Butcher held over murder, dismemberment of woman in Bangkok

[cookee68]

missing from a karaoke shop

[bluecheesefan]

Okay, it has been awhile since I have contributed to a news story like this on this site, but it just makes me crazy to read the posts. Here is what I would like everyone on here to do. Use the internet or if you are posting from your home country, tune to the local news from your area. Watch it for a week straight. Keep count of the number of attacks, rapes, robberies, murders and other nefarious things that take place in your home town. Start living in reality of life as it is. EVERY WHERE there are crimes committed. Why do you think detective shows on TV are so prevalent? People in society are fascinated by death and the people that commit crimes. If not, then no one would watch these shows and news as it exists would be gone. If we wanted to watch a rosey picture of society, the news would stop reporting the bad stuff. We want it and crave it. It is part of ALL societies. Just because Thailand also has crime does not determine safe or not. That is ridiculous.

This site finds every single instance of issues dealing with crime. The same as the local news in your home time. The same as every news site in the world. It is a thing that fascinates society. Thailand is no different than any other society in any other country. You do not believe that foreigners die in Singapore, Japan, Australia? It happens every day. It is the same as any where else in the world... you must play by the rules of the country you live in or visit. It is not your country. Never think that it is. Even when in your home country, do you lock your doors? Do you park your car under a light? Do you make sure you have a friend around in case things get rough at a certain bar?

This story is about a guy that lost his girlfriend. He couldn't handle it. He lost his control and killed her. He tried to hide the fact. He was not successful. Wow, how many times have we heard that story in books, TV, film, you name it. Just because this guy does something has no relevance in the safety of Thailand and just because foreigners die in Thailand or any other country doesn't mean that all the people in the country want that person dead. How you interact, how you present yourself, how you live, how you ensure your own safety has always been up to you whether you live in Thailand or any other country in the world. Bad people exist everywhere. You wouldn't walk into a bar in New York City at midnight, flash 2,000 dollars and then act like a jerk to everyone there, grab a girl's ass and then simply walk out of the bar five blocks to your home or hotel and NOT expect a possible repercussion... or would you?

The generalizations on this site just make me cringe.

[Happy Grumpy]

This story is about a guy that lost his girlfriend. He couldn't handle it. He lost his control and killed her.

Same as the one yesterday.

And the day before.

And the day before.

[Thongkorn]

does that mean you should fall in love with a butcher .................. maybe a pastry cook is more liking.

No a lollipop lady, that conjures up a thought, licked to death.

[steven100]

Edit :

does that mean you shouldn't fall in love with a butcher .................. maybe a pastry cook is more liking.

[kennypowers]

Chopping up defenceless animals is no different from chopping up a human. Those who can do the former can certainly do the latter. Both animals and humans feel parallel levels of fear, stress and pain. This is a scientific fact.

RIP to the young lady.

Edited November 9, 2015 by kennypowers

[ALFREDO]

I wonder how many people die each day from non-natural causes ? 2nd in the world for road deaths, an unusually high number of "suicides" and all manner of deaths related to drugs,drink,domestic violence and so on. It's got to be a shocking figure when totted up. Ultimately too many Thai men are just morons with no self control.

Not so shocking in comparison

Thailand on a level with USA in homicides p capita. 106th place from 216 Countries.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

Thailand on a level with USA in suicide p capita 50+ place from 170 countries

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate

[ALFREDO]

Thailand is fast becoming the pits people killing girlfriends and wives every day men going round in gangs to beat-up students because their son gets beat at computer game, been here 16 years and think possibly time to move on now the Thai males are getting out of control and more violent by the day.

Sure; just try Brazil, Mexico, the Phillipines, Russia, Bangladesh or any country ending in -stan. You'll be much happier.

Here you go.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

[roo860]

Been here over 30 years and never felt safer.

Then again how unsafe can it get wedged behind a computer screen 24-7? [emoji39]

I'll bet you son, I've lived a lot more dangerously in my life than you have.

