Koh Tao: Trial opens for 2 accused of killing British tourists

[AleG]

Does it really Matter???

Boy, Man, Young Man, Kid... Its just a personal phrase that's totally irrelevant to the case of David and Hannah. It will no have bearing in court proceedings.

What will have a bearing though is the things you aren't focusing on and that's the evidence that's coming up.

Sean McAnna has reinvented himself by the way.

New McAnna.jpg

Whereas stalking and cyber-bullying remains the same.

You'll only end up hurting yourself with this beheaviour.

[saminoz]

Me too 100%'agree.

This must be the "glee club" I keep hearing about.

One of the men was arrested trying to flee the island the day after he became a suspect, the Bangkok Post article "Koh Tao murders: DNA matches, confessions obtained, crime re-enacted" points out the police began following Win on the 30th.

October 2nd: "another team of police officers arrested the third man at a Surat Thani municipal pier after it was discovered that he had boarded a boat and left Koh Tao Island late last night (thus October 1st).

He was escorted to 8^th Region Police headquarters for questioning."

It's quite telling how the armchair detectives seem to forget small details like these.

Of course now some new spin must be concocted to explain why in that case fleeing (actual fleeing, not Boomerangutang's fictions) is not indicative of guilt.

That makes a lovely little fiction. This must have been the RTP's first run at a "confession". It bears no resemblance to the story that the two were supposed to have told the lawyers, doctor, human rights abuser and banana roti seller.

Thai PBS, the hub of retractions. If this tale is supposed to be true, why is the third suspect not on trial too?

Edited August 1, 2015 by saminoz

[Rykbanlor]

Third Burmese said he did not witness murder

A third Burmese man, Maung Maung, who is being held in custody as a witness to a case involving the murder of two British tourists on the Thai island of Koh Tao, said he did not witness the killing.

Lawyer Aung Myo Thant and MAT representative Kyaw Thaung both confirmed to DVB that Maung Maung had told the embassy team that he had witnessed Zaw Lin and Win Zaw Htun in bed sleeping when he returned to the room at 5am and that nothing seemed suspicious.

According to Kyaw Thaung: “Maung Maung said he woke them up and asked them, ‘Where is the guitar?’ at which point one of the pair indicated it was in AC Bar [where the British couple, Hannah Witheridge and David Miller, had been drinking with friends the night before]. Maung Maung said he then went to AC Bar to look for the guitar and his sandals, ‘because they were expensive – 350 baht’, he said.

https://www.dvb.no/news/third-burmese-said-he-did-not-witness-murder-burma-myanmar/44856

Muang Muang.jpg

PerfectInvestigation-BengaliRotiSeller.jpg

Maybe you can shed some light on this aspect? Was this Maung Maung character the third person initially arrested and then released? Secondly, he alleged he left the two defendants and went and stayed drinking with his girlfriend until he returned home and discovered them sleeping at 5.00am. Was his state and the degree of intoxication ever mentioned or questioned, am I right in recalling him alleging he was drunk? Can some one be heavily intoxicated and still remember specific details of an event, maybe yes, maybe no.

Was his girlfriend ever spoken to in order to corroborate his whereabouts and state of intoxication? He seems to slip in and out of the picture without much being mentioned as to his whereabouts between the hours relevant to the murders. If she provided corroboration, then fair enough but if she didn't then he should never have been ruled out as a person of interest and more inquiries carried out. Was his movements after 5.00am ever corroborated? I don't know, hence my asking these questions but when considering how the initial investigation was a monumental stuff up, maybe this was just another aspect that the RTP deemed irrelevant and subsequently failed to investigate. If they did, and it was above board, then my apologies.

I fear, as you say, that it is probably one of umpteen avenues that the Police didn't have the foresight or could not be bothered to investigate. One can either look upon it as gross negligence or incompetence regarding the Police handling of the case, or that if it is a set up then it's just another lead they have to ignore as it won't stay consistent with the story as has been presented by the prosecution. To my knowledge these points have not been corroborated but who knows what the Police have in their reports that haven't been revealed to the media/general public.

[docshock13]

Does it really Matter???

Boy, Man, Young Man, Kid... Its just a personal phrase that's totally irrelevant to the case of David and Hannah. It will no have bearing in court proceedings.

What will have a bearing though is the things you aren't focusing on and that's the evidence that's coming up.

Sean McAnna has reinvented himself by the way.

New McAnna.jpg

Whereas stalking and cyber-bullying remains the same.

You'll only end up hurting yourself with this beheaviour.

Absolutely relentless.

First off, looking at someone's FB page is not stalking. People have FB pages so people will look at them. It is in the public domain.

If loono has been posting threats to said page, then I would agree it is stalking and cyber-bullying.

Speaking of threats..."You'll only end up hurting yourself with this beheaviour."

