Registration of a 8 year old Thai boy in Pattaya

[andre47]

A Thai mama from Surin wants to take her son come here to Pattaya.

The son passed already the admission test for a school in Pattaya. But the school also demands that the child must be registrated (blue book – tambien baan) in Pattaya.

Can somebody help please?

[ROBINPATTAYA]

That is correct, we had to do that for my wife's daughter. We could not pay any money after she passed the same test until we had house book completed. Easy process.

[andre47]

That is correct, we had to do that for my wife's daughter. We could not pay any money after she passed the same test until we had house book completed. Easy process.

but she has no housebook....

she don't know how she can registrate her son here.

[gerry123]

where will she and her so be staying during his time in Pattaya ?? if they are staying with family or relatives i guess it woulnt be to difficult to include them on the house book at that address if renting again include them on the on the owners/landlord book

just a thought maybe a chance or such avenue of possibilitie

[andre47]

where will she and her so be staying during his time in Pattaya ?? if they are staying with family or relatives i guess it woulnt be to difficult to include them on the house book at that address if renting again include them on the on the owners/landlord book

just a thought maybe a chance or such avenue of possibilitie

She is renting a room but the landlord don't want go into this matter. I know, he should help with the registration. It is his obligation. But this is Thailand and it is not working the way it should.

Perhaps she must try to find another landlord who is willing to support her in this matter.

If some ThaiVisa-member could help, it would be great.

[williewolf]

I presume the son is registered in a blue book in Surin. We came across this problem with our niece who live with us. She was born in Uthai Thani and was registered on her grandmas blue book. When it came to her starting school they insisted that she be registered in this area. No problem as we would put her on our book. The procedure was that the householder took the book to the local amphur and they struck her name out. The amphur then wrote a letter along with a copy of the book and we took that to our amphur who transfered her name onto our book.

There is no way round this if a child wants to go to school in that area they must be registered. Does she have no family or friends in the area whose book she could use?

[andre47]

I presume the son is registered in a blue book in Surin. We came across this problem with our niece who live with us. She was born in Uthai Thani and was registered on her grandmas blue book. When it came to her starting school they insisted that she be registered in this area. No problem as we would put her on our book. The procedure was that the householder took the book to the local amphur and they struck her name out. The amphur then wrote a letter along with a copy of the book and we took that to our amphur who transfered her name onto our book.

There is no way round this if a child wants to go to school in that area they must be registered. Does she have no family or friends in the area whose book she could use?

Yes, she and her son are registred in Surin together with the rest of the family. They have a small house there. Here in Pattaya are no other family members.

She don't know what to do. The school starts 18th of this month and it was not easy to find a free place in a goverment (not private) school.

[longstebe]

Does she have any close friends that will put his name on their house book?

[andre47]

Does she have any close friends that will put his name on their house book?

She has some close friends but they don't have housebooks. (Unfortuantely I also don't have. I am renting a house. I'm not the owner.)

[williewolf]

Round here where we live it is not uncommon to have to pay someone to go on their housebook. This is done for schooling, voting and healthcare. As you say school starts on 18th so you need to get moving. You still have to get the paperwork from Surin as well

[andre47]

Round here where we live it is not uncommon to have to pay someone to go on their housebook. This is done for schooling, voting and healthcare. As you say school starts on 18th so you need to get moving. You still have to get the paperwork from Surin as well

Do you know somebody who is willing to take her son into the housebook?

[williewolf]

Round here where we live it is not uncommon to have to pay someone to go on their housebook. This is done for schooling, voting and healthcare. As you say school starts on 18th so you need to get moving. You still have to get the paperwork from Surin as well

Do you know somebody who is willing to take her son into the housebook?

Whoops, sorry I never said I dont live in your area

[rocketboybkk]

Who's paying?

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[Guderian]

The Thais do so love their paperwork and making life inconvenient, even for other Thai people.

[andre47]

And I don't understand the system....

If somebody want to change his hometown...how can he/she do this? Alone ok, but if there are children?

I think that in Thailand there is a compulsory school attendance. How people can comply?

I saw in TV that in Bangkok there are about 1 million people living in illegal "buildings". I'm sure that they don't have blue house books. How they can send their children to school?

