Thai prosecutors press criminal charges against ex-PM Yingluck

[gchurch259]

And the WITCH HUNT continues

And if I were her I would of ran a long time ago she has no chance of any fair trial or anything with a government that imposed itself at the point of a gun

Which they did for a very good reason, and it is all coming out now ...

Nope they did it to take over the country the only way they could at the point of a gun because they could not win a fair election pure and simple.

I hope you have a big off shore account and home overseas to go to, if you keep issuing these comments there will be a knock at your door.

Dear General/PM Keep flushing the devise until the water is clear !!

[JAG]

Little threat there was it "Gchurch259"?

Bought into suppression of free speech have we?

[Baerboxer]

"The move is widely seen as an attempt to cripple the political machine of Yingluck's brother, former Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra, who was ousted in the 2006 coup, and to prevent his allies from returning to power."

The move is widely seen as seeking justice with the former PM Yingluck's self-financing scheme having lost 700 billion Baht and she frequently stating the scheme reached it's goal, she to be in charge.

In the civilized Western world it's seen as a political agenda. In the civilized world the junta is seen as illegitimate and illegal and lacking standing to prosecute anyone.

I have seen no proof that Yingluck stole the rice money herself. I have seen allegations of negligence.

This is a political cleansing to rid Thailand of the Shinawatra influence.

If criminal charges are to be brought they should have proof as to who the thieves were. Buying rice for above market price isn't illegal. Stealing that rice, cooking the books and so on is illegal. Who did that? Are they saying that YS did?

Brought to you by an American, whose government spokesmen was very careful to point out this might possibly be seen as political motivated by some given the current context. A little different from your interpretation of his words and your assertion you know what the civilized world really thinks and that a minor American diplomat, no disrespect to Mr. Russell, can speak on behalf of the whole civilized world.

Talking of legitimate government. The US was created by murdering, forcible removing, starving, breaking countless treatise and agreements with the Native American peoples. The US government came into being following an illegal revolution, which might have been morally right but nevertheless was treason at the time, and expanded at the expense of Native Americans. So you would support giving all the land that was stolen, taken by force and by breaking treaties at will back to the Native Americans?

I think they are saying YL should be charged with criminal negligence - absolutely failing to make any effort to manage the scheme, chair meetings, follow up on actions and react to all the warnings from home and abroad.

Rather than answer questions she follows the usual Shin clan line - 'I've not done anything wrong, everything was fine, no problems in the scheme, the poor farmers benefited (lie), and the big whopper - 'it's all political".

They must be the only family in the world that believes they can claim "political persecution" every time they get caught lying, cheating and breaking laws.

[jimky]

My limited perspective is getting elected to government in Thailand seems like joining the mafia, in far more ways than one.

[rubl]

Some reading for the TV yellow cheer-leading squad so they might just get it...

http://www.forbes.com/sites/dougbandow/2015/02/18/liberty-dies-as-thailands-military-monopolizes-power-junta-dispenses-repression-instead-of-happiness/

Disclaimer" "Opinions expressed by Forbes Contributors are their own."

[ronwparker]

She is just a puppet for her brother-it will be interesting to see if she is allowed to escape by this government!

[Baerboxer]

Effectively a criminal organisation filing criminal charges against a person perceived as a criminal.

What a farce. If I were YS I would challenge it under the fact that the current gov has no legitimacy under international law and therefore it is them who should be facing criminal charges for treason.

What are you talking about? International law - what international law would that be? The one Obama and Putin say it is?

Thailand is a sovereign state subject to the laws of Thailand. Even Yinggy's less than stellar legal team know challenging the legitimacy of the current Royally approved government would be a tad dangerous given the strict LM laws.

[rubl]

So, Ms. yingluck can look forward to another appointment in 45 days. That would be just before Songkhran I guess.

Looking forward to the masses getting nervous again with an Amply Rich lady being asked to take the responsibility she always claimed as hers.

[technologybytes]

of 2 things I am sure.

1/ There is no chance of a fair trial.

2/ She will not ever spend a day in jail.

[Baerboxer]

The Office of the Attourney General is nothing but an appointed committee of suckhole public servants who have been anti-PTP from the very beginning, that's why they got the job.

"If we give you the job, will you go after Yingluck?" "yes sir of course if that's what you want."

There will be no peace in Thailand, no reconciliation until this kangaroo court system is eliminated.

These paid proxies of the elite have zero credibility, and the people of Thailand know it.

The general and all the hangers on, all the big end of town, think that this will solve their dilemma, but they are dreaming, the people will get fed up soon and there will be a big push back.