[AleG]

This must be the "glee club" I keep hearing about.

One of the men was arrested trying to flee the island the day after he became a suspect, the Bangkok Post article "Koh Tao murders: DNA matches, confessions obtained, crime re-enacted" points out the police began following Win on the 30th.

October 2nd: "another team of police officers arrested the third man at a Surat Thani municipal pier after it was discovered that he had boarded a boat and left Koh Tao Island late last night (thus October 1st).

He was escorted to 8^th Region Police headquarters for questioning."

It's quite telling how the armchair detectives seem to forget small details like these.

Of course now some new spin must be concocted to explain why in that case fleeing (actual fleeing, not Boomerangutang's fictions) is not indicative of guilt.

That makes a lovely little fiction. This must have been the RTP's first run at a "confession". It bears no resemblance to the story that the two were supposed to have told the lawyers, doctor, human rights abuser and banana roti seller.

Thai PBS, the hub of retractions. If this tale is supposed to be true, why is the third suspect not on trial too?

You may call it fiction, but then it would mean you are in denial. Win Zaw was the one arrested at the pier, you may have noticed that he is one of the two men on trial. The third one was released because he was not involved in the murders.

[AleG]

Does it really Matter???

Boy, Man, Young Man, Kid... Its just a personal phrase that's totally irrelevant to the case of David and Hannah. It will no have bearing in court proceedings.

What will have a bearing though is the things you aren't focusing on and that's the evidence that's coming up.

Sean McAnna has reinvented himself by the way.

New McAnna.jpg

Whereas stalking and cyber-bullying remains the same.

You'll only end up hurting yourself with this beheaviour.

Absolutely relentless.

First off, looking at someone's FB page is not stalking. People have FB pages so people will look at them. It is in the public domain.

If loono has been posting threats to said page, then I would agree it is stalking and cyber-bullying.

Speaking of threats..."You'll only end up hurting yourself with this beheaviour."

You must be oblivious to loonodingle or the other and others campaign of harassment again Sean McAnna; or you are aware of it and don't see anything wrong with chasing someone around accusing him of being involved in either the murder of his friend or in a supposed cover-up for the "real killers".

I wonder what Human Rights organizations would think of such beheaviour?

Edited August 1, 2015 by AleG

[Darkknight666]

Here is my take on the supposed admittance of guilt after the 'safe house'. It harkens to what happened at the 'safe house' It's likely they were tortured, perhaps both psychologically and physically. It's quite common for authorities, all over the world, to tell suspects something like, "Admit the crime, and you won't get the death penalty. Hang tough, and insist on your innocence, and we will find you guilty and you will die." So, having no inkling of the law or their rights, they signed a piece of paper they couldn't read, with no advocates within shouting distance. Next, they're sitting again with older stern-faced men. They're still spooked by the earlier scenario, and they still don't want to be executed, so they stick with their forced confession. At some point soon after, they're apprised of their basic legal rights for the first time, and quickly tell the truth: they were tortured and forced to confess to a crime they didn't do. they've been unwavering in declaring their innocence ever since. Indeed, they and their lawyers are clammoring for re-testing of crucial evidence. that's not the actions of guilty people.

Here's how guilty people act:

>>> they pay money to get people to convince others of their innocence, no matter how outlandish

>>> They avoid DNA tests

>>> They keep hiding from police

>>> They threaten anyone who may have evidence or witness accounts (I just heard today that the Burmese woman who first found the bodies of H and D has just been killed)

>>> They threaten defamation of character lawsuits

>>> They offer 1 million baht rewards for anyone who can prove their family member is guilty. What are the chances that reward will ever be paid? Zero.

>>> They disparage the reputation of others who they try to frame as scapegoats (Headman telling everyone Sean is a paedophile)

>>> They destroy evidence

>>> They stage a DNA comparison press event which doesn't do what it's purported to do.

>>> They obfuscate things, and lie like rugs.

>>> They pay people to lie about things.

How many of those things are being done by the B2? None. How many are being done by the Headman's people? All.

Nailed it.

What do police always use when determining suspects? Motive, Intent, Ability and odd behavior after the crime, Usually when trying to cover ones tracks.

B2 lack all of those things.

I personally think if the B2 were guilty they would have attempted some kind of escape, As we all know the Island was hardly "locked down". Great post Boomer.

Yes agree too.

Me too 100%'agree.

This must be the "glee club" I keep hearing about.

One of the men was arrested trying to flee the island the day after he became a suspect, the Bangkok Post article "Koh Tao murders: DNA matches, confessions obtained, crime re-enacted" points out the police began following Win on the 30th.

October 2nd: "another team of police officers arrested the third man at a Surat Thani municipal pier after it was discovered that he had boarded a boat and left Koh Tao Island late last night (thus October 1st).

