ikke Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 I don't think the overseas media really understands what happened in the lead up to this, the corruption,nepotism,etc etc, nearly bringing Thailand to its knees, sound bites and one liners thats all they are interested in. just lets hope there is not another Shinawatara in the sidelines waiting to be pushed on by the great leader to be PM. regards Worgeordie Nearly bringing Thailand to his knees.... That's the only thing right in your post , because that's exactly what "your" great leader is doing.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post nisakiman Posted January 23, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted January 23, 2015 I find it quite staggering that so many foreigners who post on this forum are so fanatically partisan when it comes to Thai politics, which I'll wager a fraction of a percent of them actually understand. I don't pretend to know anything about the ins and outs of the various political parties, and I couldn't give a toss whether the Reds or the Yellows are in ascendency. All I see is that every government of whichever stripe seems to be equally corrupt, and has been for as long as there has been a political system. I see that the Shins have had a polarising effect on the political system insofar as they have given the masses a voice, and that the elite, the movers and shakers who control the money, the commerce and the (previously incestuous) political system are very much against allowing the great unwashed any say in the running of the country, as it threatens their cosy hegemony. All that is obvious to a casual outside observer. There are many more observations I could make as a disinterested observer about how and why this political polarisation has evolved, but they would get the comment deleted and doubtless result in my being banned, so I'll leave it at that I can understand that some commenters would favour what they perceive as the better option, politically, and that others will disagree. This is the nature of politics. But why the vitriol? Why the invective? It's not as if your opinion matters even a fraction of an iota to the parties concerned - you can't vote, you can't voice your opinions publicly on a Thai platform, so why get so exercised about it? Why the insults and contempt for the opposing views? It's on the same level as the lower terraces of opposing football teams - mindless tribal allegiance, but to a tribe which will always treat them as outsiders, and doesn't care one way or the other whether you support them or not. You are an irrelevance to them. It's a funny old world... 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docshock13 Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 And meanwhile in deepest darkest Issan........ No one knows or cares. Rice money......got it 30 Baht health care....free now Military rule.....my son/nephew/grandson is a soldier Fuel....Cheaper now.....must be Prayuth Thaksin.....a long time ago Lao Khao......Khap The last line I admit is a bit over the top, but as I see it, rural Thai people don't give a shit. And neither do I! Such a simple way to live. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony5 Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 Have to say that CNN's comment once again qualifies for the most ignorant one. CNN: Though the vote was largely symbolic, as she had already lost her post, it also carries a five-year ban from politics. Can't believe that a news organization, that was once respected, has fallen that low. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surangw Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 One notch closer to Zimbabwe. Could these generals have made a bigger balls-up of Thailand's future? It seems unlikely. at least there is not an ogre like Mugabe running things Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubl Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 a show trial by unelected and appointed people is bound to grab attention and the result was a foregone conclusion - good for the 18 brave souls who stood up, although appointed, and will probably be kicked out sometime soon The woman Yingluck had no answers as to why her pet scheme was allowed to lose 700 billion Baht. So of course her impeachment is deemed political by some. Her involvement in the scheme never denied, it's just political. Her statement in parliament to be the only one in charge, obviously political to remind her and ask her to show responsibility and accountability. A little Amply rich girl hunted down, political for sure. BTW if those 18 'brave souls' are not kicked out, what other excuse will you have? They were told to vote against to make it look better ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheClog Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 The International media are reporting it as it is because they wouldn't want a fascistic Military Junta in their own countries. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubl Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 I don't think the overseas media really understands what happened in the lead up to this, the corruption,nepotism,etc etc, nearly bringing Thailand to its knees, sound bites and one liners thats all they are interested in. just lets hope there is not another Shinawatara in the sidelines waiting to be pushed on by the great leader to be PM. regards Worgeordie OMG there is actually people on here who think the coup was about corruption OMG there are those who believe applying the law to a responsibility dodging former PM is political. