I've looked many times in many stores for Condensed and Evaporated Milk, but only seem to be able to find the pathetic combination of sugar syrup and palm fat that is passed off as these products.

Instead of continuing to look in vain, I've found recipes online for both. What I need is a good double-boiler pan, preferably stainless. Has anyone seen a stainless double-boiler for sale in CM. It would be cheaper to make my own anyway, and boy, do I miss using evaporated milk in my morning coffee, and I haven't made a pumpkin pie since 2007

If no one has seen double-boilers, I think I'll just have family send me one from the States.

I tried to make the easy no bake key lime tarts (as i have done many times in the US) using carnation sweetened condensed milk here in CM, it did not work. The filling did not set up and harden as it is sposed to do. The local product is crap as said in the OP. .... I have seen locals using double boilers that were improvised by putting a smaller pot inside a larger pot.

None of these are usable?

http://shoponline.tescolotus.com/en-GB/Search/List?searchQuery=evaporated+milk&Search=Search

As said just use two pots together - the only items I have seen sold are for steaming rather than double boiling.

Just channel your inner “crafty cook” and make this do-it-yourself double boiler with items you already have on hand. Step 1: Simmer a few inches of water in a saucepan. Step 2: Stack a metal or glass bowl on top of a saucepan, making sure the bowl fits snugly.Jun 11, 2013

None of these are usable?

http://shoponline.tescolotus.com/en-GB/Search/List?searchQuery=evaporated+milk&Search=Search

Excellent reply. I see these in all the big grocery stores.

Double boiler

http://www.zebra-head.com/NENG/Product/ProductDetail.asp?categoryid=0000000009&subcategoryid=0000000028&groupID=0000000184

None of these are usable?

http://shoponline.tescolotus.com/en-GB/Search/List?searchQuery=evaporated+milk&Search=Search

What good is something online? These are not of Tesco shelves.

None of these are usable?

http://shoponline.tescolotus.com/en-GB/Search/List?searchQuery=evaporated+milk&Search=Search

Thanks for that. Carnation evaporated milk would be fine as a coffee creamer; I would not like to use the product thickened with palm oil.

I wonder if Rimping might have Carnation milk?

Rimping has; I have seen most, if not all, the canned milks shown in the on-line site in Rimping.

None of these are usable?

http://shoponline.tescolotus.com/en-GB/Search/List?searchQuery=evaporated+milk&Search=Search

What good is something online? These are not of Tesco shelves.

Actually they are items on Tesco shelves here in Thailand - I order from them almost weekly for home delivery - but perhaps more stock here in Bangkok..

Sorry but not sure. I believe it was in Robertson at the airport mall where I saw double boiler.

Rimping has; I have seen most, if not all, the canned milks shown in the on-line site in Rimping.

If they are U.S. import carnation products then it would work, the local carnation products are not the same quality and don't react the same in recepies.

Everything I have seen is a Thai product.

I tried to make the easy no bake key lime tarts (as i have done many times in the US) using carnation sweetened condensed milk here in CM, it did not work. The filling did not set up and harden as it is sposed to do. The local product is crap as said in the OP. .... I have seen locals using double boilers that were improvised by putting a smaller pot inside a larger pot.

As Masuk said, Carnation is evaporated not condensed, I think it's the English one they sell here and it's not interchangeable. Pretty much for pouring over fruit and coffee only.

I've used Tesco own brand sweetened condensed several times and apart from being a little sweeter (I think) it acts the same way as Nestle does and that's what I used to use back home. I think I've seen Nestle in Rimping but it would be 3 -4 times the cost of the Tesco brand.

I have checked the ingredients of all the condensed "milk" brands that I ever saw in Thailand.

None of them were milk, not even Carnation.

They all contain palm oil.

None of these are usable?

http://shoponline.tescolotus.com/en-GB/Search/List?searchQuery=evaporated+milk&Search=Search

As far as I can tell, none of these are milk.

At the very best, milk is a major ingredient.

Y not just use high fat cream and add a bit of sugar to the hot coffee? Like whipping cream. Not against u using Nestle's: i'm an equity shareholder.

OP wants it for baking though.

Do people bake with butter? Yes. Put butter, sugar, skim milk solids and water in a pan and heat till butter melted. Then into the blender. Mix with cake flour, spices, leavening and NESTLE''S CHOCOLATE bits and bake. Could we eat that in a twinkling? Why cry for what we left in UK, make do with T'land.

