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Poor Road Intercepts Alleged Robbery Suspect
By Khaosod English


The flipped Volvo that police said was carrying a robbery suspect in Pathum Thani, 16 July 2015.

PATHUM THANI – A poorly-maintained road in Pathum Thani province caused a fugitive robbery suspect to lose control of his car and crash while he was being pursued by police today.

The crash took place on West Klong 10 Road in Nong Suea district, where witnesses said they saw a pick-up truck chasing after a silver Volvo.

A road repair worker who gave his name as Somchai said he was working with his team when he heard a loud noise and turned to see the Volvo spinning off the bumpy road.

According to Somchai, three men with guns then got out of the pick-up truck, surrounded the wrecked Volvo, and took the driver away from the scene. Police officers from Nong Suea Police Station later arrived and told reporters that the armed men were plain-clothed police officers.

Full story: http://www.khaosodenglish.com/detail.php?newsid=1437050968&typecate=06&section=


-- Khaosod English 2015-07-17

[NongKhaiKid]

Ah, all has been revealed.

Poor road maintenance is actually a secret crime prevention measure.

[BSJ]

Ah ha! That's why Hwy 11 from Sak Lek back to Tak Fa is in such a state! The police are using it to apprehend criminals.

[BigBadGeordie]

Ah, all has been revealed.

Poor road maintenance is actually a secret crime prevention measure.

Ah ha! That's why Hwy 11 from Sak Lek back to Tak Fa is in such a state! The police are using it to apprehend criminals.

I feel so much safer at home now, given the condition of all the roads leading to and from my village. Just a bit worried in case the criminals cotton on to the fact that Isuzu pick ups appear to be able to navigate any road surface.

[halloween]

No surprise to me, the "safety" car was always bought by the worst drivers. The scariest thing on the road was a Volvo with 4 lady bowlers in it.

[Manbing]

Is it just me or does something seem odd about this story?

Why did the plainclothes rozzers not identify themselves?

Somchai the road repair guy, a suspicious enough name no surname supplied?

Who was the driver and what did he rob?

Poor journalism or dodgy coppers?

You decide?

[vogie]

Is it just me or does something seem odd about this story?

Why did the plainclothes rozzers not identify themselves?

Somchai the road repair guy, a suspicious enough name no surname supplied?

Who was the driver and what did he rob?

Poor journalism or dodgy coppers?

You decide?

We will, but its still nice to have imput from the Head of the Conspiracy Dept.

[Seastallion]

Is it just me or does something seem odd about this story?

Why did the plainclothes rozzers not identify themselves?

Somchai the road repair guy, a suspicious enough name no surname supplied?

Who was the driver and what did he rob?

Poor journalism or dodgy coppers?

You decide?

It's not just you...but some of your questions aren't what struck me.

A robbery suspect being chased by a pick-up truck full of armed plain clothes cops sounds odd. Did the mufti cops just happen to be at the scene of the robbery? Or did the robbery occur previously and 4 mufti cops were sent to the home of the suspect and he did a runner? If the latter, then why mufti cops and not uniformed officers?

[sammygood]

something to be proud off

why not sue the company that built this crappy road ?

[akampa]

Is it just me or does something seem odd about this story?

Why did the plainclothes rozzers not identify themselves?

Somchai the road repair guy, a suspicious enough name no surname supplied?

Who was the driver and what did he rob?

Poor journalism or dodgy coppers?

You decide?

Both

[Manbing]

Is it just me or does something seem odd about this story?

Why did the plainclothes rozzers not identify themselves?

Somchai the road repair guy, a suspicious enough name no surname supplied?

Who was the driver and what did he rob?

Poor journalism or dodgy coppers?

You decide?

We will, but its still nice to have imput from the Head of the Conspiracy Dept.

Thank you for your acknowledgement, but I prefer it if you to use my full title, Chief Inspector of the Departmente Conspirite.

Did you meet my Deputies Sergent SeaStallion and Police lieutenant Col Akampa? I believe they have submitted reports in this case too;)

Edited July 17, 2015 by Manbing

[Si Thea01]

Is it just me or does something seem odd about this story?

Why did the plainclothes rozzers not identify themselves?

Somchai the road repair guy, a suspicious enough name no surname supplied?

Who was the driver and what did he rob?

Poor journalism or dodgy coppers?

You decide?

The only thing dodgy is the maintenance workers, they failed to put out warning signs to warn approaching motorists of the work being carried out. Now had these poor buggers been aware of the deteriorated conditions they would have adjusted the speed, drove according to the conditions and eluded the BIB. Maybe a case of them suing the maintenance crew for negligence in preventing their escape.