He was escorted to 8^th Region Police headquarters for questioning."

It's quite telling how the armchair detectives seem to forget small details like these.

Of course now some new spin must be concocted to explain why in that case fleeing (actual fleeing, not Boomerangutang's fictions) is not indicative of guilt.

Wait, you're saying Maung Maung was caught fleeing, after the B2 had been arrested for murder?

If what he says is true, I'd run too! I'd know I saw my two friends sleeping at the time of the crime therefore I'd know they weren't likely to be the killers. Would you stick around?

[Nigeone]

AleG

You notice I haven't replied or commented on you and your buddies various comments. Yes I am still here and you guys

are actually much like your friends and their Prosecution case.

Without any credibility and lacking any morality. Judgement day is coming stick around. I wouldn't want you guys

to miss it. And just so you don't waste your time in replying I'm not going to bite !

[Darkknight666]

Much more to read in the article, But.....

"As Thai police now said they have obtained photograph of two Thai men while sexually harassing the British tourist Hannah Witheridge and assaulting her friend David Miller while trying to protect her at a beach bar, another British man who was friend to David recalled the nightmare on the night of the murder to British newspapers today of being threatened with life by Thai mafias who tried to force him to admit to the murder of the two victims."

It's not a rumor when cops accuse, it's an allegation.

http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/frightened-british-tourist-says-thai-mafia-may-killed-two-british-tourists-koh-tao

Edit: forgot quotations

Edited August 1, 2015 by Darkknight666

[Nigeone]

And as a footnote. Your buddy who wasn't there apparently and wasn't involved in the murders was busy running around the Island Like a demented chicken with his head cut off and yet the ' murderers ' after committing such a gruesome crime and splattered with blood and goodness knows what went quietly to bed and to sleep and no doubt dream. Yes that all sounds likely doesn't it. After all they had work next day and perish the thought that a little battering and killing of people would get in the way of that. No guys, smell the coffee.! Hardened criminals with a life of crime and murder couldn't do that !! But crack on with your version if you like because there's only 3 of you believing it.

Edited August 1, 2015 by Nigeone

[Darkknight666]

And as a footnote. Your buddy who wasn't there apparently and wasn't involved in the murders was busy running around the Island Like a demented chicken with his head cut off and yet the ' murderers ' after committing such a gruesome crime and splattered with blood and goodness knows what went quietly to bed and to sleep and no doubt dream. Yes that all sounds likely doesn't it. After all they had work next day and perish the thought that a little battering and killing of people would get in the way of that. No guys, smell the coffee.! Hardened criminals with a life of crime and murder couldn't do that !! But crack on with your version if you like because there's only 3 of you believing it.

Out of "likes" Nige..... Have a :beer: instead.

[docshock13]

Does it really Matter???

Boy, Man, Young Man, Kid... Its just a personal phrase that's totally irrelevant to the case of David and Hannah. It will no have bearing in court proceedings.

What will have a bearing though is the things you aren't focusing on and that's the evidence that's coming up.

Sean McAnna has reinvented himself by the way.

New McAnna.jpg

Whereas stalking and cyber-bullying remains the same.

You'll only end up hurting yourself with this beheaviour.

Absolutely relentless.

First off, looking at someone's FB page is not stalking. People have FB pages so people will look at them. It is in the public domain.

If loono has been posting threats to said page, then I would agree it is stalking and cyber-bullying.

Speaking of threats..."You'll only end up hurting yourself with this beheaviour."

You must be oblivious to loonodingle or the other and others campaign of harassment again Sean McAnna; or you are aware of it and don't see anything wrong with chasing someone around accusing him of being involved in either the murder of his friend or in a supposed cover-up for the "real killers".

I wonder what Human Rights organizations would think of such beheaviour?

Guilty as charged. If there is such a "campaign of harrassment," I am indeed oblivious to it. Or perhaps there isn't one. Maybe just people on a public forum sharing their opinions. Seems pretty benign to me.

I think it is time to look in the mirror and really see who is sensationalizing things, "chasing" people down (on this thread), engaging in cyber-bullying, making accusations and (thinly veiled) threats.

As to your claim that Mr. McAnna's (aka Sean DiLupo, Sean Albain) human rights have been violated, bring it up with the relevant authorities if you feel so strongly about it.

If and when you present your case to a human rights commission, don't forget to mention the human rights of the children that Mr. McAnna accessed images of being abused.

Twisted.

[loonodingle]

Does it really Matter???

Boy, Man, Young Man, Kid... Its just a personal phrase that's totally irrelevant to the case of David and Hannah. It will no have bearing in court proceedings.

What will have a bearing though is the things you aren't focusing on and that's the evidence that's coming up.

Sean McAnna has reinvented himself by the way.

