webfact Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 5 Thai airlines fail to meet China's safety requirementsBANGKOK, 13 May 2015 (NNT) -Following a thorough examination, the Civil Aviation Administration of China has found the aviation safety systems of five Thai airlines inadequate.According to the Department of Civil Aviation (DCA), the airlines in question are Orient Thai, Nok Scoot, Jet Asia, City Airways and R Airlines. The detected flaws involved flight documents, aircraft maintenance and staff.The examination by the Civil Aviation Administration of China has discovered that documents of flight and aircraft maintenance of the airlines were incomplete. Some of the airplanes were aged above 14, while their maintenance failed to be carried out as schduled. The number of trained staff is also insufficient. The DCA, however, insisted that the airlines could address the problems before the deadline.In addition to concerns from the Civil Aviation Administration of China, the country will soon have to handle a new round of challenges. The Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) will be observing its aviation safety standards in July, at which time the Thai authorities would still be drawing up aviation safety manuals.The FAA may impose tougher measures or restrictions on Thai airlines if they fail to pass the FAA’s requirements.-- NNT 2015-05-13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uptheos Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 Wow, when you can't meet China's safety regulations it's time to ditch the aircraft! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trogers Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 That's from a country that claims it need not follow international standards! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOC Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 Probably a question about that the Chinese low-cost carriers want a piece of the lucrative pie, that is charter flights between China and Thailand!! The checking of 5 airlines and the subsequent downgrading was done in one day!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovelomsak Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 These things make me wonder about politics.When the yellow shirts closed the Thai airport no planes could come or go. Now they can come and go but not to China,and maybe soon Japan.Are these countries telling them in a very Asian way your airports open but you arenot going anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strangebrew Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 What did Thai airways pay to not be listed or checked? GRIN? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluespunk Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 " The detected flaws involved flight documents, aircraft maintenance and staff." So, everything then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Mango Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 Who are R airlines ? Never heard of them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluespunk Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 Who are R airlines ? Never heard of them http://www.planespotters.net/Airline/R-Airlines Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trogers Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 " The detected flaws involved flight documents, aircraft maintenance and staff." So, everything then? It's that "No Fail" policy again... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisY1 Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 Who are R airlines ? Never heard of them http://www.planespotters.net/Airline/R-Airlines Great airline........their freekin planes are 21 years old!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EyesWideOpen Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 Funny stuff. So China sends an inspection team over, the airlines here open the books for them, and of course they find irregularities. I guess China really does have Thailand by the balls. If France said they wanted to send over an inspection team, Thailand would tell them to piss off... On a side note, the very concept of China deciding if a public transportation sector is safe or not, is ludicrous... Money rules all in China, same as here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikemac Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 I thought the op was "suss" when I read the words "China's" and "safety" in the same sentence. I did a few trips to mainland China and was amazed by their apparent lack of safety concerns. Driving on the roads there is insane, although I must say I did a few internal flights there and they seemed ok. It was just getting to the bloody airport that was scary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h90 Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 Funny stuff. So China sends an inspection team over, the airlines here open the books for them, and of course they find irregularities. I guess China really does have Thailand by the balls. If France said they wanted to send over an inspection team, Thailand would tell them to piss off... On a side note, the very concept of China deciding if a public transportation sector is safe or not, is ludicrous... Money rules all in China, same as here. And China is very friendly towards Thailand. No one can complain that it is political motivated. Also no one can complain that these Chinese are overdoing it. And I am 100 % sure that China tried to settle it before it comes to that and warned them 10 times on unofficial channels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zakk9 Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 Who are R airlines ? Never heard of them http://www.planespotters.net/Airline/R-Airlines Great airline........their freekin planes are 21 years old!! Not unusual. Take United Airlines, they have dozens of airplanes that are more than 20 years old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tifino Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 I think I'd feel safer in a Thai R-Airlines 'plane, than a Chinese Great Wall vehicle travelling at a 10th of the formers' airspeed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesetat2013 Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 I guess article 44 is not getting the expected "when I say jump you ask how high" results