Tamir Rice: US police face charges over boy's death

[CMNightRider]

ISIS is what happens when you have bad people that will not be held accountable for their actions and they are permitted to do what they do with impunity. Same with Mexican cartels. Would be exactly the same with a lot if the inner city gang bangers.

The 12 year old boy incident is truly sad, but WTH? Why does a 12 year old think its cool to brandish a pistol and scare others? The even sadder part is that 12 year olds in these inner cities will shot you without thinking twice about it.

Why does a 12 year old think its cool to brandish a pistol and scare others

OTT again....

as usual....

Even wormed Mexican cartels in to the post besides.

America needs to get some quantifiable data concerning unstable police officers in the cities, counties, states throughout the country, the minority of racial police who are in need of professional psychiatric counselling services, to include psychological counseling as appropriate.

Who will be the next self-detonating unstable and over stressed police officer, and where will that be? No one knows or can say, so let's get professional assessments and recommendations to police officers in need.

The public safety requires it.

This is what it takes to become a Cleveland City Police Officer.

They have to pass the City of Cleveland Civil Service written examination, the top scorers will be contacted to take a physical agility test. Upon passing, they may move on to the selection process.

Applicants must then:

Complete Personal History questionnaires

Be interviewed, photographed and fingerprinted

Complete waivers authorizing extensive background investigations

Pass a medical examination

Undergo a psychological/psychiatric evaluation, including taking the Minnesota Multiphasic Personality Inventory (MMPI) assessment.

Once the candidate passes the above listed requirements, they attend a 6 month academy.

[Publicus]

ISIS is what happens when you have bad people that will not be held accountable for their actions and they are permitted to do what they do with impunity. Same with Mexican cartels. Would be exactly the same with a lot if the inner city gang bangers.

The 12 year old boy incident is truly sad, but WTH? Why does a 12 year old think its cool to brandish a pistol and scare others? The even sadder part is that 12 year olds in these inner cities will shot you without thinking twice about it.

Why does a 12 year old think its cool to brandish a pistol and scare others

OTT again....

as usual....

Even wormed Mexican cartels in to the post besides.

America needs to get some quantifiable data concerning unstable police officers in the cities, counties, states throughout the country, the minority of racial police who are in need of professional psychiatric counselling services, to include psychological counseling as appropriate.

Who will be the next self-detonating unstable and over stressed police officer, and where will that be? No one knows or can say, so let's get professional assessments and recommendations to police officers in need.

The public safety requires it.

This is what it takes to become a Cleveland City Police Officer.

They have to pass the City of Cleveland Civil Service written examination, the top scorers will be contacted to take a physical agility test. Upon passing, they may move on to the selection process.

Applicants must then:

Complete Personal History questionnaires

Be interviewed, photographed and fingerprinted

Complete waivers authorizing extensive background investigations

Pass a medical examination

Undergo a psychological/psychiatric evaluation, including taking the Minnesota Multiphasic Personality Inventory (MMPI) assessment.

Once the candidate passes the above listed requirements, they attend a 6 month academy.

Some people keep missing the obvious.

How to get rid of and keep out of public police departments the unstable people who didn't belong in the job to begin with or no longer belong.

The killer cop in this case had already been tossed from a nearby PD during training for unreliable behavior and a more than dubious management and control of his firearm.

There is more than ample testimony and instances of cops throughout the country burning out on the job and the burnout occurs in advance of retirement age. The issues need to be addressed by police departments on a continuing basis over the long haul of the departments' operations and responsibilities to the public. If over in McKinney Texas Cpl Casebolt gets earned retirement and other benefits for a period of previous honorable service, then so be it.

It's not a question of whether, it's a matter of when the next ticking time bomb police officer self-detonates in the community.

The reality is that a lot of the police and officers of the law in various capacities are anyway right wingers through and through and shamelessly so. The very real life menacing ones need preventively identified, professionally counselled, brought under a system of control to include discharge.

http://on.cc.com/1vzeWRF

[Publicus]

This shooting took place last year. Black communities across America are starting to put pressure on similar shootings so that just solutions are reached. If they hadn't, this shooting would most likely have been ignored until it died a dusty death.

