. All photographs posted must be your own

[sometime]

Ok , yes its me again.

if I ever post or send a photo taken by anyone else I always state not taken by me and if possible give the photographers name,

I saw a photo on cars and thought I have seen that before.http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/737050-cars/page-9#entry9042081

byStarted by Robby nz,

This photo has been online 112 times.

dont forget https://tineye.com/ can trace any photo.

http://www.carcabin.com/janna-dominguez-17jpg/i60.photobucket.com%2Aalbums%2Ah27%2ADCRJ2%2Ajanna_dominguez_17.jpg/

http://www.beliefnet.com/%7E/media/CFD84CF7E74340629A0BFF8186829668.ashx?bg=00000000&c=1&f=png&h=69&w=92

http://www.beliefnet.com/%7E/media/CFD84CF7E74340629A0BFF8186829668.ashx?h=75&w=100

http://www.pacificariptide.com/.a/6a00d8341c795b53ef017c34a1a775970b-75si

http://www.pacificariptide.com/pacifica_riptide/2010/01/adelman-aerial-photos-california-coastline.html

https://tineye.com/search/eda49351ac1d8ad1a3e840abbf24e57173025874/

https://tineye.com/search/show_all/eda49351ac1d8ad1a3e840abbf24e57173025874/69df5f663ead24fa8f77957a7ba74b3185be44310d9d8981bc023019dee7db6a/www.pacificariptide.com/1

Edited February 7, 2015 by sometime

[harrry]

aren't you a good boy

[Showbags]

Dibba dobba..

[Goompa]

Best to remain anonymous I guess ...

[sunshine51]

This site doesn't say much. I just uploaded a pic I posted here on the wide world thread

a couple days ago and TinEye coughed up zero results....perhaps too new? Perhaps

outta their search area? What if the photo name is changed? However...it is good

that you don't credit anothers work as your own.

Edit to add more words at the end

Edited February 7, 2015 by sunshine51

[Goompa]

Perhaps TinEye is superficial in their search criteria , not looking for substantial images sunshine ?

[sometime]

aren't you a good boy

Ok should we all post other peoples work, just scan the net and post.

Good boy, No but honest, not many of us left in this world.

[sunshine51]

Perhaps TinEye is superficial in their search criteria , not looking for substantial images sunshine ?

Howdy Goomps...I have no idea what their search criteria is...perhaps metadata?

That said, in the past I have seen some of my work on some websites which

were ripped off and used TinEye with great success to find other websites.

The pix were removed from said websites. However I never removed the

metadata on the ripped off pix & neither did the ripper offers!

[fimgirl]

Image infringement is rife.

"Google Image Search" is the one for checking. > https://images.google.com/

[Guest]

Every now and then our members get carried away and are having a bit of fun with the threads. Sometimes I don't want to be a buzzkill and let the fun to continue, as long as it does not hurt anyone and the fun is within boundaries. Quite often the temporary sidetrack get back to the original topic after some time.

For me this particular case started from this entry, which mentioned "Something from my mail box clean out." As an indication that this was not an original image my the poster. http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/737050-cars/page-8#entry8967207

There is a balance in everything. Yes, each of the photos should state who is the original photographer, in case the shared photo is not by the poster. In these cases I thought it was obvious and I did not remove them.

This part of the forum has been more lenient of wandering off-topic and I wish it will stay in that way. What I personally don't like is personal attacks and tries to shame someone else or someone else's abilities to produce photos. If there are personal issues between members, keep it to the PM's or try your luck within other forums, where the people know your background. Photo forums are not the place for battles between members (unless of course it's battles who manages to take better images).

I hope each of us can show a bit understanding what others are doing as well as learn to think the positive of others. At least on our little photo forum.

[Goompa]

I think you are doing a fine job Oilinki managing us here , I have had images stolen as well , but I figure this is my fault as well , yes Goomps has some good shots out there on the web thingy apparently , well good enough for them to be scudded by who knows .

A shot here and there from the web is ok for me and I don't make an issue about this , depends on the context I guess .

Just I hope keep this fun , because my funny bones are starting to ache a bit too much with all the impropriety lately , we are all here to share and to gain . If one is not with this ethos for the wealth of it , then bugger of back to the general forums and leave us in peace . Enough said .

[sunshine51]

^^^ G....Outta likes I am.

[Guest]

Thanks Goomps.

