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nidieunimaitre Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 A French song, with English subtitles. Boris Vian, Le deserteur. I can only hope that this song, and other songs that I posted, will be an antidote against some disgusting war glorifying manure that can be found on this thread. Shame on those posters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arunsakda Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 (edited) A French song, with English subtitles. Boris Vian, Le deserteur. I can only hope that this song, and other songs that I posted, will be an antidote against some disgusting war glorifying manure that can be found on this thread. Shame on those posters. Bravo, surely most who posted this warmongering rubbish are chicken Hawks. The political establishment in America full of these cowards, who spent every measure of their strength avoiding deployment to Vietnam. Dick Cheney, Donald Trump. The skies of Texas patrolled by GWB in the Texas Air National guard, then AWOL when it was convenient. This is after his father gets him moved up a 7 year waiting list and taxpayers foot a million dollar bill to train him to fly.Later they lead wars of aggression and torture, the war criminals of the Bush crime family. Edited July 21, 2015 by arunsakda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoshowJones Posted July 22, 2015 Author Share Posted July 22, 2015 A French song, with English subtitles. Boris Vian, Le deserteur. I can only hope that this song, and other songs that I posted, will be an antidote against some disgusting war glorifying manure that can be found on this thread. Shame on those posters. Bravo, surely most who posted this warmongering rubbish are chicken Hawks. The political establishment in America full of these cowards, who spent every measure of their strength avoiding deployment to Vietnam. Dick Cheney, Donald Trump. The skies of Texas patrolled by GWB in the Texas Air National guard, then AWOL when it was convenient. This is after his father gets him moved up a 7 year waiting list and taxpayers foot a million dollar bill to train him to fly.Later they lead wars of aggression and torture, the war criminals of the Bush crime family. What are 'chicken hawks'? and the topic is nothing to do with 'warmongering rubbish' it is only about songs. If I was an American in 1861, I would have fought for the Confederates, but I still posted a song about the North. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rott Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 And are you classing the boul' (if late) Robert Sands MP as a warmonger? Ha Ha Ha shame on you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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bannork Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 (edited) War breaks out in the Songs of War thread Aren't all the songs glorifying war written or sung by those who came later, those who didn't suffer at the time? Hull City football fans used to sing this in the early 70s on the terraces, with a slight change in lyrics- 'all we are saying...., is give us a goal ' A forlorn request. What a great song. Edited July 22, 2015 by bannork Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nottocus Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTbTHlTmDX8 Like this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nidieunimaitre Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 And are you classing the boul' (if late) Robert Sands MP as a warmonger? Ha Ha Ha shame on you. Shame on you for assuming that I think so. In my younger days I joined demonstrations in favour of the IRA. Of course, that was before the IRA (and the UDA and others of both sides) turned into fascist drug gangs. I was too young and too naïve to understand that this was inevitable. Also I would like to note that you condemn me for what you think that I am thinking. Weird logic that does not give me a fair chance, does it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nidieunimaitre Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 A French song, with English subtitles. Boris Vian, Le deserteur. I can only hope that this song, and other songs that I posted, will be an antidote against some disgusting war glorifying manure that can be found on this thread. Shame on those posters. Bravo, surely most who posted this warmongering rubbish are chicken Hawks. The political establishment in America full of these cowards, who spent every measure of their strength avoiding deployment to Vietnam. Dick Cheney, Donald Trump. The skies of Texas patrolled by GWB in the Texas Air National guard, then AWOL when it was convenient. This is after his father gets him moved up a 7 year waiting list and taxpayers foot a million dollar bill to train him to fly. Later they lead wars of aggression and torture, the war criminals of the Bush crime family. What are 'chicken hawks'? and the topic is nothing to do with 'warmongering rubbish' it is only about songs. If I was an American in 1861, I would have fought for the Confederates, but I still posted a song about the North. You ask "what are chicken hawks"? I am not a native English speaker, but I understand the pun. And you don't? But more to the point: You start a thread about war songs, as if that is a completely normal thing to do. Songs that glorify wars..... Next you claim to be neutral, as you posted a song that was sung by "the bad" guys. Wars are not about good and bad guys, wars are about victims and mass murderers, rapists and torturers on both sides. What will be next? A thread about Tutsi and Hutu war songs, both glorifying the mass murder of their opponents? Or a Holocaust music thread, evenly presenting Theodorakis' Mauthausen and some revisionist songs? Disgusting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoshowJones Posted July 22, 2015 Author Share Posted July 22, 2015 A French song, with English subtitles. Boris Vian, Le deserteur. I can only hope that this song, and other songs that I posted, will be an antidote against some disgusting war glorifying manure that can be found on this thread. Shame on those posters. Bravo, surely most who posted this warmongering rubbish are chicken Hawks. The political establishment in America full of these cowards, who spent every measure of their strength avoiding deployment to