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Looks like China was right and the rest of the world was wrong ...

Uighur were not peaceful refugees, but terrorists

All of them were/are terrorists?

Muslums will be muslums.

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I wonder if this chap knows what day it is he doesn't seem to know much about anything he certainly isn't earning the 3 million he gave himself and his merry men he wants to make sure of his facts before he opens his mouth because he keeps putting his foot in it.

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Police: Bangkok Bombing was Revenge for Uighurs

By Khaosod English

BANGKOK — Thai police have ruled that the bomb attack that killed 20 people in Bangkok last month was an act of revenge against the military government’s deportation of Muslim Uighurs to China.

Coming after weeks of studiously avoiding mention of a Uighur link, police chief Somyot Pumpanmuang said today the perpetrators had two motives for staging the 17 Aug. attack: the recent crackdown on human smuggling networks and the deportation of 109 Uighur refugees in July.

“It was because Thai authorities destroyed the illegal businesses of transnational human trafficking network. They were obstructed, so they were angry,” Police Gen. Somyot said today. “The other issue was the Thai authorities’ decision to send 109 Uighurs back to China.”

Until today, officials had reportedly been under orders not to mention Uighurs by name. On Saturday, police pulled a just-issued photograph identifying their 12th suspect as a “Uighur” and again asked the media not to use the word.

It’s not the first time the Chinese Uighur issue has become politically problematic for Thailand.

In March 2014, more than 200 Uighurs were discovered in the south of Thailand. They were en route to Turkey, fleeing alleged persecution in China. They were deported to the People’s Republic at the request of Chinese authorities, who insisted the refugees were their citizens - and were on their way to train in terror camps. Many of the women and children were deported to Turkey, but 109 others were forced to return to China.

Human rights organizations condemned the deportation, arguing they would face mistreatment once back in China, but Thailand’s military government, which came to power in the May 2014 coup d’etat, said it was merely complying with international laws.

Images in Chinese media of the Uighurs loaded onto an airplane for the trip home with hoods over their heads further incensed those sympathetic to their cause.

Human rights are concerned over the use of hoods over their heads. If they were infidels in a muslim country they may not have heads. Where are the human rights people when the muslims cut off the heads of small children.

Speculation over possible links between the Erawan Shrine bombing and the Uighur deportation arose almost immediately after the attack, but Thai officials have been keen to play down the issue, suggesting instead that the incident was revenge for steps taken by authorities against the rampant illegal immigration businesses.

Five suspects including one man under arrest have been identified as Turkish nationals. Another suspect in custody and one at large are Chinese nationals from Xinjiang province, the Uighur homeland.

Source: http://www.khaosodenglish.com/detail.php?newsid=1442302214

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-- Khaosod English 2015-09-15

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I still don't buy it. Suddenly, all this expertise becomes available to acquire bomb making material, plan and execute with a carefully constructed network of supporters in a foreign country ....... and then keep quiet about it with no public claim for the reasons? And because a few Uighurs were deported it was a revenge attack? Why not claim responsibility if that was the objective instead of playing a guessing game? Hardly accomplishes anything. This is much deeper and more extensive, me believes......

If these people were on their way to the middle east to join ISIL, they probably had lots of expertise - just no need to use it here.

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Try looking in the direction of the army itself, perhaps it was meant to implicate a certain persons and group of people but backfired when the police went off in the wrong direction inspired by the reward. If you look at the footage of the boom being placed, it’s clear that there are three people involved, the guy that vacated the seat for the bomber and the guy he stood next to in an effort to shield the bomber from view, they look fit as butchers dogs and full of confidence, they give me the impression they have no fear of repercussions. Do you believe the army and the people at the top really want democracy? The bomb was not an ordinary homemade device, it was ether c4, semtex or something comparable to cause such devastation.

I still don't buy it. Suddenly, all this expertise becomes available to acquire bomb making material, plan and execute with a carefully constructed network of supporters in a foreign country ....... and then keep quiet about it with no public claim for the reasons? And because a few Uighurs were deported it was a revenge attack? Why not claim responsibility if that was the objective instead of playing a guessing game? Hardly accomplishes anything. This is much deeper and more extensive, me believes......

