Koh Tao murders: 2 DNA profiles from alleged murder weapon do not match defendants' DNA

thailandchilli · September 12, 2015

I see the prosecution have broken their media silence, must be some media marketing being carried out by them eh

Andy Hall ‏@Atomicalandy 5m5 minutes ago

อัยการ 8 ไม่กังวลคดีเกาะเต่า ตร. มั่นใจ DNA มัด 2 พม่า (Thai public prosecutor confident in DNA match Koh Tao case) http://www.thairath.co.th/content/524797

Chetzee · September 12, 2015

Who's that then? Looks like it could be number 9.

looks like the Toovichien from maya bar to me .

dundee48 · September 12, 2015

Mistake after mistake,

Blunder after blunder,

Lie after lie,

"I don't know" after "I don't know"

"Didn't think it was important", after "Didn't think it was important."

Chain of custody completely ignored.

Ignorant statement on top of ignorant statement.

Excuse after excuse.

All this, blatantly and obviously "in your face" proof of a total screw up, and yet there are still "shills" (and you know who you are), who cling desperately to the lie that the RTP have a "perfect"case and the B2 are obviously guilty. How do you people sleep at night?

In my opinion there is 1 definite troll,2 shills with vested interests,2 people `having a laugh`with no care for the victims families,and 1 `neutral` who can`t stop himself from `liking` shills posts.

StealthEnergiser · September 12, 2015

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Koh Tao prosecution also didn't present evidence on accused's DNA match to cigarettes, just verbal witness statements and written summary

StealthEnergiser · September 12, 2015

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Thai media report tonight Thai police spokesman/region 8 prosecutor statements they remain confident in proving Koh Tao murder accused guilt

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Statements reported by Thai media... (1) police never claimed murder weapon DNA match as much other case evidence to link accused to murders

StealthEnergiser · September 12, 2015

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Statements as report by Thai media: (2) police still have solid evidence of two accused's sperm/DNA profile found in/on deceased female body

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Thai police Koh Tao statement as reported in Thai media: (3) also police found solid match between accused and DNA on cigarettes near scene

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Worth noting Dr Pornthip testimony yesterday also raised important concern on reliability of sperm/DNA analysis techniques overall

thailandchilli · September 12, 2015

More blatant lies from the RTP that are disrespectful to the families and all concerned. quite disgusting

Andy Hall ‏@Atomicalandy 3m3 minutes ago

Thai spokesman insists in Thai media UK Scotland Yard always confident Thai police investigation @KentBKK @HugoSwire @MarkFarmaner @Reprieve

Edited September 12, 2015 by thailandchilli

Neeranam · September 12, 2015

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Statements as report by Thai media: (2) police still have solid evidence of two accused's sperm/DNA profile found in/on deceased female body

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Thai police Koh Tao statement as reported in Thai media: (3) also police found solid match between accused and DNA on cigarettes near scene

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Worth noting Dr Pornthip testimony yesterday also raised important concern on reliability of sperm/DNA analysis techniques overall

Do you work for twitter?

Give it a rest - just one reporter.

berybert · September 12, 2015

I think one big mistake made by the RTP was to use the wrong people to stitch up. If they had picked a couple of Burmese men who looked thuggish and hard nosed then maybe they could have made a better job of it. To pick a couple of boys who look like everyone's favourite nephew was a big error.

Wrong. The one big mistake made was by the pig who published the pictures of Hannah's broken body. And how anyone who looked at those pictures could then spend the next 10 months trying to deflect from the person who carried out that crime. Those people are as much animals as he who handled the hoe. <deleted> disgraceful.

catsanddogs · September 12, 2015

I think one big mistake made by the RTP was to use the wrong people to stitch up. If they had picked a couple of Burmese men who looked thuggish and hard nosed then maybe they could have made a better job of it. To pick a couple of boys who look like everyone's favourite nephew was a big error.

Wrong. The one big mistake made was by the pig who published the pictures of Hannah's broken body. And how anyone who looked at those pictures could then spend the next 10 months trying to deflect from the person who carried out that crime. Those people are as much animals as he who handled the hoe. <deleted> disgraceful.

BB - I made a choice not to look at the photos that have been circulated on the internet of Hannah and David. But I have total empathy for what you say in your post. If you type Hannah Witheridge into Google, about three choices down it reads 'Hannah Witheridge corpse'. My heart is leaden when I see that option and I try and imagine how that would feel if that were my own daughters name, for the world to see, followed with the option of 'corpse'. At times like that I want to distance myself from all of this, guilty feelings of being voyeuristic overwhelm me and I wonder if I have become obsessed and addicted. And nothing will bring back Hannah and David to their loved ones and finding the true perpetrators of the crime may not give them anymore closure on their grief. But the Burmese men are still alive and if they are innocent they should have the freedom to live and love that Hannah and David had taken from them. Sorry for waffling and straying.

berybert · September 12, 2015

I think one big mistake made by the RTP was to use the wrong people to stitch up. If they had picked a couple of Burmese men who looked thuggish and hard nosed then maybe they could have made a better job of it. To pick a couple of boys who look like everyone's favourite nephew was a big error.