Blacks should look in the mirror instead of pointing their fingers at the police. One would think their concern should be about killing each other. Black on black killings is epidemic, yet the liberal media fails to address that issue. The police are not the enemy, as a few liberal posters on this site suggest. For some reason, the left seem to delight in fanning the flames of racial discontent.

A cop killed a 12 year old boy playing with a toy gun in a public park next to his home.

The police did the wrong thing.

Let's correct the problem presented by certain police officers and police departments in certain parts of the country.

The killer cop was rejected during training by another PD but hired by Cleveland so there is obviously a problem and it needs to be seriously addressed.

Right wing rhetoric doesn't cut it.

Btw, the "liberal media" are the mainstream media to mainstream America.

[CMNightRider]

This shooting took place last year. Black communities across America are starting to put pressure on similar shootings so that just solutions are reached. If they hadn't, this shooting would most likely have been ignored until it died a dusty death.

Blacks should look in the mirror instead of pointing their fingers at the police. One would think their concern should be about killing each other. Black on black killings is epidemic, yet the liberal media fails to address that issue. The police are not the enemy, as a few liberal posters on this site suggest. For some reason, the left seem to delight in fanning the flames of racial discontent.

A cop killed a 12 year old boy playing with a toy gun in a public park next to his home.

The police did the wrong thing.

Let's correct the problem presented by certain police officers and police departments in certain parts of the country.

The killer cop was rejected during training by another PD but hired by Cleveland so there is obviously a problem and it needs to be seriously addressed.

Right wing rhetoric doesn't cut it.

Btw, the "liberal media" are the mainstream media to mainstream America.

You keep saying the 12 year old was playing with a toy gun in a public park. It isn't exactly that simple is it. The toy gun was a pellet gun that looked like a real gun. The kid was pointing what appeared to be a real gun at people.

When I think back when I was 12 years old, I would have never thought of running around pointing a pellet gun at people.

Btw, liberal bias over the years have creeped into so called main-stream media with their radial, leftist distortions. Liberal leftists are a far more threat to public safety than a couple of police officers that make a wrong split second decision.

This kids parents have to accept some responsibility for not teaching their son to obey the police, and not to run around pointing his pellet gun at people.

[sdanielmcev]

This shooting took place last year. Black communities across America are starting to put pressure on similar shootings so that just solutions are reached. If they hadn't, this shooting would most likely have been ignored until it died a dusty death.

Blacks should look in the mirror instead of pointing their fingers at the police. One would think their concern should be about killing each other. Black on black killings is epidemic, yet the liberal media fails to address that issue. The police are not the enemy, as a few liberal posters on this site suggest. For some reason, the left seem to delight in fanning the flames of racial discontent.

A cop killed a 12 year old boy playing with a toy gun in a public park next to his home.

The police did the wrong thing.

Let's correct the problem presented by certain police officers and police departments in certain parts of the country.

The killer cop was rejected during training by another PD but hired by Cleveland so there is obviously a problem and it needs to be seriously addressed.

Right wing rhetoric doesn't cut it.

Btw, the "liberal media" are the mainstream media to mainstream America.

What does 'right wing rhetoric' have to do with this? Nothing.

The police officer followed his training. And while tragic, the fact he was a bored 12 year old has nothing to do with the police officers' response.

BTW, the mainstream media is now the internet, not television. And it is to the right of center.

And your beloved Supreme court has already ruled that deadly force is allowed by police. Toy pistol or real.

All the psychological evaluation and training in the world can't prevent accidents. So get off your high horse.

And as I said before, this 'trial' in any legal sense was a farce.

Edited June 17, 2015 by sdanielmcev

[Publicus]

This shooting took place last year. Black communities across America are starting to put pressure on similar shootings so that just solutions are reached. If they hadn't, this shooting would most likely have been ignored until it died a dusty death.

Blacks should look in the mirror instead of pointing their fingers at the police. One would think their concern should be about killing each other. Black on black killings is epidemic, yet the liberal media fails to address that issue. The police are not the enemy, as a few liberal posters on this site suggest. For some reason, the left seem to delight in fanning the flames of racial discontent.