For me the value of my photos has been, the amount of people who have seen my shots. When I was a uni student my father gave me press-tickets to a world championship ice-hockey game along with a old film camera and told me to take some shots. I had a great time, but also learned that to take the photos is more than just enjoying the game. I climbed to a place, which others did not, to take the shot, which was shown as a full page shot on the newspapers. That is the shot I'm most proud of ever since.

Since that I have managed to get some of my photos to local newspapers here in Phuket. Some back in Finland. Sometimes I have received little compensation, which has always been minuscule compared to the enjoyment I have had that there has been other people who have seen and possibly enjoyed the photos I have managed to take.

I do understand the need to get money out of photos, but for most of us the ability to express ourselves is enough.

How the heck some people can make a living out of photography is beyond me.

[phuketrichard]

Thanks;

just did a search for a photo if mine i have posted an found it on 9 different sites!!

Edited February 8, 2015 by phuketrichard

[MJP]

I wish people would steal my photos. It would make my day.

[MJP]

Thanks;

just did a search for a photo if mine i have posted an found it on 9 different sites!!

Has anyone tried the phone number on that one?

[Ace of Pop]

Shouldn't allow pics from folks who have Photo Websites either selling pictures and services for monetary gain.

[MJP]

Shouldn't allow pics from folks who have Photo Websites either selling pictures and services for monetary gain.

All ours protogs are retired and ain't no one gonna buy any of that anyway. They're all well past their prime.

[Ace of Pop]

Oh if that was true MJP.!. One poster here is offering pics from 34 GBP of Thai Islands.. Dont bother pointing this out via a P.M. as i did it gets ignored,just a way of sweeping a true armatures view under the table imo. The whole point of having a Google Website is to make money.Why not advertise Via Thai Visa like Wallen does in the Education section.

[MJP]

Oh if that was true MJP.!. One poster here is offering pics from 34 GBP of Thai Islands.. Dont bother pointing this out via a P.M. as i did it gets ignored,just a way of sweeping a true armatures view under the table imo. The whole point of having a Google Website is to make money.Why not advertise Via Thai Visa like Wallen does in the Education section.

Well I never knew that!

[Ace of Pop]

You are not supposed too

[lust]

The days of selling pictures are over... Everyone is a photographer these days anyways. Unless you are wealthy, good luck ever suing a company for stealing it. Also, if you post on facebook and instagram you no longer own these photos.

[rhythmworx]

Always had my suspicions Peter Lik frequented this forum.

[Rob8891]

This thread started out sensibly pointing out that posted pics should be our own: I agree 100%. I don't want to see someone's photo of someone else's photo - that's pointless to my mind. Then it developed into the point that if one really must use a third party's work, then it must be credited. Fair enough there too, although I would still rather see what other members are producing in their own right.

However, it now seems that the thread is turning into a bit of a crusade, and is starting to move off the OP, with all the possibilities - nay, probabilities - of being divisive. Over the past few months, there have been far too many comments made by some posters that that have caused offense to others, and this has soured the atmosphere for some of the community. All I can suggest is that if this forum does not meet the requirements of anyone, then perhaps they might be happier looking elsewhere, before they cause irreparable damage to Photography and the Arts. I am getting heartily sick of it, and am seriously thinking of using the door myself, and know of one or two valued posters who are feeling the same. I'm here to enjoy the photography, much of which I find awesome and frequently inspirational: I am not here to read whingeing and less than complimentary comments about other posters or their photos. For the umpteenth time, if anyone has a gripe, use the report button and/or take it up in a PM in a mature way and don't burden everyone with it, please. NO MORE....please, pretty please, give it a rest.

Rant over. I apologise to the forum.

Now, as for the latest issue of professional photographers in the forum, I can see no problem whatsoever with protoggers posting in here. If they are overtly selling, then they ought to desist as that's not the point of our forum, but nowhere have I seen any one suggesting we should pay for their photos. Can anyone show me one single instance of advertising??.....

However, what I do see are the pros showing us some ideas, discussing techniques and equipment based on sound experience, and offering a lot of very valuable advice for free. For that, I for one am extremely grateful. I think we should appreciate what we are being offered and embrace it gladly and not perpetually complain. ......... Talk about biting the hand that feeds you! Jeezo! ................... If some of the toggers make money from their photos outwith Thaivisa, good for them.

...and while we are at it, I also sold photos - some of which have been posted here on occasion. OK, I was never on the pro level, but made some handy pocket money. I don't see what someone's profession has to do with this forum at all....

To the protoggers, can I just finish my second rant by saying a big thank you, guys. Please don't stop the good work here, this forum needs your input.

