UDD's request to commemorate 2010 bloodshed rejected

[brucec64]

the UDD and Taksin used these paid protesters as human pawns. They fired them up (no pun intended) and sent in their own armed thugs to escalate the violence to further Taksin's personal thirst for power and greed. The first people killed from this UDD protest were innocent protesters on the opposing side that were blown up with RPG's (by the UDD thugs), the next was the military personnel including a high ranking member.

They started it, they got what they asked for. They wanted martyrs for Taksin's cause. This needs to be shown for what it is and not glorified. Taksin needs to be held responsible for this along with those guilty of terrorism.

If there is karma, I can't wait for it to happen.

Seems like a lot of similarities to events in 2014. Violence used to block an election, these acts were provocation that escalated to further violence, and the resulting dead were used as a reason to overthrow the government.

No side is innocent in these ongoing conflicts, except one side used pawns to get an election, while the other side used pawns to take a government down.

if you are blind or a bit retarded there may look to be similarities but there really is very few similarities. It was again the reds that created the violence against peaceful protesters in 2014 that were NOT barricaded and were NOT armed (although they did arm themselves later on after they were bombed and shot at many times) and did not come to the protests with the mandate to burn down Bkk. The protesters in 2014 were the victims of red violence as were many innocents including many children that were again blown up by RPG's by the red thug terrorists.

How you can keep spinning this insane stupidity when the facts are right there for you to see is beyond reason. It just goes to show the true ignorance of the human race and leaves me with little hope of a sane future.

On Feb 2 the "peaceful" protesters were not so peaceful and stole an election.

Insults don't make you intelligent, just the last refuge of those who have run out of arguments. Like I said before, both sides are guilty of violence and inciting violence. Only someone who is morally bankrupt and lacking a moral compass tries to rationalize that one side was allegedly less violent and that gives them a moral high ground. This stance does show true ignorance, but you are obviously not bright enough to see your hypocrisy.

[JAG]

The "ALLSEEINGEYE" obviously only sees what it wants to see!

[Pimay1]

UDD, had never any concern about the dead.

They are just hypocrites trying to make it a political issue for their gains and have no respect about anything as they proved before.

It is a black moment for the Thai history and should not be used for political purposes, but have some respect for the deceased.

rubbish again costas they have turned this INTO a political football by denying people the right to mourn

show some respect for the deceased

One thing I will never respect is a red shirt. Dead or alive.

I doubt that they have much time for you either!

As you probably know I don't like the red shirts but I do like your response.

[Robby nz]

This is just another attempt to keep the hate generated back then going.

They have lost so much support now what with the way their Govt treated their supporters, in particular the poor farmers that they have to try any way they can to put the focus back on their version of events in 2010 and get the hate going anew.

The idea would be to remind people that it was their family and friends who died and lay blame.

These leaders will soon need all the support they can get as they have no Govt and parliamentary privilege to protect them now.

[brucec64]

the UDD and Taksin used these paid protesters as human pawns. They fired them up (no pun intended) and sent in their own armed thugs to escalate the violence to further Taksin's personal thirst for power and greed. The first people killed from this UDD protest were innocent protesters on the opposing side that were blown up with RPG's (by the UDD thugs), the next was the military personnel including a high ranking member.

They started it, they got what they asked for. They wanted martyrs for Taksin's cause. This needs to be shown for what it is and not glorified. Taksin needs to be held responsible for this along with those guilty of terrorism.

If there is karma, I can't wait for it to happen.

Seems like a lot of similarities to events in 2014. Violence used to block an election, these acts were provocation that escalated to further violence, and the resulting dead were used as a reason to overthrow the government.

No side is innocent in these ongoing conflicts, except one side used pawns to get an election, while the other side used pawns to take a government down.

........................."except one side used pawns to get an election".........................

So you concede the people who perished in 2010 were sacrificed pawns ? As I have been saying for the past five years ?

As far as the innocent people who died on the public streets at the hands of the redshirts, a terrorist organization working on behalf of PTP, they were just plain murdered as far as I am concerned.

A disgrace to compare the two scenarios.

Typical response by those enamored by a junta government - only look at the facts that support a distorted world view.

The only disgrace is to justify one act of violence while condemning another based solely on who commits the violence. Hypocrisy at its worst.