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubl Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-30928835 Just about nails it. "That there was corruption is undeniable; there is plenty of evidence. The generous subsidy was also financially unsustainable. But no-one has yet been tried or convicted. Nor were Ms Yingluck's opponents able to explain how impeachment was possible against a politician who has already been removed from office, and by an assembly entirely appointed by the military." So impeachment on 'criminal negligence' (as stated by the NYT, or was it WP?) is only possible if others are tried or convicted? If 'corruption is undeniable with plenty of evidence' isn't that enough to impeach a former PM who stated to be in charge? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubl Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 The International media are reporting it as it is because they wouldn't want a fascistic Military Junta in their own countries. Somehow you try to avoid to suggest that the International Media might be biassed against the NCPO and current Thai government without succeeding. Isn't the objective for International Media to present news as objective as humanly possible? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheClog Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 The International media are reporting it as it is because they wouldn't want a fascistic Military Junta in their own countries. Somehow you try to avoid to suggest that the International Media might be biassed against the NCPO and current Thai government without succeeding. Isn't the objective for International Media to present news as objective as humanly possible? And you think the BBC Bangkok correspondent does that, check who his pals are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tullynagardy Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 I don't think the overseas media really understands what happened in the lead up to this, the corruption,nepotism,etc etc, nearly bringing Thailand to its knees, sound bites and one liners thats all they are interested in. just lets hope there is not another Shinawatara in the sidelines waiting to be pushed on by the great leader to be PM. regards Worgeordie OMG there is actually people on here who think the coup was about corruption OMG there are actually people on here who think the coup was not caused by the chaotic and corrupt policy of the Shin governments Bless 12 Coups since 1932, I bet Thaksin was responsible for them as well the wee devil. i don`t care if he wasn`t born for half of them Thai history didn`t start when you first came here as a sex tourist pal 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tezzainoz Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 A great shame . . . . the current leadership is the most corrupt, nepotistic, selfish and self-promoting whilst simultaneously being the most obviously inept. Good luck Thailand, you'll still keep smiling through all the corruption, murders of foreigners and blaming the Burmese . . I can only re issue what has already been said, People in Bkk and many other places say they are more happy and secure with this present government than they have been for many years with all recent governments.. They can sleep at night without being afraid of their city being burned to the ground or being taken over by Red terrorists.. Tax money is not being wasted in buying rice at double the global price ... And as for the generals making a balls-up... They came in to protect the country from civil war caused by the last government... Time you spent time in their shoes, before demanding the world need to live by your rules Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chooka Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 (edited) One notch closer to Zimbabwe. Could these generals have made a bigger balls-up of Thailand's future? It seems unlikely. Thank you highlighting why illogical comparisons are all that remain as remnants for excuses by PTP supporters. Even if the statements don't make sense anymore they are offered to the forum without any description of why the comparison is offered.You realize Mugabe had been in power and has been "voted in" through elections for 33 years. I think Thailand is one notch closer to Santa Claus! Could yingluck have made a bigger balls upon Thailand's future? This statement makes as much sense as your comment without any explanation. Care to extrapolate? Mugabe may have been elected but there is nothing like a burning tyre around your neck and your village destroyed to help you vote correctly. Mugabe rules through intimidation and fear backed by his military. He has flushed his country down the toilet since he sized power and one of his closet allies is North Korea who trained his security forces. I am sure Mugabe and little Kym have already praised thier great friend Prayuth. Edited January 24, 2015 by chooka Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunshine51 Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 The mere novelty of "impeaching" a leader who was already long ago pushed out of office is sure to catch attention. Thailand ... who ever said there isn't a wellspring of CREATIVITY here? I once believed that an impeachment can only be accomplished on an incumbent head of state, such as the start of impeachment hearings on Richard Nixon (he resigned instead) and of William Jefferson Clinton (Slick Willy) for leaving a pecker track on some