Thian Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 We did our yearly visit to kao sarn again and i noticed loads of Adidas and the lot. Also many brandname backpacks for sale. But are those real? I can't see if they are copy copy so can anybody tell me? The price is high enough to be real. The atmosphere in the area is good, i like all those bars and restaurants in farang style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacky54 Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 Expensive fakes for daft tourists Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swampdonkey Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 If you can't tell the difference between original and copy You deserve to pay a high price Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoneyboy Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 Yeah right in a back packers hot spot where people try to knock old Tick down 200 baht for an aircon room instead of a fan room,of course they aren't fake. You don't need to be Judith Chalmers to know what's what in Bangkok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thian Posted October 12, 2015 Author Share Posted October 12, 2015 For me i can only tell if they are real by buying and using it. The washingmachine is a good test or using the zippers a few hundred times is. But i thought copy copy is illegal to sell , there is a huge quantity there so it must be real then. In the past i bought some "Deuter" backpacks for 100 baht and they lasted a week, that was a bad copy i guess. But now i saw them for 1000 baht and don't know if they're real or not. Also they have Samsonite suitcases for sale, i never heard of those being copied. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wow64 Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 They are real.. Its illegal to sell fake goods in Thailand. Sent from my c64 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thian Posted October 12, 2015 Author Share Posted October 12, 2015 They are real.. Its illegal to sell fake goods in Thailand. Sent from my c64 I guess you're right, seen the huge quantity of brandnamed goods there it must be real. Also the police was patrolling the area a lot i noticed. But still it wonders me why some of those brandname goods didn't have the YKK zippers sewn into them. Good brands only use those zippers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fritzzz25 Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 They all come with the 30/30 guarantee. 30 seconds or 30 feet from the vendor and the guarantee is over. You can wash your XXL t shirt purchase once and it becomes a small. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inzman Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 I thought it was illegal to sell real goods. It infringes on the thai copy market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedtripler Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 For me i can only tell if they are real by buying and using it. The washingmachine is a good test or using the zippers a few hundred times is. But i thought copy copy is illegal to sell , there is a huge quantity there so it must be real then. In the past i bought some "Deuter" backpacks for 100 baht and they lasted a week, that was a bad copy i guess. But now i saw them for 1000 baht and don't know if they're real or not. Also they have Samsonite suitcases for sale, i never heard of those being copied. What did you expect for 100thb? Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyDan Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 They are real.. Its illegal to sell fake goods in Thailand. Sent from my c64 Wasn't there a recent quote from one of the ruling government officials that there is no prostitution in Bangkok because they have a law against it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dddave Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 Cheap backpacks marked "Spirit" are especially bad. The shoulder straps are sewn into the topseam with no re-inforcement and will detach the first time any kind of a load is carried. My GF's niece bought one for B200 for school and it didn't last a week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedtripler Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 They are real.. Its illegal to sell fake goods in Thailand. Sent from my c64 I guess you're right, seen the huge quantity of brandnamed goods there it must be real. Also the police was patrolling the area a lot i noticed. But still it wonders me why some of those brandname goods didn't have the YKK zippers sewn into them. Good brands only use those zippers. You think it's impossible to copy ykk zippers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thian Posted October 14, 2015 Author Share Posted October 14, 2015 They are real.. Its illegal to sell fake goods in Thailand. Sent from my c64 I guess you're right, seen the huge quantity of brandnamed goods there it must be real. Also the police was patrolling the area a lot i noticed. But still it wonders me why some of those brandname goods didn't have the YKK zippers sewn into them. Good brands only use those zippers. You think it's impossible to copy ykk zippers? Everything can be copied but for some reason i've never seen copycopy YKK-zippers. I've seen The North Face jackets without them in the MBK so that made them suspicious but lately i learned that the North face in Thailand only gives 2 years warranty on backpacks while they give lifetime warranty in