[NeilSA1]

If the government had been a little smart, they would have arranged a small commemoration and invited some red shirt leaders. Left politics out just for a day, and mourned the death of fellow Thais!!

That would have been a very wise thing to do. Compromise.

(This is why the current government desperately needs good PR advisers.)

Although, on second thoughts the PM would still have got castigated by TV members, for trying to appease the Reds by acting out of character.

[gamini]

If the government had been a little smart, they would have arranged a small commemoration and invited some red shirt leaders. Left politics out just for a day, and mourned the death of fellow Thais!!

Red shirt leaders!! Jutaporn on bail for terrorism and the others who urged their supporters to burn Bangkok down??

[marinediscoking]

I can see the "road to reconciliation" was only words with no actual intention to bring the opposition together. Why not let them have their 5 year remembrance? They could have let it happen and then say "see we do have compassion for all Thai's and want to bring the country back together". Now they have to take this as more "salt on the wound."

They made an exception for the protest at the American embassy so this will be seen to play more into the hands of the PTP as more double standards.

[marinediscoking]

If the government had been a little smart, they would have arranged a small commemoration and invited some red shirt leaders. Left politics out just for a day, and mourned the death of fellow Thais!!

Red shirt leaders!! Jutaporn on bail for terrorism and the others who urged their supporters to burn Bangkok down??

So they were urging them to burn down all of Bangkok? I seem to remember them only mentioning the mall, which was next to the protest site and whose owners were vehement supporters of the yellow shirts.

[rixalex]

I can see the "road to reconciliation" was only words with no actual intention to bring the opposition together.

I can see the "request to commemorate" was only words with no actual intention to remember or pay tribute to anyone, but rather just a handy platform to make a political point.

Those who lost their lives are being shamelessly used in death, just as they were in life.

[rixalex]

If the government had been a little smart, they would have arranged a small commemoration and invited some red shirt leaders. Left politics out just for a day, and mourned the death of fellow Thais!!

Red shirt leaders!! Jutaporn on bail for terrorism and the others who urged their supporters to burn Bangkok down??

So they were urging them to burn down all of Bangkok? I seem to remember them only mentioning the mall, which was next to the protest site and whose owners were vehement supporters of the yellow shirts.

[SoilSpoil]

the UDD and Taksin used these paid protesters as human pawns. They fired them up (no pun intended) and sent in their own armed thugs to escalate the violence to further Taksin's personal thirst for power and greed. The first people killed from this UDD protest were innocent protesters on the opposing side that were blown up with RPG's (by the UDD thugs), the next was the military personnel including a high ranking member.

They started it, they got what they asked for. They wanted martyrs for Taksin's cause. This needs to be shown for what it is and not glorified. Taksin needs to be held responsible for this along with those guilty of terrorism.

If there is karma, I can't wait for it to happen.

Seems like a lot of similarities to events in 2014. Violence used to block an election, these acts were provocation that escalated to further violence, and the resulting dead were used as a reason to overthrow the government.

No side is innocent in these ongoing conflicts, except one side used pawns to get an election, while the other side used pawns to take a government down.

if you are blind or a bit retarded there may look to be similarities but there really is very few similarities. It was again the reds that created the violence against peaceful protesters in 2014 that were NOT barricaded and were NOT armed (although they did arm themselves later on after they were bombed and shot at many times) and did not come to the protests with the mandate to burn down Bkk. The protesters in 2014 were the victims of red violence as were many innocents including many children that were again blown up by RPG's by the red thug terrorists.

How you can keep spinning this insane stupidity when the facts are right there for you to see is beyond reason. It just goes to show the true ignorance of the human race and leaves me with little hope of a sane future.

On Feb 2 the "peaceful" protesters were not so peaceful and stole an election.

Insults don't make you intelligent, just the last refuge of those who have run out of arguments. Like I said before, both sides are guilty of violence and inciting violence. Only someone who is morally bankrupt and lacking a moral compass tries to rationalize that one side was allegedly less violent and that gives them a moral high ground. This stance does show true ignorance, but you are obviously not bright enough to see your hypocrisy.

They stole an election that would have led to civil war by the sheer arrogance of Yingluck's administration. Yingluck should have stepped down after they tried to whitewash her sycophant brother's crime as a thief in the night and got caught red handed! But she hung onto power just like her brother did several times in the past. Calling both sides violent is as ignorant as calling both a murderer and an apple thief a dangerous criminal.