Never even had a computer until I had been here nearly 20 years. Back in the 80s there was a different kind of expat to nowadays. These days they are retired civil servants and people with similar boring lives who found love on the internet and came to live here.

Special Forces?

[Docno]

Chopping up defenceless animals is no different from chopping up a human. Those who can do the former can certainly do the latter. Both animals and humans feel parallel levels of fear, stress and pain. This is a scientific fact.

RIP to the young lady.

Mind citing the scientific studies that back up your fact? My childhood friend ended up being a butcher. I never felt worried around him ... great guy. Also note that he did not kill the animals -- the carcasses were delivered from the slaugterhouse to his butcher shop. So yes, I guess the animals he was dealing with were as defensless as the steak I ate for dinner last night. I respect people who choose vegetarianism on moral grounds -- they certainly have a point worth considering. But suggesting that butchers are, by virtue of their trade, prone to murder is plain ridiculous.

[cyberfarang]

I have really started to feel uncomfortable here since some years.

Gruesome violence, widespread corruption, greedy people, and materialism have changed my feeling for this once beloved country.

But my Thai wife doesn't even want to talk about it

Cannot say I blame her. Her talking about it will not make the problem go away. Why stir things up and raise your blood pressure. Smart woman. Yes its gruesome but other parts of the world are the same. There is no little corner to hide in anymore. We are the product of a greedy I want it it now world. Just look around you. As we sow so shall we reap.

Maybe other parts of the world are the same but it is still pretty bad here.

I have to say I still generally feel safe when I walk around in Pattaya, except when I walk past a load of drunken motorbike taxi guys sitting there waiting for fares, they stare at you, talk amongst themselves and do make you feel uncomfortable for sure.

I avoid all of the crappy, sleazy places anyway so I guess I miss most of the idiots.

I feel generally safe, but there does seem to be increasing news reports of grizzly murders and assaults and none of us know if or when we might happen to be in the wrong places at the wrong times or on the receiving end of madmen. I think the roads are the scariest, get into any disputes and could end up dead or in disputes anywhere.

The thing is, what can we do? Can`t live in bubbles for the rest of our lives.

[SiSePuede419]

Maybe we need to start a Watch List with the names of all butchers, surgeons and former surgeons running for President.

555

[LisuLover]

The perp', Ken Wankham ... really?

[TheKnave]

Been here over 30 years and never felt safer.

I love the sound of whistling in the dark...

[webfact]

Laotian charged over gory murder
The Nation



BANGKOK: -- POLICE have charged a Lao man for allegedly murdering and dismembering a Myanmar woman whose body parts were recovered at several Bangkok klong locations on Sunday.

Hua Mark police have charged Jai Kenwankham, 39, with killing and dismembering Mali Thaiyai, 27.

Jai was arrested at Jinda apartments at Soi Ramkhamhaeng 53 in Bang Kapi, Bangkok.

Pol Lt-General Sanit Mahatawon said Jai confessed to the crime allegedly saying he "impulsively" killed the woman after they argued and cut up the body and put the parts into fertiliser bags.

Jai allegedly disposed of the bags early on Saturday.

Police said Jai used to work in a slaughterhouse as a butcher in Laos before moving to Thailand and working at a restaurant.

After a raid on Jai's apartment, police said they found Mali's mobile phone and a knife, and there were bloodstains in the toilet.

Police will conduct DNA tests.

Klong Tan police said they found a fertiliser bag containing a body part tied to a pier close to Phakamat village in Soi Pridi Banomyong 14.

On Saturday afternoon, four body parts were discovered at three separate areas in Klong Saen Saeb in Soi Ramkhamhaeng 53, which is about 40 metres from Jai's room.

A head and a right leg were discovered at the Rama IX water-pump station in Huai Khwang district, while a left leg was found at the Wat Tuek Ramkhamhaeng community pier in Soi Ramkhamhaeng 39, Wang Thonglang district.

