NATO believes Russia can take over Kiev, Baltic countries within 2 days

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NATO Believes Russia Can Take Over Kiev, Baltic Countries Within Two Days
Czech General Petr Pavel who will assume office of Chairman of the NATO Military Committee on June 1, 2015 considers Russia a threat to the security of all NATO countries. He ranks Russia together with ISIL.

Czech General Petr Pavel who will assume office of Chairman of the NATO Military Committee on June 1, 2015, said that Russia is capable of seizing the Baltic countries and the Ukrainian capital of Kiev within two days, Ceske Noviny reported.

The general made the claims during the "Our Security" conference which is currently underway in Prague.

Following US President Barack Obama, Pavel considers Russia a threat to the security of all NATO countries. He ranks Russia together with the Islamic State terrorist organization.

The general also believes that if Russia launched an offensive then NATO forces would be incapable of repelling the attack.

Full story: http://sputniknews.com/politics/20150528/1022627513.html

-- Sputnik 2015-05-28

[lovetotravel]

Ukraine and the Baltic are nervous for a good reason. So much for Russia blaming everybody else for provoking the problems there.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/05/27/us-ukraine-crisis-russia-military-idUSKBN0OC2K820150527

Exclusive: Russia masses heavy firepower on border with Ukraine - witness

Russia's army is massing troops and hundreds of pieces of weaponry including mobile rocket launchers, tanks and artillery at a makeshift base near the border with Ukraine, a Reuters reporter saw this week.

Many of the vehicles have number plates and identifying marks removed while many of the servicemen had taken insignia off their fatigues. As such, they match the appearance of some of the forces spotted in eastern Ukraine, which Kiev and its Western allies allege are covert Russian detachments.

The scene at the base on the Kuzminsky firing range, around 50 km (30 miles) from the border, offers some of the clearest evidence to date of what appeared to be a concerted Russian military build-up in the area.

[Dannyboy666]

Russia is running around with portable crematorys, to burn the soldiers bodies immediately to hide their losses on Ukranian Soil, reported by mainstream media today.

[zydeco]

I guess the Germans, French, Italians, Spanish, and British ought to be preparing to do something to defend the EU, then. This one is not an American problem. Otherwise, I'd be developing an appetite for borscht if I was European.

[Dannyboy666]

Hmmmmm, Where Did All The American Bashers Go, Awfully Quiet Out There...

Edited May 28, 2015 by Dannyboy666

[maidee]

and if they do, what will bankrupt europe do ?

[shirtless]

The EU may need to defend itself , I doubt they would last long against Russia. You may need those visa s extensions more than ever.

[zydeco]

The EU may need to defend itself , I doubt they would last long against Russia. You may need those visa s extensions more than ever.

No problem. Too many people ready to go Quisling like the last time.

[Baerboxer]

I guess the Germans, French, Italians, Spanish, and British ought to be preparing to do something to defend the EU, then. This one is not an American problem. Otherwise, I'd be developing an appetite for borscht if I was European.

Which bit about NATO did you miss?

It's a NATO problem and although it may surprise you, America is a member of NATO.

NATO was designed for just this. The old USSR and it's puppet East European states invading the West. Now it's the Russian Federation and Russian colonists in neighboring countries. Trouble is most NATO countries scaled down their armed services after the fall of the Warsaw Pact, return to democracy in East Europe and the USSR break up.

Maybe their intelligence services ought to have wondered why the Russians didn't scale back.

Putin knows this, and he sees how preoccupied the West are in other parts of the world. Thug, bully and chancer - but a very dangerous one.

[BKKBobby]

Ranking Russia with ISIS? Silly. Even if Russia can seize the Baltic countries doesnt mean they will. Russia considers Krim and Ukraine to be a part of its country (of course it isnt). I would be very surprised if Russia tried any hostile takeover in one of the countries at the Baltic sea.

[BuaBS]

Hmmmmm, Where Did All The American Bashers Go, Awfully Quiet Out There...

No , we are here. If the US hadn't interfered in the Ukraine ,and put Nato at the Russian borders, there would be no reason why Russia would invade any of the mentioned countries.

So what if the Ruskies come ? It will be just like before glasnost & fall of the Berlin wall. Back to Soviet times.

I'd rather be a Russian than US-american. They can have bankruped Europe .

[ironhorse10]

Let's not forget China, they could take over all on SE. Asia in less then 4 days , who would stop them? And that includes all of Indonesia, and the PI.

[zydeco]

I guess the Germans, French, Italians, Spanish, and British ought to be preparing to do something to defend the EU, then. This one is not an American problem. Otherwise, I'd be developing an appetite for borscht if I was European.

Which bit about NATO did you miss?

It's a NATO problem and although it may surprise you, America is a member of NATO.

NATO was designed for just this. The old USSR and it's puppet East European states invading the West. Now it's the Russian Federation and Russian colonists in neighboring countries. Trouble is most NATO countries scaled down their armed services after the fall of the Warsaw Pact, return to democracy in East Europe and the USSR break up.

