Koh Tao: Trial opens for 2 accused of killing British tourists

[Rykbanlor]

I mean all the confessions that we know of.

-They confessed to the police investigators.

-They confessed to representatives of the Myanmar Embassy and their lawyers.

-They confessed to the doctor that examined them.

-They confessed to the Human Rights Commissioner.

I'm pretty sure that at least the confession to the HRC had "human rights involved"

Gee Booboo, ya think they might have been scared and intimidated maybe? Jail is not the safest place to be when you're in enemy territory.

Scared and intimidated of the repercussions they would face if they said they didn't do it, not scared or intimidated of the repercussions they would face if they said they had been assaulted/tortured by the people holding them.

And not only they just confess to the murder, they give details of how and why they did it, even if that contradicts what the police were allegedly saying at the time:

Meanwhile, Parinya Sirisarakarn, a member of the National Human Rights Commission (NHRC), yesterday gave new information about forensic evidence and claims made by the two suspects - Maung Saw and Maung Win - whom he had met.

He said they told him they had not used condoms while sexually violating the female victim, contrary to earlier police statements that sperm carrying their DNA was found on the outside of condoms.

Yeah, right.

When they confessed to the lawyer from their embassy, who stated in the press they confessed, there was no police around and the two were not scared to tell them police had abused them in order to get the confession out of them.

See my post #4586 for my reply.

[JohnThailandJohn]

A lawyer contracted by the Burmese embassy to defend two Burmese migrants accused of murdering a British couple on the Thai island of Koh Tao said the men confessed to the crimes on Monday, but told the legal team they had been tortured.

Officials from the Burmese embassy in Bangkok on Monday travelled to the neighbouring island of Koh Samui to meet the two Arakanese migrants who have been remanded in custody pending murder and rape charges. The embassy officials, led by second secretary Htun Aye, were accompanied by Thai and Burmese lawyers, as well as migrant rights activists. The embassy said Zaw Lin and Win Zaw Htun signed over power of attorney to the legal team contracted by the embassy.

Today, [Zaw Lin and Win Zaw Htun] signed power of attorney to the embassys legal team, said lawyer Aung Myo Thant on Monday. We will try to offer them any assistance we can from a legal perspective.


Speaking to DVB on Monday, Kyaw Thaung, a representative of the Myanmar Association in Thailand, who attended the interview with the defendants, said, We went to the prison [on Koh Samui] and were allowed to meet with the two freely. They confessed to committing the crime under the influence of alcohol. When asked for further details, they said they bashed the victims two or three times each with the blunt end of a hoe, but not with the sharp end. They said they did it because they were drunk but did not intend to kill the couple.

Edited July 25, 2015 by JohnThailandJohn

[Rykbanlor]

Officials from the Burmese embassy in Bangkok on Monday travelled to the neighbouring island of Koh Samui to meet the two Arakanese migrants who have been remanded in custody pending murder and rape charges. The embassy officials, led by second secretary Htun Aye, were accompanied by Thai and Burmese lawyers, as well as migrant rights activists. The embassy said Zaw Lin and Win Zaw Htun signed over power of attorney to the legal team contracted by the embassy.

Today, [Zaw Lin and Win Zaw Htun] signed power of attorney to the embassys legal team, said lawyer Aung Myo Thant on Monday. We will try to offer them any assistance we can from a legal perspective.

Speaking to DVB on Monday, Kyaw Thaung, a representative of the Myanmar Association in Thailand, who attended the interview with the defendants, said, We went to the prison [on Koh Samui] and were allowed to meet with the two freely. They confessed to committing the crime under the influence of alcohol. When asked for further details, they said they bashed the victims two or three times each with the blunt end of a hoe, but not with the sharp end. They said they did it because they were drunk but did not intend to kill the couple.

That clears that up then, should be a conviction in no time. But wait, they recanted their confessions, so they must also be hiring the lawyer that got Stevie Wonder his driving licence.

[stephenterry]

...and yet another impediment to the defence - and to anyone hoping for a fair and just trial. Is this yet another example of contempt of court for which no action is taken against the RTP?

The defense lawyers have expressed concern about their inability to access ‘chains of custody’ from the case, which are documents tracking the collection, movement, processing, and current location of all evidence. The lawyers, who have requested the documents but not received them, said they want to confirm that no evidence was tampered with in the process.

[JohnThailandJohn]

...and yet another impediment to the defence - and to anyone hoping for a fair and just trial. Is this yet another example of contempt of court for which no action is taken against the RTP?

The defense lawyers have expressed concern about their inability to access ‘chains of custody’ from the case, which are documents tracking the collection, movement, processing, and current location of all evidence. The lawyers, who have requested the documents but not received them, said they want to confirm that no evidence was tampered with in the process.

Since the trial started seems the defense is still trying to try the case in the public while prosecutors are keeping it in the court.

