Ban Ki Moon urges Hungary to respect refugee rights

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Ban urges Hungary to respect refugee rights
By The Associated Press

UNITED NATIONS (AP) — Latest developments at the United Nations summit on the adoption of an ambitious blueprint to eradicate extreme poverty and other global goals. (All times local).

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5:35 p.m.

U.N Secretary General Ban Ki-moon is urging Hungary to respect the human rights of migrants while saying he understands the difficulties linked to the recent daily influx of tens of thousands of people.

A U.N. statement says Ban expressed his concerns in a meeting Saturday with Hungarian President Janos Ader. They met on the sidelines of a U.N. summit on new global development goals.

The statement says Ban "understood the challenges faced by Hungary" but stressed "the importance of respecting dignity and human rights."

Hungary has been accused by other European Union countries of badly mismanaging the influx of mainly Syrian refugees coming from Serbia on their way to western Europe. The fence it built along its border with Serbia has come under particular criticism, along with the use of water cannon and tear gas against those trying to cross into the country.

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5:05 p.m.

The United States and human rights organizations are sharply criticizing China's repression and imprisonment of women's rights activists in advance of a high-level U.N. meeting Sunday co-chaired by China's President Xi Jinping.

The session will promote women's equality.

China hosted the last major U.N. women's conference in Beijing in 1995 and Xi has been proclaiming the importance of women's human rights, but Amnesty International's Roseann Rife said this is "hypocritical" when his government continues to jail women fighting for these rights.

U.S. Ambassador Samantha Power has put the photos of 20 jailed women's activists who she said should be at Sunday's meeting in the window of the U.S. Mission across the street from U.N. headquarters. Three of the group are from China.

U.N. Women, the group co-chairing Sunday's meeting to commemorate the 20th anniversary of the Beijing conference, said more than 70 world leaders are expected to make "concrete commitments and firm pledges" to overcome gaps in gender equality.

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4:50 p.m.

Chinese President Xi Jinping is offering further details on China's assistance for the developing world, saying it will provide assistance on 600 major overseas projects over the next five years.

Xi also said China would provide 270,000 scholarships for students from the developing world to come to China for higher education or vocational education, while offering training for 500,000 more students in their home countries. China has long offered such scholarships as a means of winning friends — and diplomatic support — in the developing world.

Speaking at a forum on "South-South cooperation" on the margins of U.N. development summit, Xi said projects would be funded in agriculture, poverty reduction, trade, environmental protection, health care and education.

He said "cooperation and unity with the developing world remains the unshakeable foundation of China's foreign relations"

Despite having the world's second largest economy, China portrays itself as the leading developing nation.

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3:55 p.m.

France's foreign minister says this week's U.N. general assembly is "the home stretch" for upcoming climate change negotiations in Paris at the end of the year.

Laurent Fabius told reporters on the sidelines of a U.N. meeting on development goals that 2015 "must be a turning point" in global efforts to fight global warming. Paris is hosting a summit Nov. 30-Dec. 11 aimed at world leaders signing on to binding targets to keep increases below 2 degrees Celsius.

Fabius said 80 countries so far have submitted national plans, and more were expected to do so in coming days.

A summit in Copenhagen in 2009 was a failure, Fabius said, because leaders were involved too late. Fabius said this time French summit organizers are engaged in "enormous upstream work" to avoid a similar failure.

Fabius said French President Francois Hollande on Sunday will invite leaders meeting at the U.N. to speak on the first day of the Paris conference and announce new financial contributions France is prepared for the fight against climate change.

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3:20 p.m.

Facebook founder Mark Zuckerberg believes the site will help the international community implement a sweeping new sustainable development agenda.

Zuckerberg said Facebook is partnering with the U.N. agency for refugees to bring the Internet to refugee camps. "Connectivity will help refugees better access support from the aid community and maintain their links to families," he said.

Addressing the U.N. Private Sector Forum, he said wide Internet access "needs to be at the heart of the global development strategy" to address new challenges and needs of the new generation.

In the long term, Zuckerberg said, Facebook will help U.N. agencies develop tools to track progress toward implementing the development goals.

"Data can help us make smarter decisions but only if you can interpret it quickly and with confidence, so we want to help the U.N. make decisions that will advance our goals."

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2:45 p.m.

Countries have seized on a record gathering of world leaders to debate how to choose the next leader of the United Nations — and whether that person should be a woman. Momentum has been growing for the first female U.N. chief after eight men have served.