New McAnna.jpg

Whereas stalking and cyber-bullying remains the same.

You'll only end up hurting yourself with this beheaviour.

Absolutely relentless.

First off, looking at someone's FB page is not stalking. People have FB pages so people will look at them. It is in the public domain.

If loono has been posting threats to said page, then I would agree it is stalking and cyber-bullying.

Speaking of threats..."You'll only end up hurting yourself with this beheaviour."

You must be oblivious to loonodingle or the other and others campaign of harassment again Sean McAnna; or you are aware of it and don't see anything wrong with chasing someone around accusing him of being involved in either the murder of his friend or in a supposed cover-up for the "real killers".

I wonder what Human Rights organizations would think of such beheaviour?

Ali G...................

Just do this one thing... Name one other person who was on the Island who has fingered the killers. Just one Falang??? Can you??

And tell me this on what grounds do YOU have not to take seriously his allegations.

You all discuss this person or that person however that's fine hey as you have a special pass on here is that right. You have don't Jack Sheet. Absolutely jack to assist anyone in this case.

So you and I are in a different league. I have information I cant put on here you don't. you have nothing. You know nothing about the work done in the UK and Italy. Nothing.

[stephenterry]

And as a footnote. Your buddy who wasn't there apparently and wasn't involved in the murders was busy running around the Island Like a demented chicken with his head cut off and yet the ' murderers ' after committing such a gruesome crime and splattered with blood and goodness knows what went quietly to bed and to sleep and no doubt dream. Yes that all sounds likely doesn't it. After all they had work next day and perish the thought that a little battering and killing of people would get in the way of that. No guys, smell the coffee.! Hardened criminals with a life of crime and murder couldn't do that !! But crack on with your version if you like because there's only 3 of you believing it.

I agree with that scenario, but their alibi has yet to be substantiated in court if it is challenged. Not that I think the rtp has the capability. Be patient.

[saminoz]

This must be the "glee club" I keep hearing about.

One of the men was arrested trying to flee the island the day after he became a suspect, the Bangkok Post article "Koh Tao murders: DNA matches, confessions obtained, crime re-enacted" points out the police began following Win on the 30th.

October 2nd: "another team of police officers arrested the third man at a Surat Thani municipal pier after it was discovered that he had boarded a boat and left Koh Tao Island late last night (thus October 1st).

He was escorted to 8^th Region Police headquarters for questioning."

It's quite telling how the armchair detectives seem to forget small details like these.

Of course now some new spin must be concocted to explain why in that case fleeing (actual fleeing, not Boomerangutang's fictions) is not indicative of guilt.

That makes a lovely little fiction. This must have been the RTP's first run at a "confession". It bears no resemblance to the story that the two were supposed to have told the lawyers, doctor, human rights abuser and banana roti seller.

Thai PBS, the hub of retractions. If this tale is supposed to be true, why is the third suspect not on trial too?

You may call it fiction, but then it would mean you are in denial. Win Zaw was the one arrested at the pier, you may have noticed that he is one of the two men on trial. The third one was released because he was not involved in the murders.

I think you are as confused as the investigators and the reporting at that time. Where does it say that it was Win who was arrested on the pier? I am not saying it wasn't but I just need some clarification please.

You see the link you provided says that the two who were taken to the safe house were the ones who confessed. Yet the story also says that Win implicated them.

If you then follow the link from that PBS page entitled "Myanmar suspect confesses to the rape- murder of British tourists" it says that this suspect was a construction worker and yet we all know that Win and Zaw were waiters. Confused? I thought so. "Pol Gen Jakthip Chichinda, deputy commissioner of the Royal Thai Police who was just appointed to head the investigation team, said one construction worker has confessed to the murder".

You see, the story your post pointed us to said that "Originally, two of the three suspects, all Arakanese from Arakan state in Myanmar, were apprehended by police early in the morning hours. These two men were currently being employed as waiters in a restaurant on the island."

You can see that the whole mess is confused and that the Police did not seem to know who they had, where they had them and whether they had confessed or not.

I would think that the lead investigator's job, amongst trying to carry out an impartial and professional investigation, would be to get the RTP's fiction story straight so that the rest of the goons could at least attempt to stick to just one story line.

Evidently, he failed miserably at this.

Now, we know that Win and Zaw were waiters which would kind of point to the third one, the "runner" being the construction worker. Now, at this time Police general Somyot was saying the latest DNA testings confirmed the two suspects, Newin or Win, and Cho (?!!), are the murderers, while the third suspect known as Mao confessed only he played guitar with the two on the log near the scene.

Edited August 1, 2015 by saminoz

[loonodingle]

Whereas stalking and cyber-bullying remains the same.

You'll only end up hurting yourself with this beheaviour.

Absolutely relentless.

