lack of passion

[Toknarok]

The answer is,of course, to employ Burmese or Cambodians. They're usually desperate for a job and are willing to work for lower wages.

[krisb]

Crazychef needs to get a bit more crazy at them if he's paying them. Start running the kitchen like Gordon Ramsey.

If these slackers aren't paid by you it's not your problem.

Me I don't have the patience to train anyone. Only hire good workers and after 2 days I know if they are any good or gone.

[krisb]

The answer is,of course, to employ Burmese or Cambodians. They're usually desperate for a job and are willing to work for lower wages.

I hate that attitude.

Employing someone for under award wage by exploiting their nationality is a terrible thing to do.

[h90]

The answer is,of course, to employ Burmese or Cambodians. They're usually desperate for a job and are willing to work for lower wages.

I hate that attitude.

Employing someone for under award wage by exploiting their nationality is a terrible thing to do.

So you think better don't employ them. Don't give them a chance to get better in their life?

[h90]

as their boss and trainer, you have just admitted your inability to motivate the peope under you.As your boss I would start by firing you and getting someone who can do the job I'm paying them for.

As the boss you have hired him.. you should take responsibility and fire yourself.

*you made a stupid remark now think again*

You can't motivate everyone and he is not responsible for the hiring.

may MR Jaydee read the OP again and i will give him some help...

...my kitchen and F&B trainees are now sorted because i keep them constantly busy(and they hate it) but i would like to contribute at least a little to their future in regards of work ethics.

...and as stated in the same OP i am NOT talking about full time employees i am talking about TRAINEES...

may it helps...

and you seem unable to impart that motivation. have you considered another line of work?

some people can't be motivated....

[AYJAYDEE]

some people can't be motivated....

then fire them

[h90]

Unfortunately this is endemic among the young of all nations today. Causes one to wonder what the future of our society will look like 10-20 years from now. Seems the young are handed too much by families and society today without having to earn any of it. This creates an entitlement mindset that is very destructive to society.

All I can say is that I do not envy you having to find employees in today's workplace. I think you are better off hiring older employees and forget about the lazy louts. Good luck!

They'll grow out of it. The same is said about the young generation till 3000 years.....

[Crazy chef 1]

some people can't be motivated....

then fire them

as expected- no clue about Thai labor law...

[AYJAYDEE]

some people can't be motivated....

then fire them

as expected- no clue about Thai labor law...

lol! if you havent figured out how to force an unwanted employee to leave yet, you got a lot to learn

[Lucifer]

"at first i have to admit this problem is not solely restricted to Thailand because as my colleagues over sea told me it has began there as well.

currently i have a few trainees. three in my kitchen,two in F&B,two in housekeeping and one in finance.

in my entire life i haven't seen such a bunch of unmotivated and lazy youngsters.it seems their only interest is hanging around,chatting and the occasional meal in between.there is no desire to gain more or rather new knowledge, no passion and no fire. yesterday i went to the main office and the finance chap slept at his desk-is this normal nowadays? and what is even worst none of our Thai senior staff says anything they can do as they please.

if you start your professional life in this way how will it end? there is no discipline.

my kitchen and F&B trainees are now sorted because i keep them constantly busy(and they hate it) but i would like to contribute at least a little to their future in regards of work ethics.

the worst thing happened last year. one of my short term trainees finished her internship and i had to evaluate her. she was a lazy little bugger though i gave her a pretty low score.15 min later i got called to HR and our DHR instructed me to change the evaluation though that the girl will pass-ain't gonna happen i replied.if you wanna fake a appraisal do it by yourself and i walked out.

how can there be any progress in this country with this nonsense no failure policy???

sorry had to get off my chest.

your thoughts and no Thai bashing-(constructive)bashing towards the youngsters nowadays is ok..."

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Thai bashing, but I don't want you to...

So, why is it that the Thai's are doing so well compared to other country's in this area. Namely, but not only, Cambodia, Lao, Vietnam, Malaysia....?

[krisb]

The answer is,of course, to employ Burmese or Cambodians. They're usually desperate for a job and are willing to work for lower wages.

I hate that attitude.

Employing someone for under award wage by exploiting their nationality is a terrible thing to do.

So you think better don't employ them. Don't give them a chance to get better in their life?

Not by exploitation no.

Taking advantage of someone like that is wrong.