Europe. So why is that? They have 2 grades of their products? This was in a real TNF-shop, at least that's what i think it was, it was in Central Westgate. But actually i also guess the whole Kaosarn-road is full of copy copy but how can we know it? And all those Adidas outlets i see all over BKK i don't know if they are real. I even bought real (i guess) Nike runners in the sale in big malls and they lasted 3 weeks before the soles came loose. That never happened to me in Europe. So what's real and what's not is the big question. I prefer to buy in Europe or Singapore anyway because they have my size there. Also i bought a backpack from Sierra in Sportsworld Central Chidlom, lifetime warranty (2000+ baht). After a week there was a hole in it from touching my velcro pocket in my shorts.but i didn;t get any service nor a new one. The shorts were Camel Active, how should i know those 2 brands bite eachother? And camel active shorts have a button which comes loose after 4 weeks, i had many pairs with the same problem, bought in the real dealerships. Anyway, what are good brands these days who do give good service and warranty? I'm tired of all the crap and would rather pay more for good quality. I also had a Carhartt jacket 20 years ago, it lasted for 10 years without any problems. I bought one in Paragon last year but the zipper isn't going smooth. It seems good qualitybrands don't exist anymore these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uksomchai Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 They are real.. Its illegal to sell fake goods in Thailand. Sent from my c64 I guess you're right, seen the huge quantity of brandnamed goods there it must be real. Also the police was patrolling the area a lot i noticed. But still it wonders me why some of those brandname goods didn't have the YKK zippers sewn into them. Good brands only use those zippers. You think it's impossible to copy ykk zippers? Sure do they always come out as YYK zippers They just can't help themselves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BngkkB Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 A lot of things are made in Cambodia, Vietnam and every factory has seconds. Products that make the grade to be sold in USA, Europe etc.. They could be factory seconds or Chinese first grade copies. In the fake watches you see there are different grades of fakes. Good fakes (A) can last over two years with out a problem but will run 2K+ the ones that are offered on Sukhumvit by the guys walking up to and reaching into their shoulder bags are selling (D) quality. Last about a week if your lucky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uksomchai Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 I remember reading a couple of years ago about Ray Ban taking a seller to court from around the Khao San Rd area. it turned out in court that the 200 Baht copy ray bans gave more UV protection than the very expensive originals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoneyboy Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 I remember reading a couple of years ago about Ray Ban taking a seller to court from around the Khao San Rd area. it turned out in court that the 200 Baht copy ray bans gave more UV protection than the very expensive originals Of course they did,I can imagine the Thai courts going to the expense of testing Somchais 200 baht copies in the lab. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uksomchai Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 I remember reading a couple of years ago about Ray Ban taking a seller to court from around the Khao San Rd area. it turned out in court that the 200 Baht copy ray bans gave more UV protection than the very expensive originals Of course they did,I can imagine the Thai courts going to the expense of testing Somchais 200 baht copies in the lab. Do you realise just how many fakes are produced each year ? It is BIG business Why would someone write a court report that was fiction ? You believe what you want Oh and I never pay more than 50 baht for my " originals " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoneyboy Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 I remember reading a couple of years ago about Ray Ban taking a seller to court from around the Khao San Rd area. it turned out in court that the 200 Baht copy ray bans gave more UV protection than the very expensive originals Of course they did,I can imagine the Thai courts going to the expense of testing Somchais 200 baht copies in the lab. Do you realise just how many fakes are produced each year ? It is BIG business Why would someone write a court report that was fiction ? You believe what you want Oh and I never pay more than 50 baht for my " originals " And the court report led to the conclusion that Somchais were better than those of Bausch and Lomb and that selling copies is ok,hence the abundance of fakes in Thailand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scubascuba3 Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 Unless they are in a reputable shop and retail for a similar price to the west they will be fakes definitely 100%. Only worth buying if big discount. I bought one for 500 baht I think a few years ago, looked really good, the shoulder strap as mentioned above couldn't take any decent weight and started to tear within a year. And they have some kind of cartel going down that road they fix a minimum sale price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dddave Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 