A cop killed a 12 year old boy playing with a toy gun in a public park next to his home.

The police did the wrong thing.

Let's correct the problem presented by certain police officers and police departments in certain parts of the country.

The killer cop was rejected during training by another PD but hired by Cleveland so there is obviously a problem and it needs to be seriously addressed.

Right wing rhetoric doesn't cut it.

Btw, the "liberal media" are the mainstream media to mainstream America.

You keep saying the 12 year old was playing with a toy gun in a public park. It isn't exactly that simple is it. The toy gun was a pellet gun that looked like a real gun. The kid was pointing what appeared to be a real gun at people.

When I think back when I was 12 years old, I would have never thought of running around pointing a pellet gun at people.

Btw, liberal bias over the years have creeped into so called main-stream media with their radial, leftist distortions. Liberal leftists are a far more threat to public safety than a couple of police officers that make a wrong split second decision.

This kids parents have to accept some responsibility for not teaching their son to obey the police, and not to run around pointing his pellet gun at people.

The cop did the wrong thing.

He and his partner did the wrong thing among other wrong things in the course of the homicide of the boy. The 911 police dispatcher made a serious error by neglecting to say the caller to 911 said it may be a toy gun.

Because everything from the right wing which includes so many police in the United States is baloney, no matter how the right tries to slice this hit against a 12 year old boy, the right is still full of baloney.

Again btw, the "liberal media" the far out lunar right forever carries on against are the mainstream media to mainstream America.

[stevenl]

This shooting took place last year. Black communities across America are starting to put pressure on similar shootings so that just solutions are reached. If they hadn't, this shooting would most likely have been ignored until it died a dusty death.

Blacks should look in the mirror instead of pointing their fingers at the police. One would think their concern should be about killing each other. Black on black killings is epidemic, yet the liberal media fails to address that issue. The police are not the enemy, as a few liberal posters on this site suggest. For some reason, the left seem to delight in fanning the flames of racial discontent.

A cop killed a 12 year old boy playing with a toy gun in a public park next to his home.

The police did the wrong thing.

Let's correct the problem presented by certain police officers and police departments in certain parts of the country.

The killer cop was rejected during training by another PD but hired by Cleveland so there is obviously a problem and it needs to be seriously addressed.

Right wing rhetoric doesn't cut it.

Btw, the "liberal media" are the mainstream media to mainstream America.

You keep saying the 12 year old was playing with a toy gun in a public park. It isn't exactly that simple is it. The toy gun was a pellet gun that looked like a real gun. The kid was pointing what appeared to be a real gun at people.

When I think back when I was 12 years old, I would have never thought of running around pointing a pellet gun at people.

Btw, liberal bias over the years have creeped into so called main-stream media with their radial, leftist distortions. Liberal leftists are a far more threat to public safety than a couple of police officers that make a wrong split second decision.

This kids parents have to accept some responsibility for not teaching their son to obey the police, and not to run around pointing his pellet gun at people.

Main stream media is exactly that: main stream. Society is changing, either accept change or get left behind.

[Publicus]

This shooting took place last year. Black communities across America are starting to put pressure on similar shootings so that just solutions are reached. If they hadn't, this shooting would most likely have been ignored until it died a dusty death.

Blacks should look in the mirror instead of pointing their fingers at the police. One would think their concern should be about killing each other. Black on black killings is epidemic, yet the liberal media fails to address that issue. The police are not the enemy, as a few liberal posters on this site suggest. For some reason, the left seem to delight in fanning the flames of racial discontent.

A cop killed a 12 year old boy playing with a toy gun in a public park next to his home.

The police did the wrong thing.

Let's correct the problem presented by certain police officers and police departments in certain parts of the country.

The killer cop was rejected during training by another PD but hired by Cleveland so there is obviously a problem and it needs to be seriously addressed.

Right wing rhetoric doesn't cut it.

Btw, the "liberal media" are the mainstream media to mainstream America.