First off, looking at someone's FB page is not stalking. People have FB pages so people will look at them. It is in the public domain.

If loono has been posting threats to said page, then I would agree it is stalking and cyber-bullying.

Speaking of threats..."You'll only end up hurting yourself with this beheaviour."

You must be oblivious to loonodingle or the other and others campaign of harassment again Sean McAnna; or you are aware of it and don't see anything wrong with chasing someone around accusing him of being involved in either the murder of his friend or in a supposed cover-up for the "real killers".

I wonder what Human Rights organizations would think of such beheaviour?

Guilty as charged. If there is such a "campaign of harrassment," I am indeed oblivious to it. Or perhaps there isn't one. Maybe just people on a public forum sharing their opinions. Seems pretty benign to me.

I think it is time to look in the mirror and really see who is sensationalizing things, "chasing" people down (on this thread), engaging in cyber-bullying, making accusations and (thinly veiled) threats.

As to your claim that Mr. McAnna's (aka Sean DiLupo, Sean Albain) human rights have been violated, bring it up with the relevant authorities if you feel so strongly about it.

If and when you present your case to a human rights commission, don't forget to mention the human rights of the children that Mr. McAnna accessed images of being abused.

Twisted.

Agreed. Why don't you contact this newspaper and tell them how concerned you are for Sean. Sorry mate I am not in your club: Excuses for your buddy's etc: See details below

[stephenterry]

Does it really Matter???

Boy, Man, Young Man, Kid... Its just a personal phrase that's totally irrelevant to the case of David and Hannah. It will no have bearing in court proceedings.

What will have a bearing though is the things you aren't focusing on and that's the evidence that's coming up.

Sean McAnna has reinvented himself by the way.

New McAnna.jpg

Whereas stalking and cyber-bullying remains the same.

You'll only end up hurting yourself with this beheaviour.

Absolutely relentless.

First off, looking at someone's FB page is not stalking. People have FB pages so people will look at them. It is in the public domain.

If loono has been posting threats to said page, then I would agree it is stalking and cyber-bullying.

Speaking of threats..."You'll only end up hurting yourself with this beheaviour."

You must be oblivious to loonodingle or the other and others campaign of harassment again Sean McAnna; or you are aware of it and don't see anything wrong with chasing someone around accusing him of being involved in either the murder of his friend or in a supposed cover-up for the "real killers".

I wonder what Human Rights organizations would think of such beheaviour?

Ali G...................

Just do this one thing... Name one other person who was on the Island who has fingered the killers. Just one Falang??? Can you??

And tell me this on what grounds do YOU have not to take seriously his allegations.

You all discuss this person or that person however that's fine hey as you have a special pass on here is that right. You have don't Jack Sheet. Absolutely jack to assist anyone in this case.

So you and I are in a different league. I have information I cant put on here you don't. you have nothing. You know nothing about the work done in the UK and Italy. Nothing.

Keep a tight lid on it. Don't be drawn into revealing anything that could pre warn the rtp.

[dundee48]

I feel for there Parents, they must be going through a Terrible time..

so so sad...

i just hope the Truth comes out and there is some Justice to this case..

Very telling that there is no `likes` from the shills to this post.

[Darkknight666]

Whereas stalking and cyber-bullying remains the same.

You'll only end up hurting yourself with this beheaviour.

Absolutely relentless.

First off, looking at someone's FB page is not stalking. People have FB pages so people will look at them. It is in the public domain.

If loono has been posting threats to said page, then I would agree it is stalking and cyber-bullying.

Speaking of threats..."You'll only end up hurting yourself with this beheaviour."

You must be oblivious to loonodingle or the other and others campaign of harassment again Sean McAnna; or you are aware of it and don't see anything wrong with chasing someone around accusing him of being involved in either the murder of his friend or in a supposed cover-up for the "real killers".

I wonder what Human Rights organizations would think of such beheaviour?

Guilty as charged. If there is such a "campaign of harrassment," I am indeed oblivious to it. Or perhaps there isn't one. Maybe just people on a public forum sharing their opinions. Seems pretty benign to me.

I think it is time to look in the mirror and really see who is sensationalizing things, "chasing" people down (on this thread), engaging in cyber-bullying, making accusations and (thinly veiled) threats.

As to your claim that Mr. McAnna's (aka Sean DiLupo, Sean Albain) human rights have been violated, bring it up with the relevant authorities if you feel so strongly about it.

If and when you present your case to a human rights commission, don't forget to mention the human rights of the children that Mr. McAnna accessed images of being abused.

Twisted.

Agreed. Why don't you contact this newspaper and tell them how concerned you are for Sean. Sorry mate I am not in your club: Excuses for your buddy's etc: See details below

sean cp.jpg

Sean says the kiddie porn was a mistake, you see he just downloaded regular porn and didn't know the kiddie porn was in there... Chuckle.