That's one theory but I think my theory is more plausible. Remember also that this present undemocratic government replaced another government that was equally undemocratic. Indeed Thaksin's regimes were dictatorships. He didn't start using the word 'democracy' until suggested to him as part of a longer term strategy by Robert Amsterdam and his other PR manipulators. Off course it worked a) because it gave the reds an issue and purpose which was previously sadly lacking and cool.png it diverted attention away from Thaksin's real politics which is based on unilateral dictatorship and later the same but labelled 'democracy'. There is no rule of law in Thailand and without the rule of law there is no democracy.

The internet provides all the information needed to make bombs. The Muslims have all the raw materials to make bombs.

Democracy is the right to vote every 4 or 5 years nothing more and nothing less.

Until Islam stops protecting terrorists the killings throughout the world will continue.

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I've seen this "no Muslim immigrant policy in Japan" repeated a few times in this forum. Where does this come from?

Japan has a very strict immigration policy in general but Muslims aren't specifically excluded.

People have some very strange views of the world here.

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Try looking in the direction of the army itself, perhaps it was meant to implicate a certain persons and group of people but backfired when the police went off in the wrong direction inspired by the reward. If you look at the footage of the boom being placed, it’s clear that there are three people involved, the guy that vacated the seat for the bomber and the guy he stood next to in an effort to shield the bomber from view, they look fit as butchers dogs and full of confidence, they give me the impression they have no fear of repercussions. Do you believe the army and the people at the top really want democracy? The bomb was not an ordinary homemade device, it was ether c4, semtex or something comparable to cause such devastation.

I still don't buy it. Suddenly, all this expertise becomes available to acquire bomb making material, plan and execute with a carefully constructed network of supporters in a foreign country ....... and then keep quiet about it with no public claim for the reasons? And because a few Uighurs were deported it was a revenge attack? Why not claim responsibility if that was the objective instead of playing a guessing game? Hardly accomplishes anything. This is much deeper and more extensive, me believes......

That's one theory but I think my theory is more plausible. Remember also that this present undemocratic government replaced another government that was equally undemocratic. Indeed Thaksin's regimes were dictatorships. He didn't start using the word 'democracy' until suggested to him as part of a longer term strategy by Robert Amsterdam and his other PR manipulators. Off course it worked a) because it gave the reds an issue and purpose which was previously sadly lacking and cool.png it diverted attention away from Thaksin's real politics which is based on unilateral dictatorship and later the same but labelled 'democracy'. There is no rule of law in Thailand and without the rule of law there is no democracy.

The internet provides all the information needed to make bombs. The Muslims have all the raw materials to make bombs.

Democracy is the right to vote every 4 or 5 years nothing more and nothing less.

Until Islam stops protecting terrorists the killings throughout the world will continue.

eople

""Democracy is the right to vote every 4 or 5 years nothing more and nothing less."" Excuse me, where did you learn this? Voting is but part of a democratic process but it is categorically not democracy in itself. Think of the dictatorships that had voting - 99% of the vote to people like Idi Amin, Saddam Hussein etc? Democracy?? No way! Do you want me to go into an explanation of democracy?

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Police: Bangkok Bombing was Revenge for Uighurs

By Khaosod English

BANGKOK — Thai police have ruled that the bomb attack that killed 20 people in Bangkok last month was an act of revenge against the military government’s deportation of Muslim Uighurs to China.

Coming after weeks of studiously avoiding mention of a Uighur link, police chief Somyot Pumpanmuang said today the perpetrators had two motives for staging the 17 Aug. attack: the recent crackdown on human smuggling networks and the deportation of 109 Uighur refugees in July.

“It was because Thai authorities destroyed the illegal businesses of transnational human trafficking network. They were obstructed, so they were angry,” Police Gen. Somyot said today. “The other issue was the Thai authorities’ decision to send 109 Uighurs back to China.”

Until today, officials had reportedly been under orders not to mention Uighurs by name. On Saturday, police pulled a just-issued photograph identifying their 12th suspect as a “Uighur” and again asked the media not to use the word.

It’s not the first time the Chinese Uighur issue has become politically problematic for Thailand.

In March 2014, more than 200 Uighurs were discovered in the south of Thailand. They were en route to Turkey, fleeing alleged persecution in China. They were deported to the People’s Republic at the request of Chinese authorities, who insisted the refugees were their citizens - and were on their way to train in terror camps. Many of the women and children were deported to Turkey, but 109 others were forced to return to China.