Britain's U.N. deputy ambassador Peter Wilson on Saturday repeated his government's belief that it's time for a woman, but he pushed back against a proposal that the secretary-general serve a single, longer term. By tradition the U.N. chief serves up to two five-year terms.

"A single term can also mean you're a lame duck," Wilson said.

The U.N. Security Council's five permanent members essentially choose the U.N. chief behind closed doors. Other member states want more of a say.

Russia argues that it's Eastern Europe's turn to provide a secretary-general, but former Norwegian prime minister Gro Harlem Brundtland, the deputy chair of a group of global leaders called The Elders, said that "we cannot afford to limit our search to one single region of the world."

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145 p.m.

Jordan is making an impassioned plea for the world's countries to take in more Syrian refugees as the tiny country is overwhelmed by those fleeing the conflict.

In his address to a global summit at the United Nations, Minister Imad Najib Fakhoury says Jordan's efforts are akin to the United States having to absorb 64 million more people, or the European Union 100 million, or Japan 25 million, or China 280 million.

And the examples continued. Jordan's delegation said its Syrian refugee burden is similar to Brazil taking in another 40 million people, or South Africa another 11 million or so.

Jordan hosts about 630,000 Syrian refugees, approximately 10 percent of its population.

The minister said the burden has been "devastating" to Jordan's development efforts.

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1:20 p.m.

The leaders of India, Brazil, Germany and Japan are expressing concern about the failure to reform the Security Council and calling again for permanent seats on the U.N.'s most powerful body.

The four regional leaders said in a joint statement Saturday that "a more representative, legitimate and effective" council is needed more than ever to address spiraling global crises and conflicts.

Since 1979, the U.N. has been discussing an expansion of the 15-member council to reflect the changing world in the 21st century. The current system is a reflection of the global power structure after World War II when the United Nations was founded.

Every proposed change has been rejected, primarily because of rivalries between countries and regions and concerns over self-interest above a better functioning U.N.

The four leaders pledged to work with all U.N. member states to accelerate "early and meaningful" council reform and "concrete outcomes" during the General Assembly session which ends in September 2016.

India's Prime Minister Narendra Modi, Brazil's President Dilma Rousseff, German Chancellor Angela Merkel and Japan's Prime Minister Shinzo Abe met on the sidelines of a U.N. summit that adopted new development goals for the next 15 years.

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12:50 p.m.

Lebanon's prime minister tells the United Nations that the Syrian refugee crisis is costing his tiny country one-third of its gross domestic product and strangling development.

Tammam Salam says the Syrian civil war and fleeing refugees "is one of the greatest development challenges" facing Lebanon. The Mediterranean country has become home to more than 1.2 million Syrian refugees — about a third of Lebanon's native population.

Salam spoke at the U.N. summit gathering after adoption of sweeping new global development goals.

Lebanon "is bearing the brunt of the mass displacement" of Syrians, Salam said in a stark report on the impact of the Syrian crisis on Lebanon's health care, education, sanitation and security resources.

More than 4 million Syrians have fled to Jordan, Lebanon, Turkey, Iraq and Egypt since the conflict in their homeland erupted in 2011.

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11:50 a.m.

The U.N. humanitarian chief says appeals for help have grown by more than 600 percent in the past decade and have now reached nearly $20 billion.

Stephen O'Brien told a side event on humanitarian financing at the U.N. summit that adopted new development goals for the next 15 years that humanitarian aid was originally supposed to be temporary — "a first aid box."

But he said aid in many cases has been delivered for years without addressing the underlying causes.

"We're here today to talk about a system which is not broken — but it is broke," O'Brien said, adding the current system must change if new development agenda to is to be achieved.

He said most humanitarian aid this year will go to just five protracted emergencies — Syria, Iraq, South Sudan, Central African Republic and Congo.

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11:30 am.

The U.N. secretary-general has urged Iran's president to help pursue political solutions to the grinding conflicts in Syria and Yemen.

A statement from Ban Ki-moon's spokesman Saturday says Ban encouraged President Hassan Rouhani to "contribute to a political settlement of the crises in the region, particularly with regard to Syria and Yemen."

The two leaders met shortly before Rouhani addressed a summit of world leaders that have gathered to launch ambitious development goals.

The Iran nuclear deal has raised expectations that Tehran might engage more on other crucial issues. Iran is a top ally of Syria's government, and it supports Shiite Houthi rebels who have held parts of Yemen for months.