What does 'right wing rhetoric' have to do with this? Nothing.

The police officer followed his training. And while tragic, the fact he was a bored 12 year old has nothing to do with the police officers' response.

BTW, the mainstream media is now the internet, not television. And it is to the right of center.

And your beloved Supreme court has already ruled that deadly force is allowed by police. Toy pistol or real.

All the psychological evaluation and training in the world can't prevent accidents. So get off your high horse.

And as I said before, this 'trial' in any legal sense was a farce.

What does 'right wing rhetoric' have to do with this? Nothing.

Wrong again.

The cop was wrong, and so was his partner. A strident defense of the two cops in Cleveland and what they did is wrong. There's too much of this going on in too many places too often.

Police need to self-examine to identify and treat the obvious cases of burnout and there are a lot of cases of police burnout.

I strongly suspect 80% or more of the cases of police burnout are by right wing cops. It has become apparent there are a lot of burned out police in certain communities of the United States.

[chuckd]

...and I strongly suspect 64% of all statistics are made up on the spot.

[MaxYakov]

quandow, on 12 Jun 2015 - 09:08, said:

This shooting took place last year. Black communities across America are starting to put pressure on similar shootings so that just solutions are reached. If they hadn't, this shooting would most likely have been ignored until it died a dusty death.

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Blacks should look in the mirror instead of pointing their fingers at the police. One would think their concern should be about killing each other. Black on black killings is epidemic, yet the liberal media fails to address that issue. The police are not the enemy, as a few liberal posters on this site suggest. For some reason, the left seem to delight in fanning the flames of racial discontent.

A cop killed a 12 year old boy playing with a toy gun in a public park next to his home.

The police did the wrong thing.

Let's correct the problem presented by certain police officers and police departments in certain parts of the country.

The killer cop was rejected during training by another PD but hired by Cleveland so there is obviously a problem and it needs to be seriously addressed.

Right wing rhetoric doesn't cut it.

Btw, the "liberal media" are the mainstream media to mainstream America.

You keep saying the 12 year old was playing with a toy gun in a public park. It isn't exactly that simple is it. The toy gun was a pellet gun that looked like a real gun. The kid was pointing what appeared to be a real gun at people.

When I think back when I was 12 years old, I would have never thought of running around pointing a pellet gun at people.

Btw, liberal bias over the years have creeped into so called main-stream media with their radial, leftist distortions. Liberal leftists are a far more threat to public safety than a couple of police officers that make a wrong split second decision.

This kids parents have to accept some responsibility for not teaching their son to obey the police, and not to run around pointing his pellet gun at people.

The cop did the wrong thing.

He and his partner did the wrong thing among other wrong things in the course of the homicide of the boy. The 911 police dispatcher made a serious error by neglecting to say the caller to 911 said it may be a toy gun.

Because everything from the right wing which includes so many police in the United States is baloney, no matter how the right tries to slice this hit against a 12 year old boy, the right is still full of baloney.

Again btw, the "liberal media" the far out lunar right forever carries on against are the mainstream media to mainstream America.

So, how do left-wing and centerist cops somehow avoid burnout at a rate similar to that of right-wing cops?

(Referring to a "suspicion" you had in another reply that right-wing cops had an 80% burnout rate or some such).

Edited June 17, 2015 by MaxYakov

[Publicus]

...and I strongly suspect 64% of all statistics are made up on the spot.

It's called the 80-20 rule devised in 1906 by Italian mathematician Vilfredo Pareto that, statistically, quality efforts can be measured in divisions of 80:20. In this instance, it's rational to say 80% of them, 20% of us, them being of course right wing unstable burned out police in certain communities across the United States who either never should have become cops, as in this instance in Cleveland, or shouldn't be cops any longer, as in many many recent instances across the United States.

My post said, more specifically, it's my belief that 80% of the many police burnouts in the US are by right wing cops of which, as we have seen, there are many.

[Publicus]

You keep saying the 12 year old was playing with a toy gun in a public park. It isn't exactly that simple is it. The toy gun was a pellet gun that looked like a real gun. The kid was pointing what appeared to be a real gun at people.