Wrong. The one big mistake made was by the pig who published the pictures of Hannah's broken body. And how anyone who looked at those pictures could then spend the next 10 months trying to deflect from the person who carried out that crime. Those people are as much animals as he who handled the hoe. <deleted> disgraceful.

BB - I made a choice not to look at the photos that have been circulated on the internet of Hannah and David. But I have total empathy for what you say in your post. If you type Hannah Witheridge into Google, about three choices down it reads 'Hannah Witheridge corpse'. My heart is leaden when I see that option and I try and imagine how that would feel if that were my own daughters name, for the world to see, followed with the option of 'corpse'. At times like that I want to distance myself from all of this, guilty feelings of being voyeuristic overwhelm me and I wonder if I have become obsessed and addicted. And nothing will bring back Hannah and David to their loved ones and finding the true perpetrators of the crime may not give them anymore closure on their grief. But the Burmese men are still alive and if they are innocent they should have the freedom to live and love that Hannah and David had taken from them. Sorry for waffling and straying.

I saw the pictures and they are horrendous. The persons who did that to a fellow human being need to be put down.

The people who are trying to protect the persons who did it can rot in hell for all I care.

if you can defend those who did what they did to Hannah then you have no place in the human race.

catsanddogs · September 12, 2015

thanks for much needed guffaw before lights out madaussie

RWA · September 12, 2015

However, if the Norfolk coroner finds that neither DNA sample A nor B belongs to either individuals, that would be a "difference" in findings. So I'm tempted to believe that there were semen samples found in which the DNA does not match either of the two accused

Impossible! The Norfolk coroner has no way to compare DNA samples gathered from the body with the DNA of the accused individuals.

loonodingle · September 12, 2015

However, if the Norfolk coroner finds that neither DNA sample A nor B belongs to either individuals, that would be a "difference" in findings. So I'm tempted to believe that there were semen samples found in which the DNA does not match either of the two accused

Impossible! The Norfolk coroner has no way to compare DNA samples gathered from the body with the DNA of the accused individuals.

The coroner has found David didnt die from drowning I believe amongst other things and Hannahs injuries are not the same as the RTP pathologist report.

So different are the findings that they have been made available ahead of the Inquest.

Watch this space..

Nigeone · September 12, 2015

However, if the Norfolk coroner finds that neither DNA sample A nor B belongs to either individuals, that would be a "difference" in findings. So I'm tempted to believe that there were semen samples found in which the DNA does not match either of the two accused

Impossible! The Norfolk coroner has no way to compare DNA samples gathered from the body with the DNA of the accused individuals.

The coroner has found David didnt die from drowning I believe amongst other things and Hannahs injuries are not the same as the RTP pathologist report.
So different are the findings that they have been made available ahead of the Inquest.

Watch this space..

I have always doubted that he did...just didn't fit in with crime and his injuries etc... Good to have you back !!!

boomerangutang · September 12, 2015

However, if the Norfolk coroner finds that neither DNA sample A nor B belongs to either individuals, that would be a "difference" in findings. So I'm tempted to believe that there were semen samples found in which the DNA does not match either of the two accused

Impossible! The Norfolk coroner has no way to compare DNA samples gathered from the body with the DNA of the accused individuals.

Are you joking or is that a hope or yours? Defense can send DNA typing of defendants to whomever they want (but admittedly, they can't readily send DNA typing from Mon or Nomsod or their tough-guy friends). RTP can try as much as possible to misdirect proceedings, but they aren't all-powerful. Just as Mon tried as hard as possible to snuff out any indication of his nephew taking part in the crime, he missed erasing/burying the Running Man videos. I bet he rues that miscalculation in an otherwise blanket multi-faceted cover-up attempt.

silverado · September 13, 2015

Referring to the "Running Man" video. I am convinced that the person is NS. Just compare his walking action. He throws his right arm forward seemingly to grab air to pull himself forward, at the same time waving his left arm around. I do not think that i have ever seen anyone else with this strange walking action. As for the mans hair style, it appears a little bushy, same as in the doctored video at the uni. But one of the first things his father did on arrival in Bangkok was to get him a nice new non bushy hairstyle. mmmmmmmmm?

at that crucial haircut, NS's barber also trained his sideburns to curl toward his ear rather than toward the front of his face, as is shown in the CCTV from crime night.