You can usually determine copy athletic shoes by closely examining the stitching. Nike, Adidas and other top line manufacturers are really anal about perfect stitching. If you look at the stitched seams between the sole and the upper, the genuine brands will be perfectly straight and flawless while knock-offs will almost always have imperfections and wavy stitch lines. I agree that with backpacks, the zippers tell the story. If you can pull a closed zipper apart easily, it's a knock-off. I don't know if this is true or not but I was told that with watches, top genuine brands have one minute sweep hands that run perfectly smooth while cheaper brands and knock-offs sweep hands jump second to second. Can anybody confirm this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uksomchai Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 I remember reading a couple of years ago about Ray Ban taking a seller to court from around the Khao San Rd area. it turned out in court that the 200 Baht copy ray bans gave more UV protection than the very expensive originals Of course they did,I can imagine the Thai courts going to the expense of testing Somchais 200 baht copies in the lab. Do you realise just how many fakes are produced each year ? It is BIG business Why would someone write a court report that was fiction ? You believe what you want Oh and I never pay more than 50 baht for my " originals " And the court report led to the conclusion that Somchais were better than those of Bausch and Lomb and that selling copies is ok,hence the abundance of fakes in Thailand. I think if I remember rightly it was a shop that was selling them but charging top / real money for them and was saying in his defence he believed they were originals that is how they ended up being checked. they turned out to be fakes but very good ones as they gave better protection than the real ones. Not all copies are bad as long as you know they are and are paying copy prices. There are certain things which I would always go for high end real products and some things which I have no problem buying fake. Up to you as they like to say here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thian Posted October 15, 2015 Author Share Posted October 15, 2015 Also those The North Face jackets with fleecevest for 2500 are pretty good. But to make them every piece of fabric has to be copied since they have their brandname woven in it. My wife thinks they are B-choice but real. Sunglasses i always buy the cheapest ones but last year i found a brand from Japan which is really good. They are safetyglasses for construction but come in many taints. I use them on the motorbike. 100 baht for those which is fine. Also bought 3M sunglasses , real ones i guess, but they are crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arunsakda Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 I got some Asics running shoes from a nice shop in a fancy mall in ChiangMai. Full price. Guess what? The shoes turned out to be FAKE! Copy goods are ubiquitous here. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scubascuba3 Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 I got some Asics running shoes from a nice shop in a fancy mall in ChiangMai. Full price. Guess what? The shoes turned out to be FAKE! Copy goods are ubiquitous here. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Surprising. To be honest I wouldn't buy full price "genuine" goods as you can't/shouldn't trust it in Thailand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arunsakda Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 (edited) You're right on that. They only way to guarantee one is buying genuine is to go through the big Sports Shops and chains. I would probably not trust anything in Thailand other than the Adidas store The shoes were Asics Gel-Kayano. Been buying them for years (Sports Authority in Narita, Foot Locker in USA) They were not total junk just something "not right". So I do a little internet research and find out they are copies. Some of these shoes come from the same China sweatshops. They cut costs substituting materials, make additional unofficial runs of product and cut out the legitimate manufacturer/brand. Many retailers end up thinking they are selling the genuine article because copy product gets into legitimate supply chains through distributors In the end it is the consumer who gets screwed. Edited October 21, 2015 by arunsakda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puukao Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 (edited) just bought a Rolex there, 80% cheaper than in those stupid fancy jewelry stores i see in London and NYC......who's the sucker now??? i have heard of people spending $8000 to FAKE a Rolex, since they can then sell it for $12,000. Clowns think it's a $50,000 watch. next time, I'm going straight to Rolex Headquarters!!!! (maybe Switzerland, not sure, lol) Edited October 21, 2015 by puukao Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thian Posted October 22, 2015 Author Share Posted October 22, 2015 I bought New Balance running shoe's in the Mall Ngamwongwan and the sole came of in a month. Same happened with a pair of Nike tennisshoe's from there. So even in the big malls we can expect to get copy copy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arunsakda Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 Fakes, I'd reckon. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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