Human rights organizations condemned the deportation, arguing they would face mistreatment once back in China, but Thailand’s military government, which came to power in the May 2014 coup d’etat, said it was merely complying with international laws.

Images in Chinese media of the Uighurs loaded onto an airplane for the trip home with hoods over their heads further incensed those sympathetic to their cause.

Speculation over possible links between the Erawan Shrine bombing and the Uighur deportation arose almost immediately after the attack, but Thai officials have been keen to play down the issue, suggesting instead that the incident was revenge for steps taken by authorities against the rampant illegal immigration businesses.

Five suspects including one man under arrest have been identified as Turkish nationals. Another suspect in custody and one at large are Chinese nationals from Xinjiang province, the Uighur homeland.

Source: http://www.khaosodenglish.com/detail.php?newsid=1442302214

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-- Khaosod English 2015-09-15

That sort of blows to so called money trail to the bombers out of the water a bit as this was in existence long before the refugees got deported back to China.

As for the reasons : “It was because Thai authorities destroyed the illegal businesses of transnational human trafficking network. They were obstructed, so they were angry,”

In the follow up investigation to the bombings, a half-way house was discovered containing 5 rented units and supposed hundreds of forged passports that were previously unknown to the authorities, so claims that the 'transnational human trafficking network' was destroyed still needs a bit of work for that to be plausible.

IMO of course

Posted

If the Uighurs/Turks were involved, it was due to anger over Thailand's forced repatriation of Uighurs to China under very inhumane conditions. (Not saying Thailand deserved such extreme retaliation, of course.) This bozo is now trying to spin it so it seems Thailand was cracking down on smuggling networks? No. The Uighurs who were repatriated had asked for formal asylum. They had outed themselves. They were indeed smuggled into Thailand, but the officials either did not know or were paid to not care.

ISIL smuggled over 50,000 Uighurs through Thailand into Istanbul and Syria before Thailand expatriated the 109 to China. It was a minor blip for ISIL, but it did cost them money and the time invested in moving them through Cambodia on their way to Thailand. I wonder how much ISIL contributed to Somyot's casino fund to keep their name out of this? If the international community discovers that ISIL is involved, it brings a whole lot of focus on their international recruitment campaign. I'm not going to even acknowledge the ridiculous conspiracy theories above. Absolutely absurd.

I don't think ISIS has even 50,000 men in total, fighting in Syria. Stop giving them credit like that. Russians will soon be directly involved in the fight. I don't see ISIS even existing within a few years' time. They are fighting a losing battle.

50,000 Uighurs in Syria ? Yeah, right ! Dream on.

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No shyt Sherlock. A blind man could of seen this. wink.png

Could "have" seen this

Could have

Would have

Should have

or

Could've

Would've

Should've

are also acceptable....................Sherlock.

Posted

Try looking in the direction of the army itself, perhaps it was meant to implicate a certain persons and group of people but backfired when the police went off in the wrong direction inspired by the reward. If you look at the footage of the boom being placed, it’s clear that there are three people involved, the guy that vacated the seat for the bomber and the guy he stood next to in an effort to shield the bomber from view, they look fit as butchers dogs and full of confidence, they give me the impression they have no fear of repercussions. Do you believe the army and the people at the top really want democracy? The bomb was not an ordinary homemade device, it was ether c4, semtex or something comparable to cause such devastation.

I still don't buy it. Suddenly, all this expertise becomes available to acquire bomb making material, plan and execute with a carefully constructed network of supporters in a foreign country ....... and then keep quiet about it with no public claim for the reasons? And because a few Uighurs were deported it was a revenge attack? Why not claim responsibility if that was the objective instead of playing a guessing game? Hardly accomplishes anything. This is much deeper and more extensive, me believes......