You don't see it that way?

[h90]

The answer is,of course, to employ Burmese or Cambodians. They're usually desperate for a job and are willing to work for lower wages.

I hate that attitude.

Employing someone for under award wage by exploiting their nationality is a terrible thing to do.

So you think better don't employ them. Don't give them a chance to get better in their life?

Not by exploitation no.

Taking advantage of someone like that is wrong.

You don't see it that way?

OK, you mean to let them starve, because giving them a low paid job would be wrong.

Giving them a high paid job isn't an option because I could get a better skilled (alone the language) Thai instead.

[Crazy chef 1]

The answer is,of course, to employ Burmese or Cambodians. They're usually desperate for a job and are willing to work for lower wages.

I hate that attitude.

Employing someone for under award wage by exploiting their nationality is a terrible thing to do.

So you think better don't employ them. Don't give them a chance to get better in their life?

Not by exploitation no.

Taking advantage of someone like that is wrong.

You don't see it that way?

pay'em at least minimum wage and it is no problem at all

[h90]

some people can't be motivated....

then fire them

as expected- no clue about Thai labor law...

I think there is a testing period...After it you can get rid of them. Better would be to give them the complete salary of it and send them home now.

We needed 10 years of hire and fire till we got reasonable staff and the good one are now getting 30-40.000 per month. They started with 8000.

[AYJAYDEE]

OK, you mean to let them starve, because giving them a low paid job would be wrong.

Giving them a high paid job isn't an option because I could get a better skilled (alone the language) Thai instead.

ill take a motivated employee with less skill over a skilled lazy one any day.

[krisb]

The answer is,of course, to employ Burmese or Cambodians. They're usually desperate for a job and are willing to work for lower wages.

I hate that attitude.

Employing someone for under award wage by exploiting their nationality is a terrible thing to do.

So you think better don't employ them. Don't give them a chance to get better in their life?

Not by exploitation no.

Taking advantage of someone like that is wrong.

You don't see it that way?

OK, you mean to let them starve, because giving them a low paid job would be wrong.

Giving them a high paid job isn't an option because I could get a better skilled (alone the language) Thai instead.

Like Crazychef said, at least the minimum wage. If you planned on employing don't abuse them by underpaying. Have some morals.

You're trying a guilt trip on me with the starving bit.

[h90]

OK, you mean to let them starve, because giving them a low paid job would be wrong.

Giving them a high paid job isn't an option because I could get a better skilled (alone the language) Thai instead.

ill take a motivated employee with less skill over a skilled lazy one any day.

sure thing. But you don't know the motivation before. You may end with a less skilled lazy one.

Just saw a group of labor from Myanmar who sleep half the working time, when the boss isn't watching. So it is not Thai=lazy, Myanmar=motivated.

There are everywhere lazy and active people.

These from Myanmar were so lack of knowledge that even my wife noticed it (and she isn't the specialist in construction). (But they were a lot more friendly)

[AYJAYDEE]

OK, you mean to let them starve, because giving them a low paid job would be wrong.

Giving them a high paid job isn't an option because I could get a better skilled (alone the language) Thai instead.

ill take a motivated employee with less skill over a skilled lazy one any day.

sure thing. But you don't know the motivation before. You may end with a less skilled lazy one.

Just saw a group of labor from Myanmar who sleep half the working time, when the boss isn't watching. So it is not Thai=lazy, Myanmar=motivated.

There are everywhere lazy and active people.

These from Myanmar were so lack of knowledge that even my wife noticed it (and she isn't the specialist in construction). (But they were a lot more friendly)

not for long

[slapout]

Not knowing the working of the op's company, nor its HR group, i am inclined to question the selection process of new employees by the HR people.

Labor is best interviewed, hired, and trained by those who will be directly involved in all 3 processes. HR should be used as the final check as to background check, family. residense verification, etc. If college graduates are part of your workforce, then HR would be involved in recruitment, verification of resume, pay scale, etc. This can be where a real breakdown in job description, expections of immediate boss/es etc happens.. (experience speaking)

HR must listen to what middle management wants in new hires, their past job work hours, physical/mental work expected, etc and actively recruit what is needed/required by those who are tasked with meeting company goals.

Just some thoughts from someone not familar with the op's/company situation to make real knowledgable suggestions/solutions.