Mali's boyfriend, Vittaya Pulyiem, 30, identified her from a butterfly tattoo on her shin and a green flower on her thigh. Vittaya said Mali worked at a karaoke business in Lamsali and disappeared on Thursday.

Source: http://www.nationmultimedia.com/national/Laotian-charged-over-gory-murder-30272603.html


-- The Nation 2015-11-10

[jacko45k]

I have really started to feel uncomfortable here since some years.

Gruesome violence, widespread corruption, greedy people, and materialism have changed my feeling for this once beloved country.

But my Thai wife doesn't even want to talk about it

She doesn't want to talk about moving elsewhere, or the demise of the country?

If the latter, there, obviously is another issue, of refusing to see the issues.

[SiSePuede419]

"If the latter, there, obviously is another issue, of refusing to see the issues."

It's not that Thai people don't see the issues.

It's just illegal to TALK about the "root cause" of said issues.

In fact, there is a law so horrible, they have no equivalent name in Thai, so they use the original Farang (French) name...

[beowolf2012]

I wonder how many people die each day from non-natural causes ? 2nd in the world for road deaths, an unusually high number of "suicides" and all manner of deaths related to drugs,drink,domestic violence and so on. It's got to be a shocking figure when totted up. Ultimately too many Thai men are just morons with no self control.

psycopat you meaning?

psycopat exist in every country not only Thailand. You talk about self control right?

[duckmandon]

Thailand is fast becoming the pits people killing girlfriends and wives every day men going round in gangs to beat-up students because their son gets beat at computer game, been here 16 years and think possibly time to move on now the Thai males are getting out of control and more violent by the day.

Me too, after 20 years in Thailand I feel it's time to move away.

Too violence in the ex land of smile

I have been here 2 years & yes we are selling our house & moving back to a civilized country, Australia. To much worrying here about whether your going to upset someone or your going to get killed on the roads. Thais can have this place they deserve it.

[riceyummm]

Me too, after 20 years in Thailand I feel it's time to move away.

Too violence in the ex land of smile

Just curious.... 20 years ago did you have access to social media in which almost every single violent crime across the country is reported in glorious detail along with half-page colour photos and streamed CCTV videos?

Here's a perfect example: My mother spent the last 30 years of her life in a huge retirement community where almost NOTHING ever happened. She spent her time watching New Jersey News Channel where 70% of all stories were of murder, rape, beatings, child abuse, crashes, etc. She was perpetually terrified that a drug crazed lunatic bent on mayhem would come crashing through the door. Not a good way to spend the last third of her life.

If you haven't read Steven Pinker's "The Better Angels Of Our Nature" try it if you can get it, it completely changed my perspective on this issue and has thousands of scholarly references to back up his conclusions.

[BuaBS]

Chopping up defenceless animals is no different from chopping up a human. Those who can do the former can certainly do the latter. Both animals and humans feel parallel levels of fear, stress and pain. This is a scientific fact.

RIP to the young lady.

Mind citing the scientific studies that back up your fact? My childhood friend ended up being a butcher. I never felt worried around him ... great guy. Also note that he did not kill the animals -- the carcasses were delivered from the slaugterhouse to his butcher shop. So yes, I guess the animals he was dealing with were as defensless as the steak I ate for dinner last night. I respect people who choose vegetarianism on moral grounds -- they certainly have a point worth considering. But suggesting that butchers are, by virtue of their trade, prone to murder is plain ridiculous.

He was a butcher at a cattle slaughterhouse. There is no difference in murdering animals or humans.

I'm sure working in a slaughterhouse seeing it everyday and probably slaughtered too , this was second nature for him.

Being a butcher already makes him a murderer , now only with the woman killed , he will go to prison for it.

[Docno]

Chopping up defenceless animals is no different from chopping up a human. Those who can do the former can certainly do the latter. Both animals and humans feel parallel levels of fear, stress and pain. This is a scientific fact.

