Thaddeus Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 He's a buffoon. There's no one Thai word for rolling pin, does that mean they don't exist in Thailand? I bought one a while back, the label said "Rolling Flower" I thought 'nah, that's a triffid' Some words just don't cross cultural boundaries that well. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caveat Emptor Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 Just one of the many words that don't exist in Thai such as responsibility, honesty, free speech, democracy and so many more but as long as someone displays Thainess they're doing things correctly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdinasia Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 Just one of the many words that don't exist in Thai such as responsibility, honesty, free speech, democracy and so many more but as long as someone displays Thainess they're doing things correctly. All of those words exist in Thai. Integrity would require action on your part if you believe the idea behind your post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trogers Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 Integrity cannot exist with patronage. This is why the word cannot be found in the Thai vocabulary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neeranam Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 He's a buffoon. There's no one Thai word for rolling pin, does that mean they don't exist in Thailand? I bought one a while back, the label said "Rolling Flower" I thought 'nah, that's a triffid' Some words just don't cross cultural boundaries that well. Actually, they are called "mai nuad baeng" Interity is อย่างตรงไปตรงมา or ความสมบูรณ์ของ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angiolo Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 I often teach English in Thailand. Free,no charge. My students swear to attend all classes and be on time. HOO HOO HO 555 LOL HA HA HA. Integrity ...you must be joking. So after a few lessons I usually give up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iReason Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 This is what google translate says ความสมบูรณ์ The guy hasn't looked at a dictionary. http://www.thai2english.com/dictionary/integrity.html But all of these relate to completeness not honesty and high morality. e.g. high tensile steel has a greater integrity than low tensile steel. Correct. It say's nothing about; "...integrity as "the quality of being honest and having strong moral principles". "In essence, a person with integrity is a person who puts principles first." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iReason Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 "he hit an obstacle. The snag was the English word "integrity" "Eventually he confessed that there was no Thai word for it." "That might explain, he quipped, why there are so few men with integrity in Thai society." "But Teeranun did single out one model of this rare virtue" There you have it folks. I would like to thank the author of this article, Achara Deboonme, for validating what I have been saying for years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmptyHead Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 (edited) I know plenty of Thai with integrity. P.S. There is no Thai word for free either, but i have had plenty of free stuff. Edited February 24, 2015 by EmptyHead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trogers Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 This is what google translate says ความสมบูรณ์ The guy hasn't looked at a dictionary.http://www.thai2english.com/dictionary/integrity.html But all of these relate to completeness not honesty and high morality. e.g. high tensile steel has a greater integrity than low tensile steel. Correct. It say's nothing about; "...integrity as "the quality of being honest and having strong moral principles". "In essence, a person with integrity is a person who puts principles first." The ultimate character for Thais is loyal and honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
selftaopath Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 He's a buffoon. There's no one Thai word for rolling pin, does that mean they don't exist in Thailand? Regardless of whether the word exists I have difficulty seeing behavior that even remotely resemble what the word implies. How many knowledgeable individuals believe Thailand is a lost cause w/out much morality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mok199 Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 integrity to a thai is ''never backing down''even from a lie....its an ozymoron in thailand...thais and integrity..impossible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mok199 Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 This is what google translate says ความสมบูรณ์ Well, Google translate. My paper dictionary says "สมบูรณ์" means "completeness", "perfectness", "healthiness" but also "well-fed". For "integrity" it offers "ความซื่อสัตย์", "ความจริงใจ". May be you can find these Thai words in thick dictionaries but they are not well known by Thai people. ความซื่อสัตย์ and ความจริงใจ are known by all Thais. Stop writing nonsense. They mean honesty, not integrity. correct ''kwam sue-a sat and kwam jing jai''..honsety...i would say..rap pit chop...meaning ''responsiblity '' is the closet meaning... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FangFerang Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 " In essence, a person with integrity is a person who puts principles first. Such people are crucial components of any corporate organisation that strives towards long-term sustainability." The first sentence is true. The second sentence is a non-sequitor. The second sentence is EXACTLY the kind of misinformation and obfuscation that the boys on Wall Street use daily. Sustainability is not in the interest of any corporation. Corporations are concerned with sustained profits at any cost, and that is a far cry from sustainability since breaking up corporations for personal golden parachutes is a well-established process. They would happily sell their own mothers to Myanmar slave traders, for the right price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laobali Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 He's a buffoon. There's no one Thai word for rolling pin, does that mean they don't exist in Thailand? I bought one a while back, the label said "Rolling Flower" I thought 'nah, that's a triffid' Some words just don't cross cultural boundaries that well. If the manufacturers knew enough English they could have called it "Rolling Flour". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
katana Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 (edited) KHWAHM SEU-TRONG ความซื่อตรง - probity, integrity Edited February 24, 2015 by katana Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