The next question is:

If the claims regarding DNA evidence incriminating these suspects are false, then what of the DNA evidence claimed to clear a particular other subject?

Both claims by RTP top brass were just plain false, intentionally so, in order to incriminate the Burmese, and to continue to shield NS. The two basic claims were in relation to the DNA typing found in/on Hannah. One claim said the B2 matched. The other claimed NS's didn't match. All those tests were done quite quickly, particularly for Thai labs which, a month earlier we were told Thailand didn't have labs which could type DNA beyond a basic level of gender and general ethnicity. Also, the lead RTP investigator stated, months later in the courtroom, that RTP no longer had NS's DNA typing. He couldn't say whether NS's DNA was ever typed. He couldn't say if it was compared to the DNA found in/on Hannah. Earlier, chief cop Somyot said publicly that RTP would NOT share DNA typing with any British authorities. Could RTP be any more blatant in their failed cover-up?

silverado · September 13, 2015

I think one big mistake made by the RTP was to use the wrong people to stitch up. If they had picked a couple of Burmese men who looked thuggish and hard nosed then maybe they could have made a better job of it. To pick a couple of boys who look like everyone's favourite nephew was a big error.

Wrong. The one big mistake made was by the pig who published the pictures of Hannah's broken body. And how anyone who looked at those pictures could then spend the next 10 months trying to deflect from the person who carried out that crime. Those people are as much animals as he who handled the hoe. <deleted> disgraceful.

BB - I made a choice not to look at the photos that have been circulated on the internet of Hannah and David. But I have total empathy for what you say in your post. If you type Hannah Witheridge into Google, about three choices down it reads 'Hannah Witheridge corpse'. My heart is leaden when I see that option and I try and imagine how that would feel if that were my own daughters name, for the world to see, followed with the option of 'corpse'. At times like that I want to distance myself from all of this, guilty feelings of being voyeuristic overwhelm me and I wonder if I have become obsessed and addicted. And nothing will bring back Hannah and David to their loved ones and finding the true perpetrators of the crime may not give them anymore closure on their grief. But the Burmese men are still alive and if they are innocent they should have the freedom to live and love that Hannah and David had taken from them. Sorry for waffling and straying.

I saw the pictures and they are horrendous. The persons who did that to a fellow human being need to be put down.

The people who are trying to protect the persons who did it can rot in hell for all I care.

if you can defend those who did what they did to Hannah then you have no place in the human race.

AleG · September 13, 2015

So the defense strategy is to nitpick the procedures of forensic analysis that led to the DNA match, the problem with that is that it's not possible to go "oopsie, false positive!" with a DNA analysis, no mistake is going to produce a DNA match for not just one, but two persons.

The only thing that would give a false match is deliberately faking the results, since A ) they don't seem to have any evidence of that and B ) they refused to do a retest of those results it all amounts to insinuations; let's see how the judge weights those insinuations against the actual results from the analysis

StealthEnergiser · September 13, 2015

So the defense strategy is to nitpick the procedures of forensic analysis that led to the DNA match, the problem with that is that it's not possible to go "oopsie, false positive!" with a DNA analysis, no mistake is going to produce a DNA match for not just one, but two persons.

The only thing that would give a false match is deliberately faking the results, since A ) they don't seem to have any evidence of that and B ) they refused to do a retest of those results it all amounts to insinuations; let's see how the judge weights those insinuations against the actual results from the analysis

Is it possible that corrupt people may have been involved and put the wrong names on the dna from Hannah's Body ?

StealthEnergiser · September 13, 2015

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Statements as report by Thai media: (2) police still have solid evidence of two accused's sperm/DNA profile found in/on deceased female body

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Thai police Koh Tao statement as reported in Thai media: (3) also police found solid match between accused and DNA on cigarettes near scene

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Worth noting Dr Pornthip testimony yesterday also raised important concern on reliability of sperm/DNA analysis techniques overall

Do you work for twitter?

Give it a rest - just one reporter.

As I politely said before you don't have to read the thread other's appreciate getting these type messages, not everyone uses twitter .

fritzzz25 · September 13, 2015

So the defense strategy is to nitpick the procedures of forensic analysis that led to the DNA match, the problem with that is that it's not possible to go "oopsie, false positive!" with a DNA analysis, no mistake is going to produce a DNA match for not just one, but two persons.

The only thing that would give a false match is deliberately faking the results, since A ) they don't seem to have any evidence of that and B ) they refused to do a retest of those results it all amounts to insinuations; let's see how the judge weights those insinuations against the actual results from the analysis

Quite apparent you do not know how criminal trials work. Defence lawyers work to pick apart the pisspoor investigation that was done. That is their job.