RIP to the young lady.

Mind citing the scientific studies that back up your fact? My childhood friend ended up being a butcher. I never felt worried around him ... great guy. Also note that he did not kill the animals -- the carcasses were delivered from the slaugterhouse to his butcher shop. So yes, I guess the animals he was dealing with were as defensless as the steak I ate for dinner last night. I respect people who choose vegetarianism on moral grounds -- they certainly have a point worth considering. But suggesting that butchers are, by virtue of their trade, prone to murder is plain ridiculous.

He was a butcher at a cattle slaughterhouse. There is no difference in murdering animals or humans.

I'm sure working in a slaughterhouse seeing it everyday and probably slaughtered too , this was second nature for him.

Being a butcher already makes him a murderer , now only with the woman killed , he will go to prison for it.

Ridiculous argument. Murder is about mindset. A soldier kills other soldiers in the context of war. That does not make him a murderer. It does not mean that every soldier who returns to society is a potential murderer. Similarly, a person who kills animals that (most of) the rest of us eat also has a certain mindset when doing their job. It is a completely different mindset from that of a person committing a murder. I can (and will) kill a cockroach, but I don't believe that makes me capable of murder (yes, cockroaches are animals). Do you? I put cockroaches in a different category from humans, and that 'allows' me (psychologically) to kill them. That categorical differentiation also prevents me from generalising this behaviour to humans. I would submit that the same is true for butchers tasked with killing pigs, cows, etc. You make a moral assertion when you say that there is "no difference in 'murdering' animals or humans". Such a statement cannot be proven empirically. However, do note that every dictionary defintion of "murder" that I could find describes it as the killing of a human or person. That creates problems for your argument.

p.s. My mother-in-law used to raise chickens and would occasionally have to kill them for food. Out of karma concerns she is now 100% vegetarian and will not even (literally) kill a cockroach. What - was she a potential murderer of humans before but not now?

[Docno]

Me too, after 20 years in Thailand I feel it's time to move away.

Too violence in the ex land of smile

Just curious.... 20 years ago did you have access to social media in which almost every single violent crime across the country is reported in glorious detail along with half-page colour photos and streamed CCTV videos?

Here's a perfect example: My mother spent the last 30 years of her life in a huge retirement community where almost NOTHING ever happened. She spent her time watching New Jersey News Channel where 70% of all stories were of murder, rape, beatings, child abuse, crashes, etc. She was perpetually terrified that a drug crazed lunatic bent on mayhem would come crashing through the door. Not a good way to spend the last third of her life.

If you haven't read Steven Pinker's "The Better Angels Of Our Nature" try it if you can get it, it completely changed my perspective on this issue and has thousands of scholarly references to back up his conclusions.

Brilliant book - made a big impact on me too. Despite all the nastiness we see on the 6 o'clock news every night, we are actually quite fortunate to be living in these times (so long as we're not living in Syria, etc.). Of course, individual societies (like Syria again) can take a step back in terms of violence, but as a species we have become gradually less and less violent since the early days of civilisation. Another excellent book that has some relevance here is Thinking Fast and Slow by Daniel Kahneman. He talks about cognitive errors we are prone to making such as the 'availability heuristic' in which we estimate the likelihood of something on the basis of how easily we can recall instances of it. So because I can easily recall several instances of foreigners being killed by Thais (from reading this site), I'm prone to over-estimating how likely such an event is, especially as I don't have any relevant baseline data (how many foreigners are in the country at any one time, the comparitive frequency with which Thais are killed by Thais, etc etc).

[earthpig]

I wonder how many people die each day from non-natural causes ? 2nd in the world for road deaths, an unusually high number of "suicides" and all manner of deaths related to drugs,drink,domestic violence and so on. It's got to be a shocking figure when totted up. Ultimately too many Thai men are just morons with no self control.