car720 Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 "bank" and "integrity", can you actually use those words together, my english is failing me oxymoron " a figure of speech in which apparently contradictory terms appear in conjunction " eg Military Intelligence deceptively honest larger half devout atheist Thai integrity. Oh, sorry that is not an oxymoron it is a kwaibah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shiver Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 This is what google translate says ความสมบูรณ์ If you put that word back in google translate and look at all the English nouns on the bottom right hand side, you can see why there might be some confusion for the Thai speaker. I don't think it's a failure of the speaker so much as just being a language with different foundational structure. https://translate.google.com/#th/en/%E0%B8%84%E0%B8%A7%E0%B8%B2%E0%B8%A1%E0%B8%AA%E0%B8%A1%E0%B8%9A%E0%B8%B9%E0%B8%A3%E0%B8%93%E0%B9%8C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mok199 Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 This is what google translate says ความสมบูรณ์ Well, Google translate. My paper dictionary says "สมบูรณ์" means "completeness", "perfectness", "healthiness" but also "well-fed". For "integrity" it offers "ความซื่อสัตย์", "ความจริงใจ". May be you can find these Thai words in thick dictionaries but they are not well known by Thai people. ความซื่อสัตย์ and ความจริงใจ are known by all Thais. Stop writing nonsense. They mean honesty, not integrity. correct ''kwam sue-a sat and kwam jing jai''..honsety...i would say..rap pit chop...meaning ''responsiblity '' is the closet meaning... and of course ''yawm rap pit chop''..means ''to except reponsibility''... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nithisa78 Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 "Eventually he confessed that there was no Thai word for it. That might explain, he quipped, why there are so few men with integrity in Thai society." spot on .... Actually he choosing to make that statement says more about him and his issues than about any other person, anywhere. Integrity starts in his office and flows from there. Assuming any of what was written is true. Same for you, Lucky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bassman Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 Integrity is an amazing word, with no clear distinct definition. It is a core value, an individual standard, above compromise. A few months ago I was fishing under a shade tree and drinking a few beers with two friends and thru the course of discussion I mention that what Thailand lacks above and beyond is integrity. Both friends who are from English speaking countries were perplexed by the word. Neither person was by no means ignorant and both are worldly but neither had a concept of the word. My knowledge of the word came from education while in military service, without that I would not have had clue either. But what an amazing encompassing word. Thailand as well as the rest of planet earth could well learn from an early age the principle of integrity and the core moral values that it implies. So many of us were raised with the principal but without the defined understanding. This word alone should be one of the junta's "core principals". 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggt Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 Personally...I am encouraged for Thai society that they are having this conversation... I have no doubt that there are men who rise above the greed and corruption which is part and parcel to Thai culture...these men should be promoted to the Thai general population as examples that we all should strive to achieve... Where there is integrity...there is honor in one's life... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeijoshinCool Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 He's a buffoon. There's no one Thai word for rolling pin, does that mean they don't exist in Thailand? . I haven't seen one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neeranam Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 He's a buffoon. There's no one Thai word for rolling pin, does that mean they don't exist in Thailand? . I haven't seen one. http://lmgtfy.com/?q=%E0%B9%84%E0%B8%A1%E0%B9%89%E0%B8%99%E0%B8%A7%E0%B8%94%E0%B9%81%E0%B8%9B%E0%B9%89%E0%B8%87 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Somtamnication Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 Integrity does not exist within the Thai vernacular. And neither does "conflict of interest". Just sayin'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neeranam Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 (edited) KHWAHM SEU-TRONG ความซื่อตรง - probity, integrity Yes, the guy in question, despite being educated doesn't know the meaning of the word, "integrity" or else his English/Thai language skills suck. คุณธรรม is the word often used for integrity as is บูรณภาพ Edited February 25, 2015 by Neeranam 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neeranam Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 (edited) Integrity does not exist within the Thai vernacular. And neither does "conflict of interest". Just sayin'. Where did you hear this? Conflict of interest - ผลประโยชน์ทับซ้อน The following link is in Thai - if you can't read it, perhaps you shouldn't be commenting on Thai vernacular. http://lmgtfy.com/?q=%E0%B8%9C%E0%B8%A5%E0%B8%9B%E0%B8%A3%E0%B8%B0%E0%B9%82%E0%B8%A2%E0%B8%8A%E0%B8%99%E0%B9%8C%E0%B8%97%E0%B8%B1%E0%B8%9A%E0%B8%8B%E0%B9%89%E0%B8%AD%E0%B8%99 Edited February 25, 2015 by Neeranam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neeranam Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 (edited) To the vast majority of Thai's 'Money number 1'. And it has to be that way when they see the system is broken and from near the top down everyone doing the same thing. Are you just using this as an excuse to bash Thais? How many similar cases are there in other countries? Edited February 25, 2015 by Neeranam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tif Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 This is what google translate says ความสมบูรณ์ Well, Google translate. My paper dictionary says "สมบูรณ์" means "completeness", "perfectness", "healthiness" but also "well-fed". For "integrity" it offers "ความซื่อสัตย์", "ความจริงใจ". May be you can find these Thai words in thick dictionaries but they are not well known by Thai people. 'Jingjai' or 'Jaijing' is widely used as someone who is honest and trustworthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
connda Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 (edited) Thais have the Buddhist word 'Sila' which is adherence to moral principles. It's not like Thais don't understand the difference between right and wrong. But, I'm not surprised that a convention of bankers would have difficulties in understanding the word integrity, even if they could agree on a universal definition. So I find no surprise that it was contended that 'integrity' isn't easily translated in Thai -- but I completely disagree with that assertion. That sounds like an excuse, and a weak one at that.Now I'm sure some 'Somchai' will come along an say, "How would you know farang, you're not Thai." My reply, "You're correct, I'm not Thai; I'm Buddhist. I understand the concept of Sila; and I understand the word integrity." Perhaps my only lacking is that of 'wrong view': I don't see the world through the eye's of bankers. Perhaps a more interesting conversation would be a discourse on morality within the executive class of the global banking communities. Edited February 25, 2015 by connda 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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