Also seems a lot of the things they have been saying are turning out to be BS including about the DNA evidence.

Edited July 25, 2015 by JohnThailandJohn

[Heisenbergg]

A lawyer contracted by the Burmese embassy to defend two Burmese migrants accused of murdering a British couple on the Thai island of Koh Tao said the men confessed to the crimes on Monday, but told the legal team they had been tortured.

Officials from the Burmese embassy in Bangkok on Monday travelled to the neighbouring island of Koh Samui to meet the two Arakanese migrants who have been remanded in custody pending murder and rape charges. The embassy officials, led by second secretary Htun Aye, were accompanied by Thai and Burmese lawyers, as well as migrant rights activists. The embassy said Zaw Lin and Win Zaw Htun signed over power of attorney to the legal team contracted by the embassy.

Today, [Zaw Lin and Win Zaw Htun] signed power of attorney to the embassys legal team, said lawyer Aung Myo Thant on Monday. We will try to offer them any assistance we can from a legal perspective.

Speaking to DVB on Monday, Kyaw Thaung, a representative of the Myanmar Association in Thailand, who attended the interview with the defendants, said, We went to the prison [on Koh Samui] and were allowed to meet with the two freely. They confessed to committing the crime under the influence of alcohol. When asked for further details, they said they bashed the victims two or three times each with the blunt end of a hoe, but not with the sharp end. They said they did it because they were drunk but did not intend to kill the couple.

Under what type of threat? Any threat from RTP is a credible one to these guys. Also, their statement given to this embassy official is inaccurate. One victim was not killed with a hoe.

[JohnThailandJohn]

Officials from the Burmese embassy in Bangkok on Monday travelled to the neighbouring island of Koh Samui to meet the two Arakanese migrants who have been remanded in custody pending murder and rape charges. The embassy officials, led by second secretary Htun Aye, were accompanied by Thai and Burmese lawyers, as well as migrant rights activists. The embassy said Zaw Lin and Win Zaw Htun signed over power of attorney to the legal team contracted by the embassy.

Today, [Zaw Lin and Win Zaw Htun] signed power of attorney to the embassys legal team, said lawyer Aung Myo Thant on Monday. We will try to offer them any assistance we can from a legal perspective.

Speaking to DVB on Monday, Kyaw Thaung, a representative of the Myanmar Association in Thailand, who attended the interview with the defendants, said, We went to the prison [on Koh Samui] and were allowed to meet with the two freely. They confessed to committing the crime under the influence of alcohol. When asked for further details, they said they bashed the victims two or three times each with the blunt end of a hoe, but not with the sharp end. They said they did it because they were drunk but did not intend to kill the couple.

That clears that up then, should be a conviction in no time. But wait, they recanted their confessions, so they must also be hiring the lawyer that got Stevie Wonder his driving licence.

Not sure about that but they did get rid of the original lawyer they confessed to and got a new one.

[thailandchilli]

...and yet another impediment to the defence - and to anyone hoping for a fair and just trial. Is this yet another example of contempt of court for which no action is taken against the RTP?

The defense lawyers have expressed concern about their inability to access ‘chains of custody’ from the case, which are documents tracking the collection, movement, processing, and current location of all evidence. The lawyers, who have requested the documents but not received them, said they want to confirm that no evidence was tampered with in the process.

Since the trial started seems the defense is still trying to try the case in the public while prosecutors are keeping it in the court.

Also seems a lot of the things they have been saying are turning out to be BS including about the DNA evidence.

Oh God forbid that the world's public should find out whats going on in the court. Regards the B.S. you refer to then you need to ask the RTP, they are the ones making the statements only for the chief to then correct them.

[Rykbanlor]

...and yet another impediment to the defence - and to anyone hoping for a fair and just trial. Is this yet another example of contempt of court for which no action is taken against the RTP?

The defense lawyers have expressed concern about their inability to access ‘chains of custody’ from the case, which are documents tracking the collection, movement, processing, and current location of all evidence. The lawyers, who have requested the documents but not received them, said they want to confirm that no evidence was tampered with in the process.

Since the trial started seems the defense is still trying to try the case in the public while prosecutors are keeping it in the court.

Also seems a lot of the things they have been saying are turning out to be BS including about the DNA evidence.

Don't be obtuse J. There have been media reports and statements made, which most people would expect from a high profile case such as this. The blunders documented yesterday are newsworthy and a trial such as this should be transparent. Of course the prosecution aren't talking to the media. They won't be heard, its deep in that hole they're digging.

[JohnThailandJohn]

A lawyer contracted by the Burmese embassy to defend two Burmese migrants accused of murdering a British couple on the Thai island of Koh Tao said the men confessed to the crimes on Monday, but told the legal team they had been tortured.