When I think back when I was 12 years old, I would have never thought of running around pointing a pellet gun at people.

Btw, liberal bias over the years have creeped into so called main-stream media with their radial, leftist distortions. Liberal leftists are a far more threat to public safety than a couple of police officers that make a wrong split second decision.

This kids parents have to accept some responsibility for not teaching their son to obey the police, and not to run around pointing his pellet gun at people.

The cop did the wrong thing.

He and his partner did the wrong thing among other wrong things in the course of the homicide of the boy. The 911 police dispatcher made a serious error by neglecting to say the caller to 911 said it may be a toy gun.

Because everything from the right wing which includes so many police in the United States is baloney, no matter how the right tries to slice this hit against a 12 year old boy, the right is still full of baloney.

Again btw, the "liberal media" the far out lunar right forever carries on against are the mainstream media to mainstream America.

So, how do left-wing and centerist cops somehow avoid burnout at a rate similar to that of right-wing cops?

(Referring to a "suspicion" you had in another reply that right-wing cops had an 80% burnout rate or some such).

It is my estimate that there are a lot of right wing police in the US, along with right wing prison guards and other personnel in law enforcement. That's my estimate. Data on this are precious to come by, so I offer my considered estimate.

Anyone who has hard data would be exceptional and would be welcome to drop it to me in a PM or wait for the thread topic if it ever might happen, the changes of that being obscure because the data are obscure if there are any data at all on it.

I would say the minority of police in the US are politically moderate and even fewer are liberal. If there's a left wing cop out there he's probably been demoted by now or mysteriously disappeared during the policeman's ball, but I'd be pleased to hear his/her name, all one of 'em.

Many of youse lunar guyz have law enforcement experience so if you try to say law enforcement is overrun by leftists or liberals, I'll have to laugh till I split my sides. Yeah, there are some liberal chiefs out there for liberal mayors, but there are not many liberal Car 54 cops down through the ranks. Most prosecutors moreover make the right wing cops look like choir boyz.

[sdanielmcev]

Let's see. These cities where these supposed 'right wing' cops are; liberal, liberal, liberal.... The mayors? Liberal, liberal, liberal.....I guess these 'right wing' cops steal a gun and hold it to the heads of the police departments, forcing them to be hired. What a joke!

Quit making everything about politics, it has nothing to do with this article, nor police work.

[Publicus]

Prosecutors are even more right wing than the NRA tea party right wing cops they protect and let off the hook.

This Officer Lohmann who put the hit on the 12 year old Tamir Rice had a record of being unstable and of being discharged from another PD before Cleveland hired him. The Rice family used an Ohio law to take the charges directly to a judge for a finding, which is nonbinding, before a prosecutor could get his paws on the case. So now we have on the official record a judgement by a court of law (advisory) that murder charges can be justified against Lohmann.

So Lohmann does target practice on a 12 year old boy and the far extreme right all over the country (and world) jump up to Lohmann's defense, to say the boy Tamir Rice is dead because he's stupid and his parents are at fault besides. This was in my opinion a murder, plain and simple. The extreme right in blue and not in uniform sees a justifiable homicide protected by the law.

The right wing police and the right wing citizens march arm in arm in every instance of murder for free in the United States. Anyone who tries to say the police shooter in Cleveland or in any other instance of a white cop plugging an unarmed black guy is a liberal Democrat gets laughed out of the room and a few tomatoes in the puss besides. These gun happy cops are not liberals, they're not leftists, they're not Democrats, they're not emotionally stable nor are they mentally balanced or healthy.

They are right wing burnouts in blue.

[CMNightRider]

Prosecutors are even more right wing than the NRA tea party right wing cops they protect and let off the hook.

This Officer Lohmann who put the hit on the 12 year old Tamir Rice had a record of being unstable and of being discharged from another PD before Cleveland hired him. The Rice family used an Ohio law to take the charges directly to a judge for a finding, which is nonbinding, before a prosecutor could get his paws on the case. So now we have on the official record a judgement by a court of law (advisory) that murder charges can be justified against Lohmann.