Not so shocking in comparison

Thailand on a level with USA in homicides p capita. 106th place from 216 Countries.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

Thailand on a level with USA in suicide p capita 50+ place from 170 countries

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate

Thailand may have only a 10% higher homicide rate compared to the USA of REPORTED homicides, but when you consider what percentage of actual homicides here are actually reported as such, I doubt the true homicide rates are at all close.

[earthpig]

What appeared obvious from Thai television, but not from the photo above, is that our savage of the day is not only a butcher but a katoey as well. These people are walking mental illness cases, and Thai society is full of them. That is sad, and dangerous enough, but when we must factor in the attractiveness of permissive, maipenrai Thailand to foreign sexual deviants as well, it become clear that Thailand is a particularly dangerous place.

Thai Immigration should do much more to protect its citizens from this type of foreign threat.

[Lee4Life]

I wonder how many people die each day from non-natural causes ? 2nd in the world for road deaths, an unusually high number of "suicides" and all manner of deaths related to drugs,drink,domestic violence and so on. It's got to be a shocking figure when totted up. Ultimately too many Thai men are just morons with no self control.

psycopat you meaning?

psycopat exist in every country not only Thailand. You talk about self control right?

psycopat?...is that an expat gone bad?

[SOTIRIOS]

....another monster passing as a human...

[kiwikeith]

I have really started to feel uncomfortable here since some years.

Gruesome violence, widespread corruption, greedy people, and materialism have changed my feeling for this once beloved country.

But my Thai wife doesn't even want to talk about it

Sorry to say I agree, Thai family are reluctant to talk of most problems.

I see this as a world wide problem, my mother at 88 years old was followed home from a supermarket and robbed in her driveway by two young persons (one male ,one female).

Murders all the time in NZ.

The world economy in tatters, tourism down.

The more tesco lotus and makros that open up create unemployment, look what happened in the US with walmart, it's slowly happening here along with tourism numbers plunging.

Forget the Chinese tourists they don't count,their money spent is already accounted for by Chinese Thai interests they are not much value to the local thai economy.

Then add in the stupid Thai soaps with spirits and guns as the norm, and Bums on seat movies thoughout the world exploiting zombies , vampires, shootings and car chases.

Then the sicko ISIS in this world and their financiars.

Sick world.

I am carefull where I go now in Thailand I tend to stick with expat frequented places only.

[springheeled jack]

a country is only as bad as the people who live in it I am only beginning to feel uncomfortable now not because of the thai people but because of the influx of foreigners who in my opinion should not have been allowed into the country the scum of the earth, undesirables, criminals they are all here .

[Tom Cahill]

Me too, after 20 years in Thailand I feel it's time to move away.

Too violence in the ex land of smile

Just curious.... 20 years ago did you have access to social media in which almost every single violent crime across the country is reported in glorious detail along with half-page colour photos and streamed CCTV videos?

Here's a perfect example: My mother spent the last 30 years of her life in a huge retirement community where almost NOTHING ever happened. She spent her time watching New Jersey News Channel where 70% of all stories were of murder, rape, beatings, child abuse, crashes, etc. She was perpetually terrified that a drug crazed lunatic bent on mayhem would come crashing through the door. Not a good way to spend the last third of her life.

If you haven't read Steven Pinker's "The Better Angels Of Our Nature" try it if you can get it, it completely changed my perspective on this issue and has thousands of scholarly references to back up his conclusions.

Docno & riceyummmm,

Surely you know that all of the uninformed, self assured, sarcastic, over the top, childish comments on here are from people who are like old ladies; uneducated old ladies with low IQs, just like home. They think the TV is something they use, but in fact it's their God. Now, they treat the internet the same way. They're a peasant class who have nothing better to say, as they don't have the mental equipment and their lack of testosterone and resultant impotence makes them scared of everything.

Back to the facts. The roads aren't that bad here for a comparative country and it's not violent at all hardly. The statistics are all lies and Thais don't care what the rest of the World thinks of them so they'll not be bothered paying to have themselves be judged a safer country.