These clowns will never learn, they could quite easily bring the PTP back into the system and make a government of reconciliation, but no, it's all about pushing their advantage.

How many government contracts have been signed since the coup?

How many deals have been done with the elite families and their companies?

What a farce.

These guys deserve everything they will get when the people have had enough.

Rubbish. The OAG usually sit on the fence and are reluctant to prosecute cases against anyone they think important, connected or who might come back and bite them.

Was Yinggy prosecuted for perjury - nope. Was Thaksin prosecuted for inciting the 2010 terrorist insurgency and prolonging it for his own agenda - nope. Even though the OAG at the time admitted there was overwhelming evidence he said that Thaksin was out of the country at the time so couldn't be prosecuted. His successor promised to review that decision and 2-3 years later we're still waiting. Nat and Jat are still free as birds. The list goes on. Only minor normal people get actually tried, convicted and put in prison,

Yingluck and her cousing Surapong have simply ignored repeated questions on the illegal issuing and hand delivering of a new Thai passport to their criminal fugitive leader and relation, since 2011!

I agree, the Shins and their gang do deserve all they get now the people have had enough.

[Baerboxer]

It's the leaders of illegal coups that need to be arrested, not the winners of landslide elections. The verdict on PM's should be at the polls and not in court on trumped up charges at the behest of a military junta. Thailand = Burma+ electricity, a sad state of affairs.

Deluded.

Mugabe, Hun Set, democratically elected and as honest and amply rich as their friend the owner and master of PTP.

[Baerboxer]

Some reading for the TV yellow cheer-leading squad so they might just get it...

http://www.forbes.com/sites/dougbandow/2015/02/18/liberty-dies-as-thailands-military-monopolizes-power-junta-dispenses-repression-instead-of-happiness/

Very nice summary.

Freedom House, HRW, the usual commentators.

Never any mention of Thaksin's conviction, bail jumping, and the 15 other serious criminal (note criminal) charges awaiting should he return before the SOL expire.

Nope - Thaksin the Innocent, never done any wrong, the odd honest mistake including attempted bribery of judges, and all he ever wanted was to make all the rich in 6 months.

The sort of organizations that used to believe the old Warsaw Pact countries really were democratic and run by the people.

[JAG]

It's the leaders of illegal coups that need to be arrested, not the winners of landslide elections. The verdict on PM's should be at the polls and not in court on trumped up charges at the behest of a military junta. Thailand = Burma+ electricity, a sad state of affairs.

Deluded.

Mugabe, Hun Set, democratically elected and as honest and amply rich as their friend the owner and master of PTP.

Dear me, trotting out Mugabe, Hun Set, and any other dictator, past or present to make a point against Yingluck or indeed an other Thai political figure(including the present boss man) is an utterly irrelevant arguement, which only serves to make .... well no point at all really!

[Equalizer]

Similarly someone has passed construction to go ahead on a tunnel leading into Central road that will cost millions. Apart from the fact it will flood, plus the fact central road itself does not have the capacity to take any more traffic the project is pointless and a waste of money. Now i know that putting a huge roundabout there would not only overcome the issues this tunnel is trying to alleviate but it would cost one tenth the amount. Why has this not been considered? Simple, the brown envelopes are not big enough and no one here can drive nor have the brains to give way to traffic coming from the right. This so called rice scam went the same way. It was not the fact it could have worked it was the fact greed on all quarters doomed it to failure.

[thaigold]

Subsidies are not criminal or theft. It's what civilized and advanced countries do for the betterment of all citizens, not just the city dwellers

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1. The database tracks $256 billion in farm subsidies from commodity, crop insurance, and disaster programs and $39 billion in conservation payments paid between 1995 and 2012. Crop insurance cost to US taxpayers in 2012. Cost of crop insurance over the next ten years.

[Lovekorat]

Thailand under the rule of the general with all his medals for military heroism frightens me just as much as England under Cromwell.

I am on neither side but it is now clear what the coup was really all about it.

lets fix the rules so we win because we cannot win in a straight fight.

Cromwells result was Civil war. We should learn from history.

I thought the reason for the coup was to bring peace to the streets? This is really going to do that.

Yingluck charged with corruption.Mmm

People who live in glass houses shouldnt throw stones.

And so it begins.......

[brucec64]

And the WITCH HUNT continues

And if I were her I would of ran a long time ago she has no chance of any fair trial or anything with a government that imposed itself at the point of a gun

Which they did for a very good reason, and it is all coming out now ...

Nope they did it to take over the country the only way they could at the point of a gun because they could not win a fair election pure and simple.