Rimping has; I have seen most, if not all, the canned milks shown in the on-line site in Rimping.

If they are U.S. import carnation products then it would work, the local carnation products are not the same quality and don't react the same in recepies.

Read the label and you'll find that the milk isn't really milk. Maybe 8% milk and then sugars an various palm fat. It ain't the real deal.

product : nestle carnation milk product for cooking and bakery.

packing size : 405 grams x 48 cans per 1 carton.

product origin : thailand and made in thailand.

shelf life : 12 months.

ingredients :

skimmed milk powder = 12.4 %

palm olein = 5.6%

soya lecithin = 0.1%

availability : ships in 2-3 business days.

certificate : haral

product type: condensed milk packaging: can (tinned) certification: halal shelf life: 12 months place of origin: thailand brand name: carnation

Rimping has; I have seen most, if not all, the canned milks shown in the on-line site in Rimping.

none of them are real milk. they are all garbage with palm oil and sugar syrup concoctions.

product : nestle carnation milk product for cooking and bakery.

packing size : 405 grams x 48 cans per 1 carton.

product origin : thailand and made in thailand.

shelf life : 12 months.

ingredients :

skimmed milk powder = 12.4 %

palm olein = 5.6%

soya lecithin = 0.1%

availability : ships in 2-3 business days.

certificate : haral

product type: condensed milk packaging: can (tinned) certification: halal shelf life: 12 months place of origin: thailand brand name: carnation

>>>> 5,6% palm oil, 0% butterfat <<<<

....which proves my point: this is not milk!

It is not sold as whole milk - it is a milk based product - but the main ingredient, by far, is powdered milk without the fat.

My breakfast cereal milk is also 0% fat content but I still call it milk (and actually prefer to whole milk).

Looked at some 'ice cream' labels in Tops last night. Few are now called 'ice cream' but rather frozen confection or some such. The labels did list the sugar and palm oil as principal ingredients but maybe some skimmed milk powder. Cost for most about 75 baht per 450 gram tub.

Then i looked at product from USA, at least claimed. Ice cream with cream as first ingredient but also a bit of palm oil. Cost here 160 bath, same size.

You get what you pay for. However, the loss of tropical forests to establish palm oil plantations is highly negative, IMO. Is raising dairy cows better?

A free donation. Give the recipe a try, you may like the cake.

Rimping has; I have seen most, if not all, the canned milks shown in the on-line site in Rimping.

If they are U.S. import carnation products then it would work, the local carnation products are not the same quality and don't react the same in recepies.

I've been to all the stores mentioned and have pulled all the 'milk products' off the shelves, and translated the ones that had no English, and I have yet to find any of these 'products' to be much other than some form of palm fat extract, sugar, and a percentage of milk 'product'. Evaporated milk in the US was, well, evaporated milk. Big difference.

product : nestle carnation milk product for cooking and bakery.

packing size : 405 grams x 48 cans per 1 carton.

product origin : thailand and made in thailand.

shelf life : 12 months.

ingredients :

skimmed milk powder = 12.4 %

palm olein = 5.6%

soya lecithin = 0.1%

availability : ships in 2-3 business days.

certificate : haral

product type: condensed milk packaging: can (tinned) certification: halal shelf life: 12 months place of origin: thailand brand name: carnation

That's like looking for cheddar cheese and finding 'cheddar cheese product'. Anytime something is labeled with the word "product", it ain't the real deal. But when you do find the real deal, boy, they sock you with some major tariffs and customs duties.

Back to the original post.

I have a set of stainless pans, and by golly, the small one fits in the big one: Voila! Double boiler.

Made my first batch of evaporated milk last week. Trial batch using Chokchai Farms whole milk. Placed it in a double boiler, brought to water to boil, placed second pan with milk in it, and set to simmer. Skimmed the 'skin' off the top every 1/2 hour. Took about 2 hours to get to around 1/2 the original volume. My recipe from the Internet said to take it down to 1/3 volume, but I liked the taste better at 1/2. Let it cool, bottled it, and put in the refrigerator. Took a taste after it cooled and -- tastes just like evaporated milk from the US. Presto! Bob's your uncle. No more fake milk. Yipee!

Thanks for the info. Not that it's actually germane to the issue at hand, but Chokchai milk does not come from Chokchai Farm. Sometime in the 90's (or maybe the 80's?) Chokchai sold the rights to its name to another company which does its damnedest to keep its name secret or at least obscure.