h90 Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 yes the principles of the liberal Democracy of Saudi Arabia for example. They are good friends Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LannaGuy Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 "Principles?" Hypocrisy more like. Coup against democratic government in Egypt, more US aid for the Egyptian army; coup in Thailand, nasty comments from ambassadors. Democracy with the US is like Henry Ford and the colors of the Model T car. You can have any color car as long as it is black correct and it will be any colour here as long as it's yellow and THIS is what they are working so hard to achieve before the inevitable happens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starchild5 Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 There we go again...Messiah for Peace & Democracy ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Loh Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 Any democracy even as broken as USA or soft repressive like Singapore is better than a coup junta government. A bold statement care to give your reason for making it. Where in the world is there a working democracy? The US though calling itself a republic, is, like Russia, an Ogliarchy, most of Europe are either socialist or Monarchies. Don't think I have been bold. Just need to ask the questions whether the American government is governing well and wisely or is the Singapore government leveling the political playing field for all participants. In America, the public trust in government has been free falling for decades and public approval of congress is laughably low - just look at the polls since Eisenhower to Obama. And in Singapore, ask the question why the People Action Party continue to hold 90% of seats since 1959 and why formidable constraints imposed on authentic opposition figures. Democracy may have its flaw and idiosyncrasies but the rest are worst and have more problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glaswegian Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 Davies said the US government does not take sides in Thailand's politics. "We do not choose sides but we choose principles," so whit principles are those you choose ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GAZZPA Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 It seems with this 'christian' nation, "thou shall not steal" has gone the same way as "thou shall not kill". The US is abandoning Christianity by the day so don't worry. The result of which being that "the land of the free and home of the brave" will soon be an Islamic state as it becomes the religion most practiced in the US, so don't worry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickJ Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 Every vote in Thailand should be equal!!! They should all cost the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GAZZPA Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 Lot of USA bashing on here. Don't think its all sensible though. Everyone has to admit that the USA like every country in the World is not perfect. The USA has its fair share of critics and I suppose being the number 1 global economy for over 50 years this is inevitable. But for me I think a lot of criticism is unfair. The USA is caught between 2 camps, 1 it has a duty to do whats right for its own people above and beyond all else but 2 it has a global responsibility to behave appropriately in International matters being the number 1 economy. Thats more then a difficult line to tread and yes I suspect the US has been guilty of making decisions or forming alliances in the interests of its own country where it cold be considered abandoning its principles. But, if I were an American citizen I think I would want my country to behave this way and look after American interests first despite its role as economic world leader. Eventually America will not be the leading economy, everyone knows that and the world is chaining rapidly,, I would not be so quick to criticise knowing about the future uncertainty, but you may have a different view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kennw Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 Lot of USA bashing on here. Don't think its all sensible though. Everyone has to admit that the USA like every country in the World is not perfect. The USA has its fair share of critics and I suppose being the number 1 global economy for over 50 years this is inevitable. But for me I think a lot of criticism is unfair. The USA is caught between 2 camps, 1 it has a duty to do whats right for its own people above and beyond all else but 2 it has a global responsibility to behave appropriately in International matters being the number 1 economy. Thats more then a difficult line to tread and yes I suspect the US has been guilty of making decisions or forming alliances in the interests of its own country where it cold be considered abandoning its principles. But, if I were an American citizen I think I would want my country to behave this way and look after American interests first despite its role as economic world leader. Eventually America will not be the leading economy, everyone knows that and the world is chaining rapidly,, I would not be so quick to criticise knowing about the future uncertainty, but you may have a different view. But Sir It was the American Ambassador who chose to answer a question with the "principle" statement, the posts simply suggest it was a rather poor choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Loh Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 Lot of USA bashing on here. Don't think its all sensible though. Everyone has to admit that the USA like every country in the World is not perfect. The USA has its fair share of critics and I suppose being the number 1 global economy for over 50 years this is inevitable. But for me I think a lot of criticism is unfair. The USA is caught between 2 camps, 1 it has a duty to do whats right for its own people above and beyond all else but 2 it has a global responsibility to behave appropriately in International matters being the number 1 economy. Thats more then a difficult line to tread and yes I suspect the US has been guilty of making decisions or forming alliances in the interests of its own country where it cold be considered abandoning its principles. But, if I were an American citizen I think I would want my country to behave this way and look after American interests first despite its role as economic world leader. Eventually America will not be the leading economy, everyone knows that and the world is chaining rapidly,, I would not be so quick to criticise knowing about the future uncertainty, but you may have a different view. I will always be grateful to America for sacrificing so many of their young men and women to free us from the Japanese occupation in WW2 and spread of communism post war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rancid Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 He said that with a straight face? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Srikcir Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 I hope to see Davie's support for the principle of peaceful freedom of speech this Sunday when supporters of the PTP turn out in RED shirts in protest to the junta government. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaamBaht Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 Any democracy even as broken as USA or soft repressive like Singapore is better than a coup junta government. A bold statement care to give your reason for making it. Where in the world is there a working democracy? The US though calling itself a republic, is, like Russia, an Ogliarchy, most of Europe are either socialist or Monarchies. Don't think I have been bold. Just need to ask the questions whether the American government is governing well and wisely or is the Singapore government leveling the political playing field for all participants. In America, the public trust in government has been free falling for decades and public approval of congress is laughably low - just look at the polls since Eisenhower to Obama. And in Singapore, ask the question why the People Action Party continue to hold 90% of seats since 1959 and why formidable constraints imposed on authentic opposition figures. Democracy may have its flaw and idiosyncrasies but the rest are worst and have more problems. Democracy is a messy business, as is having freedom of speech, the right of assembly, the list goes on. I'd rather take an inefficient democracy for a well oiled dictatorship any day. It's great to have places where you can still protest and speak out against injustice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trogers Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 Lot of USA bashing on here. Don't think its all sensible though. Everyone has to admit that the USA like every country in the World is not perfect. The USA has its fair share of critics and I suppose being the number 1 global economy for over 50 years this is inevitable. But for me I think a lot of criticism is unfair. The USA is caught between 2 camps, 1 it has a duty to do whats right for its own people above and beyond all else but 2 it has a global responsibility to behave appropriately in International matters being the number 1 economy. Thats more then a difficult line to tread and yes I suspect the US has been guilty of making decisions or forming alliances in the interests of its own country where it cold be considered abandoning its principles. But, if I were an American citizen I think I would want my country to behave this way and look after American interests first despite its role as economic world leader. Eventually America will not be the leading economy, everyone knows that and the world is chaining rapidly,, I would not be so quick to criticise knowing about the future uncertainty, but you may have a different view. I will always be grateful to America for sacrificing so many of their young men and women to free us from the Japanese occupation in WW2 and spread of communism post war. The present grandchildren of those who fought in WW2, and who are now in power, have lost all those precious principles of their grandparents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulic Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 Nobody really believes this do they. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomJoad Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 (edited) One simple history question: Who do YOU honestly think has been more dangerous for the rest of the world? [a] Thailand George W. Bush Edited October 29, 2015 by TomJoad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farangmick Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 At least the US has sent a career diplomat as Ambassador and not the faded movie star, big donor to the the governing party, or Presidents golfing buddy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khunken Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 As Groucho Marx said 'Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others.' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jobsworth Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 ngo's are just a front for the american cia and fbi. they should not be involved with Thai politics. Cambodia is introducing laws to curtail the power of ngo's. maybe Thailand should do the same. Thailand is for Thai people. It should not become another american colony. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arunsakda Posted October 30, 2015 Share Posted October 30, 2015 What heroes of democracy. Did they not send a firm letter of censure in 2003 regarding a crackdown on drug dealers? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muirton Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 what happens when two sides have opposing principles? We choose the principles that would benefit us the most...? Democracy is just a cover. Remember how we supported Saddam Hussein of very democractic Iraq? He won every elections since he came to power. Wondering what happened to him though... Democracy is just a cover for what? Please be specific or stop flapping lip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muirton Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 what happens when two sides have opposing principles? We choose the principles that would benefit us the most...? Democracy is just a cover. Remember how we supported Saddam Hussein of very democractic Iraq? He won every elections since he came to power. Wondering what happened to him though... Democracy is just a cover for what? Please be specific or stop flapping lip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muirton Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 " Principle" Mr. Ambassador - your stand on Saudi ? A convicted criminal refusing to stand trial? What are you babbling about? What you've written has no meaning, no subtance, no sense. Do try again, tho'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muirton Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 One simple history question: Who do YOU honestly think has been more dangerous for the rest of the world? [a] Thailand George W. Bush What's your point? Why not ask an intelligent question, if you can? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trogers Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 what happens when two sides have opposing principles?We choose the principles that would benefit us the most...?Democracy is just a cover. Remember how we supported Saddam Hussein of very democractic Iraq? He won every elections since he came to power. Wondering what happened to him though... Democracy is just a cover for what? Please be specific or stop flapping lip. You need to read between lines...We choose the principles that benefit us the most...irregardless of the character of the people in power nor how they bought themselves into power, nor should the election be rigged. As long as there is an election and the adopted principles are to our benefit, you have our full support. But should your principles have negative impact on us, there could be suspicion that you are developing WMDs, elections or no elections... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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