Same as he claims he has no idea who committed the crime.

[loonodingle]

And as a footnote. Your buddy who wasn't there apparently and wasn't involved in the murders was busy running around the Island Like a demented chicken with his head cut off and yet the ' murderers ' after committing such a gruesome crime and splattered with blood and goodness knows what went quietly to bed and to sleep and no doubt dream. Yes that all sounds likely doesn't it. After all they had work next day and perish the thought that a little battering and killing of people would get in the way of that. No guys, smell the coffee.! Hardened criminals with a life of crime and murder couldn't do that !! But crack on with your version if you like because there's only 3 of you believing it.

Only a professional hitman would just go about his business the next day hey!!!

Anyone else would do a runner. Lay low.. get their head down. Perhaps change their appearance a bit. Haircut and a shave maybe. Get their lawyer on the phone. Get onto daddy to pull strings? Just a fictional presumption. But you get my drift.

What do killers really do after the event?

[AleG]

This must be the "glee club" I keep hearing about.

One of the men was arrested trying to flee the island the day after he became a suspect, the Bangkok Post article "Koh Tao murders: DNA matches, confessions obtained, crime re-enacted" points out the police began following Win on the 30th.

October 2nd: "another team of police officers arrested the third man at a Surat Thani municipal pier after it was discovered that he had boarded a boat and left Koh Tao Island late last night (thus October 1st).

He was escorted to 8^th Region Police headquarters for questioning."

It's quite telling how the armchair detectives seem to forget small details like these.

Of course now some new spin must be concocted to explain why in that case fleeing (actual fleeing, not Boomerangutang's fictions) is not indicative of guilt.

That makes a lovely little fiction. This must have been the RTP's first run at a "confession". It bears no resemblance to the story that the two were supposed to have told the lawyers, doctor, human rights abuser and banana roti seller.

Thai PBS, the hub of retractions. If this tale is supposed to be true, why is the third suspect not on trial too?

You may call it fiction, but then it would mean you are in denial. Win Zaw was the one arrested at the pier, you may have noticed that he is one of the two men on trial. The third one was released because he was not involved in the murders.

I think you are as confused as the investigators and the reporting at that time. Where does it say that it was Win who was arrested on the pier? I am not saying it wasn't but I just need some clarification please.

You see the link you provided says that the two who were taken to the safe house were the ones who confessed. Yet the story also says that Win implicated them.

If you then follow the link from that PBS page entitled "Myanmar suspect confesses to the rape- murder of British tourists" it says that this suspect was a construction worker and yet we all know that Win and Zaw were waiters. Confused? I thought so. "Pol Gen Jakthip Chichinda, deputy commissioner of the Royal Thai Police who was just appointed to head the investigation team, said one construction worker has confessed to the murder".

You see, the story your post pointed us to said that "Originally, two of the three suspects, all Arakanese from Arakan state in Myanmar, were apprehended by police early in the morning hours. These two men were currently being employed as waiters in a restaurant on the island."

You can see that the whole mess is confused and that the Police did not seem to know who they had, where they had them and whether they had confessed or not.

I would think that the lead investigator's job, amongst trying to carry out an impartial and professional investigation, would be to get the RTP's fiction story straight so that the rest of the goons could at least attempt to stick to just one story line.

Evidently, he failed miserably at this.

Now, we know that Win and Zaw were waiters which would kind of point to the third one, the "runner" being the construction worker. Now, at this time Police general Somyot was saying the latest DNA testings confirmed the two suspects, Newin or Win, and Cho (?!!), are the murderers, while the third suspect known as Mao confessed only he played guitar with the two on the log near the scene.

Actually yes, I got confused, it was Wai not Win that got arrested at the pier in Surat Thani, something you would know if you'd care to be more informed and less opinionated:

"Wai Phyo at a ferry terminal in Muang district in the Surat Thani province on the mainland."

[boomerangutang]

This must be the "glee club" I keep hearing about.

One of the men was arrested trying to flee the island the day after he became a suspect, the Bangkok Post article "Koh Tao murders: DNA matches, confessions obtained, crime re-enacted" points out the police began following Win on the 30th.

October 2nd: "another team of police officers arrested the third man at a Surat Thani municipal pier after it was discovered that he had boarded a boat and left Koh Tao Island late last night (thus October 1st).

He was escorted to 8^th Region Police headquarters for questioning."

It's quite telling how the armchair detectives seem to forget small details like these.

Of course now some new spin must be concocted to explain why in that case fleeing (actual fleeing, not Boomerangutang's fictions) is not indicative of guilt.

That makes a lovely little fiction. This must have been the RTP's first run at a "confession". It bears no resemblance to the story that the two were supposed to have told the lawyers, doctor, human rights abuser and banana roti seller.