After the evidence that is presented thus far, is that if these judges determine a guilty verdict in this case, they are obviously sharing one brain that has less cells than an amoeba. If you can believe that the prosecution evidence has been convincingly overwhelming in successfully PROVING these two men committed this murder, put your money where your mouth is a state it. Please tell the "307,116 subscribers" of this forum what your interest is in having these two convicted. What will YOU gain from this.....

StealthEnergiser · September 13, 2015

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@JQP6 @KrisKoles saying there's a match in writing and police testifying to a match in court without supporting documents seems unacceptable

fireplay · September 13, 2015

Stealth could you pm me some other sites to read about this case? My searchs come up in vain...one off blog posts without near the in depth analysis or forum conversations like we have here. Thank you.

Darkknight666 · September 13, 2015

So the defense strategy is to nitpick the procedures of forensic analysis that led to the DNA match, the problem with that is that it's not possible to go "oopsie, false positive!" with a DNA analysis, no mistake is going to produce a DNA match for not just one, but two persons.

The only thing that would give a false match is deliberately faking the results, since A ) they don't seem to have any evidence of that and B ) they refused to do a retest of those results it all amounts to insinuations; let's see how the judge weights those insinuations against the actual results from the analysis

Is it possible that corrupt people may have been involved and put the wrong names on the dna from Hannah's Body ?

These posters are saying incredibly stupid things to bait the people on the forum who all just want the killers caught. I fell into Balo's bait yesterday and now realize there's no genuine interest in finding the killers from them, Only misdirection and baiting. Try and skip their posts.

The B2 face death if convicted, 20-30 years if they confess.... Why they would risk their lives if they knew their DNA would be found and undeniable? They wouldn't.. They would confess under no intimidation. In fact in sure their attorneys adviser them in this exact point initially. aleg keeps banging on about the DNA "Match" and here we are midway into the DEFENSE and still they haven't substantiated the DNA... My guess, they're hoping the judges will just accept their report of the "match" and that'll be the end of it. They may have to switch gears after the next session. Also, interesting time for police spokesman to be giving reports to the media! Jokers.

Edited September 13, 2015 by Darkknight666

StealthEnergiser · September 13, 2015

Stealth could you pm me some other sites to read about this case? My searchs come up in vain...one off blog posts without near the in depth analysis or forum conversations like we have here. Thank you.

I have been unable to send messages to you i think there is something wrong it says unable to receive but to add to that you will find almost every link on andy halls twitter @Atomicalandy

Edited September 13, 2015 by StealthEnergiser

AGareth2 · September 13, 2015

the skirt and blouse. has this been answered

RWA · September 13, 2015

However, if the Norfolk coroner finds that neither DNA sample A nor B belongs to either individuals, that would be a "difference" in findings. So I'm tempted to believe that there were semen samples found in which the DNA does not match either of the two accused

Impossible! The Norfolk coroner has no way to compare DNA samples gathered from the body with the DNA of the accused individuals.

Are you joking or is that a hope or yours? Defense can send DNA typing of defendants to whomever they want (but admittedly, they can't readily send DNA typing from Mon or Nomsod or their tough-guy friends). RTP can try as much as possible to misdirect proceedings, but they aren't all-powerful. Just as Mon tried as hard as possible to snuff out any indication of his nephew taking part in the crime, he missed erasing/burying the Running Man videos. I bet he rues that miscalculation in an otherwise blanket multi-faceted cover-up attempt.

ehhh Boomerangutang, of course it's NOT my JOKE nor a HOPE! Don't be silly.

1.) The Norfolk coroner would not ask Thai Defense Team to send them DNA typing of the defendants (especially before the official inquest)

2.) Thai Defense Team didn't have - officially, the defendants DNA (relaible) available until just recently

3.) See the Loonodingle post of Today, 05:31. THAT is pretty much what is it about!

For the rest of your post, I must but wholeheartedly AGREE with you!

I'm ouf of Likes for today, so thank you instead.

sweatalot · September 13, 2015

Mistake after mistake,

Blunder after blunder,

Lie after lie,

"I don't know" after "I don't know"

"Didn't think it was important", after "Didn't think it was important."

Chain of custody completely ignored.

Ignorant statement on top of ignorant statement.

Excuse after excuse.

All this, blatantly and obviously "in your face" proof of a total screw up, and yet there are still "shills" (and you know who you are), who cling desperately to the lie that the RTP have a "perfect"case and the B2 are obviously guilty. How do you people sleep at night?

In my opinion there is 1 definite troll,2 shills with vested interests,2 people `having a laugh`with no care for the victims families,and 1 `neutral` who can`t stop himself from `liking` shills posts.

did you forget to put him on ignore?

Darkknight666 · September 13, 2015

Fireplay, your inbox must be full or something, PM me an email and I'll send over all you need

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