What's the current demand for new teachers?

[wondercul]

What's the current demand for newly qualified English teachers with a 1 month english teaching qualification?

Please share your experience on all and any part of Thailand (or indeed other countries).

[SlyAnimal]

Qualified as in you also have a bachelor degree in a subject?

Or do you mean with just a TESOL/CELTA certificate?

As the demand differs between the two. As generally rural schools always have a high demand, and aren't as fussy when it comes to qualifications, whereas urban schools (Particularly urban areas with high concentrations of NES) can be a bit more picky regarding experience, qualifications and the other characteristics which schools like (e.g. young, attractive, clear speech & easy going personality etc).

Also do you mean specifically right now? or just in general?

As it's almost the end of the academic year, and so at present, there'd be very little demand, but the new academic year starts in mid-May, so demand will spike back up just before then. Although if you just mean demand in general, in comparison to a few years ago or similar, then others can perhaps comment who have been looking in the job market over the past 6-12 months.

[gp2002]

Huge demand if you want to be paid peanuts AND be treated poorly.

[aidenai]

Have a look on the several websites that advert jobs.

ajarnjobspace.com

ajarn.com

esljobfeed.com

[anon022]

Since most have left since the purge, there should be a higher demand than a year ago, if not much higher.

[Scott]

I know the administration of some of the schools is looking at ways of cutting down on the number of foreign teachers used in schools. This is especially true of Western teachers. Some schools are starting to use Native speakers only for English language instruction and to increasingly use Filipinos for other subjects (especially in Bilingual and mini-English type programs).

Filipino teachers are increasingly being used for homeroom teachers for KG level programs.

I am guessing that the need for Western native speakers is fairly high. We recently had the administration allow us to hire two native speakers for whom we had no position, something that it the past was unheard of. The Admin would never allow for such an expense unless they were in short supply.

[garrya]

No matter who you are or what you have done. You need a passport from a native English speaking country. Period.

Walk into a few schools or agencies and the job is guaranteed.

[mogo51]

I know the administration of some of the schools is looking at ways of cutting down on the number of foreign teachers used in schools. This is especially true of Western teachers. Some schools are starting to use Native speakers only for English language instruction and to increasingly use Filipinos for other subjects (especially in Bilingual and mini-English type programs).

Filipino teachers are increasingly being used for homeroom teachers for KG level programs.

I am guessing that the need for Western native speakers is fairly high. We recently had the administration allow us to hire two native speakers for whom we had no position, something that it the past was unheard of. The Admin would never allow for such an expense unless they were in short supply.

I was surprised at your post, I have a Filipino gf who has more than 20 years experience and teaches Maths/English. She is currently teaching in Pattaya area and finding it very difficult to receive a salary commensurate with her experience. Her English is very good.

[advancebooking]

if you want to work in bkk go to one of the big private colleges in siam ie Wall street. they will pay you 50k for a 6 day working week

[lucifer666]

If you were a English teacher, Then you would understand that Nothing Is Demanded,,,, It is Asked for only

Undercut, ( I am English) The Wording "DEMAND" means (I order you) ,,,, You do NOT Demand .....You ask

Edited January 21, 2015 by lucifer666

[Caesarillion]

Yea, really. "Demand" is rude. Maybe command would be better. That's if you are hired. Teaching Thai's is euphoria if you don't take on too much of a load with commuting and hanging out with the boss and working 7 days, hahahha, and too many girlfriends, etc. Good luck. Chock dee, I mean, to you. Long live the King.

[sir charles IV]

The use of word "demand" is perfectly suited in this context. Similar to "market demand". Being English does not necessarily qualify you as a competent English writer. Little knowledge is more dangerous than no knowledge some say. Lol. As for the OP going to schools is more effective than using agencies or writing to them. The old fashion way works best here.

[thequietman]

If you were a English teacher, Then you would understand that Nothing Is Demanded,,,, It is Asked for only

Undercut, ( I am English) The Wording "DEMAND" means (I order you) ,,,, You do NOT Demand .....You ask

a English teacher.......................really? come on that man !

[lostinisaan]

If you were a English teacher, Then you would understand that Nothing Is Demanded,,,, It is Asked for only

Undercut, ( I am English) The Wording "DEMAND" means (I order you) ,,,, You do NOT Demand .....You ask

Your criticism is unbelievable and absolutely unnecessary.. The Op didn't use "wrong English", while you wrote "a English teacher." It's "an English teacher."

Plus capitalizing the wrong words doesn't make you look better. Then isn't a noun, it's an adverb. But you're English?

1. A demand is a firm request for something.

There have been demands for services from tenants up there...