Not necessary to ID, I'd say the crims knew full well they were cops, as they were being chased by them, then once they had guns pointed at them and the cuffs fitted, they were 100% sure. Or are you suggesting that the coppers should have identified themselves to the maintenance crew? May I ask, why the question, dodgy coppers, and what is there to decide? Further, the coppers stipulated that they have not identified anyone, as there are more suspects to be apprehended and they don't want them to know of the arrests in case they flee, or so says the media release.

Why is the maintenance man's name suspicious, is there a problem with not reporting his surname, maybe he did not give it, does it really matter? I can't see anything odd about the story, but then I could be missing something that you have seen and I haven't and as so far as the journalists reporting is concerned, seems okay to me, I fully understood the content.

[Si Thea01]

Is it just me or does something seem odd about this story?

Why did the plainclothes rozzers not identify themselves?

Somchai the road repair guy, a suspicious enough name no surname supplied?

Who was the driver and what did he rob?

Poor journalism or dodgy coppers?

You decide?

It's not just you...but some of your questions aren't what struck me.

A robbery suspect being chased by a pick-up truck full of armed plain clothes cops sounds odd. Did the mufti cops just happen to be at the scene of the robbery? Or did the robbery occur previously and 4 mufti cops were sent to the home of the suspect and he did a runner? If the latter, then why mufti cops and not uniformed officers?

According to the newspaper report the police numbered three, so the pick up wasn't full of armed Police as you state. And why is it odd for plainclothes police to be involved in a chase? Where did you get the fourth copper from? Is there a problem with police being armed? In Australia, in my time as a detective, (plainclothes) we worked two out, were armed and often became involved in pursuits, either because we were out patrolling or acknowledging a radio call or just happened across a crime. And shock, horror, we even drove unmarked police vehicles. You never give the crims a fair chance, for if you do, they will take a mile instead of the proverbial yard. If you can perform your task covertly, capture them without and member of the public being hurt or killed, then that is a good job.

When chasing the unknown, as a copper, you have to assume that any criminal can be armed and dangerous, so should cops go in without protection and try to talk to them, I don't think so, as there are many dead coppers because of these types. I have seen and heard of many of my fellow brothers who have killed in the line of duty, one example was a highway patrol officer in NSW, who was gunned down after stopping a driver for a routine traffic breach. Another, also a highway patrol officer was chasing a stolen car with four offenders, he was shot dead through the front windscreen of his vehicle by these scum after having forced them to stop.

May I now ask why are you referring to them as mufti police. They may be fully fledged detectives for all you know and not required to wear uniforms, albeit they would still retain them and wear them when and if required, as is the case back home. There are times when negotiations are required but this does not apply when in a mobile pursuit of an alleged offender.

with this incident there are four possible scenarios. Firstly, police the world over use plain clothes officers ( mostly detectives) to patrol known hot spots and it might just be they came across the aftermath and gave chase. Second scenario, they have radios, the information of the robbery and vehicle was broadcast, they came across the offenders and pursued them. Thirdly, they were at the scene, saw the incident take place then gave chase as the offenders fled. Or lastly just for your benefit, went to the home of suspect and he did a runner, this however, does not appear to fit what has been described in the newspaper article.

In the scenario you presented you ask why would plainclothes police attend and not uniformed officers. Obviously you have no idea what policing entails and I am not going to explain it to you. Just try using some common sense and maybe, just maybe, you will come to realise the difference between the tasks afforded to uniformed police, which is general duties, and those matters that are given to the specialists, Detectives.

And please stop trying to be special in designating them as mufti police. Those in training are normally referred to, at least back home, as plain clothes constables then once designated they are called detectives, which these arresting police may well be. I know that some police here leave a lot to be desired but just remember there are many good coppers out there doing a fine job, which this trio apparently did but rather than giving credit where credit is due, they are vilified and called dodgy. I really can't understand why despite there being good and bad, many on this forum just want to denigrate and tar all with the same brush.

[Manbing]

Is it just me or does something seem odd about this story?

Why did the plainclothes rozzers not identify themselves?

Somchai the road repair guy, a suspicious enough name no surname supplied?

Who was the driver and what did he rob?

Poor journalism or dodgy coppers?

You decide?

It's not just you...but some of your questions aren't what struck me.

A robbery suspect being chased by a pick-up truck full of armed plain clothes cops sounds odd. Did the mufti cops just happen to be at the scene of the robbery? Or did the robbery occur previously and 4 mufti cops were sent to the home of the suspect and he did a runner? If the latter, then why mufti cops and not uniformed officers?

According to the newspaper report the police numbered three, so the pick up wasn't full of armed Police as you state. And why is it odd for plainclothes police to be involved in a chase? Where did you get the fourth copper from? Is there a problem with police being armed? In Australia, in my time as a detective, (plainclothes) we worked two out, were armed and often became involved in pursuits, either because we were out patrolling or acknowledging a radio call or just happened across a crime. And shock, horror, we even drove unmarked police vehicles. You never give the crims a fair chance, for if you do, they will take a mile instead of the proverbial yard. If you can perform your task covertly, capture them without and member of the public being hurt or killed, then that is a good job.