Officials from the Burmese embassy in Bangkok on Monday travelled to the neighbouring island of Koh Samui to meet the two Arakanese migrants who have been remanded in custody pending murder and rape charges. The embassy officials, led by second secretary Htun Aye, were accompanied by Thai and Burmese lawyers, as well as migrant rights activists. The embassy said Zaw Lin and Win Zaw Htun signed over power of attorney to the legal team contracted by the embassy.

Today, [Zaw Lin and Win Zaw Htun] signed power of attorney to the embassys legal team, said lawyer Aung Myo Thant on Monday. We will try to offer them any assistance we can from a legal perspective.

Speaking to DVB on Monday, Kyaw Thaung, a representative of the Myanmar Association in Thailand, who attended the interview with the defendants, said, We went to the prison [on Koh Samui] and were allowed to meet with the two freely. They confessed to committing the crime under the influence of alcohol. When asked for further details, they said they bashed the victims two or three times each with the blunt end of a hoe, but not with the sharp end. They said they did it because they were drunk but did not intend to kill the couple.

Under what type of threat? Any threat from RTP is a credible one to these guys. Also, their statement given to this embassy official is inaccurate. One victim was not killed with a hoe.

Well obviously this is paraphrased since I doubt both held the hoe and hit the victims. Not to mention that they (defendants) are downplaying their actions, which is typical during confession, including saying they were drunk, didn't use the sharp end of the hoe and didn't mean to kill them.

And this is not a confession, this was done after the confession in a meeting held privately with their representatives where the defendants were not at all scared to say they were abused by police while they admitted to their representatives they in fact did commit the killings ... though they claim they didn't mean too.

Edited July 25, 2015 by JohnThailandJohn

[tingtongfarang]

...and yet another impediment to the defence - and to anyone hoping for a fair and just trial. Is this yet another example of contempt of court for which no action is taken against the RTP?

The defense lawyers have expressed concern about their inability to access ‘chains of custody’ from the case, which are documents tracking the collection, movement, processing, and current location of all evidence. The lawyers, who have requested the documents but not received them, said they want to confirm that no evidence was tampered with in the process.

Since the trial started seems the defense is still trying to try the case in the public while prosecutors are keeping it in the court.

Also seems a lot of the things they have been saying are turning out to be BS including about the DNA evidence.

Since the trial started seems the defense is still trying to try the case in the public while prosecutors are keeping it in the KANGAROO court.

Fixed it for you

[crazythedragon]

Thanks RTP for allowing us, the ignorant general public, to see a few seconds of CCTV from that night. No matter about the hundreds of hours from the 100 functioning (of 300 total) CCTV cameras in the immediate region of the crime. All of which your inspectors inspected, we assume. Oh sorry, almost forgot, there is CCTV of inside the bar and of a boat leaving the beach an hour after the crime .....which you, at RTP, deemed so unimportant - as not worth even viewing. AleG, Jdinasia, the Headman, and the PM want to thank you for doing such an exemplary job. Indeed, the PM will probably want to personally give you promotions (with a grin and a pat on the back), as he has with other top brass in this case who have been doing 'a perfect investigation' (his words).

Oh the elusive cctv that wasn't checked. Here's another that we've not been privy too.

The RTP made a statement of stating that there were no signs on Hannah or David being followed into the AC bar. Completely irrelevant. The rumours are it took place inside the AC bar and so that is the cctv that is relevant. Not only inside the bar but what is also missing is the cctv of people leaving the AC bar.

Its been indicated by some that they both left together from the back entrance that leads to the beach. How do we know that, perhaps they left again the way they entered. I'd like to see the whole cctv of that night until every single person has left the bar. The RTP obviously have it and are not showing it. It would identify everyone that was in there and who left that way.

Here's the last known pic of David inside the AC bar that night, as someone else pointed out on another forum, there's no sign of Hannah, but there are some familiar faces in there.

The RTP have admitted that they've not followed up the rumours of the altercation in the AC bar and in my opinion thats either negligence of the highest order or a clear indication of a coverup.

Sorry Thailandchilli Im not sure if the pic you posted claiming to be AC bar will be included in my repost. But the the picture you posted is of Bar Next 2 not AC Bar, so I wouldn't draw any conclusions from it. As far as Im aware AC bar has cameras at the main entrance but not inside or at the back entrance & allegations of a camera at the rear turned out to be a light. It may be the case that cctv footage simply doesn't exist & is not being hidden. As someone who was in AC bar that night but didn't see Dodo there or any altercation I'm not so convinced about the cover up theory. But if anyone can positively ID him being there & having an argument then I will stand corrected

[hugh2121]

I would love to know honestly if this was your daughter or son murdered in these circumstances would you still be happy with the RTP case!

My guess is my statement would be right in line with that of the actual victim's families who have expressed confidence in the evidence and case and believe the right people are on trial and like them would encourage people to let the case play out in court.

Why have to speculate about me when you have the actual families who have released multiple statements.

I'm sure that I would want the real perpetrators to pay.