Thai PBS, the hub of retractions. If this tale is supposed to be true, why is the third suspect not on trial too?

You may call it fiction, but then it would mean you are in denial. Win Zaw was the one arrested at the pier, you may have noticed that he is one of the two men on trial. The third one was released because he was not involved in the murders.

I think if I'd been falsely accused of a crime, I might slip off the island also. I can't speak for Win, but he may have had some reason for going to a nearby island - to buy something that can't be found on little Ko Tao? .....to see a friend?

I recall hearing that there was a sepak tekraw game on the beach, with Burmese playing, and RTP come on the scene wanting to dragnet them all in. Three of the boys managed to run off (good for them). Cops don't like it when boys run off after being shouted at to stand still and be scrutinized. Cops' anger could have prompted them to focus on the three who successfully ran off.

AleG states: " The third one was released because he was not involved in the murders."

Boomer responds: I think MM was released for other reasons. For starters, police wanted MM involved for three basic reasons:

>>> He's Burmese

>>> He more closely resembles Running Man than the other two, though not nearly as closely as you-know-who

>>> Even the police admit (or they should admit) that two little guys couldn't have pulled off the crime on their own.

I think MM was released because

A. He's a bit more savvy than the other two, and probably knew a bit about his legal rights. For example, he may have asked for a lawyer when the torture began.

B. RTP are hoping he can be a witness for the prosecution. Thus far, that looks doubtful, but RTP can always hope or cajole ......or pay.

[stephenterry]

I'm going to suggest that there is or will be a poster on here who professes to support the b2 but is seeking information to assist the prosecution. It could be me.

[AleG]

You must be oblivious to loonodingle or the other and others campaign of harassment again Sean McAnna; or you are aware of it and don't see anything wrong with chasing someone around accusing him of being involved in either the murder of his friend or in a supposed cover-up for the "real killers".

I wonder what Human Rights organizations would think of such beheaviour?

Ali G...................

Just do this one thing... Name one other person who was on the Island who has fingered the killers. Just one Falang??? Can you??

And tell me this on what grounds do YOU have not to take seriously his allegations.

You all discuss this person or that person however that's fine hey as you have a special pass on here is that right. You have don't Jack Sheet. Absolutely jack to assist anyone in this case.

So you and I are in a different league. I have information I cant put on here you don't. you have nothing. You know nothing about the work done in the UK and Italy. Nothing.

Yes, who is this farang that fingered the killers? You think it was Sean McAnna?, if you do you are wrong.

Indeed we are in a different league, I have standards of intellectual honesty for starters.

[Darkknight666]

I feel for there Parents, they must be going through a Terrible time..

so so sad...

i just hope the Truth comes out and there is some Justice to this case..

Very telling that there is no `likes` from the shills to this post.

Once again I'm out of "likes" but yes, isn't it? They care about protecting Koh Tao, not the victims or families.

[Nigeone]

And as a footnote. Your buddy who wasn't there apparently and wasn't involved in the murders was busy running around the Island Like a demented chicken with his head cut off and yet the ' murderers ' after committing such a gruesome crime and splattered with blood and goodness knows what went quietly to bed and to sleep and no doubt dream. Yes that all sounds likely doesn't it. After all they had work next day and perish the thought that a little battering and killing of people would get in the way of that. No guys, smell the coffee.! Hardened criminals with a life of crime and murder couldn't do that !! But crack on with your version if you like because there's only 3 of you believing it.

Only a professional hitman would just go about his business the next day hey!!!

Anyone else would do a runner. Lay low.. get their head down. Perhaps change their appearance a bit. Haircut and a shave maybe. Get their lawyer on the phone. Get onto daddy to pull strings? Just a fictional presumption. But you get my drift.

What do killers really do after the event?

Worry and shit themselves. Double murder and rape ! Long time inside maybe death penalty. Look for a escape route, a alibi maybe get in touch with powerful friends who can help. Get the hell,out of there as quick as possible, cover there movements . Go to,sleep and rest for work next day ?? Nah don't thing so. Or maybe stitch someone else up with the help of influential friends !

[docshock13]

You must be oblivious to loonodingle or the other and others campaign of harassment again Sean McAnna; or you are aware of it and don't see anything wrong with chasing someone around accusing him of being involved in either the murder of his friend or in a supposed cover-up for the "real killers".

I wonder what Human Rights organizations would think of such beheaviour?

Ali G...................

Just do this one thing... Name one other person who was on the Island who has fingered the killers. Just one Falang??? Can you??

And tell me this on what grounds do YOU have not to take seriously his allegations.

You all discuss this person or that person however that's fine hey as you have a special pass on here is that right. You have don't Jack Sheet. Absolutely jack to assist anyone in this case.