Remember 2006, 2008, 2009, 2010 and 2014? Who was on the receiving end of most of the attacks and who coordinated the daily bombings, grenade attacks ,killing of children, LPG tankers in residential areas, Men in Black, hostage taking of hospitals, blood letting, attack on radio and tv stations, attack on the Nation Tower (2006), trying to attack an army base, blocking the opposition from campaigning, attacking an Asian Summit, snipers killing University students in Ramkhamhaeng, killing of yellow radio dj, do I really need to go on? The list would be endless.

My Thai inlaws are as red as they come and I have encountered their network from nearby. Scary I can tell you. These 'paid' pawns want a civil war! Open your eyes Bruce!

I do agree with you however that the 'other' side, call it the yellows, royalists, military or Democrats is neither the way forward for Thailand. I really don't see a way out actually. The present coup was necessary to calm the situation down but is and won't be a solution. The end game is still on!

Edited April 8, 2015 by SoilSpoil

[marinediscoking]

@rixalex good find I concede your point and have not seen that before. One would have though they would have burned the place down after being slaughtered and only part of a mall was burned. I don't condone it by any means but the current treatment to them by the Junta is only deepening the divide.

[Alwyn]

If the government had been a little smart, they would have arranged a small commemoration and invited some red shirt leaders. Left politics out just for a day, and mourned the death of fellow Thais!!

Best post by far!

[Fat Haggis]

UDD, had never any concern about the dead.

They are just hypocrites trying to make it a political issue for their gains and have no respect about anything as they proved before.

It is a black moment for the Thai history and should not be used for political purposes, but have some respect for the deceased.

rubbish again costas they have turned this INTO a political football by denying people the right to mourn

show some respect for the deceased

One thing I will never respect is a red shirt. Dead or alive.

How very Hi So of you? So you don't live on Issan then or have any Thai friends who voted PTP?

Very inflammatory post there indeed, very surprised it's been allowed to stay?

[LannaGuy]

UDD, had never any concern about the dead.

They are just hypocrites trying to make it a political issue for their gains and have no respect about anything as they proved before.

It is a black moment for the Thai history and should not be used for political purposes, but have some respect for the deceased.

rubbish again costas they have turned this INTO a political football by denying people the right to mourn

show some respect for the deceased

One thing I will never respect is a red shirt. Dead or alive.

disgraceful slur on MILLIONS of Thais

[jdinasia]

If the government had been a little smart, they would have arranged a small commemoration and invited some red shirt leaders. Left politics out just for a day, and mourned the death of fellow Thais!!

Red shirt leaders!! Jutaporn on bail for terrorism and the others who urged their supporters to burn Bangkok down??

So they were urging them to burn down all of Bangkok? I seem to remember them only mentioning the mall, which was next to the protest site and whose owners were vehement supporters of the yellow shirts.

You may wish to take a gander at Arisaman's speech and then get back with us. It includes "bring 1 million empty bottles with you to BKK, we'll fill them there" (paraphrase)

Or the threats made from the stage in May 2010. You will certainly change your tune

[jdinasia]

@rixalex good find I concede your point and have not seen that before. One would have though they would have burned the place down after being slaughtered and only part of a mall was burned. I don't condone it by any means but the current treatment to them by the Junta is only deepening the divide.

Far more than "only part of a mall" was burned.

Were you in Thailand at the time?

[djjamie]

I feel for the poor victims of the violent red shirts in 2010. They are never mentioned or commemorated except by the families with heavy sorrowful hearts who are reminded of the killers of their innocent family members every year because the terrorists hold celebrations commemorations for political gain. I feel for the poor victims families of the UDD who witnessed the UDD leaders drag the corpses of the dead onto the UDD stage for political gain against the wishes of the families and those same families seeing those same leaders commemorate the deaths of the corpses they dragged onto the stage. They are scum.

So many lives could have been saved if not for those same scum UDD leaders. If only they stood by the agreement of early elections. If only they moved out of the protest area when given ample notice. If only they didn't have the men in black terrorizing the citizens. If only they didn't have the leaders threatening that they will "turn the sky red. Blood red." If only….If only…..

That is why they celebrate 2010. To create hate and fear of an opposition which is all the UDD know and cults specialize in.

It is akin to me prodding a policeman continually for 2 months until he finally reacts and then I say "Look what this evil policeman did to me"

Very prudent to cancel this celebration for the sake of all the victims from both sides.

