Thai soldiers seize alleged redshirt weapon cache from NE temple

[rubl]

The abbot already stated it was red shirts who stored them there.

One thing is clear - red shirts and violence go hand in hand, always have.

So the 90+ killed red shirts and more than 800 injured in 2010 was attacked by fellow red shirts??

The truth is, both sides are equally primitive and prone to violence!!

Absolutely and clearly shown by the fact that those 93 death include non-red-shirts, like nurses, army personel, police and a multi-colour shirt lady.

[rubl]

Is this weapons cache similar to the one @ Wat Pathum?

"As for the weapons allegedly found inside the temple and shown to the press later, the court said there was no evidence that the firearms were found inside the temple immediately after the incident. The court also questioned how alleged Blackshirts would be able to transport a cache of firearms into the temple without being detected by authorities who had heightened security around the protest site for days before the final military assault on 19 May 2010. The judge added that security forces never sent these weapons to undergo extensive forensic testing, a reluctance he said was "suspicious.""

http://www.khaosodenglish.com/detail.php?newsid=1375784432&section=11

True, true, just like how non-red-shirt related cowardly terrorists lobbed a few grenades on army personal and a reporter that same 19th of May. Must be a figment of someones imagination, or maybe they did it themselves?

It would seem the inquest trying to focus on the deaths only and how they were killed and by whom may have been a bit too selective in what to consider as relevant. Of course a court case with actual charge would see all and any circumstantial information being use by pro or con.

[LuckyLew]

Is this the now daily article on "Monks gone bad"?

Pretty small cache, the reds will not even notice it is gone

[kimamey]

The abbot already stated it was red shirts who stored them there.

One thing is clear - red shirts and violence go hand in hand, always have.

So the 90+ killed red shirts and more than 800 injured in 2010 was attacked by fellow red shirts??

The truth is, both sides are equally primitive and prone to violence!!

Whilst I'm not suggesting that there isn't violence on all sides I seem to remember that the court investigations into the deaths in 2010 claimed most of the shots came from the army. I think someone speaking for the military said they felt that redshirts were to blame in many cases. Unfortunately since nobody from either side is prepared to have a proper court case that's as far as it goes for now.

Is possible that these were planted of course and that the Abbott was either fooled as well or is anti redshirt but then since there will always be people prone to violence on all sides they could belong to redshirt supporters. It's fairly certain if there was any yellowshirt identification then the redshirt PTP supporters would claim that as proof

The simple fact is it's probably connected to redshirts but we can't be absolutely sure.

[ravip]

"The cache consisted of two shotguns, four BB guns, one handgun, one homemade "pen gun," one hand grenade, one rifle, and over a hundred bullets for the firearms, said Maj.Gen. Adisorn."

In my home country we have far more than this legally in private homes. It makes the govt. think twice before attempting a coup. In fact, we've never had one.

This was in my opinion a truly pathetic seizure.

So? Should all other countries follow suit?

Let each hose have its own armoury

[whybother]

Is this weapons cache similar to the one @ Wat Pathum?

"As for the weapons allegedly found inside the temple and shown to the press later, the court said there was no evidence that the firearms were found inside the temple immediately after the incident. The court also questioned how alleged Blackshirts would be able to transport a cache of firearms into the temple without being detected by authorities who had heightened security around the protest site for days before the final military assault on 19 May 2010. The judge added that security forces never sent these weapons to undergo extensive forensic testing, a reluctance he said was "suspicious.""

http://www.khaosodenglish.com/detail.php?newsid=1375784432&section=11

They had weapons inside the protest site. They had everything inside the protest site. They had complete access to the temple from the protest site. If someone can't work out how they got weapons into the temple, they're idiots.

[dickyknee]

The abbot didn't know the weapons were there, but knew who put them there?

How does that work?

[Basil B]

Maybe they were the property of some converts to the brotherhood who converted until the heat died down.