Rouhani in his speech said Iran is "eager to cooperate with our neighbors" on development issues.

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11:05 a.m.

10:30

Chinese President Xi Jinping is pledging billions in development aid to the world's poorest nations and says China will forgive the debts due this year of those worst-off.

Speaking at the U.N. summit on new development goals, Xi said China will commit an initial $2 billion to establish an assistance fund to meet post-2015 goals in areas such as education, health care and economic development. He said China would seek to increase the fund to $12 billion by 2030.

Xi said China would write-off intergovernmental interest-free loans owed to China by the least-developed, small island nations and most heavily debt-burdened countries due this year.

He said China "will continue to increase investment in the least developed countries," and support global institutions, including the Beijing-backed Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank that is due to launch by the end of the year.

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10:45 a.m.

Cuban President Raul Castro says the re-establishment of diplomatic relations between his country and the United States constitutes "major progress," but the U.S. economic blockade against Cuba is the "main obstacle" to his country's development.

Castro's speech to a gathering of world leaders at the U.N. General Assembly on Saturday was his first appearance before the world body. He spoke to a summit that adopted a sweeping agenda for global development includes the goal of eliminating poverty in 15 years.

The General Assembly will vote as early as next month to demand the American embargo's end. But this time, U.S. officials have told The Associated Press that the United States could abstain instead of voting against the resolution.

Castro says the embargo "is rejected by 188 U.N. member states."

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9:55 a.m.

President Hassan Rouhani of Iran is expressing regret over the "heart-rending" trampling to death of hundreds of Muslim pilgrims near a Saudi Arabia holy site this week and calling for a swift investigation into it and similar incidents.

The crush killed more than 700 people and was the worst hajj disaster in a quarter-century.

Rouhani addressed the U.N. General Assembly during a development summit Saturday and in advance of his address on Monday to world leaders, including President Barack Obama.

Rouhani also linked violence against man and violence against nature, saying that "terrorists, in fact, tend to grow and thrive in lands deprived and damaged by environmental disasters and easily pour across borders like haze."

He said the recent Iran nuclear deal has created "suitable conditions for regional and international cooperation."

-- (c) Associated Press 2015-09-27

[arfurcrown]

Well Mr.Ban Ki Moon, what are the xenophobic Koreans of which you are one doing about the ''refugee'' problem, how many ''refugee's''are being offered places in a country that prides itself on its racial purity?

Put your own house in order prior to lecturing the rest of the world from your Ivory Tower that comes with the highly paid (useless ornamental) sinecure you have.

Edited September 27, 2015 by arfurcrown

[ABCer]

I wonder why the OP frivolously substitutes "migrants" for "refugees". Unless they do not know the difference?

I wonder how the Politically Correct EU Leaders can accuse Hungary along the lines: "Hungary has been accused by other European Union countries of badly mismanaging the influx of mainly Syrian refugees coming from Serbia on their way to western Europe. The fence it built along its border with Serbia has come under particular criticism, along with the use of water cannon and tear gas against those trying to cross into the country."

Would they rather have Hungarians to use bullets? Or would they be happier to see their kind of problems with migrants in Hungary?

The World Pecking Order seems to go from USA => West Europe => East Europe... with China, Russia, Iran 'bucking the system'.

Incidently, despite World Media frantic efforts to show miserable suffering women and children only - many independent sources show big, strong, angry young men trying to break the above fences and gates demanding their 'rights'.

IMHO these are the very same men who given small arms could or rather should have defended their human rights against evil destructive forces.

Just referring to the sore point of "no boots on the ground" of this funny war.

Edited September 27, 2015 by ABCer

[ourmanflint]

So mr ban ki moon is asking Hungary to respect refugee rights while at the same time asking Europe to ignore its own laws on refugee status and the Dublin II Treaty. What a clown!

[Scott]

Off-topic post removed.

[Mudcrab]

I wonder why the OP frivolously substitutes "migrants" for "refugees". Unless they do not know the difference?

I wonder how the Politically Correct EU Leaders can accuse Hungary along the lines: "Hungary has been accused by other European Union countries of badly mismanaging the influx of mainly Syrian refugees coming from Serbia on their way to western Europe. The fence it built along its border with Serbia has come under particular criticism, along with the use of water cannon and tear gas against those trying to cross into the country."

Would they rather have Hungarians to use bullets? Or would they be happier to see their kind of problems with migrants in Hungary?