I am going to go with Occam's razor

The Uighurs men and Isis were upset about being deported back to China deigning them the ability

to join Isis. Isis has the bomb making expertise, organizational capabilities and money, the target

hit predominately Chinese tourists in a Thai tourist area. The Uighurs/Isis wanted to hit Thais/Thai economy

and China. This was done most effectively. That is the way I see it. Not too deep or complex. whistling.gif

Posted

I personally cannot buy in to the "revenge" theory. First of all, it's not an ad hoc retaliation to the deportations. It has taken quite a lot of organizational and logistical work. The perpetrators have gone to great lengths and an extraordinary amount of time, trouble and potential exposure to the authorities . . .

then silence? It doesn't add up. And if the intention was to use the bombings to make the authorities back off over their crackdown on trafficking, clearly

they could not and would not ever have had this effect!

No, there is something deeper, more meaningful and of more consequence behind these events; we have just not fathomed the "why" yet.

I am afraid I cannot subscribe to ianf"s hypotheses regarding the USA, Nato, Thaksin and, perhaps even Santa Claus. And calling Thailand, under Thaksin,

a "strong ally with its face to the West and its back to China" does not sound like compelling justification, IMHO.

Posted

No shyt Sherlock. A blind man could of seen this. wink.png

Lots of junta-loving wishful thinkers on here couldn't. They were wishfully thinking that it was the Redshirts. Any fool with a small knowledge of current affairs could have worked out who was really responsible.

Posted

I still don't buy it. Suddenly, all this expertise becomes available to acquire bomb making material, plan and execute with a carefully constructed network of supporters in a foreign country ....... and then keep quiet about it with no public claim for the reasons? And because a few Uighurs were deported it was a revenge attack? Why not claim responsibility if that was the objective instead of playing a guessing game? Hardly accomplishes anything. This is much deeper and more extensive, me believes......

Well go on, tell us your theory. You obviously have inside info that the authorities don't.

Posted

Looks like China was right and the rest of the world was wrong ...

Uighur were not peaceful refugees, but terrorists

All of them were/are terrorists?

Maybe not, but I bet the ones that aren't won't condemn the ones that are.

Posted

Try looking in the direction of the army itself, perhaps it was meant to implicate a certain persons and group of people but backfired when the police went off in the wrong direction inspired by the reward. If you look at the footage of the boom being placed, it’s clear that there are three people involved, the guy that vacated the seat for the bomber and the guy he stood next to in an effort to shield the bomber from view, they look fit as butchers dogs and full of confidence, they give me the impression they have no fear of repercussions. Do you believe the army and the people at the top really want democracy? The bomb was not an ordinary homemade device, it was ether c4, semtex or something comparable to cause such devastation.

I still don't buy it. Suddenly, all this expertise becomes available to acquire bomb making material, plan and execute with a carefully constructed network of supporters in a foreign country ....... and then keep quiet about it with no public claim for the reasons? And because a few Uighurs were deported it was a revenge attack? Why not claim responsibility if that was the objective instead of playing a guessing game? Hardly accomplishes anything. This is much deeper and more extensive, me believes......

Conspiracy nutters are having a field day with this one.

Posted

I still don't buy it. Suddenly, all this expertise becomes available to acquire bomb making material, plan and execute with a carefully constructed network of supporters in a foreign country ....... and then keep quiet about it with no public claim for the reasons? And because a few Uighurs were deported it was a revenge attack? Why not claim responsibility if that was the objective instead of playing a guessing game? Hardly accomplishes anything. This is much deeper and more extensive, me believes......

I have been faced with some derision for my theories about this. You are quite right not to buy into this lie. The masterminds behind this are quite adept at leaving a false trail in order to confuse the issue. Even the Thai Government, it seems, are falling for this lie. Why would the Uryghurs do this and not seek to make political capital from it? It makes no sense. This bombing can be traced right back to the US & NATO. Indeed, in February two pipe bombs were found just down the road near the shopping malls and the police were quick to link these to the bombings and explosions that occurred between 2010 and 2014. Further, the bomb used at the shrine appeared to be of similar construction. Yes, there is a link to Uryghurs who have several organisational structure funded by the US. So there is a link there which is why it is quite easy for people to take the next step and talk about 'revenge'. However, that is mere piffle. To make the next leap you have to look at what America is doing in the Middle East and the Havoc it has caused, you have to look at it's instigation of the Arab Spring and you have to look at it's continuing support of Thaksin. Therein lies the link. With Thaksin in power NATO can be assured of a strong ally with it's face towards the West and it's back to China. One of the policies of this current regime is to turn the other way and drift away from the US and NATO and look increasingly towards China. The bombing must be seen in this context. Anything else is a diversion created by international interests (that include Amsterdam and Adelman - both Thaksin cohorts).