[kiwikeith]

I mean all the confessions that we know of.

-They confessed to the police investigators.

-They confessed to representatives of the Myanmar Embassy and their lawyers.

-They confessed to the doctor that examined them.

-They confessed to the Human Rights Commissioner.

I'm pretty sure that at least the confession to the HRC had "human rights involved"

Gee Booboo, ya think they might have been scared and intimidated maybe? Jail is not the safest place to be when you're in enemy territory.

Scared and intimidated of the repercussions they would face if they said they didn't do it, not scared or intimidated of the repercussions they would face if they said they had been assaulted/tortured by the people holding them.

And not only they just confess to the murder, they give details of how and why they did it, even if that contradicts what the police were allegedly saying at the time:

Meanwhile, Parinya Sirisarakarn, a member of the National Human Rights Commission (NHRC), yesterday gave new information about forensic evidence and claims made by the two suspects - Maung Saw and Maung Win - whom he had met.

He said they told him they had not used condoms while sexually violating the female victim, contrary to earlier police statements that sperm carrying their DNA was found on the outside of condoms.

Yeah, right.

When they confessed to the lawyer from their embassy, who stated in the press they confessed, there was no police around and the two were not scared to tell them police had abused them in order to get the confession out of them.

What happened to the first Lawyer who was sacked who said he saw the marks on the Boys body's.

What happened to the DNA test of the one in Bangkok?

What happened to the wittness's of the alleged argument in AC Bar.

What happened to the CCTV footage.

Whats wrong with the peeweek British police, they are as weak as the NZ police and police minister in the Chiang Mai poisenings, where the people responsible got away scott free, the NZ Minister Murry Mc Cully (a muppet did nothing).

Maybe when the boys face the gallows they will say thankyou for no more torture in the can, then the victims parents can rest easy!

[mattyc1957]

The DNA evidence is totally irrelevant now. I'm sure there is no chain of evidence procedure in place to maintain its integrity. It could have been corrupted, doctored to give the result they want, or replaced with the local dog's! A pity, because if used correctly maybe there could have been a fair verdict in this case, with the guilty parties brought to justice.

[JohnThailandJohn]

I would love to know honestly if this was your daughter or son murdered in these circumstances would you still be happy with the RTP case!

My guess is my statement would be right in line with that of the actual victim's families who have expressed confidence in the evidence and case and believe the right people are on trial and like them would encourage people to let the case play out in court.

Why have to speculate about me when you have the actual families who have released multiple statements.

I'm sure that I would want the real perpetrators to pay.

I am sure the actual families of the victims want the same thing ... and would be sick for anyone to suggest otherwise.

Edited July 25, 2015 by JohnThailandJohn

[thailandchilli]

Thanks RTP for allowing us, the ignorant general public, to see a few seconds of CCTV from that night. No matter about the hundreds of hours from the 100 functioning (of 300 total) CCTV cameras in the immediate region of the crime. All of which your inspectors inspected, we assume. Oh sorry, almost forgot, there is CCTV of inside the bar and of a boat leaving the beach an hour after the crime .....which you, at RTP, deemed so unimportant - as not worth even viewing. AleG, Jdinasia, the Headman, and the PM want to thank you for doing such an exemplary job. Indeed, the PM will probably want to personally give you promotions (with a grin and a pat on the back), as he has with other top brass in this case who have been doing 'a perfect investigation' (his words).

Oh the elusive cctv that wasn't checked. Here's another that we've not been privy too.

The RTP made a statement of stating that there were no signs on Hannah or David being followed into the AC bar. Completely irrelevant. The rumours are it took place inside the AC bar and so that is the cctv that is relevant. Not only inside the bar but what is also missing is the cctv of people leaving the AC bar.

Its been indicated by some that they both left together from the back entrance that leads to the beach. How do we know that, perhaps they left again the way they entered. I'd like to see the whole cctv of that night until every single person has left the bar. The RTP obviously have it and are not showing it. It would identify everyone that was in there and who left that way.

Here's the last known pic of David inside the AC bar that night, as someone else pointed out on another forum, there's no sign of Hannah, but there are some familiar faces in there.

The RTP have admitted that they've not followed up the rumours of the altercation in the AC bar and in my opinion thats either negligence of the highest order or a clear indication of a coverup.

Sorry Thailandchilli Im not sure if the pic you posted claiming to be AC bar will be included in my repost. But the the picture you posted is of Bar Next 2 not AC Bar, so I wouldn't draw any conclusions from it. As far as Im aware AC bar has cameras at the main entrance but not inside or at the back entrance & allegations of a camera at the rear turned out to be a light. It may be the case that cctv footage simply doesn't exist & is not being hidden. As someone who was in AC bar that night but didn't see Dodo there or any altercation I'm not so convinced about the cover up theory. But if anyone can positively ID him being there & having an argument then I will stand corrected

If thats correct about the photo then thank you for pointing that out. If you were in there then I take it you saw Hannah and David?