2. If you refer to demand, or to the demand for something, you are referring to how many people want to have it, do it, or buy it.

3. The demands of something or its demands on you are the things which it needs or the things which you have to do for it.

As much as I hate grammar cops, but when people start to criticize others ,they should clean their own front yard first.

G'Day.-

Edited January 21, 2015 by lostinisaan

[Pheat123]

I know the administration of some of the schools is looking at ways of cutting down on the number of foreign teachers used in schools. This is especially true of Western teachers. Some schools are starting to use Native speakers only for English language instruction and to increasingly use Filipinos for other subjects (especially in Bilingual and mini-English type programs).

Filipino teachers are increasingly being used for homeroom teachers for KG level programs.

I am guessing that the need for Western native speakers is fairly high. We recently had the administration allow us to hire two native speakers for whom we had no position, something that it the past was unheard of. The Admin would never allow for such an expense unless they were in short supply.

I was surprised at your post, I have a Filipino gf who has more than 20 years experience and teaches Maths/English. She is currently teaching in Pattaya area and finding it very difficult to receive a salary commensurate with her experience. Her English is very good.

Yep

No real surprise

This is why Thais are giving jobs to flips

Can pay them peanuts

[lostinisaan]

Yea, really. "Demand" is rude. Maybe command would be better. That's if you are hired. Teaching Thai's is euphoria if you don't take on too much of a load with commuting and hanging out with the boss and working 7 days, hahahha, and too many girlfriends, etc. Good luck. Chock dee, I mean, to you. Long live the King.

One writes some rubbish and you jump in, agree with it and even add some more keenok to it.

Where did you read that the word demand is rude? The blind will never lead the blind. Google it..

[Slip]

It's always fun to see native speakers make themselves look like complete f*****g idiots with no understanding of their own language while they criticise others.

Edited January 21, 2015 by Slip

[otherstuff1957]

I know the administration of some of the schools is looking at ways of cutting down on the number of foreign teachers used in schools. This is especially true of Western teachers. Some schools are starting to use Native speakers only for English language instruction and to increasingly use Filipinos for other subjects (especially in Bilingual and mini-English type programs).

Filipino teachers are increasingly being used for homeroom teachers for KG level programs.

I am guessing that the need for Western native speakers is fairly high. We recently had the administration allow us to hire two native speakers for whom we had no position, something that it the past was unheard of. The Admin would never allow for such an expense unless they were in short supply.

I was surprised at your post, I have a Filipino gf who has more than 20 years experience and teaches Maths/English. She is currently teaching in Pattaya area and finding it very difficult to receive a salary commensurate with her experience. Her English is very good.

Unfortunately for her, most Thai Admin people don't speak English well enough themselves to know if her English is very good or not. Also, for every job she applies for there will be 20 or so of her fellow countrymen also applying who will work for considerably less.

[lostinisaan]

I know the administration of some of the schools is looking at ways of cutting down on the number of foreign teachers used in schools. This is especially true of Western teachers. Some schools are starting to use Native speakers only for English language instruction and to increasingly use Filipinos for other subjects (especially in Bilingual and mini-English type programs).

Filipino teachers are increasingly being used for homeroom teachers for KG level programs.

I am guessing that the need for Western native speakers is fairly high. We recently had the administration allow us to hire two native speakers for whom we had no position, something that it the past was unheard of. The Admin would never allow for such an expense unless they were in short supply.

I was surprised at your post, I have a Filipino gf who has more than 20 years experience and teaches Maths/English. She is currently teaching in Pattaya area and finding it very difficult to receive a salary commensurate with her experience. Her English is very good.

"Teaching abroad is an attractive option for many Filipino teachers, who stand to earn as much as 25 times their standard salaries in the Philippines. In Baltimore, which has been actively recruiting in the Philippines since 2005, Filipino teachers earn as much as $45,000 a year, as compared to an average of $3,500 earned for teaching public school in the Philippines (and slightly more for teaching private school)...

Sumber : http://philbasiceducation.blogspot.com/2014/05/teachers-salary-in-philippines-must-be.html#ixzz3PSHlRQqR

$ 3,500 per year in the Philippines for real teachers with a teacher's license from their country. Let's see, that's around 112000 baht a year, or 9,333 baht a month, considering the greenback on 32 baht.I know quite a few Filipinos, most of them couples where both have a salary of 25,000 baht, while some Thai teachers are on a starting salary of 9,000 baht.

I've just interviewed 14 Thai English teachers today, who applied for a teaching position at our school. The one woman we finally hired has an outstanding command in English, she's Thai and has quite a few years of teaching experience. She'll have a starting salary of 11,000 baht teaching in the EP.