[96tehtarp]

"The cache consisted of two shotguns, four BB guns, one handgun, one homemade "pen gun," one hand grenade, one rifle, and over a hundred bullets for the firearms, said Maj.Gen. Adisorn."

In my home country we have far more than this legally in private homes. It makes the govt. think twice before attempting a coup. In fact, we've never had one.

This was in my opinion a truly pathetic seizure.

So? Should all other countries follow suit?

Let each hose have its own armoury

Well this is an fascinating question. During WW2 Switzerland and Sweden were not invaded by the Nazis, or the Soviets. There is much speculation that this is due in part to the notion that the citizenry in those two counties were armed to the gills with private armories. Both sides, Soviets and Nazis, considered it not worth the hassle of invading.

Thailand major armory bust, one grenade, a BB gun and 100 rounds of ammunition.

This arms cache seizure was was a talking point.

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."

Ebmund Burke

[rubl]

"The cache consisted of two shotguns, four BB guns, one handgun, one homemade "pen gun," one hand grenade, one rifle, and over a hundred bullets for the firearms, said Maj.Gen. Adisorn."

In my home country we have far more than this legally in private homes. It makes the govt. think twice before attempting a coup. In fact, we've never had one.

This was in my opinion a truly pathetic seizure.

So? Should all other countries follow suit?

Let each hose have its own armoury

Well this is an fascinating question. During WW2 Switzerland and Sweden were not invaded by the Nazis, or the Soviets. There is much speculation that this is due in part to the notion that the citizenry in those two counties were armed to the gills with private armories. Both sides, Soviets and Nazis, considered it not worth the hassle of invading.

Thailand major armory bust, one grenade, a BB gun and 100 rounds of ammunition.

This arms cache seizure was was a talking point.

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."

Ebmund Burke

There's also speculation a bit more cynical. All sides needed a go-between and Sweden and especially Switserland were handy. Especially Switserland may have 'profited' a lot from the go-between function.

Back to Thailand, there may still be lots of (older) weapons around from the 60sh and 70sh when the Evil Forces of Communism were countered. The last decades weapons could have been smuggled in or out very easily.

The most serious part of the weapons cache would be the grenade. Too handy a weapon for desperate or angry or drunk people.

[rametindallas]

Red shirts are really stupid! Whenever they hide weapons, they cannot help but put flags, t-shirts, bandanas, udd cards, etc...at the same place. For some unknown reason, they cannot resist it.

They want to show how proud and defiant they are. There's no telling how many cashes there are. When you see one roach in your kitchen, it means you have hundreds or thousands. These people have been brainwashed for many years in Communist-type Red Villages and they believe strongly in their cause.

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Southeast_Asia/LE13Ae01.html

[2fishin2]

Amazing that after the illegal coup caches of weapons were found every time you turned around in the craziest places. For months nothing has been found And now that things are starting to unwind for the supreme junta boy, mysteriously out of thin air another cache is found. Hahahah these guys are really stupid. Wow

[96tehtarp]

100 rounds of ammunition.

ah that would be 99 BB slugs and 1 bird shot cartridge for the shotgun

They are terrorists, insurgents, and republicans and to the last they are red shirt scum. How dare they interfere with the status quo! Communists need to be burned alive in oil drums. A prominent example are the so-called "Red Drum" or "Red Barrel" killings of Lam Sai, Phatthalung Province, Southern Thailand. There, more than 200 civilians [A] (informal accounts speak of up to 3,000) [B] [C] who were accused of helping the communists were burned in red 200-litre oil drums – sometimes after having been killed to dispose of their bodies, and sometimes burned alive. [D] The incident was never thoroughly investigated and none of the perpetrators was brought to justice.[E]

How dare they three finger salute the ruling elite and upset the sublime happiness of the Thai folk. How dare they eat sandwiches, walk, or talk. It has been decreed that such is forbidden for the greater good of the happiness of the Thai people.

Happy, Happy.