I hope you have a big off shore account and home overseas to go to, if you keep issuing these comments there will be a knock at your door.

Dear General/PM Keep flushing the devise until the water is clear !!

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1. a person who acts obsequiously toward someone important in order to gain advantage.

   synonyms: yes-man, bootlicker, brown-noser, toady, lickspittle, flatterer, flunky, lackey, spaniel, doormat, stooge, cringer, suck, suck-up

   "I thought you wanted a competent assistant, not a nodding sycophant"

[JAG]

"The move is widely seen as an attempt to cripple the political machine of Yingluck's brother, former Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra, who was ousted in the 2006 coup, and to prevent his allies from returning to power"

This move might have the unintended consequences of raising the sympathy factor for YL and subsequently and PT related / influenced party during the next elections (whenever that might be).

There is also the danger that this sets a precedent for future politicians in implementing any policies that might be for the good of the country - in the event the policy does not work out for whatever reason, the politicians involved would be personally liable for both the financial losses suffered as well as serve jail time. This would effectively cripple any sort of innovative thinking or ideas, keeping Thailand as a 3rd world country and continuously slipping back down the slope until they join the likes of Congo and Somalia.

I doubt they care, they reason that after the reforms (and they have managed a certain imminent sad event and its ensuing consequences) they are going to remain in power indefinitely. Therefore no need to worry about the future.

Of course this is the 21st century not the last quarter of the 20th century, in which this mindset belongs, and they may be proved wrong fairly quickly. Much more difficult to control society these days!

[Baerboxer]

It's the leaders of illegal coups that need to be arrested, not the winners of landslide elections. The verdict on PM's should be at the polls and not in court on trumped up charges at the behest of a military junta. Thailand = Burma+ electricity, a sad state of affairs.

Deluded.

Mugabe, Hun Set, democratically elected and as honest and amply rich as their friend the owner and master of PTP.

Dear me, trotting out Mugabe, Hun Set, and any other dictator, past or present to make a point against Yingluck or indeed an other Thai political figure(including the present boss man) is an utterly irrelevant arguement, which only serves to make .... well no point at all really!

A bit too clever for you to make the link eh?

Mugabe and Hun Set, Thaksin's buddies and also both ex terrorists, also win landslide elections (although not based on large minority). The point is, winning an election is no guarantee that the winner will govern democratically, honestly and respect the law,

Trumped charges should be easy to defend with answers based on fact. Will Yingluck be presenting facts, figures and answer all questions this time? Looks like the standard "I'm a nice innocent girl, just looking after the poor and did nothing wrong" speech isn't an option this time.

[marcusd]

"The move is widely seen as an attempt to cripple the political machine of Yingluck's brother, former Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra, who was ousted in the 2006 coup, and to prevent his allies from returning to power."

The move is widely seen as seeking justice with the former PM Yingluck's self-financing scheme having lost 700 billion Baht and she frequently stating the scheme reached it's goal, she to be in charge.

In the civilized Western world it's seen as a political agenda. In the civilized world the junta is seen as illegitimate and illegal and lacking standing to prosecute anyone.

I have seen no proof that Yingluck stole the rice money herself. I have seen allegations of negligence.

This is a political cleansing to rid Thailand of the Shinawatra influence.

If criminal charges are to be brought they should have proof as to who the thieves were. Buying rice for above market price isn't illegal. Stealing that rice, cooking the books and so on is illegal. Who did that? Are they saying that YS did?

Actually whilst I agree with you on many points this is not correct in SUBSTANCE ONLY. Morals it is correct but the fact is, if you are an EXECUTIVE in any position in any company or busines sin the worls and you see something not right or you fail to look at what is going on as they say "under your watch" then at LAW you are guilty.

She wa sthe HEAD of Government and failed to take measures to halt the losses which even the bannks rejected.

So under law in any country - sh eis guilty by just being the head of government and NOT taking actions to halt losses or corruption which had been highlighted to her

If a company she would have the book thrown at her and be in SERIOUS trouble.

I feel they will scapegoat her take a few shin billions and let it all go and simmer underneath and the billions will again accumulate for the Shin clans

[Baerboxer]

Subsidies are not criminal or theft. It's what civilized and advanced countries do for the betterment of all citizens, not just the city dwellers

.

1. The database tracks $256 billion in farm subsidies from commodity, crop insurance, and disaster programs and $39 billion in conservation payments paid between 1995 and 2012. Crop insurance cost to US taxpayers in 2012. Cost of crop insurance over the next ten years.

Agreed.

