade. They are evil.

[Sirpia]

Oh and comparing farang immigrants in Thailand with muslim immigrants in Sweden is ridiculous. Farang immigrants in Thailand can only stay if they can support themselves financially and usually get kicked out if they commit crime.

Uh-huh.

British paedophile arrested in Thailand for 6th time.

[katana]

How is it unsafe to criticize Muslims in the Netherlands ? I know of only 1 guy who died because of it and they got the person who did it. It happened before I even left for Thailand (if i still remember correctly) That is not too bad that is 1 incident in more then 10 years.

Your remark about Muslims doing the bombing in Thailand and killing.. you are right.. but you forget one important thing. They kill other Muslims there too. So how do you explain that if its all aimed at Buddists or if all Muslims are bad.. why then do these Muslims get killed by other Muslims.

Dutch politician Geert Wilders who openly criticizes Islam has to live under constant police protection in Holland due to death threats from Muslims.

Dutch film maker Theo van Gogh, who made a controversial film about Islamic culture, was assassinated in Amsterdam in 2004 by a Muslim.

Ayaan Hirsi Ali has been under police protection since the above film was aired, for her part in the film and her criticism of the treatment of women in Islamic culture.

Pat condell's views on Sweden:

[simple1]

I doubt that it was even over 50% that supported the violence (Catholics or loyalist)

Robblok.

If 50% of Muslims in Europe supports what is going on. That is a frightening number compared to the entire population of N.Ireland.

The following quote is taken directly from a pro Muslim website. I would ask you to read that website. educate yourself and then come to your own conclusions.

(25 countries in the European Union which alone have 21 official languages) identify themselves as Muslims. The U.N. estimates Europe will be 55% Muslim by 2040.

http://www.30-days.net/muslims/statistics/about-europe/

The only other thing I will say on the matter. There is very little chance of me returning to Europe and I will probably already be dead by 2040.

The wording is 5% of the EU countries identify themselves as Muslim; that statement in itself is erroneous. The relevant European countries, from your link, with a relatively large Muslim population are listed below. It is accurate to state not one are currently a member country of the EU.

Albania

Kosovo

Bosnia and Herzegovina

Macedonia

Montenegro

The only countries that would identify themselves as Muslim would be Kosovo & Albania, that in anycase are secular.

I do not believe the claim the UN has stated Europe will have a total population of 55% identying themselves as Muslim by 2040 - where is the link to the UN agency report?

Edited January 4, 2015 by simple1

[Steely Dan]

Sweden is a copybook example of how social democracy can destroy itself. Sweden was scheduled to vote in March over the issue of whether current immigration levels should be maintained or not, by way of background Sweden has more immigrants than any other European nation not only by proportion but incredibly also in absolute terms. The vote was abandoned due to a shoddy coalition of the seven main parties to exclude the one party who want to reduce immigration. This is in essence a coup by progressive ideologues. Google Blind Sweden if you want a blow by blow account of how to ruin your Country.

http://gatesofvienna.net/2015/01/ostersund-worse-than-war-ravaged-syria/

Steely,

It is not only Sweden that is blind.

Actually, I am a firm believer that it is nothing to do with being blind. I believe that it is suppression because to accept the truth is to have to deal with a problem, that they have no idea how to deal with.

It would also be an admission, that the multiculturalism that has been rammed down the public's throat for the last 2 decades has been an abject failure.

Indeed, there are no longer any liberal solutions. The choice is allow the world to descend into a state of perpetual war like the Balkans, or surrender to a society run by Sharia, which makes the old Soviet Union look like a holiday camp. Off the top of my head here is what needs to happen.

1. Stop all Muslim immigration

2. Revoke citizenship and deport all first generation immigrants who find themselves in prison. Muslims are hugely over represented in the prison population.

3. Close down any Mosque preaching extremist doctrine, which is about half in the UK.

4. Ban all Islamic scripture that calls for violence, Russia made a first step doing this recently.

5. Set up compulsory citizenship education for all immigrants.

6. Enforce a western compatible school of Islamic jurisprudence until such time as the middle eastern ones emerge from the 7th century. Anyone practicing Islam outside these bounds should be deported.

There, it will never happen till the likes of the PVV in Holland or their equivalents in other European nations are elected, by then it may be too late.

[monkeycountry]

Oh and comparing farang immigrants in Thailand with muslim immigrants in Sweden is ridiculous. Farang immigrants in Thailand can only stay if they can support themselves financially and usually get kicked out if they commit crime.

Uh-huh.

British paedophile arrested in Thailand for 6th time.

Hence the word "usually".

After reading the link I notice that he has been arrested several times but charges have been dropped or cases are ongoing, therefore as far as the law is concerned he is not yet a criminal. Maybe I should have specified "convicted criminals", but I assumed that was obvious.

Edited January 5, 2015 by monkeycountry

[Mosha]

HOW MANY church are there in Muslim countries?

Quite a few.

Here's a list of the oldest ones in Indonesia, the largest Islamic population on Earth:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_church_buildings_in_Indonesia#Oldest_churches_in_Indonesia

And a list of Christian Churches in Pakistan, home to about 200,000,000 muslims.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_churches_in_Pakistan

Hope that helps you a little bit.

We know how safe the Pakistani muslims are don't we.