Mr. P wanted. Someone needs to crack the proverbial whip before the sh-- hits the fan for real and all the tourist trade suffers. The FAA is going to be a lot stricter with their inspections then China for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew65 Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 Who are R airlines ? Never heard of them http://www.planespotters.net/Airline/R-Airlines Great airline........their freekin planes are 21 years old!! I'm pretty sure that the service life of an jet-airliner is 25 years. I suppose that would be in a western country, where maintenance schedules are strictly adhered to. As an example. Thai Airways in recent years was leasing some B777's at $1 million dollars a month. $1 million X 12 months = $12 million X 25 years = $300 million = the approximate cost of a B777 ($300 million) . Every minute that an airliner spends on the ground, it isn't making money. But then, as Boeing says, "We build 'em tough". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nithisa78 Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 more media, divide and conquer. not much to get the finger pointers riled. Those who could use some personal inventory themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Digitalbanana Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 How about Orient Thai, makes R-Airlines seem possible modern? http://www.planespotters.net/Airline/Orient-Thai-Airlines Orient Thai: Current fleet HS-UTW 23067 588 Boeing 747-300 started on 16. Oct 2009 = 31.6 Years Old? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fareastguy Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 Probably a question about that the Chinese low-cost carriers want a piece of the lucrative pie, that is charter flights between China and Thailand!! The checking of 5 airlines and the subsequent downgrading was done in one day!! If it looks like shit, smells like shit it probably is shit !! Doesn't take long to figure out a "Richard lll " of an operator !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diehard60 Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 Does not surprise me at all. But what does surprise me is that they did not find all thai airlines not to meet safety standards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai at Heart Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 I thought the op was "suss" when I read the words "China's" and "safety" in the same sentence. I did a few trips to mainland China and was amazed by their apparent lack of safety concerns. Driving on the roads there is insane, although I must say I did a few internal flights there and they seemed ok. It was just getting to the bloody airport that was scary. I think you will find that considering the size of the Chinese aviation industry, its safety record has been pretty good for the last 10 years or so. Also bear in mind, a lot of parts are sourced for both airbus and boeing from China, so whilst you moan about safety, you are literally relying on Chinese quality to keep these babies in the air. You think driving in China is insane? Its improved 1000 times over the last 20 years, and people do go to jail for killing other people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tchooptip Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 One stage left , when can't meet North Corea's safety regulation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ezzra Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 Oh boy,,, if they have failed even the Chinese tests, they must be pretty shitty airlines, mined you the chines aren't the most sticklers for details around... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johninbkk71 Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 These things make me wonder about politics.When the yellow shirts closed the Thai airport no planes could come or go. Now they can come and go but not to China,and maybe soon Japan.Are these countries telling them in a very Asian way your airports open but you arenot going anywhere.What? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim walker Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 and that's from China airways which is like the Indian railways of the sky, and all this is after Junta generals sorted out the safety and maintenance issues with Thai air Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo1964 Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 I've a friend who is a pilot and he was telling me about the lack of maintenance on Thai planes, both commercial and cargo. Their engineers do not follow international guidelines on maintenance, they swap parts from plane to plane, forge records and when they find something they can't handle, they ground the planes and Thai Airways has many planes just sit there, worth billions of baht. Then they rent other planes. He pilots 747's and told me that one of the planes he was assigned to fly was undergoing a C check which requires it to be placed in a hanger because its a major maintenance job. Takes about 2 weeks to complete apparently. However the plane sat on the tarmac for 2 weeks, wasn't touched or moved to a hanger and then it was sent back in full service with all the paperwork signed to verify the C check was completed. Needless to say he refused to fly that plane and is now looking to move back to Europe. Anyone interested might want to read this article http://www.eturbonews.com/58480/reason-behind-thailand-s-air-safety-problem If you have to fly choose another airline! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suffinator Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 And once the FFA step in it'll get much worse. No doubt Prayut will wave his magic wand and they'll be another crackdown shortly followed by TAT announcing another round of record breaking tourist numbers. At least you know which airlines to avoid but anything that is Thai operated should be avoided at all costs. Wouldn't fly with Thai Airways if they gave me free lifetime 1st class tickets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
masuk Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 Who are R airlines ? Never heard of them http://www.planespotters.net/Airline/R-Airlines 18.6 years old??? well at least they're now of legal age!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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