New ivory law takes effect
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BANGKOK, Jan 29 -- The Department of National Parks, Wildlife and Plant Conservation warned owners of ivory tusks and products made from ivory to report their holdings to the authorities within 90 days as required by the new ivory law that took effect on Jan 22.

Nipon Chotibal, director-general of the department, said that the new law and the amended wildlife conservation and protection act strictly control the possession and trade in ivory and products made from it and now required owners to report their ivory possessions.

The deadline for reporting is April 21 and violators are liable to a fine of up to Bt3 million.

In addition, traders of ivory and its products be licensed by the director-general; otherwise, they will be liable to a jail term of up to three years or a fine of up to Bt6 million.

Ivory Importers and exporters must also seek approval and comply with regulations.

Violators are liable to the same degrees of imprisonment and fines.

Laws and regulations have been amended defining African elephants as protected animals in order to block the trade in African ivory.

The amendment requires ivory registration to include elephants' DNA and microchip data to prevent foreign ivory from being disguised as domestic ivory.

The improved controls on ivory incorporated recommendations of the Standing Committee of the Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species of Wild Fauna and Flora (CITES).

Thailand is required to respond within March; otherwise, its wildlife and wild plant trade worth at least Bt47 billion a year would be boycotted, Mr Nipon said. (MCOT online news)


-- TNA 2015-01-29

And ivory produced in Thailand itself? Only African ivory is applicable to this change?

Quote, "Laws and regulations have been amended defining African elephants as protected animals in order to block the trade in African ivory." unquote.

So Thai elephants are still unprotected? Get the facts right reporter!

Until Thailand closes the supposedly 700 legal ivory outlets they just prove that they have no intention in controlling this hideous treatment of one of the most beautiful animal on earth.

banned in most countries since 20 years

but that are civilized countries that understood that the trade is responsible for all the killings of elephants, rhinos ... to be crushed for a stiffie powder for chinese... they did not have access to viagra ?

I own some Ivory Tusks and other small Ivory items which i purchasednearly 30 years ago while i was working in Tanzania, legally puchased with Government registration papers,even approved by U.K. Customs when i took them home initially, i assume that i will be included in the requirment to register them, that being the case does anybody know where i would have to register the items ??or a buyer as they would seem to be a liability to own them now.

And ivory produced in Thailand itself? Only African ivory is applicable to this change?

Quote, "Laws and regulations have been amended defining African elephants as protected animals in order to block the trade in African ivory." unquote.

So Thai elephants are still unprotected? Get the facts right reporter!

This new law means nothing to the poachers. They need to be killed in order to stop the illegal trade, but that will never happen because the poachers are smarter than the Game Wardens. When the market in Thailand becomes to hot to make it profitable to market ivory, they will just take their ivory elsewhere and continue to slaughter elephant and rhinos.

The deadline for reporting is April 21 and violators are liable to a fine of up to Bt3 million.

What a relief to know this amount would not reduce any ivory studded temple's abbots back to poverty.

Report to where ?

Report how ?

The 3 biggest traders in ivory, ww, are China, Thailand and the Philippines, in that order. The Fils want ivory mainly for Madonna statues.

from OP: Ivory Importers and exporters must also seek approval and comply with regulations.

expect a lot of under-the-table tea money, to get administrators to toe the line, and at least approve the ivory traders' current stock.

In northern Thailand and Shan State Burma (near where I reside) I see baby ivory tusks. Yup, little tusks between 10 and 20 inches long. Sad to think of poachers yanking the little tusks out. Are the baby elephants dead or alive when they do it? Probably dead. A quick 120 baht for the pair, and on to the next baby.

Report to where ?

Report how ?

After getting the usual run-around, you'll find a bureaucrat who will take your money. I don't know which dept., but there are always bureaucrats willing to take money, after you fill out and sign a stack of papers. Some of the money may be over-the-counter, some under, but you'll pay. It would probably help to take along a bottle of Johnny Walker in a paper sack.

And ivory produced in Thailand itself? Only African ivory is applicable to this change?

Quote, "Laws and regulations have been amended defining African elephants as protected animals in order to block the trade in African ivory." unquote.

So Thai elephants are still unprotected? Get the facts right reporter!

why shouldn't you trade ivory from Thai elephants that aren't wild. Most elephants live in camps. Why should their ivory being destroyed?

(That I don't see any reasons for elephant shows just to entertain tourists and that it should be more regulated is another story)

And ivory produced in Thailand itself? Only African ivory is applicable to this change?

Quote, "Laws and regulations have been amended defining African elephants as protected animals in order to block the trade in African ivory." unquote.

So Thai elephants are still unprotected? Get the facts right reporter!

why shouldn't you trade ivory from Thai elephants that aren't wild. Most elephants live in camps. Why should their ivory being destroyed?