[joebrown]

Incidentally, that article was published at right around the time when Somyot was putting himself in charge of the investigation, while the former chief inspector Panya (who was following evidence) was given a promotion and put in a desk job in Bangkok, and told not to say anything publicly about this case. I think Panya will be called as a defense witness. If so, it should be interesting to see what he says on the witness stand, even if he maintains his gag order.

You do realize, since it has been pointed out to you many times, the transfers were announced and published in the news well before the murders took place right? You keep alluding to this as if it was part of some conspiracy and as if the initial investigation was where most of the confusion, false accusations, crime scene handling and all the rest people point to in order to show inept police work occurred.

If I recall the murders took place on the 15th and the transfer was scheduled to happen and did happen on the first. During this two week period police accused many people and found blood on pants that wasn't blood, too many things to list about the crime scene investigation to point to, not checking video of who may have left the isalnd from the pier, announced they had string evidence against probably near a dozen different people including farangs and 6 different Burmese, a plethora of incorrect information released by police, a thai couldn't do it statement and on and on. Point being is that so much that people point to in the police investigation occurred under the first guy you keep wanting to put out there is some sort of person who was taken off the case because he was doing a good job. It was under him that hundreds of DNA samples were gathered, mainly from migrant workers.

No I don't think he is saying the first bunch where much better than the 2nd lot.

More a case of at least they seemed to have an idea of who carried out the murders.

Reference your last sentence being incomplete. It should contain at the end " and also Panya stated he had the evidence to back up his naming of the suspects". I wonder what's happened to this evidence! Oh no, don't tell me it wasn't considered important enough and got shredded!

[JohnThailandJohn]

Thanks RTP for allowing us, the ignorant general public, to see a few seconds of CCTV from that night. No matter about the hundreds of hours from the 100 functioning (of 300 total) CCTV cameras in the immediate region of the crime. All of which your inspectors inspected, we assume. Oh sorry, almost forgot, there is CCTV of inside the bar and of a boat leaving the beach an hour after the crime .....which you, at RTP, deemed so unimportant - as not worth even viewing. AleG, Jdinasia, the Headman, and the PM want to thank you for doing such an exemplary job. Indeed, the PM will probably want to personally give you promotions (with a grin and a pat on the back), as he has with other top brass in this case who have been doing 'a perfect investigation' (his words).

Oh the elusive cctv that wasn't checked. Here's another that we've not been privy too.

The RTP made a statement of stating that there were no signs on Hannah or David being followed into the AC bar. Completely irrelevant. The rumours are it took place inside the AC bar and so that is the cctv that is relevant. Not only inside the bar but what is also missing is the cctv of people leaving the AC bar.

Its been indicated by some that they both left together from the back entrance that leads to the beach. How do we know that, perhaps they left again the way they entered. I'd like to see the whole cctv of that night until every single person has left the bar. The RTP obviously have it and are not showing it. It would identify everyone that was in there and who left that way.

Here's the last known pic of David inside the AC bar that night, as someone else pointed out on another forum, there's no sign of Hannah, but there are some familiar faces in there.

The RTP have admitted that they've not followed up the rumours of the altercation in the AC bar and in my opinion thats either negligence of the highest order or a clear indication of a coverup.

Sorry Thailandchilli Im not sure if the pic you posted claiming to be AC bar will be included in my repost. But the the picture you posted is of Bar Next 2 not AC Bar, so I wouldn't draw any conclusions from it. As far as Im aware AC bar has cameras at the main entrance but not inside or at the back entrance & allegations of a camera at the rear turned out to be a light. It may be the case that cctv footage simply doesn't exist & is not being hidden. As someone who was in AC bar that night but didn't see Dodo there or any altercation I'm not so convinced about the cover up theory. But if anyone can positively ID him being there & having an argument then I will stand corrected

If thats correct about the photo then thank you for pointing that out. If you were in there then I take it you saw Hannah and David?

Could be wrong but guessing he was not there that night.

[Rykbanlor]

Thanks RTP for allowing us, the ignorant general public, to see a few seconds of CCTV from that night. No matter about the hundreds of hours from the 100 functioning (of 300 total) CCTV cameras in the immediate region of the crime. All of which your inspectors inspected, we assume. Oh sorry, almost forgot, there is CCTV of inside the bar and of a boat leaving the beach an hour after the crime .....which you, at RTP, deemed so unimportant - as not worth even viewing. AleG, Jdinasia, the Headman, and the PM want to thank you for doing such an exemplary job. Indeed, the PM will probably want to personally give you promotions (with a grin and a pat on the back), as he has with other top brass in this case who have been doing 'a perfect investigation' (his words).

Oh the elusive cctv that wasn't checked. Here's another that we've not been privy too.