Vietnam. Dick Cheney, Donald Trump. The skies of Texas patrolled by GWB in the Texas Air National guard, then AWOL when it was convenient. This is after his father gets him moved up a 7 year waiting list and taxpayers foot a million dollar bill to train him to fly.Later they lead wars of aggression and torture, the war criminals of the Bush crime family. What are 'chicken hawks'? and the topic is nothing to do with 'warmongering rubbish' it is only about songs.If I was an American in 1861, I would have fought for the Confederates, but I still posted a song about the North. You ask "what are chicken hawks"? I am not a native English speaker, but I understand the pun. And you don't? But more to the point: You start a thread about war songs, as if that is a completely normal thing to do. Songs that glorify wars..... Next you claim to be neutral, as you posted a song that was sung by "the bad" guys. Wars are not about good and bad guys, wars are about victims and mass murderers, rapists and torturers on both sides. What will be next? A thread about Tutsi and Hutu war songs, both glorifying the mass murder of their opponents? Or a Holocaust music thread, evenly presenting Theodorakis' Mauthausen and some revisionist songs? Disgusting. Ha Ha So all the songs are glorifying wars??????? Wars are not about the good and bad guys? What about a country that occupies another country? So one country is in another country against the will of the people and murdering them, and they are not bad guys?? Enough said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostoday Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 A French song, with English subtitles. Boris Vian, Le deserteur. I can only hope that this song, and other songs that I posted, will be an antidote against some disgusting war glorifying manure that can be found on this thread. Shame on those posters. Bravo, surely most who posted this warmongering rubbish are chicken Hawks. The political establishment in America full of these cowards, who spent every measure of their strength avoiding deployment to Vietnam. Dick Cheney, Donald Trump. The skies of Texas patrolled by GWB in the Texas Air National guard, then AWOL when it was convenient. This is after his father gets him moved up a 7 year waiting list and taxpayers foot a million dollar bill to train him to fly.Later they lead wars of aggression and torture, the war criminals of the Bush crime family. What are 'chicken hawks'? and the topic is nothing to do with 'warmongering rubbish' it is only about songs.If I was an American in 1861, I would have fought for the Confederates, but I still posted a song about the North. You ask "what are chicken hawks"? I am not a native English speaker, but I understand the pun. And you don't? But more to the point: You start a thread about war songs, as if that is a completely normal thing to do. Songs that glorify wars..... Next you claim to be neutral, as you posted a song that was sung by "the bad" guys. Wars are not about good and bad guys, wars are about victims and mass murderers, rapists and torturers on both sides. What will be next? A thread about Tutsi and Hutu war songs, both glorifying the mass murder of their opponents? Or a Holocaust music thread, evenly presenting Theodorakis' Mauthausen and some revisionist songs? Disgusting. Bloody flag is raised! (repeat) In the countryside, do you hear The roaring of these fierce soldiers? They come right to our arms To slit the throats of our sons, our friends! Grab your weapons, citizens! Form your batallions! Let us march! Let us march! May impure blood Water our fields! Frenchmen, as magnanimous warriors Sacred love of France, Lead, support our avenging arms! Grab your weapons, citizens! Form your batallions! Let us march! Let us march! May impure blood Water our fields! I think this is what it is about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redandyellow Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 My favorite song of WAR is the American National Anthem "..the bombs bursting in air.." The much-loved Anthem is a perfect example of a self-fulfilled prophecy over and over and over and over again.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostoday Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 My favorite song of WAR is the American National Anthem "..the bombs bursting in air.." The much-loved Anthem is a perfect example of a self-fulfilled prophecy over and over and over and over again.. I much prefer, When Britain First at Heaven's Command. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nidieunimaitre Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 QUOTES from POSSUM Ha Ha So all the songs are glorifying wars??????? Wars are not about the good and bad guys? What about a country that occupies another country? So one country is in another country against the will of the people and murdering them, and they are not bad guys?? Enough said. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> War songs glorify the "heroic" deeds that misled victims inflict on other victims. Do you know any war songs that talk about the true courses of war: internal party politics, geo politics, oil or coal, hiso games, greed, religion and other backward philosophies etc, and about what wars do to their victims? I would very much like that type of war songs, if you know any, please post them. Here's the ultimate "war song", with lyrics. Maria Farantouri sings Theodorakis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nidieunimaitre Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 Jimi Hendrix - Machine Gun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rott Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 If Typhoo put the T in Britain, rott put the W in we ( not me) Apples and oranges really comparing Vietnam and Ireland. It's true it was English landlords, not me, who abused and exploited Ireland for hundreds of years, the Yanks, as you say, only occupied Vietnam for just over 10 years, plus they're not neighbours. .At least the Queen had the grace to acknowledge the crimes of the past if not quite apologizing for them. Everyone can forgive and move on, that's surely right, but those who forget the past are condemned to repeat it. Can only assume bannork that you were being a keyboard warrior and taking the W from w-anchor, which you were insinuating was a description