But this wasn't a subsidy budgeted for. It was hailed as a self financing scheme. Billions of baht are unaccounted, the supposed beneficiaries the poor gained very little if anything, the scheme appears not to have had any real financial management and inventory appears to have been stolen, substituted with lower quality and allowed to rot. Export documentation was allegedly forged and G2G deals supposedly negotiated and signed by the PM herself were found to be lies.

The whole thing was mismanaged and Yingluck did SFA about it. It was either designed as a feeding frenzy for friends of the Shin clan regime or quickly deteriorated unchecked into that. And the person in charge, self appointed, who never bothered to even attend meetings? She still maintains there are no problems and its a good scheme.

[rubl]

Thailand under the rule of the general with all his medals for military heroism frightens me just as much as England under Cromwell.

I am on neither side but it is now clear what the coup was really all about it.

lets fix the rules so we win because we cannot win in a straight fight.

Cromwells result was Civil war. We should learn from history.

I thought the reason for the coup was to bring peace to the streets? This is really going to do that.

Yingluck charged with corruption.Mmm

People who live in glass houses shouldnt throw stones.

And so it begins.......

Frightened about England under Cromwell ? And I thought I was old.

Anyway, from what I remember of history lessons as far as small Islands were covered in the Netherlands, Cromwell was part of Civil war, not the cause of it. That was before our Admiral de Ruyter sailed up to Chadham I think.

Anyway, none of this has anything to do with trying to get a former PM to explain a self-financing scheme which lost 700 billion Baht. The fact that she's cute, or Amply rich doesn't mean she can or should get away with that.

[Sparkles]

Will be a long running soap opera and we are yet to hear from her untouchable brother that conned her into this position in the first place.

I'm sure he is very concerned for her welfare and will come back to stand by her.

[JAG]

It's the leaders of illegal coups that need to be arrested, not the winners of landslide elections. The verdict on PM's should be at the polls and not in court on trumped up charges at the behest of a military junta. Thailand = Burma+ electricity, a sad state of affairs.

Deluded.

Mugabe, Hun Set, democratically elected and as honest and amply rich as their friend the owner and master of PTP.

Dear me, trotting out Mugabe, Hun Set, and any other dictator, past or present to make a point against Yingluck or indeed an other Thai political figure(including the present boss man) is an utterly irrelevant arguement, which only serves to make .... well no point at all really!

A bit too clever for you to make the link eh?

Mugabe and Hun Set, Thaksin's buddies and also both ex terrorists, also win landslide elections (although not based on large minority). The point is, winning an election is no guarantee that the winner will govern democratically, honestly and respect the law,

Trumped charges should be easy to defend with answers based on fact. Will Yingluck be presenting facts, figures and answer all questions this time? Looks like the standard "I'm a nice innocent girl, just looking after the poor and did nothing wrong" speech isn't an option this time.

Im sure that you are jolly clever Baerboxer, probably much cleverer than me. But the" link" only exists in your fertile (and incomparably clever) imagination.

[djjamie]

Just as a football coach is blamed for his teams constant losses as opposed to the players we are at last seeing the rice chairwomen being held to account for the scams losses.

May 2013 "The Bank for Agriculture and Agricultural Cooperatives (BAAC) stated "almost all of the 410 billion baht has been spent, and what is left may be inadequate". What did yingluvk do when this was stated? Nothing. That is when she should have been held to account.

13th of September 2013 - The cabinet approved a total budget of 270 billion baht for the government’s rice pledging scheme, Deputy Commerce Minister Yanyong Puangraj. OK….Seems like they had the money to fund the scheme then…All OK. Nothing to see here. Back to business. Well done yingluck.

16th of September - THE FINANCE MINISTRY’s sub-committee assessing the cost of the rice pledging scheme fears the scheme will break budget. Hang on? The PTP stated on the 13th they had the budget approved to fund the scheme so all good.

September 25, 2013 - Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra has said the government was not considering further loans because it would have enough money from selling rice from its stocks to fund the scheme." Well done yingluck. This constant reinforcement, not from millers, not from warehouse owners, but from the PM, defense minister and chairwomen of the scam certainly puts my mind at ease. If you cannot believe the PM and rice chairwomen then who can you believe? After all she was the rice chairwomen.

8th of October - The World Bank said that the rice pledging scheme had proven to be the most costly and would ring up a bill of 115 billion to 150 billion baht per harvest. The reply - Deputy Prime Minister and Commerce Minister Niwatthamrong Bunsongphaisan today categorically dismissed the World Bank’s estimate that the Thai government will incur up to 400 billion baht in losses from the rice pledging scheme for two harvests. He went on to say the Finance Ministry should help secure more funding to meet the 270 billion baht target already approved by the cabinet to be used for the 2013-14 harvests. Hang on…yingluck stated 15 days earlier they won't need to secure more funding? The commerce minister should speak to yingluck about this. She was the chairwomen after all so she would know.