When chasing the unknown, as a copper, you have to assume that any criminal can be armed and dangerous, so should cops go in without protection and try to talk to them, I don't think so, as there are many dead coppers because of these types. I have seen and heard of many of my fellow brothers who have killed in the line of duty, one example was a highway patrol officer in NSW, who was gunned down after stopping a driver for a routine traffic breach. Another, also a highway patrol officer was chasing a stolen car with four offenders, he was shot dead through the front windscreen of his vehicle by these scum after having forced them to stop.

May I now ask why are you referring to them as mufti police. They may be fully fledged detectives for all you know and not required to wear uniforms, albeit they would still retain them and wear them when and if required, as is the case back home. There are times when negotiations are required but this does not apply when in a mobile pursuit of an alleged offender.

with this incident there are four possible scenarios. Firstly, police the world over use plain clothes officers ( mostly detectives) to patrol known hot spots and it might just be they came across the aftermath and gave chase. Second scenario, they have radios, the information of the robbery and vehicle was broadcast, they came across the offenders and pursued them. Thirdly, they were at the scene, saw the incident take place then gave chase as the offenders fled. Or lastly just for your benefit, went to the home of suspect and he did a runner, this however, does not appear to fit what has been described in the newspaper article.

In the scenario you presented you ask why would plainclothes police attend and not uniformed officers. Obviously you have no idea what policing entails and I am not going to explain it to you. Just try using some common sense and maybe, just maybe, you will come to realise the difference between the tasks afforded to uniformed police, which is general duties, and those matters that are given to the specialists, Detectives.

And please stop trying to be special in designating them as mufti police. Those in training are normally referred to, at least back home, as plain clothes constables then once designated they are called detectives, which these arresting police may well be. I know that some police here leave a lot to be desired but just remember there are many good coppers out there doing a fine job, which this trio apparently did but rather than giving credit where credit is due, they are vilified and called dodgy. I really can't understand why despite there being good and bad, many on this forum just want to denigrate and tar all with the same brush.

In 2008 someone wrote a letter in the Bangkok post (the alleged incident may not have been in the same year)

The letter basically detailed an incident his witnessed from the Patumwan Princess pool balcony at MBK, of a group of plainclothes (maybe) policemen exiting a vehicle next to Chulalongkorn University, charging on 2 guys shooting them dead, bundling their bodies into the back of a pickup truck and a sedan.

The incident was then attended by a motorcycle cop who waved them on and bought water to wash the blood into the gutter. The killings and bodies being removed took less than 2 minutes The letter goes on to state there appeared to be a total news blackout about this killing.

As this is a letter, it isn't proof that it happened but if not, why write inviting other witnesses to contact him?

Representing that the Thai police operate in the same way as other police forces in countries where different checks and balances apply is disingenuous. Bad things go on here and policemen are not infrequently involved. One policeman told me each station (used to) have a target to meet each month in terms of bribe money to collect. Like a small business, pushing its profits.

Please don't come over 'all police are the same everywhere' and 'I was ex job and know better than you'. There are multiple nefarious scenarios that could apply in this situation. The jaded attitude of the world weary cop who knows better than the rest of us just comes over as incredibly naive to many of us who have lived in Thailand for a long time.

[Si Thea01]

Is it just me or does something seem odd about this story?

Why did the plainclothes rozzers not identify themselves?

Somchai the road repair guy, a suspicious enough name no surname supplied?

Who was the driver and what did he rob?

Poor journalism or dodgy coppers?

You decide?

It's not just you...but some of your questions aren't what struck me.

A robbery suspect being chased by a pick-up truck full of armed plain clothes cops sounds odd. Did the mufti cops just happen to be at the scene of the robbery? Or did the robbery occur previously and 4 mufti cops were sent to the home of the suspect and he did a runner? If the latter, then why mufti cops and not uniformed officers?

According to the newspaper report the police numbered three, so the pick up wasn't full of armed Police as you state. And why is it odd for plainclothes police to be involved in a chase? Where did you get the fourth copper from? Is there a problem with police being armed? In Australia, in my time as a detective, (plainclothes) we worked two out, were armed and often became involved in pursuits, either because we were out patrolling or acknowledging a radio call or just happened across a crime. And shock, horror, we even drove unmarked police vehicles. You never give the crims a fair chance, for if you do, they will take a mile instead of the proverbial yard. If you can perform your task covertly, capture them without and member of the public being hurt or killed, then that is a good job.