The RTP made a statement of stating that there were no signs on Hannah or David being followed into the AC bar. Completely irrelevant. The rumours are it took place inside the AC bar and so that is the cctv that is relevant. Not only inside the bar but what is also missing is the cctv of people leaving the AC bar.

Its been indicated by some that they both left together from the back entrance that leads to the beach. How do we know that, perhaps they left again the way they entered. I'd like to see the whole cctv of that night until every single person has left the bar. The RTP obviously have it and are not showing it. It would identify everyone that was in there and who left that way.

Here's the last known pic of David inside the AC bar that night, as someone else pointed out on another forum, there's no sign of Hannah, but there are some familiar faces in there.

The RTP have admitted that they've not followed up the rumours of the altercation in the AC bar and in my opinion thats either negligence of the highest order or a clear indication of a coverup.

Sorry Thailandchilli Im not sure if the pic you posted claiming to be AC bar will be included in my repost. But the the picture you posted is of Bar Next 2 not AC Bar, so I wouldn't draw any conclusions from it. As far as Im aware AC bar has cameras at the main entrance but not inside or at the back entrance & allegations of a camera at the rear turned out to be a light. It may be the case that cctv footage simply doesn't exist & is not being hidden. As someone who was in AC bar that night but didn't see Dodo there or any altercation I'm not so convinced about the cover up theory. But if anyone can positively ID him being there & having an argument then I will stand corrected

If thats correct about the photo then thank you for pointing that out. If you were in there then I take it you saw Hannah and David?

Could be wrong but guessing he was not there that night.

If he was there he'd have been more well advised to go to the Police or someone to offer his account, not show up 10 months later in an internet forum to give his witness tetimony to a bunch of random dudes arguing about it.

[stephenterry]

Thanks RTP for allowing us, the ignorant general public, to see a few seconds of CCTV from that night. No matter about the hundreds of hours from the 100 functioning (of 300 total) CCTV cameras in the immediate region of the crime. All of which your inspectors inspected, we assume. Oh sorry, almost forgot, there is CCTV of inside the bar and of a boat leaving the beach an hour after the crime .....which you, at RTP, deemed so unimportant - as not worth even viewing. AleG, Jdinasia, the Headman, and the PM want to thank you for doing such an exemplary job. Indeed, the PM will probably want to personally give you promotions (with a grin and a pat on the back), as he has with other top brass in this case who have been doing 'a perfect investigation' (his words).

Oh the elusive cctv that wasn't checked. Here's another that we've not been privy too.

The RTP made a statement of stating that there were no signs on Hannah or David being followed into the AC bar. Completely irrelevant. The rumours are it took place inside the AC bar and so that is the cctv that is relevant. Not only inside the bar but what is also missing is the cctv of people leaving the AC bar.

Its been indicated by some that they both left together from the back entrance that leads to the beach. How do we know that, perhaps they left again the way they entered. I'd like to see the whole cctv of that night until every single person has left the bar. The RTP obviously have it and are not showing it. It would identify everyone that was in there and who left that way.

Here's the last known pic of David inside the AC bar that night, as someone else pointed out on another forum, there's no sign of Hannah, but there are some familiar faces in there.

The RTP have admitted that they've not followed up the rumours of the altercation in the AC bar and in my opinion thats either negligence of the highest order or a clear indication of a coverup.

Sorry Thailandchilli Im not sure if the pic you posted claiming to be AC bar will be included in my repost. But the the picture you posted is of Bar Next 2 not AC Bar, so I wouldn't draw any conclusions from it. As far as Im aware AC bar has cameras at the main entrance but not inside or at the back entrance & allegations of a camera at the rear turned out to be a light. It may be the case that cctv footage simply doesn't exist & is not being hidden. As someone who was in AC bar that night but didn't see Dodo there or any altercation I'm not so convinced about the cover up theory. But if anyone can positively ID him being there & having an argument then I will stand corrected

If thats correct about the photo then thank you for pointing that out. If you were in there then I take it you saw Hannah and David?

Could be wrong but guessing he was not there that night.

If he was there he'd have been more well advised to go to the Police or someone to offer his account, not show up 10 months later in an internet forum to give his witness tetimony to a bunch of random dudes arguing about it.

But maybe not the RTP, eh, or we wouldn't be seeing this post...

[Heisenbergg]

Thanks RTP for allowing us, the ignorant general public, to see a few seconds of CCTV from that night. No matter about the hundreds of hours from the 100 functioning (of 300 total) CCTV cameras in the immediate region of the crime. All of which your inspectors inspected, we assume. Oh sorry, almost forgot, there is CCTV of inside the bar and of a boat leaving the beach an hour after the crime .....which you, at RTP, deemed so unimportant - as not worth even viewing. AleG, Jdinasia, the Headman, and the PM want to thank you for doing such an exemplary job. Indeed, the PM will probably want to personally give you promotions (with a grin and a pat on the back), as he has with other top brass in this case who have been doing 'a perfect investigation' (his words).