(That I don't see any reasons for elephant shows just to entertain tourists and that it should be more regulated is another story)

Your question has been answered already. Did you read thread before you posted?

banned in most countries since 20 years

but that are civilized countries that understood that the trade is responsible for all the killings of elephants, rhinos ... to be crushed for a stiffie powder for chinese... they did not have access to viagra ?

They had access to their father's father's father's ancestors' imaginations—far more convincing than some pointless pharmaceutical "research."

Edited January 30, 201511 yr by aboctok

And ivory produced in Thailand itself? Only African ivory is applicable to this change?

Quote, "Laws and regulations have been amended defining African elephants as protected animals in order to block the trade in African ivory." unquote.

So Thai elephants are still unprotected? Get the facts right reporter!

This new law means nothing to the poachers. They need to be killed in order to stop the illegal trade, but that will never happen because the poachers are smarter than the Game Wardens. When the market in Thailand becomes to hot to make it profitable to market ivory, they will just take their ivory elsewhere and continue to slaughter elephant and rhinos.

The poachers are not smarter than the game wardens, they are better funded and have the backing of corrupt officials....!

I met some of the game wardens and those I met are great knowledgable people that know a awful lot about the animals and nature they have to protect. but the fight is always in favour of the poacher...

And ivory produced in Thailand itself? Only African ivory is applicable to this change?

Quote, "Laws and regulations have been amended defining African elephants as protected animals in order to block the trade in African ivory." unquote.

So Thai elephants are still unprotected? Get the facts right reporter!

why shouldn't you trade ivory from Thai elephants that aren't wild. Most elephants live in camps. Why should their ivory being destroyed?

(That I don't see any reasons for elephant shows just to entertain tourists and that it should be more regulated is another story)

Come on h90, you know better than to post such as that!

If trading in ivory of non-wild elephants were to be permitted, then all wild elephants would become instantly non-wild. Q.E.D.

Possibly a disaster waiting to happen in T.

I had to make a report a few years ago, Thailand has lost over 90% of its wild elephants.

I hope this is not another way for "officials" to make even more money by monopolising the this market.

Time the soldier government showed the same respect to Thailand elephants and protected them rather than just the African elephants, can’t be many wild elephants left in Thailand now so if you need some ivory you had better be quick.

Edited January 30, 201511 yr by metisdead
Font, again.

I had to make a report a few years ago, Thailand has lost over 90% of its wild elephants.

Perhaps 90% in the last 100 years, but more like 99% compared to 1,000 years ago. Thailand is in the dumps when it comes to preserving habitat and watching out for wild beasts. Tigers: nearly gone. Leopards, gone. One horned rhinos: gone. Tapirs: gone. Manatees: essentially gone, though once every few years, one will be sighted, and then locals will charge out to gouge out its eyes. Aparently manatee eyes have some hocus pocus value for primitive people. I think deer are gone also, Thailand's neighboring countries aren't environmentall friendly either, but they harbor more wild animals than Thailand. Even over-populated Sri Lanka, where I just visited, has more wild animals than mall-infested Thailand, ....certainly more large birds per acre. Sri Lanka also have several coastal turtle farms, which nurture baby turtles and turn them back to the sea. The nurseries pay locals for eggs (higher than the market price). Does Thailand have any turtle farms (sea or terrestrial)? I don't know, but I did see a wide and long beach in Thailand (north of Krabi) littered with broken glass from beer bottles, every sq.M.

Splendid!

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banned in most countries since 20 years

but that are civilized countries that understood that the trade is responsible for all the killings of elephants, rhinos ... to be crushed for a stiffie powder for chinese... they did not have access to viagra ?

The 3 biggest traders in ivory, ww, are China, Thailand and the Philippines, in that order. The Fils want ivory mainly for Madonna statues.

from OP: Ivory Importers and exporters must also seek approval and comply with regulations.

expect a lot of under-the-table tea money, to get administrators to toe the line, and at least approve the ivory traders' current stock.

In northern Thailand and Shan State Burma (near where I reside) I see baby ivory tusks. Yup, little tusks between 10 and 20 inches long. Sad to think of poachers yanking the little tusks out. Are the baby elephants dead or alive when they do it? Probably dead. A quick 120 baht for the pair, and on to the next baby.

so only the chinese get blamed for the trade but not the rest. Also i am sure out of these 3 other countries are involved.

so only the Chinese get blamed for the trade but not the rest?

No one is saying Chinese are the only ones involved. However, they are, by far, the biggest contributor to decimation of elephants and other beasts worldwide. If Chinese officials put 1/100th the effort in to lessening trade in endangered animal parts as it does to shoring up the iron-grip of its politburo, there would be improvements.

Like all countries, China has its priorities. Protecting wild animals and their habitat is waaaay down the list, ...after things like: censoring the internet, shutting down free-thinkers, jailing Tibetan monks and nuns, etc.

Edited February 1, 201511 yr by boomerangutang

The poachers must be dealt severely and with striking force must be apprehended and through justice must be given exemplary punishment.