When chasing the unknown, as a copper, you have to assume that any criminal can be armed and dangerous, so should cops go in without protection and try to talk to them, I don't think so, as there are many dead coppers because of these types. I have seen and heard of many of my fellow brothers who have killed in the line of duty, one example was a highway patrol officer in NSW, who was gunned down after stopping a driver for a routine traffic breach. Another, also a highway patrol officer was chasing a stolen car with four offenders, he was shot dead through the front windscreen of his vehicle by these scum after having forced them to stop.

May I now ask why are you referring to them as mufti police. They may be fully fledged detectives for all you know and not required to wear uniforms, albeit they would still retain them and wear them when and if required, as is the case back home. There are times when negotiations are required but this does not apply when in a mobile pursuit of an alleged offender.

with this incident there are four possible scenarios. Firstly, police the world over use plain clothes officers ( mostly detectives) to patrol known hot spots and it might just be they came across the aftermath and gave chase. Second scenario, they have radios, the information of the robbery and vehicle was broadcast, they came across the offenders and pursued them. Thirdly, they were at the scene, saw the incident take place then gave chase as the offenders fled. Or lastly just for your benefit, went to the home of suspect and he did a runner, this however, does not appear to fit what has been described in the newspaper article.

In the scenario you presented you ask why would plainclothes police attend and not uniformed officers. Obviously you have no idea what policing entails and I am not going to explain it to you. Just try using some common sense and maybe, just maybe, you will come to realise the difference between the tasks afforded to uniformed police, which is general duties, and those matters that are given to the specialists, Detectives.

And please stop trying to be special in designating them as mufti police. Those in training are normally referred to, at least back home, as plain clothes constables then once designated they are called detectives, which these arresting police may well be. I know that some police here leave a lot to be desired but just remember there are many good coppers out there doing a fine job, which this trio apparently did but rather than giving credit where credit is due, they are vilified and called dodgy. I really can't understand why despite there being good and bad, many on this forum just want to denigrate and tar all with the same brush.

In 2008 someone wrote a letter in the Bangkok post (the alleged incident may not have been in the same year)

The letter basically detailed an incident his witnessed from the Patumwan Princess pool balcony at MBK, of a group of plainclothes (maybe) policemen exiting a vehicle next to Chulalongkorn University, charging on 2 guys shooting them dead, bundling their bodies into the back of a pickup truck and a sedan.

The incident was then attended by a motorcycle cop who waved them on and bought water to wash the blood into the gutter. The killings and bodies being removed took less than 2 minutes The letter goes on to state there appeared to be a total news blackout about this killing.

As this is a letter, it isn't proof that it happened but if not, why write inviting other witnesses to contact him?

Representing that the Thai police operate in the same way as other police forces in countries where different checks and balances apply is disingenuous. Bad things go on here and policemen are not infrequently involved. One policeman told me each station (used to) have a target to meet each month in terms of bribe money to collect. Like a small business, pushing its profits.

Please don't come over 'all police are the same everywhere' and 'I was ex job and know better than you'. There are multiple nefarious scenarios that could apply in this situation. The jaded attitude of the world weary cop who knows better than the rest of us just comes over as incredibly naive to many of us who have lived in Thailand for a long time.

You're typical of those who know nothing but think they know all. You present a incident that I know nothing about and by the sounds of it, neither do you. If you want to make a comparison, do it by presenting a similar scenario and using the full facts, instead snippets from an irrelevant matter that someone is alleged to have witnessed 7 years ago or maybe more.

Further, why have you resorted to name calling, it only highlights that you have an emotional argument to make with little or no supporting logical argument? If you want a war with words, sorry but I won't be obliging. You may think of me and call me what you will, I have been called worse but I know what skills and abilities I have and what skills and abilities you lack.

It is evident you have no knowledge of what is required in policing, and how dare a poor old world weary ex-cop tell it like it is, he doesn't know and the worst of all, according to you, has a jaded attitude and comes across as incredibly naïve to many of you who have lived in Thailand for a long time. I feel really sorry for you if that is the way you think, it actually says a lot about one's character. I know I have a greater knowledge of the legalities in law, maybe no so much in Thailand, than you do, and yet you want to profess how experienced you are and than critique me for telling it like it is.

Please list your knowledge of policing skills and outline the multiple scenarios that could apply to the matter being dealt with on this thread, not something else that you may want to introduce. See if you have the fortitude to answer something this time, not like the last occasion when you showed how your lacked the ability to answer what was put to you. Another question, why use nefarious to describe scenarios, are you saying there are many wicked and evil scenarios that are applicable. Poor choice of an adjective. I gave you four scenarios, what are the others you suggest exist?

Edited July 18, 2015 by Si Thea01

[JacChang]

Sometimes I give my name as Somchai too, just makes life easier, people wont notice me.