I really must up my caffein levels before posting..... ..... deep breaths, Rob, deep breaths.....

[Assurancetourix]

Deep breaths ...I do every two days cycling in Issan countryside ...

If somebody here wants to pick one of my photo he or she can do it ;

Don't know what he or she can do with a light jpeg photo ...

[sunshine51]

The days of selling pictures are over... Everyone is a photographer these days anyways. Unless you are wealthy, good luck ever suing a company for stealing it. Also, if you post on facebook and instagram you no longer own these photos.

Lust...If you put copyright info on your pic that you post to FB, Instagram etc...YOU own it, not them.

If they flog it elsewhere you can take em to court and win....but it's gonna take a long time.

That said if you post the pic without copyright info & perhaps without exif & iptc info embedded

then they can claim it as their own & do what they please with it. That the legal morass of the web.

[mrhitchens]

This thread started out sensibly pointing out that posted pics should be our own: I agree 100%. I don't want to see someone's photo of someone else's photo - that's pointless to my mind. Then it developed into the point that if one really must use a third party's work, then it must be credited. Fair enough there too, although I would still rather see what other members are producing in their own right.

However, it now seems that the thread is turning into a bit of a crusade, and is starting to move off the OP, with all the possibilities - nay, probabilities - of being divisive. Over the past few months, there have been far too many comments made by some posters that that have caused offense to others, and this has soured the atmosphere for some of the community. All I can suggest is that if this forum does not meet the requirements of anyone, then perhaps they might be happier looking elsewhere, before they cause irreparable damage to Photography and the Arts. I am getting heartily sick of it, and am seriously thinking of using the door myself, and know of one or two valued posters who are feeling the same. I'm here to enjoy the photography, much of which I find awesome and frequently inspirational: I am not here to read whingeing and less than complimentary comments about other posters or their photos. For the umpteenth time, if anyone has a gripe, use the report button and/or take it up in a PM in a mature way and don't burden everyone with it, please. NO MORE....please, pretty please, give it a rest.

Rant over. I apologise to the forum.

Now, as for the latest issue of professional photographers in the forum, I can see no problem whatsoever with protoggers posting in here. If they are overtly selling, then they ought to desist as that's not the point of our forum, but nowhere have I seen any one suggesting we should pay for their photos. Can anyone show me one single instance of advertising??.....

However, what I do see are the pros showing us some ideas, discussing techniques and equipment based on sound experience, and offering a lot of very valuable advice for free. For that, I for one am extremely grateful. I think we should appreciate what we are being offered and embrace it gladly and not perpetually complain. ......... Talk about biting the hand that feeds you! Jeezo! ................... If some of the toggers make money from their photos outwith Thaivisa, good for them.

...and while we are at it, I also sold photos - some of which have been posted here on occasion. OK, I was never on the pro level, but made some handy pocket money. I don't see what someone's profession has to do with this forum at all....

To the protoggers, can I just finish my second rant by saying a big thank you, guys. Please don't stop the good work here, this forum needs your input.

I really must up my caffein levels before posting..... ..... deep breaths, Rob, deep breaths.....

Great post, could not of put if any better^^

[Tywais]

Have not been very proactive in this forum due to heavy work commitments. Thanks oilinki for taken up the reins here and I will try to focus more on this forum. This topic was brought to my attention so will give my thoughts.

I've posted a variety of times regarding posting your own work and is posted in the pinned topic here - Posting Images - Guidelines

3. All photographs posted must be your own.

4. All photographs should be Thailand related

There are a few exceptions but in these cases it must be clear that it is not your own work and reasons that may allow it are:

1. Comparative analysis - that is, comparing another's work to your own or others to show technique or styles.

2. Photos that demonstrate a camera's capability and IQ for discussion, normally in the Hardware portion of the photo forum.

3. Another member's photo must not be modified and re-posted unless it is clear it is to assist a member in improving his shot. Preferably, requesting permission first would be the appropriate way.

4. The how did they do that type of photo.

Now for copyright and watermarks:

5. It is recommended that you watermark your photographs before posting to protect your copyright. This can be a visible or non-visible watermark or url on the photograph, provided that any url does not lead to an obvious commercial site. This rule only applies in the Photography section.

It was discussed a while ago with admins and mods regarding URLs as part of the copyright watermarks and was decided it was allowed as long as the site is directly associated with the image.

Another issue, for privacy reasons it is not acceptable to mention members by their real name and can result in formal warnings and/or suspensions and has recently been done. Nor is it allowed to post a PM (private message) on the board of another member.