"Say goodnight to the folks Gracie".

Posted

Seems to me the government is still trying to claim it is for the deportation and the breakup of the human trafficking business. I don't think it is for both reasons. I can understand one or the other but not it being both. Seems like there would be two different elements here which would not necessarily be cooperating with each other. As someone said seems pointless to do the bombing and not claim responsibility for a reason. I would think by now the police/army would have had the chance to beat the answer out of those detained.

Posted

"...But he said that it wasn’t sure whether the three suspects could be extradited into Thailand for interrogation...."

The Police Chief is unfamiliar with his country's laws? Huh, really?

I feel so sorry for any Thai that says ANYTHING besides "no comment", and even that's made into a foolish comment.

Posted

Thai immigration were part of the smuggling ring allowing foreigners to enter the country illegally for bribes and maybe also those involved in the bombing. Their only punishment it to be posted to an inactive post. Their actions allowed the murder of many innocent people.

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I still don't buy it. Suddenly, all this expertise becomes available to acquire bomb making material, plan and execute with a carefully constructed network of supporters in a foreign country ....... and then keep quiet about it with no public claim for the reasons? And because a few Uighurs were deported it was a revenge attack? Why not claim responsibility if that was the objective instead of playing a guessing game? Hardly accomplishes anything. This is much deeper and more extensive, me believes......

I have been faced with some derision for my theories about this. You are quite right not to buy into this lie. The masterminds behind this are quite adept at leaving a false trail in order to confuse the issue. Even the Thai Government, it seems, are falling for this lie. Why would the Uryghurs do this and not seek to make political capital from it? It makes no sense. This bombing can be traced right back to the US & NATO. Indeed, in February two pipe bombs were found just down the road near the shopping malls and the police were quick to link these to the bombings and explosions that occurred between 2010 and 2014. Further, the bomb used at the shrine appeared to be of similar construction. Yes, there is a link to Uryghurs who have several organisational structure funded by the US. So there is a link there which is why it is quite easy for people to take the next step and talk about 'revenge'. However, that is mere piffle. To make the next leap you have to look at what America is doing in the Middle East and the Havoc it has caused, you have to look at it's instigation of the Arab Spring and you have to look at it's continuing support of Thaksin. Therein lies the link. With Thaksin in power NATO can be assured of a strong ally with it's face towards the West and it's back to China. One of the policies of this current regime is to turn the other way and drift away from the US and NATO and look increasingly towards China. The bombing must be seen in this context. Anything else is a diversion created by international interests (that include Amsterdam and Adelman - both Thaksin cohorts).

You hate Thaksin so much you are willing to jump through hoops to blame it on him. Your theory is however completely flawed. Thaksin is backed by the working people. The junta is backed by the elite. U.S does not have a history of backing people's movements who are pitted against the rich. For obvious reasons.

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Posted

Looks like China was right and the rest of the world was wrong ...

Uighur were not peaceful refugees, but terrorists

either that or the police have found a convenient reason so they can declare their investigation over and relax

Posted

ERAWAN SHRINE BLAST
Attack 'linked to Uighur deportations'

JESSADA JANTARAK,
SUPACHAI PHETTEWEE
THE NATION

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PM dismisses police claim, blames human traffickers for blasts

BANGKOK: -- THE BANGKOK bombing was the handiwork of an international human-trafficking network seeking retaliation against Thailand for the return of 109 Uighur to China and a crushing crackdown on their underground activities, police said yesterday.


"They got angry. They are from the same gang that attacked the Thai Consulate in Turkey," national police chief General Somyot Poompanmuang said.

This is the first time that the Thai authorities have directly linked the bomb attack with the deportation of trafficked Uighur.

However Prime Minister Prayut Chan-o-cha rushed to dismiss the police statement saying nobody had claimed responsibility for the bomb. "At this stage, there is no link. I don't think so. It could be a normal crime and by ordinary human traffickers," he said.

A team of senior Thai police was heading for Malaysia after reports that three suspects arrested by Malaysian police may have been linked with the Bangkok bombing.