[digbeth]

And I don't understand the system....

If somebody want to change his hometown...how can he/she do this? Alone ok, but if there are children?

I think that in Thailand there is a compulsory school attendance. How people can comply?

I saw in TV that in Bangkok there are about 1 million people living in illegal "buildings". I'm sure that they don't have blue house books. How they can send their children to school?

The 'head of house' that is the person in charge of that household's affairs, usually the first named person on the blue book is in charge of informing the Amphur of any move in or out, birth and death, you can do this after having moved to the destination by getting a hold of a person in charge of a blue book and make them move you in to their book, you don't need to do it on both ends.

People renting from unsympathetic landlords can find neighbours or colleagues who owns a house in the city and let them move their kids in to go to school in the city; it's no different than people in the west buying house and move to areas in catchment areas of a good school, only that in Thailand for Thais you don't even need to own the place or have a lease contract to be considered living somewhere, in you are in a blue book somewhere, in the eye of the law, that's you abode.

for corner case, there is a 'central blue book' for people with no known address, either the owner of the house reported them moved out and they didn't move themselves in anywhere after a certain period, or people who got their home repossessed, the bank would also kick them out of the blue book. (From a Landlord's point of view if you have to go to the Amphur everytime a deadbeat disappeared with months of rent in arrears, you'd understand whey most landlords are reluctant to put their tenants on the blue book) but this 'central blue book' is not accepted for most transaction like registering for school in this case or getting a loan.

Being on the central blue book means you're of no fixed address and that's quite a stigma, you can't get loans or vote most people just stay in their parents' blue book back in Issan or whatever, but when the time come after they have kids but don't yet own their own place in town, finding a relative or friends who'd let them move their kids in.

Also if someone on the blue book were taken to courts if they went missing after defaulting on a loan, credit card debts or whatever, bailiffs will come and post notice on the address and they could collect on possessions in that address unless you have evidence otherwise that the stuff in your house were yours, not belonging to that dead beat riff-raff relatives who asked to be moved in 5 years ago and didn't show his face since, so to ask somebody to put your name on their house's blue book depends on trusts and is a big thing

[digbeth]

Just to save you the trip back to Surin,

Once you get a hold of somebody with a blue book who'd let you move the boy in, you can just do it here, no need to do it in Surin also.

It'd be best if the owner/ 'head of house' on the blue book can accompany you to the Amphur, otherwise they'd need to sign some forms in advance and have a letter giving power of attorney to someone to go instead

[andre47]

Just to save you the trip back to Surin,

Once you get a hold of somebody with a blue book who'd let you move the daugter in, you can just do it here, no need to do it in Surin also.

It'd be best if the owner/ 'head of house' on the blue book can accompany you to the Amphur, otherwise they'd need to sign some forms in advance and have a letter giving power of attorney to someone to go instead

Thank you very much for your good explanation.

The problem is that most of the houses which are renting rooms and appartements are not puting their tenants to the blue book. But normally people should register at that place where they are really living.

If somebody know knows somebody who can take her son in the blue book it would be a great help and we can give compensation for the help anyway. Without registration her son can not attend the school here.

[williewolf]

Just to save you the trip back to Surin,

Once you get a hold of somebody with a blue book who'd let you move the boy in, you can just do it here, no need to do it in Surin also.

It'd be best if the owner/ 'head of house' on the blue book can accompany you to the Amphur, otherwise they'd need to sign some forms in advance and have a letter giving power of attorney to someone to go instead

This is NOT correct. The boy is moving to a different area. The head of the household in surin goes to the amphur and removes the boys name. If the boy is to be registered in another area the head householder tells the surin amphur where he is moving to and the amphur issues a letter confirming that he has been struck of the book. This letter then goes to the new amphur where he wants to be registered. I have been on this runaround myself so I do have knowledge of this. I would not lead you astray on this matter as I know how stressful it can be.

There was no way I implied that a return to surin was needed., I was on about the timescale by post.

School starts a week on monday and there ate also uniforms to consider and any embroidery that needs doing.

Did they ask for any paperwork from the boys previous school?

[andre47]

Just to save you the trip back to Surin,

Once you get a hold of somebody with a blue book who'd let you move the boy in, you can just do it here, no need to do it in Surin also.