I made a very difficult test, which most of the Thais passed. My colleague from the PI was asked to answer some questions, but he completely failed. Only one out of ten was right.

Our male Filipino teacher's English is really very questionable, compared to our new Thai colleague's English.

The Filipino can't even write a simple speech for a third grader and even tops the O-net test question makers from Bangkok.

And he makes more than twice of her salary per month. Would you consider that fair?

Show your girl girl friend this link and consider to move to the States.......

[lostinisaan]

I know the administration of some of the schools is looking at ways of cutting down on the number of foreign teachers used in schools. This is especially true of Western teachers. Some schools are starting to use Native speakers only for English language instruction and to increasingly use Filipinos for other subjects (especially in Bilingual and mini-English type programs).

Filipino teachers are increasingly being used for homeroom teachers for KG level programs.

I am guessing that the need for Western native speakers is fairly high. We recently had the administration allow us to hire two native speakers for whom we had no position, something that it the past was unheard of. The Admin would never allow for such an expense unless they were in short supply.

I was surprised at your post, I have a Filipino gf who has more than 20 years experience and teaches Maths/English. She is currently teaching in Pattaya area and finding it very difficult to receive a salary commensurate with her experience. Her English is very good.

Unfortunately for her, most Thai Admin people don't speak English well enough themselves to know if her English is very good or not. Also, for every job she applies for there will be 20 or so of her fellow countrymen also applying who will work for considerably less.

It's really sad how many incompetent Thai head teachers with the power to hire and fire can't even differentiate between English and Tinglish.

But I've experienced that those "fellow countrymen" do not care about others. Backstabbing their own people seems pretty much common these days.

At some schools are whole family clans who really do all that only those they want get a job. Makes me really angry that those with 20 year experience don't get the position, while a youngish guy with a terrible English gets the job because he/she accepts 17 K.

They just don't get it, that an experienced teacher from the Philippines is actually teaching his/her students. I tend to believe that many school only want people who call everybody ( even the janitors) "Ajarn".They prefer those who clean the classrooms and stay from 7 am to 7 pm.

But I truly believe that it's the same scenario with foreigners. The brown tongued ones who always badmouth others seem to be more liked than those who're doing a great job and finally make students have fun learning English.

What a strange world we're living in this is.-

Edited January 21, 2015 by lostinisaan

[stubuzz]

I need two teachers. All the applicants so far have not been qualified or native speakers. So, i would say the demand for experienced native speakers is high.

Note: I am of the opinion that a 1 month qualification with no experience is not qualified.

Edited January 21, 2015 by stubuzz

[lostinisaan]

I need two teachers. All the applicants so far have not been qualified or native speakers. So, i would say the demand for experienced native speakers is high.

Note: I am of the opinion that a 1 month qualification with no experience is not qualified.

Would you let a guy with a "one month mechanic experience" fix your brakes? I wouldn't.-

[anon022]

I know the administration of some of the schools is looking at ways of cutting down on the number of foreign teachers used in schools. This is especially true of Western teachers. Some schools are starting to use Native speakers only for English language instruction and to increasingly use Filipinos for other subjects (especially in Bilingual and mini-English type programs).

Filipino teachers are increasingly being used for homeroom teachers for KG level programs.

I am guessing that the need for Western native speakers is fairly high. We recently had the administration allow us to hire two native speakers for whom we had no position, something that it the past was unheard of. The Admin would never allow for such an expense unless they were in short supply.

I was surprised at your post, I have a Filipino gf who has more than 20 years experience and teaches Maths/English. She is currently teaching in Pattaya area and finding it very difficult to receive a salary commensurate with her experience. Her English is very good.

"Teaching abroad is an attractive option for many Filipino teachers, who stand to earn as much as 25 times their standard salaries in the Philippines. In Baltimore, which has been actively recruiting in the Philippines since 2005, Filipino teachers earn as much as $45,000 a year, as compared to an average of $3,500 earned for teaching public school in the Philippines (and slightly more for teaching private school)...

Sumber : http://philbasiceducation.blogspot.com/2014/05/teachers-salary-in-philippines-must-be.html#ixzz3PSHlRQqR

$ 3,500 per year in the Philippines for real teachers with a teacher's license from their country. Let's see, that's around 112000 baht a year, or 9,333 baht a month, considering the greenback on 32 baht.I know quite a few Filipinos, most of them couples where both have a salary of 25,000 baht, while some Thai teachers are on a starting salary of 9,000 baht.

I've just interviewed 14 Thai English teachers today, who applied for a teaching position at our school. The one woman we finally hired has an outstanding command in English, she's Thai and has quite a few years of teaching experience. She'll have a starting salary of 11,000 baht teaching in the EP.