Edited April 8, 2015 by djjamie

[FritsSikkink]

UDD, had never any concern about the dead.

They are just hypocrites trying to make it a political issue for their gains and have no respect about anything as they proved before.

It is a black moment for the Thai history and should not be used for political purposes, but have some respect for the deceased.

rubbish again costas they have turned this INTO a political football by denying people the right to mourn

show some respect for the deceased

Nobody is denied to mourn, you can mourn at home. The red leaders want to make it political and they started all the violence in the first place.

[Baerboxer]

If the government had been a little smart, they would have arranged a small commemoration and invited some red shirt leaders. Left politics out just for a day, and mourned the death of fellow Thais!!

Red shirt leaders!! Jutaporn on bail for terrorism and the others who urged their supporters to burn Bangkok down??

So they were urging them to burn down all of Bangkok? I seem to remember them only mentioning the mall, which was next to the protest site and whose owners were vehement supporters of the yellow shirts.

Then you memory isn't very good ................... or is very selective.

Bring a bottle of petrol with you ring any bells? Or I'll take responsibility - which of cause he never did, never has and never will.

[JOC]

If the government had been a little smart, they would have arranged a small commemoration and invited some red shirt leaders. Left politics out just for a day, and mourned the death of fellow Thais!!

Red shirt leaders!! Jutaporn on bail for terrorism and the others who urged their supporters to burn Bangkok down??

So they were urging them to burn down all of Bangkok? I seem to remember them only mentioning the mall, which was next to the protest site and whose owners were vehement supporters of the yellow shirts.

You may wish to take a gander at Arisaman's speech and then get back with us. It includes "bring 1 million empty bottles with you to BKK, we'll fill them there" (paraphrase)

Or the threats made from the stage in May 2010. You will certainly change your tune

What a shame they didn't burn down all of Bangkok!!

Maybe that would had been the wake-up call badly needed for the elite and their mighty sponsors to realize that their reign is way past the expiry date.

Jatuporn and Arisaman are were brave men, standing up for the people, who over and over again have seen their constitutionally cast votes being voided by the the judiciary and/or the army!!

Look at the present state of Thailand, a "government" trying its very best to reintroduce the good all feudal days, using the three cornerstones to keep people in "their" place.

Not normally an advocate of violence, but I can seriously understand the frustration of some people.

If the frustration some time in the future boils over and turns violent, the responsibility lies solely with elite,

because of their unwillingness to share the power and wealth with those it rightfully belongs to, the Thai people!!

[SoilSpoil]

JOC, Jatuporn and especially Arisman are cowards first class (remember the SC Park escape?) who have sacrificed some of their followers in the power game between the old and the new elite, the Shinawatra Dynasty.

Do you know what rightfully belongs to the Thai people and what started most of this mess? The tax money that Thaksin evaded when he did the Temasak deal. And how about the hundreds of billions of bahts stolen from the State's coffers in the rice scam?

You really want to play that old elite vs poor Thai card? Pure ignorance.

Edited April 9, 2015 by SoilSpoil

[marinediscoking]

@rixalex good find I concede your point and have not seen that before. One would have though they would have burned the place down after being slaughtered and only part of a mall was burned. I don't condone it by any means but the current treatment to them by the Junta is only deepening the divide.

Far more than "only part of a mall" was burned.

Were you in Thailand at the time?

Yes I was and I owned a shop in one of Central's owned mall at the time which had to close on that day so my memory is very clear. Thier protest area was confined on a public road. They did not take over airports, govermment buildings, and dump bodies off bridges. It is obious from you and your yellow supporters and Junta lovers that everything is Thaksins falt directly and thai people who support his policies cannot think for themselves and are just pawns who shot themselves. How dare they want to have a 5 year memorial!

The damage was confined to a very very small area.

[LuckyLew]

Bad call

Let them hold there whatever in some red village up near udon

Saying no will not get a plsotive response and will win no red friemds

[rixalex]

If the government had been a little smart, they would have arranged a small commemoration and invited some red shirt leaders. Left politics out just for a day, and mourned the death of fellow Thais!!

Red shirt leaders!! Jutaporn on bail for terrorism and the others who urged their supporters to burn Bangkok down??

So they were urging them to burn down all of Bangkok? I seem to remember them only mentioning the mall, which was next to the protest site and whose owners were vehement supporters of the yellow shirts.