So you and I are in a different league. I have information I cant put on here you don't. you have nothing. You know nothing about the work done in the UK and Italy. Nothing.

Yes, who is this farang that fingered the killers? You think it was Sean McAnna?, if you do you are wrong.

Indeed we are in a different league, I have standards of intellectual honesty for starters.

Give it a rest. Who is stalking and harrassing who now?

[saminoz]

You may call it fiction, but then it would mean you are in denial. Win Zaw was the one arrested at the pier, you may have noticed that he is one of the two men on trial. The third one was released because he was not involved in the murders.

I think you are as confused as the investigators and the reporting at that time. Where does it say that it was Win who was arrested on the pier? I am not saying it wasn't but I just need some clarification please.

You see the link you provided says that the two who were taken to the safe house were the ones who confessed. Yet the story also says that Win implicated them.

If you then follow the link from that PBS page entitled "Myanmar suspect confesses to the rape- murder of British tourists" it says that this suspect was a construction worker and yet we all know that Win and Zaw were waiters. Confused? I thought so. "Pol Gen Jakthip Chichinda, deputy commissioner of the Royal Thai Police who was just appointed to head the investigation team, said one construction worker has confessed to the murder".

You see, the story your post pointed us to said that "Originally, two of the three suspects, all Arakanese from Arakan state in Myanmar, were apprehended by police early in the morning hours. These two men were currently being employed as waiters in a restaurant on the island."

You can see that the whole mess is confused and that the Police did not seem to know who they had, where they had them and whether they had confessed or not.

I would think that the lead investigator's job, amongst trying to carry out an impartial and professional investigation, would be to get the RTP's fiction story straight so that the rest of the goons could at least attempt to stick to just one story line.

Evidently, he failed miserably at this.

Now, we know that Win and Zaw were waiters which would kind of point to the third one, the "runner" being the construction worker. Now, at this time Police general Somyot was saying the latest DNA testings confirmed the two suspects, Newin or Win, and Cho (?!!), are the murderers, while the third suspect known as Mao confessed only he played guitar with the two on the log near the scene.

Actually yes, I got confused, it was Wai not Win that got arrested at the pier in Surat Thani, something you would know if you'd care to be more informed and less opinionated:

"Wai Phyo at a ferry terminal in Muang district in the Surat Thani province on the mainland."

LMAO!!

You just admit to making an error in your damning post and then tell me to be more informed? What a dumb comment!

It is the fact that I do tend to delve into the back story and actually post the relevant bits that pisses you apologists off so much!

You are in an exceedingly dumb, exceedingly marginalised minority of deluded shills. I understand why you try and come out fighting but you just don't have the ammunition.

In short, the lot of you continue to bring bananas to gun fights and then wonder why you get roundly smacked each and every time.

You are trying to defend the indefensible and failing at that.

I kind of admire the fact that you seem to be trying to rally as a group, albeit unsuccessfully. Wasn't it this time last week when you were all called in to the office and told to raise your games? FAIL!!!!!

At this time you're all embarrassing yourselves again.

edit: I forgot to say thanks! At this point in time I am at 65 likes just for today, no doubt because the majority of the right thinking folks on here also think I am just opinionated and ill-informed!

Edited August 1, 2015 by saminoz

[stephenterry]

And as a footnote. Your buddy who wasn't there apparently and wasn't involved in the murders was busy running around the Island Like a demented chicken with his head cut off and yet the ' murderers ' after committing such a gruesome crime and splattered with blood and goodness knows what went quietly to bed and to sleep and no doubt dream. Yes that all sounds likely doesn't it. After all they had work next day and perish the thought that a little battering and killing of people would get in the way of that. No guys, smell the coffee.! Hardened criminals with a life of crime and murder couldn't do that !! But crack on with your version if you like because there's only 3 of you believing it.

Only a professional hitman would just go about his business the next day hey!!!

Anyone else would do a runner. Lay low.. get their head down. Perhaps change their appearance a bit. Haircut and a shave maybe. Get their lawyer on the phone. Get onto daddy to pull strings? Just a fictional presumption. But you get my drift.

What do killers really do after the event?

on the assumption that it's not the first time, probably go to sleep . In Thailand it's normal to run away.

[StealthEnergiser]

I feel for there Parents, they must be going through a Terrible time..

so so sad...

i just hope the Truth comes out and there is some Justice to this case..

Very telling that there is no `likes` from the shills to this post.

Yes I agree especially when they are told by thai police that the case is solid against the b2 and then read news like this .

"The defence theory is that the hoe was used to hide gunshot wounds and the bodies were arranged to disguise what had actually occurred. A photo taken of Witheridge as she lay dead on the beach that has been obtained by The Sunday Times appears to show shrapnel wounds to her face."

Torture made us admit killing British pair