Maybe their intelligence services ought to have wondered why the Russians didn't scale back.

Putin knows this, and he sees how preoccupied the West are in other parts of the world. Thug, bully and chancer - but a very dangerous one.

Here is what YOU are missing. I, like a lot of Americans, am sick and tired of hearing whining from Europeans who steadfastly REFUSE to pull their own weight. I'll be damned if I am going to spend American lives and money (Treaty or no damned Treaty) to save a bunch of lazy ingrates who have spent much of the past 40 years condemning the US and denying the danger from the east. Anybody who doesn't like it can smoke on something else for a while.

Edited May 28, 2015 by zydeco

[Just1Voice]

It would appear that Russia is intent on restoring the old "Soviet Union" to it's glory days.

[lovetotravel]

Hmmmmm, Where Did All The American Bashers Go, Awfully Quiet Out There...

No , we are here. If the US hadn't interfered in the Ukraine ,and put Nato at the Russian borders, there would be no reason why Russia would invade any of the mentioned countries.

So what if the Ruskies come ? It will be just like before glasnost & fall of the Berlin wall. Back to Soviet times.

I'd rather be a Russian than US-american. They can have bankruped Europe .

There's a huge difference between lobbying a country to join an alliance (NATO or otherwise) and physically invading a sovereign country and killing it's citizens because you're on the losing end of this lobbying effort. A fact that seems to be lost on many.

As for rather being a Russian? Most from that country seem to be very excited about the prospect of leaving for greener pastures. And Europe is far from being bankrupt.

[lovetotravel]

It would appear that Russia is intent on restoring the old "Soviet Union" to it's glory days.

Which is fine. Just don't do it using the military. Get these former USSR states to join willingly. Perfectly fine with that happening.

[hawker9000]

I guess the Germans, French, Italians, Spanish, and British ought to be preparing to do something to defend the EU, then. This one is not an American problem. Otherwise, I'd be developing an appetite for borscht if I was European.

The U.S. has defense agreements with NATO and with the countries you name. Are you saying those treaties should be unilaterally abrogated hy the U.S.? If the U.S. is eventually going to have to commit resources, and even troops, if any of its treaty partners are attacked, does it not have an interest in trying to pre-empt such attacks? Very very easy to say "this one is not an American problem", but how true is that in point of fact?

[stoffel45]

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I totally agree with you. I live in Belgium and in this country and in France, but generally in the EU - everything is the fault of the USA.

They can't manage their toxic euro - that's the American's fault. Germany brought down the Ukraine's democratically elected Government then started a Civil War against Russian speakers. That's the USA.

The EU bought a Nobel Peace Prize because only the EU kept the peace in Europe.

Now the Germans want an EU Army? What for one wonders.

What they hope to do is to have ONE single country - called Europa - (same as Hitler called it) which is a NATO Partner.

Thanks for your post Zydeco.

[Asheron]

Here is what YOU are missing. I, like a lot of Americans, am sick and tired of hearing whining from Europeans who steadfastly REFUSE to pull their own weight. I'll be damned if I am going to spend American lives and money (Treaty or no damned Treaty) to save a bunch of lazy ingrates who have spent much of the past 40 years condemning the US and denying the danger from the east. Anybody who doesn't like it can smoke on something else for a while.

There is a minority in Europe that actually understand the need, yes need, and greatly appreciate USA in the world as a world power. I'm finnish by ethnicity but born and raised in Sweden and i'm so ashamed to even have a swedish passport for many reason and one of them the utter deep hatred for USA in Sweden which i do not understand (well i do kind of as Sweden is the last socialist bastion in Europe). Sadly Sweden is cutting and cutting and cutting funds to the military all the while throwing more and more money into "immigration" (read: human flooding). Currently the cost for immigration is about three times as large as the entire military budget for Sweden... kind of shows that the politicians have no clue in what they are actually doing. And if i'm not mistaken the entire combat ready army of Sweden is like one division and that would take like 2-3 months to put together.

A retired Lt. Gen. (worked at military intelligence) said in an interview a few years ago that Sweden has the capability to defend Arlanda (biggest airport in Sweden) for a few days so that CNN are able to fly in and film.

Sure, Sweden isn't a NATO member but that doesn't matter anything at all as if any EU member (of which many are NATO members) is attacked then all of the EU members have to give military help. You can thank or rant about that thanks to the Lisbon treaty.

[does]

Or could it be that Russia is a bit paranoid by encroaching NATO?

It would appear that Russia is intent on restoring the old "Soviet Union" to it's glory days.

[bendare]

wouldnt it be nice to have world peace

[Scott]

Off-topic posts and replies removed. The topic is not about the US.

[BKKBobby]

Here is what YOU are missing. I, like a lot of Americans, am sick and tired of hearing whining from Europeans who steadfastly REFUSE to pull their own weight. I'll be damned if I am going to spend American lives and money (Treaty or no damned Treaty) to save a bunch of lazy ingrates who have spent much of the past 40 years condemning the US and denying the danger from the east. Anybody who doesn't like it can smoke on something else for a while.