Oh the elusive cctv that wasn't checked. Here's another that we've not been privy too.

The RTP made a statement of stating that there were no signs on Hannah or David being followed into the AC bar. Completely irrelevant. The rumours are it took place inside the AC bar and so that is the cctv that is relevant. Not only inside the bar but what is also missing is the cctv of people leaving the AC bar.

Its been indicated by some that they both left together from the back entrance that leads to the beach. How do we know that, perhaps they left again the way they entered. I'd like to see the whole cctv of that night until every single person has left the bar. The RTP obviously have it and are not showing it. It would identify everyone that was in there and who left that way.

Here's the last known pic of David inside the AC bar that night, as someone else pointed out on another forum, there's no sign of Hannah, but there are some familiar faces in there.

The RTP have admitted that they've not followed up the rumours of the altercation in the AC bar and in my opinion thats either negligence of the highest order or a clear indication of a coverup.

Sorry Thailandchilli Im not sure if the pic you posted claiming to be AC bar will be included in my repost. But the the picture you posted is of Bar Next 2 not AC Bar, so I wouldn't draw any conclusions from it. As far as Im aware AC bar has cameras at the main entrance but not inside or at the back entrance & allegations of a camera at the rear turned out to be a light. It may be the case that cctv footage simply doesn't exist & is not being hidden. As someone who was in AC bar that night but didn't see Dodo there or any altercation I'm not so convinced about the cover up theory. But if anyone can positively ID him being there & having an argument then I will stand corrected

Lol.. Really? You offer an account that you were there, remember how many cameras are there, which bar the photo were debating was at.... Can you name some other people who were present?

[saminoz]

I do hope the Defence have the smoking gun they implied they had. So far it looks like the prosecution is getting the upper hand

Good grief!!!!

What trial are you following?!!!!

What an inane comment to make!

[joebrown]

I always shake my head when I read something like "These Poor Boys!" "Take a look at them!" "They couldn't hurt a flea"!

Now let me point out a "Fact" to you all.

Myanmar, and where these so called "Innocent Boys" come from, has the Highest Murder Rate in all of Asia. All of Asia! The Myanmar Murder Rate is triple what it is in Thailand. Meaning by population for every 1 Murder in Thailand, there are 3 Murders in Myanmar. Thailand's Murder Rate is only slightly higher than the USA. But no small wonder they look at Myanmar Workers first when their is a murder committed nearby.

So could they commit murder? You bet your bottom dollar they could! And there own Government Statistics proves that and they can back that up.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

Might the different statistics be as a result of the Myanmar police being more capable of recognising a murder as such and not as a suicide or accident?

[StealthEnergiser]

Just reading in CSi about David and Hannah's clothes being placed nearly on a rock then when David's body was removed the clothes were scattered all over the place.

Edited July 25, 2015 by StealthEnergiser

[PaPiPuPePo]

Reading through past post I can't but wonder what all this is about and some Victory Parade. I mean before the discovery that the DNA can be retested. So maybe better we start there to get that out of the way.

I have claimed from the start that I hoped that the courts would allow this DNA to be retested. I still feel the same today. I like everyone else was confused with reports saying it was lost, or used up, or eaten by a snake. But now that it can be retested I think that is fine. All I added to this was to be careful for what you ask for as you might get it.

If these test do come back negative, like the first ones, then the gig is up. It is game over. There is no turning back after this point, The accused chances of a successful victory at trial, and even appeal, I would think would be very little. So I will wait and see and see if these tests actually take place. If they are guilty it would be easier to try and poke holes in the Prosecutions DNA Evidence then to have you own which agrees with his.

Someone pointed out that if the defense discovered through DNA that they did do it, they wouldn't have to show this in court. Perhaps at the very beginning if they conducted there own DNA Independent Test he may be right. I am not sure. But since the Defense had to appeal to the court to allow this, and this was granted, then I would think the court would want to see the results regardless. But again I am not sure.

Without a clear chain of custody, which DOESN'T exist in this case, that's been admitted by the authorities, there's no way to determine the veracity of DNA findings.

No report said it was eaten by a snake, putting that in betrays your contempt not only for others' opinions, but for facts about the case that have been revealed by media organisations or the RTP themselves.

You're welcome to naively believe this case was handled to exacting standards but there's so much evidence that it wasn't, so your arguments based on that don't have a leg to stand on.

It's obvious you're of the opinion these two guys are the likely rapists/killers. That's your opinion and of course you're welcome to it. You're in a small minority and from looking at a lot of evidence about this case, combined with the context of shoddy and/or corrupt police work in Thailand stretching back decades (or much longer), I'm quite, like 99% sure, you're dead wrong, pardon the pun. Being sarcastic, misrepresenting what others have written, and/or showing contempt for their opinions hardly helps your cause, in case that's not apparent to you.