interns dress which only boosted his career. However, nowadays, I must agree with you JT....even a onetime leader (loosely used term) booted out in a coup d'etat can still be impeached...in LOS anyway. Truly amazing Thailand...truly amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricardo Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 Wow, you're utterly clueless. Suthep wanted mayhem and death. He RELISHED the violence. I suspect that you're confusing Suthep with Chalerm ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post chooka Posted January 24, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted January 24, 2015 Wow, you're utterly clueless. Suthep wanted mayhem and death. He RELISHED the violence. I suspect that you're confusing Suthep with Chalerm ? I think he means Suthep and the Mad Monk. Suthep the guy who when in government said it was ilegal to take over government buildings and sent the Army in to stop protestors. Then the same guy commits the very same acts when he was ousted. Violent hypocrite of the highest order. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snig27 Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 <script type='text/javascript'>window.mod_pagespeed_start = Number(new Date());</script> One notch closer to Zimbabwe. Could these generals have made a bigger balls-up of Thailand's future? It seems unlikely. Who has links with Zimbabwe and its dictator again? Ah, now I remember, the Shins! They even have some businesses in that democratical paradise! And then there is that pumpous twit of a former TAT chief, who is 'friendly' with the Mugabes. As such, I'd say today we are one more step away from all those evil people, not any closer... Oh dear, you completely miss the point - it was an obvious one but it might have been a quantum leap too far for you. It's not even vaguely about having "links to ..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snig27 Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 <script type='text/javascript'>window.mod_pagespeed_start = Number(new Date());</script> One notch closer to Zimbabwe. Could these generals have made a bigger balls-up of Thailand's future? It seems unlikely. Thank you highlighting why illogical comparisons are all that remain as remnants for excuses by PTP supporters. Even if the statements don't make sense anymore they are offered to the forum without any description of why the comparison is offered.You realize Mugabe had been in power and has been "voted in" through elections for 33 years.I think Thailand is one notch closer to Santa Claus! Could yingluck have made a bigger balls upon Thailand's future? This statement makes as much sense as your comment without any explanation.Care to extrapolate? Mugabe may have been elected but there is nothing like a burning tyre around your neck and your village destroyed to help you vote correctly. Mugabe rules through intimidation and fear backed by his military. He has flushed his country down the toilet since he sized power and one of his closet allies is North Korea who trained his security forces. I am sure Mugabe and little Kym have already praised thier great friend Prayuth. Exactly, thank you - it's incredible how some people seem unable to rationally address a comment even when English seems to be their first language. As you correctly point out the remark was about the step closer to the thug state we've taken (and the step away from reconciliation) , rather than the sort of nitwitted responses it got - and people frothing about "PTP supporters". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AGareth2 Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 5 year ban does it matter there won't be an election for 5 years just increases her popularity in the long run everyone loves a martyr 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bakseeda Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 Wow, you're utterly clueless. Suthep wanted mayhem and death. He RELISHED the violence. Suthep like him or hate him , Will go down as a Hero in Thai history... And he is a Hero... He risked his life daily to bring down the most openly corrupt government ever to be installed in Thailand... Long live the King..! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post halloween Posted January 24, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted January 24, 2015 a show trial by unelected and appointed people is bound to grab attention and the result was a foregone conclusion - good for the 18 brave souls who stood up, although appointed, and will probably be kicked out sometime soon As was pointed out yesterday, the NLa and PTP are not the same. Another way they are different is that members are allowed to vote as they wish rather than as ordered, and they still get paid (their salary, not their monthly bribe from a criminal). 