There is a minority in Europe that actually understand the need, yes need, and greatly appreciate USA in the world as a world power. I'm finnish by ethnicity but born and raised in Sweden and i'm so ashamed to even have a swedish passport for many reason and one of them the utter deep hatred for USA in Sweden which i do not understand (well i do kind of as Sweden is the last socialist bastion in Europe). Sadly Sweden is cutting and cutting and cutting funds to the military all the while throwing more and more money into "immigration" (read: human flooding). Currently the cost for immigration is about three times as large as the entire military budget for Sweden... kind of shows that the politicians have no clue in what they are actually doing. And if i'm not mistaken the entire combat ready army of Sweden is like one division and that would take like 2-3 months to put together.

A retired Lt. Gen. (worked at military intelligence) said in an interview a few years ago that Sweden has the capability to defend Arlanda (biggest airport in Sweden) for a few days so that CNN are able to fly in and film.

Sure, Sweden isn't a NATO member but that doesn't matter anything at all as if any EU member (of which many are NATO members) is attacked then all of the EU members have to give military help. You can thank or rant about that thanks to the Lisbon treaty.

Im a Swede too.

None of the Baltic and Nordic countries can protect themselves against Russia without help from NATO or EU.

Edited May 28, 2015 by BKKBobby

[harryfrompattaya]

I guess the Germans, French, Italians, Spanish, and British ought to be preparing to do something to defend the EU, then. This one is not an American problem. Otherwise, I'd be developing an appetite for borscht if I was European.

These people have to realize Obama or Mrs Clinton will do nothing

[micmichd]

Guess EU / Germany only want cheap gas from Ukraine and some other former Soviet states.

None of U.S. business.

Edited May 28, 2015 by micmichd

[konying]

Ukraine and the Baltic are nervous for a good reason. So much for Russia blaming everybody else for provoking the problems there.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/05/27/us-ukraine-crisis-russia-military-idUSKBN0OC2K820150527

Exclusive: Russia masses heavy firepower on border with Ukraine - witness

Russia's army is massing troops and hundreds of pieces of weaponry including mobile rocket launchers, tanks and artillery at a makeshift base near the border with Ukraine, a Reuters reporter saw this week.

Many of the vehicles have number plates and identifying marks removed while many of the servicemen had taken insignia off their fatigues. As such, they match the appearance of some of the forces spotted in eastern Ukraine, which Kiev and its Western allies allege are covert Russian detachments.

The scene at the base on the Kuzminsky firing range, around 50 km (30 miles) from the border, offers some of the clearest evidence to date of what appeared to be a concerted Russian military build-up in the area.

I am sure it has nothing to do with NATO build up along Russian borders .

[konying]

I guess it's a good thing new general is not scare mongering;)

[Pakboong]

Ukraine and the Baltic are nervous for a good reason. So much for Russia blaming everybody else for provoking the problems there.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/05/27/us-ukraine-crisis-russia-military-idUSKBN0OC2K820150527

Exclusive: Russia masses heavy firepower on border with Ukraine - witness

Russia's army is massing troops and hundreds of pieces of weaponry including mobile rocket launchers, tanks and artillery at a makeshift base near the border with Ukraine, a Reuters reporter saw this week.

Many of the vehicles have number plates and identifying marks removed while many of the servicemen had taken insignia off their fatigues. As such, they match the appearance of some of the forces spotted in eastern Ukraine, which Kiev and its Western allies allege are covert Russian detachments.

The scene at the base on the Kuzminsky firing range, around 50 km (30 miles) from the border, offers some of the clearest evidence to date of what appeared to be a concerted Russian military build-up in the area.

I am sure it has nothing to do with NATO build up along Russian borders .

What would be the point of the Russians massing troops with no identification 30 miles from the Ukrainian border? If they already are fighting with Russian troops within Ukraine, this does not make sense at all. Sounds like the Reuters guy is a bit confused.

[Pakboong]

So I guess the massed troops which are 30 miles within Russia and witnessed by a Reuters reporter in Russia, are not there either. Unless of course, the plan was to sneak these massed troops (enough to threaten Nato) across the border into East Ukraine at a later date so they can join up with the troops already fighting with the Eastern Ukrainians.

Edited May 28, 2015 by Pakboong

[does]

Dannyboy, the US bashers are perhaps not aware that all those stories about Russia invading the Baltics is probably scare mongering by NATO.

Think about it - why would Russia invade the Baltic states? With Crimea and Ukraine, Russian action had some rational - especially from the Russian point of view. But the Balkans? That would be opening a can of worms Russia doesn't need.

Repeating the mantra that Russia is about to invade the Balkans is as silly as claiming the US will invade Iran.

Hmmmmm, Where Did All The American Bashers Go, Awfully Quiet Out There...