[rubl]

Amazing that after the illegal coup caches of weapons were found every time you turned around in the craziest places. For months nothing has been found And now that things are starting to unwind for the supreme junta boy, mysteriously out of thin air another cache is found. Hahahah these guys are really stupid. Wow

Well may I thank you for your contribution. I'll file it under "conspiracy theory".

[MaiChai]

Red shirt movement should be outlawed in Thailand as they are a terrorist organisation.

[JOC]

Red shirt movement should be outlawed in Thailand as they are a terrorist organisation.

Amazing (and sad) to see expats from democratic countries support the ruling elite, who wouldn't piss on them, if they (the expats) were on fire!!

[96tehtarp]

There's also speculation a bit more cynical. All sides needed a go-between and Sweden and especially Switserland were handy. Especially Switserland may have 'profited' a lot from the go-between function.

Back to Thailand, there may still be lots of (older) weapons around from the 60sh and 70sh when the Evil Forces of Communism were countered. The last decades weapons could have been smuggled in or out very easily.

The most serious part of the weapons cache would be the grenade. Too handy a weapon for desperate or angry or drunk people.

You may be correct with your go-between conjecture. There is no doubt many elite Swiss and Swedes profited from their freedom which I still insist was caused by a well armed decentralized populace.

A single grenade an 100 rounds of ammunition does not constitute a weapons cache in anyone's wildest mescaline dreams. It is a "talking point". The junta's PR machine is working effectively, however they haven't yet got a grip on the junta leader's verbal gaffs.

If one wants to know what a real weapons cache looks like, search the net for Syrian Mosul before and after photos. You'll not find a single BB gun mentioned.

Or this. It's a real weapons cache.

A BB gun Pfffffffft!

Edited March 17, 2015 by 96tehtarp

[2fishin2]

Why are there always hand grenades found? Why dont you ever see stories of the police tracing these caches back to the military where they came from? Why does the military always "lose" these arms and nothing is ever said about it? Why are the arms ALWAYS illegal? How do the police know they are illegal so quickly? If illegal arms are such a problem, why doesnt the government make and enforce new rules to try and curb these dangerous items? Why does the junta feel no beds or umbrellas and cleaning up beaches is more important? Just wondering why?

[jdinasia]

Amazing that after the illegal coup caches of weapons were found every time you turned around in the craziest places. For months nothing has been found And now that things are starting to unwind for the supreme junta boy, mysteriously out of thin air another cache is found. Hahahah these guys are really stupid. Wow

Not amazing at all. Catch terrorists and get more intelligence about their operations.

[jdinasia]

Why are there always hand grenades found? Why dont you ever see stories of the police tracing these caches back to the military where they came from? Why does the military always "lose" these arms and nothing is ever said about it? Why are the arms ALWAYS illegal? How do the police know they are illegal so quickly? If illegal arms are such a problem, why doesnt the government make and enforce new rules to try and curb these dangerous items? Why does the junta feel no beds or umbrellas and cleaning up beaches is more important? Just wondering why?

Some weapons come from military inventory, either through theft or pilfering.(pilfering meaning theft by military members who are aligned with the redshirts. Remember Seh Daeng?

Many of the weapons, however, come from neighboring countries.

Any licensed weapon must be kept and used in the way it was licensed... Hidden in a temple means it is automatically illegal.

[Jip99]

Red shirt movement should be outlawed in Thailand as they are a terrorist organisation.

Amazing (and sad) to see expats from democratic countries support the ruling elite, who wouldn't piss on them, if they (the expats) were on fire!!

Neither side would put the fire out.... please don't try and claim the higher moral ground.

[robblok]

Amazing that after the illegal coup caches of weapons were found every time you turned around in the craziest places. For months nothing has been found And now that things are starting to unwind for the supreme junta boy, mysteriously out of thin air another cache is found. Hahahah these guys are really stupid. Wow

Not amazing at all. Catch terrorists and get more intelligence about their operations.

More amazing is that during the rule of the PTP and the grenades thrown and people shot by the reds the police (under orders of Charlem) never seemed able to catch anyone or find anything. One could think that the red and the PTP were close friends and the reds did the dirty work for the PTP without fear of police. That would mean that the government supported terrorists. Wonder if that makes a government illegal.