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djjamie Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 (edited) I don't think the overseas media really understands what happened in the lead up to this, the corruption,nepotism,etc etc, nearly bringing Thailand to its knees, sound bites and one liners thats all they are interested in. just lets hope there is not another Shinawatara in the sidelines waiting to be pushed on by the great leader to be PM. regards Worgeordie Nearly bringing Thailand to his knees.... That's the only thing right in your post , because that's exactly what "your" great leader is doing.... Your doing the santa clause approach as well. Explain why the "great leader is doing this??? Can you? <EDIT> Unless you have me on your "ignore" list. In which case I see that as the highest honor because it shows you cannot stand reading facts. And anyone that replies this I would appreciate no condescension. I would prefer some meat to work with!!! Edited January 24, 2015 by djjamie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billd766 Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 I don't think the overseas media really understands what happened in the lead up to this, the corruption,nepotism,etc etc, nearly bringing Thailand to its knees, sound bites and one liners thats all they are interested in. just lets hope there is not another Shinawatara in the sidelines waiting to be pushed on by the great leader to be PM. regards Worgeordie A link for all you people who didn't know how the military coup came about. Produced by the BBC last year it explains the whole thing for everyone in the world in just 60 seconds. Armed with this knowledge you too can be recognised world wide as an "expert" on Thai politics. If anybody queries it just say that it must be true as it was on the BBC and YouTube. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baerboxer Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 The mere novelty of "impeaching" a leader who was already long ago pushed out of office is sure to catch attention. Thailand ... who ever said there isn't a wellspring of CREATIVITY here? She wasn't "pushed" out of office. She had broken the rules whilst pursuing nepotism. Following a complaint from the victim, the courts removed her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baerboxer Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 One notch closer to Zimbabwe. Could these generals have made a bigger balls-up of Thailand's future? It seems unlikely. at least there is not an ogre like Mugabe running things There would have been had the amnesty bill been rammed through as planned and a certain criminal allowed back to take full hands on control of his puppet government. Then we'd have seen some interesting interpretations of democracy and law changes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wowfactor10 Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 One notch closer to Zimbabwe. Could these generals have made a bigger balls-up of Thailand's future? It seems unlikely. Snig, I don't know where you live but if you ask the good ole folks of Bangkok, they will tell you down to the last man woman and Soi dog that they are more happy and secure with this present government than they have been for many years with all recent governments.. They can sleep at night without being afraid of their city being burned to the ground or being taken over by Red terrorists.. And their tax money is not being wasted in buying rice at double the global price ... And as for the generals making a balls-up... They came in to protect the country from civil war caused by the last government... Grow -up man.... Hum yeah right They are all so happy here in BKK with your new Democratic government !! Do you know any black person that made friends with some members of the Ku klux clan ? Any ? So why do you think the general likes and or cares for you / your different.Foreigners eating Sandwich and Thais are eating rice its totally different.. Buy some more land for your wife u be fine here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubl Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 The International media are reporting it as it is because they wouldn't want a fascistic Military Junta in their own countries. Somehow you try to avoid to suggest that the International Media might be biassed against the NCPO and current Thai government without succeeding. Isn't the objective for International Media to present news as objective as humanly possible? And you think the BBC Bangkok correspondent does that, check who his pals are. Objective, or just diverting? ""That there was corruption is undeniable; there is plenty of evidence. The generous subsidy was also financially unsustainable. But no-one has yet been tried or convicted. Nor were Ms Yingluck's opponents able to explain how impeachment was possible against a politician who has already been removed from office, and by an assembly entirely appointed by the military." http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-30928835 " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlastikbinLina Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 I don't think the overseas media really understands what happened in the lead up to this, the corruption,nepotism,etc etc, nearly bringing Thailand to its knees, sound bites and one liners thats all they are interested in. just lets hope there is not another Shinawatara in the sidelines waiting to be pushed on by the great leader to be PM. regards Worgeordie OMG there is actually people on here who think the coup was about corruption Or you could say OMG there is actually people on here who think Yes? think about what? Did you fall asleep? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skywalker69 Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 One notch closer to Zimbabwe. Could these generals have made a bigger balls-up of Thailand's future? It seems unlikely. Search how R Mugabe came to power. You will find that he was democratically elected. What happened after that. Look it upI think Thaksin would have done the same if he got the chance. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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