You may wish to take a gander at Arisaman's speech and then get back with us. It includes "bring 1 million empty bottles with you to BKK, we'll fill them there" (paraphrase)

Or the threats made from the stage in May 2010. You will certainly change your tune

What a shame they didn't burn down all of Bangkok!!

Maybe that would had been the wake-up call badly needed for the elite and their mighty sponsors to realize that their reign is way past the expiry date.

Jatuporn and Arisaman are were brave men, standing up for the people, who over and over again have seen their constitutionally cast votes being voided by the the judiciary and/or the army!!

Look at the present state of Thailand, a "government" trying its very best to reintroduce the good all feudal days, using the three cornerstones to keep people in "their" place.

Not normally an advocate of violence, but I can seriously understand the frustration of some people.

If the frustration some time in the future boils over and turns violent, the responsibility lies solely with elite,

because of their unwillingness to share the power and wealth with those it rightfully belongs to, the Thai people!!

Funny how their 'frustration' didn't manifest itself at the time of the coup in 2006, but years later right at the time when a certain somebody was having his assets frozen. Of course there was no connection between that event, and the red shirts suddenly taking to the streets. A mere coincidence...

[jdinasia]

@rixalex good find I concede your point and have not seen that before. One would have though they would have burned the place down after being slaughtered and only part of a mall was burned. I don't condone it by any means but the current treatment to them by the Junta is only deepening the divide.

Far more than "only part of a mall" was burned.

Were you in Thailand at the time?

Yes I was and I owned a shop in one of Central's owned mall at the time which had to close on that day so my memory is very clear. Thier protest area was confined on a public road. They did not take over airports, govermment buildings, and dump bodies off bridges. It is obious from you and your yellow supporters and Junta lovers that everything is Thaksins falt directly and thai people who support his policies cannot think for themselves and are just pawns who shot themselves. How dare they want to have a 5 year memorial!

The damage was confined to a very very small area.

Lie 1: protest area was confined on a public road.

Lie 2: They didn't take over government buildings.

Lie 3: the damage was confined to a very very small area.

[mikemac]

@rixalex good find I concede your point and have not seen that before. One would have though they would have burned the place down after being slaughtered and only part of a mall was burned. I don't condone it by any means but the current treatment to them by the Junta is only deepening the divide.

Far more than "only part of a mall" was burned.

Were you in Thailand at the time?

Yes I was and I owned a shop in one of Central's owned mall at the time which had to close on that day so my memory is very clear. Thier protest area was confined on a public road. They did not take over airports, govermment buildings, and dump bodies off bridges. It is obious from you and your yellow supporters and Junta lovers that everything is Thaksins falt directly and thai people who support his policies cannot think for themselves and are just pawns who shot themselves. How dare they want to have a 5 year memorial!

The damage was confined to a very very small area.

Lie 1: protest area was confined on a public road.

Lie 2: They didn't take over government buildings.

Lie 3: the damage was confined to a very very small area.

Three lies - YOUR'E OUT !!

[Wilsonandson]

Seen a news report of a memorial prayer meeting at a temple in Patumthani province.

[FritsSikkink]

So they were urging them to burn down all of Bangkok? I seem to remember them only mentioning the mall, which was next to the protest site and whose owners were vehement supporters of the yellow shirts.

You may wish to take a gander at Arisaman's speech and then get back with us. It includes "bring 1 million empty bottles with you to BKK, we'll fill them there" (paraphrase)

Or the threats made from the stage in May 2010. You will certainly change your tune

What a shame they didn't burn down all of Bangkok!!

Maybe that would had been the wake-up call badly needed for the elite and their mighty sponsors to realize that their reign is way past the expiry date.

Jatuporn and Arisaman are were brave men, standing up for the people, who over and over again have seen their constitutionally cast votes being voided by the the judiciary and/or the army!!

Look at the present state of Thailand, a "government" trying its very best to reintroduce the good all feudal days, using the three cornerstones to keep people in "their" place.

Not normally an advocate of violence, but I can seriously understand the frustration of some people.

If the frustration some time in the future boils over and turns violent, the responsibility lies solely with elite,

because of their unwillingness to share the power and wealth with those it rightfully belongs to, the Thai people!!

Let me think who refused to pay the farmers for their rice and who paid them?