Last month, two explosions rocked the Thai capital. The one on August 17 at the popular Erawan Shrine killed 20 people and wounded more than 100 others. At least five Chinese tourists were killed and many others hospitalised. The other blast on the following day at the Sathorn Pier caused no casualties.

The bombings in the heart of Bangkok shocked the entire nation, as no such attacks had ever taken place on Thai soil. They also hit the economy hard.

'Deportations in line with law'

Somyot said that the deportation of the 109 Uighur to China was in line with international law, and that Thai authorities had repatriated illegal migrants to their home countries, not just China.

Thai authorities have issued arrest warrants for 12 suspects and are holding two of them at a temporary facility in a military base. Colonel Winthai Suvari, spokesman for the National Council for Peace and Order (NCPO), defended the choice of the detention location, saying their case was related to national security.

"It is also convenient for investigators who still need to interrogate the suspects and bring witnesses to identify them," he said.

Deputy National Police chief General Chakthip Chaijinda left for Malaysia along with Special Branch Police chief Lt-General Chaiwat Getvorachai and deputy chief Maj-General Chanthep Sesavej. The team is expected to follow up on reports that the three suspected human smugglers arrested in Malaysia might have had some links to the Bangkok blasts. "Thailand and Malaysia will exchange information," Somyot said.

Chakthip refused to speak to the media before his departure, other than saying that he "will return on Thursday". Somyot said Thai authorities were still investigating the whereabouts of Abu Dustar Abdulrahman, or Izan, and the yellow-shirt man - two key suspects wanted for the bomb blasts.

A foreign news agency said a senior official of the Turkish government had recently denied that Izan had entered Turkey after the blasts. "We are investigating the matter," he said.

Ties with gang

A Metropolitan Police source said one of the three women arrested at an apartment on Sunday had personal ties with a gang that helped the bomb suspects sneak into Thailand.

"We are preparing to seek an arrest warrant for her," the source said.

This 39-year-old woman had taken the suspected bomber to the apartment rented by two university students and asked for their permission to leave some of his things there. The two students knew nothing about the bomb plot and have been released, the source added.

Police expect the military to transfer the woman to them on Saturday.

Source: http://www.nationmultimedia.com/national/Attack-linked-to-Uighur-deportations-30268893.html

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-- The Nation 2015-09-16

Posted

I still don't buy it. Suddenly, all this expertise becomes available to acquire bomb making material, plan and execute with a carefully constructed network of supporters in a foreign country ....... and then keep quiet about it with no public claim for the reasons? And because a few Uighurs were deported it was a revenge attack? Why not claim responsibility if that was the objective instead of playing a guessing game? Hardly accomplishes anything. This is much deeper and more extensive, me believes......

I have been faced with some derision for my theories about this. You are quite right not to buy into this lie. The masterminds behind this are quite adept at leaving a false trail in order to confuse the issue. Even the Thai Government, it seems, are falling for this lie. Why would the Uryghurs do this and not seek to make political capital from it? It makes no sense. This bombing can be traced right back to the US & NATO. Indeed, in February two pipe bombs were found just down the road near the shopping malls and the police were quick to link these to the bombings and explosions that occurred between 2010 and 2014. Further, the bomb used at the shrine appeared to be of similar construction. Yes, there is a link to Uryghurs who have several organisational structure funded by the US. So there is a link there which is why it is quite easy for people to take the next step and talk about 'revenge'. However, that is mere piffle. To make the next leap you have to look at what America is doing in the Middle East and the Havoc it has caused, you have to look at it's instigation of the Arab Spring and you have to look at it's continuing support of Thaksin. Therein lies the link. With Thaksin in power NATO can be assured of a strong ally with it's face towards the West and it's back to China. One of the policies of this current regime is to turn the other way and drift away from the US and NATO and look increasingly towards China. The bombing must be seen in this context. Anything else is a diversion created by international interests (that include Amsterdam and Adelman - both Thaksin cohorts).

Really???

Posted

A little off topic but I have to comment on the fact that the PM clearly cannot control the mouths of his senior people, he has over ruled the statement by General Somyot Poompanmuang also in this article it states the attack damaged the economy a claim denied by many departments including tourist authorities.

If the PM is unable to control the dribble from these people is he truly able to run the country (we already know the answer to that) and he needs to gag these loud mouths as it is these people causing confusion and ridicule of Thai officialdom.

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