The World Pecking Order seems to go from USA => West Europe => East Europe... with China, Russia, Iran 'bucking the system'.

Incidently, despite World Media frantic efforts to show miserable suffering women and children only - many independent sources show big, strong, angry young men trying to break the above fences and gates demanding their 'rights'.

IMHO these are the very same men who given small arms could or rather should have defended their human rights against evil destructive forces.

Just referring to the sore point of "no boots on the ground" of this funny war.

MHO these are the very same men who given small arms could or rather should have defended their human rights against evil destructive forces.

Give them time and they will be doing exactly this....except the evil forces will be the Europeans who have allowed them to enter their countries.

[z42]

Well non european citizens (no passports) bulldozing their way through multiple friendly / safe countries, kicking down or circumnavigating border fences as they go are certainly not refugees. They are economic migrants once they cross that 2nd border. This monster europe is creating is getting too big to control.

The faceless bureaucrats giving them carte blanche to break laws and blaze a trail through Europe are stupid to expect countries' governments and citizens to ignore the blatant abuse of the laws and understand the situation better. This whole episode will not end well for Europe. Hope am wrong, but I can't see anything but anarchy prevailing down the line

[kennw]

So why is the UN cutting the money that supports the refugees in countries adjacent to Syria ? One of the reasons they are running to Europe.

[Sam Jones]

That Korean joker should keep his piehole shut ...

[mettech]

Sorry to say but refugees have no rights and can not force their way into a country like it was theres so return to your contry and rebuild like it always been after the war.

[Friendly Stranger]

Ban Ki - has Saudi Arabia taken in their share yet?

And I'm sure Hungary is doing the best they can considering the circumstances.

The UN, enough said.

[billd766]

What about the rights of the Hungarian people themselves who are suffering from an invasion of "refugees and migrants"?

The UN and the EU don't seem to be interested in that at all.

[Baerboxer]

And has he urged the migrants to respect law, order and register as instructed by appropriate authorities?

A clown who tries to placate the PC lobby and has been the worst, least influential leader the UN has ever had.

Now the British idiot suggests replacing him with a woman - not the best candidate but a woman. Sex discrimination. Why not insist the replacement is a lesbian Moslem who eats only vegetarian food, cooked in a wok, and preferable is registered disabled, black and from an ehtnic minority of a third world country?

Edited September 28, 2015 by Baerboxer

[steven100]

What about Saudi and Oman Mr Ban Kee moon. ?

Good on Hungary for standing up ........... country shopping is illegal Mr Ban Kee moon.

[ABCer]

Ban Ki Moon is urging peoples, countries and governments to respect refugees rights.

Apart from the problem of at least the last wave are not beeing refugees but illegal migrants,

There is a very serious problem of erosion of fundamental rights of citizens of host countries.

Namely - the property ownership rights. Property laws are the basis of Western civilization from the Roman times.

Nowadays the governments of France, Germany and Sweden started expropriations of properties to accommodate invading hoards.

Anybody knows about this more? This respect of refugees rights like anything else does come at a price.

[RockyBeerbelly]

The nationalist right wing idiocy is remarkable at this moment. There is no empathy what-so-ever for humans who have a different religion and skin color and the stupidity of the unfounded opinions is absolutely laughable.

The fact if that this so-called Tsunami of refugees (YES refugees, not economic migrants, because for the dimwits amongst you, there is bloody war going on where a murderous regime is killing its own people, and religious fanatics are beheading infidels and making young girls sex slaves) are in total 0.06% of the total EU population!

That posters here are supporting Hungary is their good right, the question is if they know that they are supporting the policies of the Jobbik party. The Jobbik party is a full blown Neo Nazi party which is anti-semetic, anti Islam, anti Asian, anti EU, anti gay, etc.

Why does any foreigner living in Thailand (which most of the TV members are I assume) want to be associated with Nazi's is beyond me. To be honest, I have difficulty understanding why anyone want to be associated with Nazi ideology, but apparently there are, hence the blind support for the Hungarian decision to build walls around its country and disregard any international agreement and general human decency.....

Edited September 28, 2015 by RockyBeerbelly

[arfurcrown]

Well as a matter of interest RockyBeerbelly how many ''refugee's'' will you be helping or in fact you are you currently helping?

[RockyBeerbelly]

Well as a matter of interest RockyBeerbelly how many ''refugee's'' will you be helping or in fact you are you currently helping?

Not really a relevant question because in my home country the govt is supporting refugee from the ME decently and adequately. Fortunately there the fascist right wing nationalist are held at bay.