It'd be best if the owner/ 'head of house' on the blue book can accompany you to the Amphur, otherwise they'd need to sign some forms in advance and have a letter giving power of attorney to someone to go instead

This is NOT correct. The boy is moving to a different area. The head of the household in surin goes to the amphur and removes the boys name. If the boy is to be registered in another area the head householder tells the surin amphur where he is moving to and the amphur issues a letter confirming that he has been struck of the book. This letter then goes to the new amphur where he wants to be registered. I have been on this runaround myself so I do have knowledge of this. I would not lead you astray on this matter as I know how stressful it can be.

There was no way I implied that a return to surin was needed., I was on about the timescale by post.

School starts a week on monday and there ate also uniforms to consider and any embroidery that needs doing.

Did they ask for any paperwork from the boys previous school?

Yes, the mother must also bring a letter from the previous school. The privious teacher will send this document tomorrow by express mail. We will get it monday or tuesday.

If we have to go to Suring for removing the boy from the blue book there we can do it next week. I will ask in the amphur office whether we have to do this.

To buy a uniform and the books is no problem at all. This can be done quickly.

[digbeth]

Just to save you the trip back to Surin,

Once you get a hold of somebody with a blue book who'd let you move the boy in, you can just do it here, no need to do it in Surin also.

It'd be best if the owner/ 'head of house' on the blue book can accompany you to the Amphur, otherwise they'd need to sign some forms in advance and have a letter giving power of attorney to someone to go instead

This is NOT correct. The boy is moving to a different area. The head of the household in surin goes to the amphur and removes the boys name. If the boy is to be registered in another area the head householder tells the surin amphur where he is moving to and the amphur issues a letter confirming that he has been struck of the book. This letter then goes to the new amphur where he wants to be registered. I have been on this runaround myself so I do have knowledge of this. I would not lead you astray on this matter as I know how stressful it can be.

There was no way I implied that a return to surin was needed., I was on about the timescale by post.

School starts a week on monday and there ate also uniforms to consider and any embroidery that needs doing.

Did they ask for any paperwork from the boys previous school?

This is BOTH correct,

you can either go to the origin local and inform them of the moving out, and go to the destination and move in

or you could initiate the whole thing at the destination Amphur where they will send a letter to the original household to go to their respective Amphur to update the blue book by having the person struck out

whatever's more convenient, the computer systems's connected, they can process the moving out request and moving in anywhere

here's a guideline (in Thai)

[williewolf]

Just to save you the trip back to Surin,

Once you get a hold of somebody with a blue book who'd let you move the boy in, you can just do it here, no need to do it in Surin also.

It'd be best if the owner/ 'head of house' on the blue book can accompany you to the Amphur, otherwise they'd need to sign some forms in advance and have a letter giving power of attorney to someone to go instead

This is NOT correct. The boy is moving to a different area. The head of the household in surin goes to the amphur and removes the boys name. If the boy is to be registered in another area the head householder tells the surin amphur where he is moving to and the amphur issues a letter confirming that he has been struck of the book. This letter then goes to the new amphur where he wants to be registered. I have been on this runaround myself so I do have knowledge of this. I would not lead you astray on this matter as I know how stressful it can be.

There was no way I implied that a return to surin was needed., I was on about the timescale by post.

School starts a week on monday and there ate also uniforms to consider and any embroidery that needs doing.

Did they ask for any paperwork from the boys previous school?

This is BOTH correct,

you can either go to the origin local and inform them of the moving out, and go to the destination and move in

or you could initiate the whole thing at the destination Amphur where they will send a letter to the original household to go to their respective Amphur to update the blue book by having the person struck out

whatever's more convenient, the computer systems's connected, they can process the moving out request and moving in anywhere

here's a guideline (in Thai)

Can only comment on what happened to us. I quickly learnt about guidelines soon after I arrived here. What amphurs were your experiences with? Ours was Uthai Thani and Khannayao Bangkok. (letter needed out of area) And Lat Krabang - Khannayao both Bangkok (No letter needed just copy from housebook)

[andre47]

Today we got the boy registrated in Pattaya. Everything is possible if you know the right people in Thailand.

Thank you all for the advices and informations.