Nov 23^rd - The Commerce Ministry stood firm that it had enough budget to subsidize the rice pledging plan which needs a circulating fund of Bt500 billion". Ahhh good. The commerce minister spoke to yingluck.

12th November 2013 - IMF called on Thailand to ditch rice support scheme. No need IMF. yingluck stated all was good.

9th of Decmeber 2013 - House dissolved.

People can see fault with the Junta persecuting yingluck for following the rule of law and the banks because they do not want to solicit loans because of legality concerns and they don't want to undermine the confidence of their investors yet these same people cannot see fault with the PTP after they were warned 3 times in the 3 months leading up to dissolution that they would run out of money. They told the public numerous times they did have the money for the season up to February, 2014 which was a lie. And the cherry on the cake is the Deputy PM denouncing the World Bank, demanding to know where they got the figures while saying they were wrong and the PTP were right. Guess what…..The PTP were wrong! yoingluck was wrong and she lied.

When ever my 4 year old son does something wrong he blames his 6 year old sister for it. Most logical people would say it is really him that did something wrong. Now if my 4 year old son was the PTP and his 6 year old sister was the DEM's some would say my son is an angel and my daughter is a devil.

Does anyone think the PTP should have listened to the independent organizations that the PTP denounced because they don't agree with the PTP?

Does anyone think the PTP should have been honest and transparent with the public and told them they have no money and they need to get a loan?

Does anyone think a responsible government knowing they have no money would dissolve parliament without ensuring they had liquidity to fund the rice scheme?

Does anyone think an accountable transparent government would blame everyone else for it's own shortfalls?

Some hold a stubborn ignorance and blind devotion to a regime that lacks transparency, accountability and honesty.

I hope she spends many many years in jail giving her time to understand that holding the voters and all Thai citizens in contempt and lying to them does not pay.

You start with mentioning a football coach being responsible for his teams losses, but he doesn't go to jail. At worst he is fired. What. Is. Your. Point?

Where in the above do you mention that YS committed a crime? I don't see it.

Where in the above do you mention that YS committed a crime? I don't see it.

Exactly. I know you don't see it and that is why the "some" in the below was in reference to you and others.

Some hold a stubborn ignorance and blind devotion to a regime that lacks transparency, accountability and honesty.

You understand the criminal charges are for negligence right? Negligence…. Definition - failure to take proper care in doing something.

Example of negligence - "the government was not considering further loans because it would have enough money" only to find out they didn't have enough money

Example of negligence - Not attending one rice meeting when you are the chairwoman of the scheme.

Example of negligence - Allowing your commerce minister to also lie to the public knowing full well the scheme had run out of money

Example of negligence - Dissolving parliament knowing full well they had no liquidity to fund the scheme.

Example of negligence - Three separate agencies warned the PTP they would run out of money and the PTP denounced them instead of taking the information on board.

And they are just examples from my statement.

So I hope the woman that never attended one rice council meeting while being the chairman of it, the woman that said there were 0% irregularities in the scheme when their were, the women that said there is no corruption in the scheme when there was, the women that transferred and sacked anyone (Supa) that dared suggest there were irregularities in the scheme is held to account for this negligence and for anyone to suggest she was not negligent, I say one thing.

CAN I BE THE CEO OF YOUR COMPANY!!!!!!

Edited February 19, 2015 by djjamie

[metisdead]

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[wabothai]

Kind of weird to think about it.

Yinluck in jail and brother dear, putting her there, drinking champagne (rothschild) with caviar in his not too cheap hotel room.

It just does not add up. I really think she should join him.

[thaimat]

Experts say the impeachment and criminal charges are the latest attempt by the country's royalist elite, and its army backers, to extinguish the political influence of the Shinawatras, whose parties have won every election since 2001.

Says it all, its the only way the yellows can get back in power by hunting down all those that WILL BEAT them again in a fair election they cant win so they get the military to take over and start their witch hunt

Its a joke that Prayut is saying they are trying to reconcile the country and the opposition is silenced and is not allowed to have a voice against what is going on

COMPLETE JOKE

"Fair election"? That's the complete joke in this post.

[Alwyn]

next the General will be p*ssing and moaning that the US will be condemning this as politically motivated. Whereas we all know it's not politically motivated, right... It's motivated by the rich elite puppet masters of the General

[soalbundy]

When will she be arrested?

She is scouting the border.