With my company we are looking at employing Syrian refugees to help us out with our ME customers. We are actually also looking at the possibility of getting some Syrians working for me here in Thailand, but because of their refugee status this makes it rather difficult.

Personally I have (financially) supported Myanmar refugees for many years. I think is our civil duty to help other humans in need where possible. I know that in a selfish world I am rather alone in this.....

Edited September 28, 2015 by RockyBeerbelly

[Steely Dan]

I wonder what Ban Ki Moon has to say about the rights of Swedish and German nationals facing eviction from their own homes in order to fill them with economic migrants. Or for that matter the rights of local women threatened with danger of assault or rape due to the arrival of men from cultures where women are viewed as inferior. P.s the migrants are 72% males from what I read.

http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2015/09/09/the-syrian-refugee-wave-hits-europe-invasion-immigration-or-both/

Edited September 28, 2015 by Steely Dan

[arfurcrown]

Nice reply RockyBeerbelly.

I hear what you say, however we come from a culture where we expect to work and also help those less fortunate which it seems we both do in our own ways

The current European situation though is no more than an economic and underground religious invasion.

The greater majority of these''refugee's'' are heading towards the most benevolent welfare state nothing more nothing less.

Young fit healthy men in the majority who do not have the testicles to stay and protect their families and their country.

In ten years time the results on Europe will be catastrophic culture wise, religious and, gender discrimination, economically and socially divisive results.

[steven100]

'The fact if that this so-called Tsunami of refugees (YES refugees, not economic migrants, because for the dimwits amongst you, there is bloody war going on where a murderous regime is killing its own people'

Well RockyBeerbelly, you are incorrect, most of these people are illegal immigrants... but dimwits like you can only back up a story with a bleating heart.

It's certainly not our fault that a nutcase regime wants to kill it's own people and it's certainly not my civil duty to take in illegal immigrants. But that's your choice so go for it .......

I'm just glad you are not PM of any country where border protection is paramount and the reason is to try to keep out extremist involved in terrorism.

[RockyBeerbelly]

Nice reply RockyBeerbelly.

I hear what you say, however we come from a culture where we expect to work and also help those less fortunate which it seems we both do in our own ways

The current European situation though is no more than an economic and underground religious invasion.

The greater majority of these''refugee's'' are heading towards the most benevolent welfare state nothing more nothing less.

Young fit healthy men in the majority who do not have the testicles to stay and protect their families and their country.

In ten years time the results on Europe will be catastrophic culture wise, religious and, gender discrimination, economically and socially divisive results.

I fail to see how half a million people, on a total of 750 million can be called an invasion. As I said it is a mere 0.06% of the total EU population. That these refugees are seeking help in the welfare states has two reasons, one because these countries ARE welfare states and not poverty stricken countries like Greece and some of the eastern countries and two, because these welfare states ALLOW these refugees to come, again unlike all the so called EU countries from Greece till Austria (where the actual EU apparently starts).

Your statement about young healthy men not having testicles is absurd. Who should they choose to fight or join? Assad? IS? Nursa Front? PKK? Iran? Al-Qaida? In the end all fighters of these groups will be seen are war criminals. Choosing not to fight and get your family out doesnt maybe show balls in your sense of the word (in my it does actually), but at least it shows brains.....

[Credo]

I wonder what Ban Ki Moon has to say about the rights of Swedish and German nationals facing eviction from their own homes in order to fill them with economic migrants. Or for that matter the rights of local women threatened with danger of assault or rape due to the arrival of men from cultures where women are viewed as inferior. P.s the migrants are 72% males from what I read.

http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2015/09/09/the-syrian-refugee-wave-hits-europe-invasion-immigration-or-both/

Ban Ki Moon doesn't have to say anything about their rights. They are citizens of the country and they have a voice. If they do not chose to voice it, that is their problem. I have a feeling there is more to the story about these evictions.

[kennw]

Arfurcrown you hit the nail on the head. Not all are real refugees not all are grateful, take a look at the link

[RickBradford]

I fail to see how half a million people, on a total of 750 million can be called an invasion. As I said it is a mere 0.06% of the total EU population.

Incidentally, where do you get this figure of 750 million for the population of the EU? The EU itself quotes a figure of just over 500 million.

Are you including Russia in the EU, or have you simply invented 250 million people just to make your figures look better?