[SoFarAndNear]

"The suspect contested the charges," said Maj.Gen. Adisorn. "He claimed that Redshirt groups have visited the temple for merit-making, and left behind these belongings when they departed from the temple."

why the red shirts have this nasty habit to hiding weapons in temples like a certain Bangkok temple ...

Why these red shirts have the habit and always place a lot flags and t-shirts at the same places where the police find their weapon caches...

[trogers]

"The cache consisted of two shotguns, four BB guns, one handgun, one homemade "pen gun," one hand grenade, one rifle, and over a hundred bullets for the firearms, said Maj.Gen. Adisorn."

In my home country we have far more than this legally in private homes. It makes the govt. think twice before attempting a coup. In fact, we've never had one.

This was in my opinion a truly pathetic seizure.

Not true. Private citizens in the US cannot legally own live grenades.

He's not referring to the US. Probably Iraq or Afghanistan.

[jdinasia]

"The cache consisted of two shotguns, four BB guns, one handgun, one homemade "pen gun," one hand grenade, one rifle, and over a hundred bullets for the firearms, said Maj.Gen. Adisorn."

In my home country we have far more than this legally in private homes. It makes the govt. think twice before attempting a coup. In fact, we've never had one.

This was in my opinion a truly pathetic seizure.

Not true. Private citizens in the US cannot legally own live grenades.

He's not referring to the US. Probably Iraq or Afghanistan.

Switzerland I think. Someplace with an armed militia as opposed to an actual army

[rubl]

Why are there always hand grenades found? Why dont you ever see stories of the police tracing these caches back to the military where they came from? Why does the military always "lose" these arms and nothing is ever said about it? Why are the arms ALWAYS illegal? How do the police know they are illegal so quickly? If illegal arms are such a problem, why doesnt the government make and enforce new rules to try and curb these dangerous items? Why does the junta feel no beds or umbrellas and cleaning up beaches is more important? Just wondering why?

Well, maybe the stuff didn't come from the Thai military. Lots of stuff available in Cambodia and Laos.

As for illegal, well it may be that even in Thailand you need a permit and last year we had a two week period anyone could handover stuff they just happened to have laying around. A few roadside discoveries were suddenly made, as if some were too shy to go to the police station themselves.

Oh, by the way, somewhat amusing you want the current government to be somewhat 'oppressive'

[Warpath]

Amazing that after the illegal coup caches of weapons were found every time you turned around in the craziest places. For months nothing has been found And now that things are starting to unwind for the supreme junta boy, mysteriously out of thin air another cache is found. Hahahah these guys are really stupid. Wow

Not amazing at all. Catch terrorists and get more intelligence about their operations.

More amazing is that during the rule of the PTP and the grenades thrown and people shot by the reds the police (under orders of Charlem) never seemed able to catch anyone or find anything. One could think that the red and the PTP were close friends and the reds did the dirty work for the PTP without fear of police. That would mean that the government supported terrorists. Wonder if that makes a government illegal.

The police couldn't catch the terrorists because the army wouldn't let them into their barracks.

[halloween]

I'll bet Thaksin kicked the cat when he found out what was in that arms cache he paid a million baht to set up.

[tbthailand]

How very convenient that the "Redshirt memorabilia" was found with the weapon-cache!!

as though that never happened before...

[JAG]

Red shirts are really stupid! Whenever they hide weapons, they cannot help but put flags, t-shirts, bandanas, udd cards, etc...at the same place. For some unknown reason, they cannot resist it.

They want to show how proud and defiant they are. There's no telling how many cashes there are. When you see one roach in your kitchen, it means you have hundreds or thousands. These people have been brainwashed for many years in Communist-type Red Villages and they believe strongly in their cause.

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Southeast_Asia/LE13Ae01.html

Ah, the brain washed commies raise their heads above the parapet again!