I will state again that the photography forum is for everyone, the very beginner with his first camera to the pros/semi-pros with their megabuck kits. The majority of us are basically learners and need the assistance from the advanced photographers to improve our abilities. It certainly has shown in several members their personal advancement in the field and what positive feedback and reinforcement and education from other members can do.

Personal attacks and inflammatory comments on members regarding their photos or abilities will not be tolerated. Humor if obvious is one thing, but being mean is not. Think your comment out before posting as to how would you feel if someone said the same thing about you or your work.

Sorry for being a bit harsh, but sometimes things need to be bluntly clarified to try and keep this section running smoothly and happily as it normally is. The report button is highly recommended if you feel there is an issue that needs addressed.

Thanks

Tywais - Admin

[Goompa]

Thank you Tywais for you conclusive information and input once again .

Personally I have a lot to thank to the members on this thread ,for I believe I have gained a lot of information and progressed somewhat in my ability

to produce a " Half Decent Shot " . I don't believe that without viewing and trying to adapt a little with the information that I would be where I am today , I mean a little better skilled and maybe worth a look now and then .

Sure , I do flick in a shot or 2 from the internet for a bit of humour , but I don't believe I am making waves and certainly do not denigrate any ones work.

In the more than 12 months I have been a member here I can also see the growth in skills and development of others , sure there is a lot of us with

basic equipment and phone cams , but the initial idea I had regarding " Photography and Arts " was to deliver an image with purpose to an adult audience .

Maybe this is not the platform for my input or I am wrong in assuming this can transpose , I find it an absolute shame and a waste of time to view

somedays as these pages are just becoming another carriage service for people banned from facebook !

as I do not reside wholly in Thailand it is difficult for me to be a more constructive associate to the forum , but what I can see atm , the dogs are coming closer and need to be fed , neither a metaphore nor a conclusion .

[sunshine51]

Tywais & Rob...great replies... nuff said on my part.

Yours too Goomps...can't leave the macro man out!

Lately there seems to be a few spats cropping up

and in all honesty the public view on this thread isn't

the place for it. The members who are having these

spats should know how & when to deal with this fact.

If not...re-read the forum rules...please.

From amateur to pro we're all constantly learning

because there is no defined rules in photography

save for perhaps...camera operation & being one

of the "pro's" I'm not so sure about that either.

However... I am sure about the gist (jist?) of the

OP...yes the pix posted are to be of our own making

with few minor exceptions as stated by Tywais post.

Also to add that TinEye & Google Images do not

represent who has copyright (OWNS) that photo.

They only state how many times they have gleaned

it from the web. And we should understand, if we

have been using the internet for any time longer

than a few months...if you post something on the

web...it's public info & has the capability to be

available to every Tom, Dick & Harry, plus Jane,

Sheila & the Doris's of the world...plus their

offspring for eons.

Back to TinEye & Google Images...They have no

clue to who or what holds the copyright...they just

troll the net looking for pix and then compiling where

& how many times each pic has appeared on the net.

Perhaps in one of their links a person or organisation

may be able to locate copyright information...who knows.

If a pic has shown up on the web 1000 different times

& places without copyright info attached, provided the

pic has not been edited "second hand/party" all you get

is the number & page info that pic has shown up on the

internet.

Who put it up there? Freakin anybody that's who.

Who owns the copyright? The person who took the pic.

Who is that? Could be any one of the 7+ Billion people

on this planet that's who. No copyright info embedded,

nobody knows.

Unless the photog who took the pic gets pissed off and

goes on a legal rampage...which may not be useful &

productive in the greater scheme of things. Example...

you're a pro...you gonna troll the net looking for your

ripped off pix so legal action can commence? Or go to

work and make some $$$.

Most of us "pro's" have our own websites and/or use

our agencies websites to promo our work. I for one

have never advertised "my" websites because I no

longer have one! Screw that...spent too much time

keeping it updated instead of being out shooting.

I use and only post to other pro's that I personally

know the links to agency websites that host my work.

I make no apologies for this. Tuff luck poachers.

As an example of how easy it is to poach & track

a pic here are 2 pix of the same subject I took

in Malaysia during Thaipusam last week. One has

copyright info attached...the other doesn't and is

supposed to resemble a simple web rip off...cropped.

Neither have exif or iptc info embedded, however,

a simple bit of back to back-front to front matching

will easily duplicate the pic...in a court of law should

that ever be necessary. Plus I have the camera original

on file with all that exif & iptc data enbedded.

See how easy it is.