of me. Otherwise I am baffled as the "we" is there in your post no. 10. Anyway you seem to have what John Henry Newman described as "cultivated ignorance". You have completely distorted the sense of my post, which is actually difficult since I made it so simple. I am not saying there is any similarity between Ireland and Vietnam. What I am saying is that in the living memory of many Vietnamese approx six million people died there in not much over a decade. After that and the misrule of the communists they are just getting on with life and trying to improve their lot, while not forgetting what happened. The twenty six counties have been independent for almost a century, Whatever happened while they were British, it happened before almost anybody there was born. Yet the Irish have an inbuilt sense of grievance, helped along by the likes of you who have an inbuilt conscience that agrees with anybody who criticises the UK. In my lifetime all that I remember is the UK being used to provide employment and housing for Irish people when their own country could not. And more recently pumping large amounts into EU coffers roughly equivalent to what was being handed to the Republic of Ireland in subsidies, which subsequently was converted to a housing bubble. Prior to that I am aware that on the death of Hitler, De Valera went personally to the German Embassy with (his or the nation's?) condolences. Just trying to give you a bit of context and perspective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rott Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 And are you classing the boul' (if late) Robert Sands MP as a warmonger? Ha Ha Ha shame on you. Shame on you for assuming that I think so. In my younger days I joined demonstrations in favour of the IRA. Of course, that was before the IRA (and the UDA and others of both sides) turned into fascist drug gangs. I was too young and too naïve to understand that this was inevitable. Also I would like to note that you condemn me for what you think that I am thinking. Weird logic that does not give me a fair chance, does it. I am not sure that you understand correctly what I think that you think what I am thinking, if you get my drift. Possibly you do not. So you and possum do not classify Sands as a warmonger. Neither does bannork. Interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nidieunimaitre Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 And are you classing the boul' (if late) Robert Sands MP as a warmonger? Ha Ha Ha shame on you. Shame on you for assuming that I think so. In my younger days I joined demonstrations in favour of the IRA. Of course, that was before the IRA (and the UDA and others of both sides) turned into fascist drug gangs. I was too young and too naïve to understand that this was inevitable. Also I would like to note that you condemn me for what you think that I am thinking. Weird logic that does not give me a fair chance, does it. I am not sure that you understand correctly what I think that you think what I am thinking, if you get my drift. Possibly you do not. So you and possum do not classify Sands as a warmonger. Neither does bannork. Interesting. You may want to reread my post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nidieunimaitre Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 And are you classing the boul' (if late) Robert Sands MP as a warmonger? Ha Ha Ha shame on you. Shame on you for assuming that I think so. In my younger days I joined demonstrations in favour of the IRA. Of course, that was before the IRA (and the UDA and others of both sides) turned into fascist drug gangs. I was too young and too naïve to understand that this was inevitable. Also I would like to note that you condemn me for what you think that I am thinking. Weird logic that does not give me a fair chance, does it. I am not sure that you understand correctly what I think that you think what I am thinking, if you get my drift. Possibly you do not. So you and possum do not classify Sands as a warmonger. Neither does bannork. Interesting. Here's an idea: Why don't you start a Bobby Sands thread. You could post exactly what you are thinking about him. And others could reply to that. This would stop the thinking what others think that I am thinking nonsense. And we could get on with (anti) war songs - after all, that is the topic of this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rott Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 A Sands thread would be up to bannork as he introduced the topic. Anyway enough from me. Peace and love man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arunsakda Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4FuqVbwifk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannork Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 A Sands thread would be up to bannork as he introduced the topic. Anyway enough from me. Peace and love man. A Bobby Sands thread-I don't think they'll be too much interest in that on Thai Visa unless George adds an Irish forum to the current Pattaya, Chiang Mai, Issan, etc regional forums! As I said: was he a political prisoner or a killer?- it just depends on your viewpoint, surely. Neil Young and Indians being massacred Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rgs2001uk Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 Could all those who dont hold one of these please exit stage left. Fed up with plastic paddys from New York, Boston or Sydney trying to tell us how we should think. Yeah man, that was some killer weed, lets put the world to rights, yeah man, how about the PLO, RAF or IRA, middle class wannabes the lot of 'em, soon discraded their views and joined the system. Whats was the famous phrase, if you aint a member of the Commie party by the time you are 25 there is something wrong with you, if you are still a member after 25 there is definitely something wrong with you. What was the famous phrase by Joyce? "What liberation is it to cast out the political tyranny of England and remain under the intellectual tyranny of Rome? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannork Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 I think the papal influence is waning in the emerald isle these days rgs, not before time imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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