[krisb]

OK, you mean to let them starve, because giving them a low paid job would be wrong.

Giving them a high paid job isn't an option because I could get a better skilled (alone the language) Thai instead.

ill take a motivated employee with less skill over a skilled lazy one any day.

I'd take neither. But like I said I don't have patience training anyone.

Good workers are hard to find. Look after them when you get them.

[stat088]

I have dealt with this type of thing for the last 16 years. I keep having to remind myself these people are working for peanuts.

We do yearly appraisals. How well they perform will determine how much they will get in their yearly salary increase. This works well for most of the staff.

[h90]

I have dealt with this type of thing for the last 16 years. I keep having to remind myself these people are working for peanuts.

We do yearly appraisals. How well they perform will determine how much they will get in their yearly salary increase. This works well for most of the staff.

Well they get peanuts, because there output is low. If you need 3 Thais for what 1 German can do, it is logic that they must earn much less.

On the other hand we pay these who work well very good, because we are afraid that they go away. With low unemployment rate the good working people all have a good jobs and you mostly only hire people who got already fired in the last 10 jobs.

[neverdie]

It doesn't surprise me that CC has noticed this.

These days it's hard (not impossible) to find chefs that Cook with their hearts, go here, go there, so much nasty food cooked completely without passion or effort.

We find ourselves eating in for this one reason . At least we know the food is delicious and clean when we eat at home.

[AYJAYDEE]

I have dealt with this type of thing for the last 16 years. I keep having to remind myself these people are working for peanuts.

We do yearly appraisals. How well they perform will determine how much they will get in their yearly salary increase. This works well for most of the staff.

Well they get peanuts, because there output is low. If you need 3 Thais for what 1 German can do, it is logic that they must earn much less.

On the other hand we pay these who work well very good, because we are afraid that they go away. With low unemployment rate the good working people all have a good jobs and you mostly only hire people who got already fired in the last 10 jobs.

if you in fact paid better than the other outfits, youd get the employees.

[alantheembalmer]

Now that I have retired, I can loudly declare:

The country's gone to the dogs; somebody ought to do something about it!

[sipi]

The unmotivated "dumb-look" from a customer-service representative is universal, and not confined to hospitality or Thailand. I have had the same "look" buying clothes , ordering car parts, booking a ticket ..... overseas.

Is it a part of their training modules?

[peptidebomber]

I like it, since moving here my work ethic has disappeared, turn up late hungover, leave early. Don't do much in between. My staff love me as I never get on their backs about anything, only have one Thai boss who is never about. Somehow we still make a profit so head office don't bother us. Expat wage so most nights are a blast, probably taking a few years off the end of my life but who cares.

This country rocks!!

[h90]

I have dealt with this type of thing for the last 16 years. I keep having to remind myself these people are working for peanuts.

We do yearly appraisals. How well they perform will determine how much they will get in their yearly salary increase. This works well for most of the staff.

Well they get peanuts, because there output is low. If you need 3 Thais for what 1 German can do, it is logic that they must earn much less.

On the other hand we pay these who work well very good, because we are afraid that they go away. With low unemployment rate the good working people all have a good jobs and you mostly only hire people who got already fired in the last 10 jobs.

if you in fact paid better than the other outfits, youd get the employees.

You get some but you don't know if they are good, and if you pay too much at some point you won't get customer anymore as you get too expensive.

[Crazy chef 1]

I like it, since moving here my work ethic has disappeared, turn up late hungover, leave early. Don't do much in between. My staff love me as I never get on their backs about anything, only have one Thai boss who is never about. Somehow we still make a profit so head office don't bother us. Expat wage so most nights are a blast, probably taking a few years off the end of my life but who cares.

This country rocks!!

exactly what i am talking about...lack of passion....but each to their own

[willyumiii]

I see this problem in Thailand a lot.

Employees who do not do their job.

Employees shirking their responsibilities and others increasing their work load to cover for them.

Employees who sleep on the job.

Employees who spend all day playing games and watching videos on the computer.

Even sexual misconduct on the job.

Everyone is aware, but never say a word about it.

It is not the Thai way to say anything negative about anyone else.

Supervision is virtually non existent, and do not want to know about problems.

As a result, you have a highly unmotivated, unproductive work force.

Edited January 15, 2015 by willyumiii