[ABCer]

I wonder what Ban Ki Moon has to say about the rights of Swedish and German nationals facing eviction from their own homes in order to fill them with economic migrants. Or for that matter the rights of local women threatened with danger of assault or rape due to the arrival of men from cultures where women are viewed as inferior. P.s the migrants are 72% males from what I read.

http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2015/09/09/the-syrian-refugee-wave-hits-europe-invasion-immigration-or-both/

Swedish laws prohibit to say anything about rapes and assaults by Muslims.

Swedish women do not complain. Either not allowed or at least not aloud.

Swedish men are keeping quiet because the male Muslims do not compete for their jobs.

Muslim males in Sweden don't compete for the jobs for many reasons:

- Social Security payments are high;

- They have lower qualifications;

- They are busy pursuing local women;

With regard to Hungarian attitudes being starkingly different from Swedish - the following factors come into play:

- Social Security payments are lower and harder to get;

- work prospects are very low;

- Hungarian men are more jealous;

- Hungarians like Bulgarians and Romanians being in Balkans know Muslims better.

Now, Germans attitudes are entirely different. They are awaiting for being organised and given marching orders.

Than we will witness the well known German Efficiency.

Edited September 28, 2015 by ABCer

[RockyBeerbelly]

'The fact if that this so-called Tsunami of refugees (YES refugees, not economic migrants, because for the dimwits amongst you, there is bloody war going on where a murderous regime is killing its own people'

Well RockyBeerbelly, you are incorrect, most of these people are illegal immigrants... but dimwits like you can only back up a story with a bleating heart.

It's certainly not our fault that a nutcase regime wants to kill it's own people and it's certainly not my civil duty to take in illegal immigrants. But that's your choice so go for it .......

I'm just glad you are not PM of any country where border protection is paramount and the reason is to try to keep out extremist involved in terrorism.

Its ignorance if one claims there is no war in Syria which has resulted in millions of refugees. Pretty much like the "wir haben est nicht gewust" mentality. I am also glad I am not PM of any country, but I am also glad that you are not a PM of any country in the EU since it might bring us back to Germany of the 1930ties.

Please provide proof of all the terrorists which are entering Europe now. Until you can give this proof it is nothing more than right wing propaganda....

[arfurcrown]

There is a parallel to the build up of political and para military forces in Germany and other mainland European nations in the 1930's.

We ignored the warnings then and we are all well aware of the consequences of that ignorance.

The current ''refugee'' invasion is the same scenario but wearing different clothes.

The result of ignoring the current refugee invasion this time round and letting it continue will indeed be the death of Europe culturally, economically socially and religious wise.

[ABCer]

There is a parallel to the build up of political and para military forces in Germany and other mainland European nations in the 1930's.

We ignored the warnings then and we are all well aware of the consequences of that ignorance.

The current ''refugee'' invasion is the same scenario but wearing different clothes.

The result of ignoring the current refugee invasion this time round and letting it continue will indeed be the death of Europe culturally, economically socially and religious wise.

A small correction.

It is not the current refugee invasion. It is the Islamization of Europe in the past 30 years based on and forced onto locals by Leftist Liberal Politicians.

To balance the process the pendulum must swing back. There is only one way it can go - to the Right! I am afraid it will be Extreme Right.

Islam had 1,300 years to evolve. It did not. It can not. With 45,000,000 Muslims in Europe there is only one possible outcome of this dilemma.

One of the two sides must win.

Either a New Caliphate of Europe is coming next with a huge blood bath for sissy Europeans

Or a huge blood bath for Muslims in Europe after the Extreme Right forces win.

I didn't do it. I don't want it. I can't stop it. I regret it coming.

My only hope is that those responsible for this coming disaster, the Politicians, the only guilty party to this madness will be the first victims!

Notice: Either/or applies only to end result. The blood bath is an invariable ingredient for this recipe. Very sad...

Because a hell of a lot of good innocent people on both sides will be paying for this madness

Edited September 29, 2015 by ABCer

[arfurcrown]

Point taker there ABCer.

In truth your views and mine mirror the greater majority of the peoples of Europe and elsewhwer concerning this current invasion.

All this is being achieved with the approval and connivance of duplicitous politicians who of course can pick up their bags (of money) and run when the problems escalate to new horrific and violent level resulting to the death mutilation and enslavement of the, ''the innocents on all sides.''

My comments were a little softer a little more diplomatic so as not to offend some of the less hardy souls who participate in this topic , however your words are not soft but the hard facts.