[BritTim]

If he was there he'd have been more well advised to go to the Police or someone to offer his account, not show up 10 months later in an internet forum to give his witness tetimony to a bunch of random dudes arguing about it.

How do you know he did not? Of course, you are correct that he may not have been there.

I would be shocked if the police were not given statements by several people in AC Bar that night. We have no idea what they said. What we do know is that the investigating officer claimed there was no investigation into what happened in AC Bar. Since this was the last place David and Hannah were known to be alive, some of us feel it would be normal to find out what happened there, when they left, and whether they left together. I guess in Thailand these facts are considered irrelevant. Here they prefer to focus on the facts that the Burmese kids rode a motorcycle, played the guitar, and smoked cigarettes.

Edited July 25, 2015 by BritTim

[Rykbanlor]

I always shake my head when I read something like "These Poor Boys!" "Take a look at them!" "They couldn't hurt a flea"!

Now let me point out a "Fact" to you all.

Myanmar, and where these so called "Innocent Boys" come from, has the Highest Murder Rate in all of Asia. All of Asia! The Myanmar Murder Rate is triple what it is in Thailand. Meaning by population for every 1 Murder in Thailand, there are 3 Murders in Myanmar. Thailand's Murder Rate is only slightly higher than the USA. But no small wonder they look at Myanmar Workers first when their is a murder committed nearby.

So could they commit murder? You bet your bottom dollar they could! And there own Government Statistics proves that and they can back that up.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

Might the different statistics be as a result of the Myanmar police being more capable of recognising a murder as such and not as a suicide or accident?

All we can tell from this is that GoldBuggy is more than comfortable with racial profiling.

[crazythedragon]

Thanks RTP for allowing us, the ignorant general public, to see a few seconds of CCTV from that night. No matter about the hundreds of hours from the 100 functioning (of 300 total) CCTV cameras in the immediate region of the crime. All of which your inspectors inspected, we assume. Oh sorry, almost forgot, there is CCTV of inside the bar and of a boat leaving the beach an hour after the crime .....which you, at RTP, deemed so unimportant - as not worth even viewing. AleG, Jdinasia, the Headman, and the PM want to thank you for doing such an exemplary job. Indeed, the PM will probably want to personally give you promotions (with a grin and a pat on the back), as he has with other top brass in this case who have been doing 'a perfect investigation' (his words).

Oh the elusive cctv that wasn't checked. Here's another that we've not been privy too.

The RTP made a statement of stating that there were no signs on Hannah or David being followed into the AC bar. Completely irrelevant. The rumours are it took place inside the AC bar and so that is the cctv that is relevant. Not only inside the bar but what is also missing is the cctv of people leaving the AC bar.

Its been indicated by some that they both left together from the back entrance that leads to the beach. How do we know that, perhaps they left again the way they entered. I'd like to see the whole cctv of that night until every single person has left the bar. The RTP obviously have it and are not showing it. It would identify everyone that was in there and who left that way.

Here's the last known pic of David inside the AC bar that night, as someone else pointed out on another forum, there's no sign of Hannah, but there are some familiar faces in there.

The RTP have admitted that they've not followed up the rumours of the altercation in the AC bar and in my opinion thats either negligence of the highest order or a clear indication of a coverup.

Sorry Thailandchilli Im not sure if the pic you posted claiming to be AC bar will be included in my repost. But the the picture you posted is of Bar Next 2 not AC Bar, so I wouldn't draw any conclusions from it. As far as Im aware AC bar has cameras at the main entrance but not inside or at the back entrance & allegations of a camera at the rear turned out to be a light. It may be the case that cctv footage simply doesn't exist & is not being hidden. As someone who was in AC bar that night but didn't see Dodo there or any altercation I'm not so convinced about the cover up theory. But if anyone can positively ID him being there & having an argument then I will stand corrected

If thats correct about the photo then thank you for pointing that out. If you were in there then I take it you saw Hannah and David?

I didn't know Hannah & David so wouldn't have recognized them from any of the other customers at AC bar that night. I know the staff & on the rare occasions Dodo comes down from Bangkok he always comes to say hello, but I didn't see him around the bar A fight would have been more noticeable than individual customers but I don't remember any problems in there. Im not here to speculate what happened. Regardless of the guilt or innocence of the Burmese suspects I don't believe Dodo or the AC staff were involved in this tragedy. I only posted to highlight the incorrect bar picture. If people are going to speculate & theorise, check & double check the "evidence' you're using

[saminoz]

Mon WAS on the island. No only on it, all over it. I think you mean Nomsod was not on the island? We shall see.

Thanks, had the names confused. Bottom line under him they cleared both and the family as well as Sean.

Mon, Nomsod...... does it make any difference when you leap to their defence as per your usual stance?

You shill for one, you shill for all.

ZERO credibility