So Lohmann does target practice on a 12 year old boy and the far extreme right all over the country (and world) jump up to Lohmann's defense, to say the boy Tamir Rice is dead because he's stupid and his parents are at fault besides. This was in my opinion a murder, plain and simple. The extreme right in blue and not in uniform sees a justifiable homicide protected by the law.

The right wing police and the right wing citizens march arm in arm in every instance of murder for free in the United States. Anyone who tries to say the police shooter in Cleveland or in any other instance of a white cop plugging an unarmed black guy is a liberal Democrat gets laughed out of the room and a few tomatoes in the puss besides. These gun happy cops are not liberals, they're not leftists, they're not Democrats, they're not emotionally stable nor are they mentally balanced or healthy.

They are right wing burnouts in blue.

"NRA tea party right wing cops" and "right wing burnouts in blue"???? Why do you continue to make this stuff up in your hysterical rants?

When a police officer is confronted with a person who has what appears to be a gun in their hands and refusing to drop the weapon, the officer doesn't have the luxury of much time before he has to decide what to do. Unfortunately, in this incident, a not so bright kid lost his life, and the officer will be plagued by this shooting for the rest of his life.

"Right wing burnouts in blue"??? I think not, but we may have a left wing Thai Visa poster who appears to be burned out.

[Publicus]

Prosecutors are even more right wing than the NRA tea party right wing cops they protect and let off the hook.

This Officer Lohmann who put the hit on the 12 year old Tamir Rice had a record of being unstable and of being discharged from another PD before Cleveland hired him. The Rice family used an Ohio law to take the charges directly to a judge for a finding, which is nonbinding, before a prosecutor could get his paws on the case. So now we have on the official record a judgement by a court of law (advisory) that murder charges can be justified against Lohmann.

So Lohmann does target practice on a 12 year old boy and the far extreme right all over the country (and world) jump up to Lohmann's defense, to say the boy Tamir Rice is dead because he's stupid and his parents are at fault besides. This was in my opinion a murder, plain and simple. The extreme right in blue and not in uniform sees a justifiable homicide protected by the law.

The right wing police and the right wing citizens march arm in arm in every instance of murder for free in the United States. Anyone who tries to say the police shooter in Cleveland or in any other instance of a white cop plugging an unarmed black guy is a liberal Democrat gets laughed out of the room and a few tomatoes in the puss besides. These gun happy cops are not liberals, they're not leftists, they're not Democrats, they're not emotionally stable nor are they mentally balanced or healthy.

They are right wing burnouts in blue.

"NRA tea party right wing cops" and "right wing burnouts in blue"???? Why do you continue to make this stuff up in your hysterical rants?

When a police officer is confronted with a person who has what appears to be a gun in their hands and refusing to drop the weapon, the officer doesn't have the luxury of much time before he has to decide what to do. Unfortunately, in this incident, a not so bright kid lost his life, and the officer will be plagued by this shooting for the rest of his life.

"Right wing burnouts in blue"??? I think not, but we may have a left wing Thai Visa poster who appears to be burned out.

The claim does not stand that most police are liberal Democrats. Some police are Democrats but they are conservative Democrats, among them are the so-called "Blue Dog Democrat" found primarily in the American South but scattered about elsewhere too.

The vast majority of police officers in the Untied States are conservative Republicans and too many police officers in the United States are right wingers. In its 98-year history, the Fraternal Order of Police has liked to endorse Republicans, for president especially.

FOP endorsed Bill Clinton for re-election in 1996 but before and since it's been the Republican for president that gets the endorsement of the FOP (Romney excepted because he's against police unions and all unions). Barack Obama has never been endorsed by the FOP.

Analysis based in a model that is political-cultural-social and includes economics begins to present insight and understanding of what is going on in Cleveland in the killing of Tamir Rice and in white-black shooting deaths by police elsewhere, to include the conservative prosecutors that use their powers with grand juries to protect the ideologically conservative police.

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2012/09/07/national-police-union-turns-down-romney/

Edited June 18, 2015 by Publicus