I made a very difficult test, which most of the Thais passed. My colleague from the PI was asked to answer some questions, but he completely failed. Only one out of ten was right.

Our male Filipino teacher's English is really very questionable, compared to our new Thai colleague's English.

The Filipino can't even write a simple speech for a third grader and even tops the O-net test question makers from Bangkok.

And he makes more than twice of her salary per month. Would you consider that fair?

Show your girl girl friend this link and consider to move to the States.......

Huh? "command in English"??

[anon022]

If you were a English teacher, Then you would understand that Nothing Is Demanded,,,, It is Asked for only

Undercut, ( I am English) The Wording "DEMAND" means (I order you) ,,,, You do NOT Demand .....You ask

"a"

say no more

[brewsterbudgen]

There's plenty of language school and corporate work in Bangkok. Rates can be anything between 400 & 800 baht an hour.

[anon022]

I know the administration of some of the schools is looking at ways of cutting down on the number of foreign teachers used in schools. This is especially true of Western teachers. Some schools are starting to use Native speakers only for English language instruction and to increasingly use Filipinos for other subjects (especially in Bilingual and mini-English type programs).

Filipino teachers are increasingly being used for homeroom teachers for KG level programs.

I am guessing that the need for Western native speakers is fairly high. We recently had the administration allow us to hire two native speakers for whom we had no position, something that it the past was unheard of. The Admin would never allow for such an expense unless they were in short supply.

I was surprised at your post, I have a Filipino gf who has more than 20 years experience and teaches Maths/English. She is currently teaching in Pattaya area and finding it very difficult to receive a salary commensurate with her experience. Her English is very good.

Unfortunately for her, most Thai Admin people don't speak English well enough themselves to know if her English is very good or not. Also, for every job she applies for there will be 20 or so of her fellow countrymen also applying who will work for considerably less.

BS. That's why there's the TOEIC or TOEFL test requirement. Just hire the ones that score over 900. Max. is 990, mine was 975.

That said, the min. requirement score is 600. Very frustrating working with PI teachers because of this. Half the time you're busy rewriting their speeches and plays, and they can act hostile whenever you try to correct their spelling and grammar mistakes.

Edited January 21, 2015 by Impossible

[wondercul]

I need two teachers. All the applicants so far have not been qualified or native speakers. So, i would say the demand for experienced native speakers is high.

Note: I am of the opinion that a 1 month qualification with no experience is not qualified.

Do you mean to say that all your applicants have been non-native speakers? (As well as having a qualification below what you require?)

If this is the case, then I suspect you might need to hire either a native speaker with a 1 month qualification, or a highly qualified non-native speaker.

Sounds like it wouldn't be too hard for a Brit like myself to find work then.

If I may deviate slightly from the topic, what standard of qualification are you looking for? And how much more will you pay for someone with a better qualification?

I'm asking to figure out the potential return on my potential investment.

Edited January 21, 2015 by wondercul

[SlyAnimal]

Please stay on topic, and be mindful that the following aren't on topic, and are potentially trolling and/or racism:

1/ Criticism regarding other poster's grammar/spelling or command of the English language.

2/ Criticism regarding the English ability of any particular nationality/race.

For a full list of the board rules, please feel free to consult the rules.

Edited January 21, 2015 by SlyAnimal
Reworded slightly

[mogo51]

I know the administration of some of the schools is looking at ways of cutting down on the number of foreign teachers used in schools. This is especially true of Western teachers. Some schools are starting to use Native speakers only for English language instruction and to increasingly use Filipinos for other subjects (especially in Bilingual and mini-English type programs).

Filipino teachers are increasingly being used for homeroom teachers for KG level programs.

I am guessing that the need for Western native speakers is fairly high. We recently had the administration allow us to hire two native speakers for whom we had no position, something that it the past was unheard of. The Admin would never allow for such an expense unless they were in short supply.

I was surprised at your post, I have a Filipino gf who has more than 20 years experience and teaches Maths/English. She is currently teaching in Pattaya area and finding it very difficult to receive a salary commensurate with her experience. Her English is very good.

Unfortunately for her, most Thai Admin people don't speak English well enough themselves to know if her English is very good or not. Also, for every job she applies for there will be 20 or so of her fellow countrymen also applying who will work for considerably less.

Thank you for a sensible quote far better than some of the others here. How easily some are distracted from the point of the posting. You are very correct, she goes to schools and often speak to Thais with no English and is rarely referred to the person some for making the decision. Even when that happens, little if any credence is placed on her experience, its all about getting cheap labour - screw giving the students a decent education.