Farang99 Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 High risk for corruption implies that it is something that may happen, but has not yet done so. Uhhuh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoshowJones Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 No "high risk of corruption" here. 100% certainty. Can all the people who talk about Thai corruption honestly say they have not participated in any way? No point in being hypocritical about this, if there is any sort of corruption that's going to benefit you, then carry on and don't complain about it. Corruption in the UK is worse, ie the government and the banks, the big difference is that the UK politicians are much cleverer and better educated than the Thai politicians, and can therefor use it for themselves and get away with it. Ok I'll admit it - I contribute to corruption and have done for 30 years. I rather pay 200 baht to the road cop that the hassle of going to the station to pick it up. I have paid immigration 5 k a year so I don't have to spend 10k going to Bkk every year for a letter. I paid x00,000 baht to someone to get my daughter a good job. I paid money loads of times for my son to 'pass' through school. I paid for all my kids to "get entry" to a good school. I've given a land office official money to grease the wheels. many more examples esp. at the amphur But I never complain about the corruption, so I ain't a hypocrite Excellent post Johnniey, and I agree, you are certainly no hypocrite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
English 1 Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 WoW that really is a journalistic Breaking News story! I am really surprised and shocked! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smotherb Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 Read just today that Prayut has $18M USD in assets and his salary as army chief was $43K USD annually at retirement. That's a he!! of an accomplishment! Sure, and now that it is printed here on TV, it can't be anything but the gospel. Cite your sources, please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonawatchee Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 The '5 Rivers' will wash all corruption away. temporarily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MockingJay Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 (edited) Thailand? No way!!!! "Get the corruption started, get the corruption started, get the corruption started, dance, dance!""Get the corruption started, get the........" Edited November 13, 2015 by MockingJay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenixdoglover Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 The sad aspect for Thailand is the inability to make the military accountable. This untouchable status is enshrined in the Constitution. While we squabble, the Thai Military is doing their level best to stay on top. The very top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heybruce Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 Transparency International, yes remember when ti was created 22-years ago in Germany at which time I questioned the who is who involved in the creation and who did pay for the big cars like Mercedes they were tooling around in and the big Havana cigars they were smoking, sure did p%<s them off resulting in me being placd on their blacklist. Transparency International and Amnesty International both in the same league of the none-NGOs referring to themselves as NGOs and there are lots of them if you care to do some in-depth searching. Instead of attacking the messenger, why not address the message--a lack of transparency and oversight leaves Thailand and its military at high risk for graft? Or are you attacking the messenger because you can't refute the message? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heybruce Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 Read just today that Prayut has $18M USD in assets and his salary as army chief was $43K USD annually at retirement. That's a he!! of an accomplishment! Sure, and now that it is printed here on TV, it can't be anything but the gospel. Cite your sources, please. He already did. where did you see this? It's an AP article ran in Yahoo. I saw Oct 31 and thought it was from a week ago. On 2nd look, it turns out it was from Oct 31, 2014 http://finance.yahoo.com/news/thai-prime-minister-ex-general-153400812.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GAZZPA Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 Transparency can never happen, if it does it exposes all of the high level corruption and lining of pockets. The only way this will ever work is if some kind of amnesty is called upon for all current officials. Otherwise it will be a closed door forever. I know its not ideal to let historical corruption to be forgiven but the only other solution is a true independent, incorruptible corruption department with real power and what are the chances of that. Its a difficult one as corruption is rampant from top to bottom how do you change the tide? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnniey Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 (edited) No "high risk of corruption" here. 100% certainty. Can all the people who talk about Thai corruption honestly say they have not participated in any way? No point in being hypocritical about this, if there is any sort of corruption that's going to benefit you, then carry on and don't complain about it. Corruption in the UK is worse, ie the government and the banks, the big difference is that the UK politicians are much cleverer and better educated than the Thai politicians, and can therefor use it for themselves and get away with it. How many can say they've never been to Nana Plaza, Pattaya or Pat Pong(they wouldn't exist without foreigners participating in corruption). Or bought a pirate DVD from Pathip plaza. How many are moaning about corruption whilst typing on a computer without a genuine Windows???? Look forward to maybe 1 poster saying he is not corrupt in any way. So much hypocrisy. Edited November 13, 2015 by Johnniey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GAZZPA Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 No "high risk of corruption" here. 100% certainty. Can all the people who talk about Thai corruption honestly say they have not participated in any way? No point in being hypocritical about this, if there is any sort of corruption that's going to benefit you, then carry on and don't complain about it. Corruption in the UK is worse, ie the government and the banks, the big difference is that the UK politicians are much cleverer and better educated than the Thai politicians, and can therefor use it for themselves and get away with it. How many can say they've never been to Nana Plaza, Pattaya or Pat Pong(they wouldn't exist without foreigners participating in corruption). Or bought a pirate DVD from Pathip plaza. How many are moaning about corruption whilst typing on a computer without a genuine Windows???? Look forward to maybe 1 poster saying he is not corrupt in any way. So much hypocrisy. Corruption in the UK is worse! Go and have a good lie down, what a ridiculous thing to say.. I have never paid police tea money but I have been forced to here, I know I can call the police in the UK and they come and help,not here. Corruption is so rampant here you see it everywhere you go from top to bottom and yet everyone turns a blind eye. It destroys society, ruins economies and gives the "corrupt" elite even more power. By the way, i am not corrupt. I dont want to participate in any form of corruption, I have left working for a company because the corruption was so engrained you could not function without getting involved.. So, dont judge yourself by your own low standards. Thailand would be 100x better if they eradicated corruption, at least to as far as they can. Lastly, yes there is corruption elsewhere including the UK but it is not tolerated or accepted and the people found guilty face the justice system so please stop making such silly comments and get real. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnniey Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 No "high risk of corruption" here. 100% certainty. Can all the people who talk about Thai corruption honestly say they have not participated in any way? No point in being hypocritical about this, if there is any sort of corruption that's going to benefit you, then carry on and don't complain about it. Corruption in the UK is worse, ie the government and the banks, the big difference is that the UK politicians are much cleverer and better educated than the Thai politicians, and can therefor use it for themselves and get away with it. How many can say they've never been to Nana Plaza, Pattaya or Pat Pong(they wouldn't exist without foreigners participating in corruption). Or bought a pirate DVD from Pathip plaza. How many are moaning about corruption whilst typing on a computer without a genuine Windows???? Look forward to maybe 1 poster saying he is not corrupt in any way. So much hypocrisy. Corruption in the UK is worse! Go and have a good lie down, what a ridiculous thing to say.. I have never paid police tea money but I have been forced to here, I know I can call the police in the UK and they come and help,not here. Corruption is so rampant here you see it everywhere you go from top to bottom and yet everyone turns a blind eye. It destroys society, ruins economies and gives the "corrupt" elite even more power. By the way, i am not corrupt. I dont want to participate in any form of corruption, I have left working for a company because the corruption was so engrained you could not function without getting involved.. So, dont judge yourself by your own low standards. Thailand would be 100x better if they eradicated corruption, at least to as far as they can. Lastly, yes there is corruption elsewhere including the UK but it is not tolerated or accepted and the people found guilty face the justice system so please stop making such silly comments and get real. So you've never been to Nana Plaza or Panthip Plaza? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoshowJones Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 No "high risk of corruption" here. 100% certainty. Can all the people who talk about Thai corruption honestly say they have not participated in any way? No point in being hypocritical about this, if there is any sort of corruption that's going to benefit you, then carry on and don't complain about it. Corruption in the UK is worse, ie the government and the banks, the big difference is that the UK politicians are much cleverer and better educated than the Thai politicians, and can therefor use it for themselves and get away with it. How many can say they've never been to Nana Plaza, Pattaya or Pat Pong(they wouldn't exist without foreigners participating in corruption). Or bought a pirate DVD from Pathip plaza. How many are moaning about corruption whilst typing on a computer without a genuine Windows???? Look forward to maybe 1 poster saying he is not corrupt in any way. So much hypocrisy. Corruption in the UK is worse! Go and have a good lie down, what a ridiculous thing to say.. I have never paid police tea money but I have been forced to here, I know I can call the police in the UK and they come and help,not here. Corruption is so rampant here you see it everywhere you go from top to bottom and yet everyone turns a blind eye. It destroys society, ruins economies and gives the "corrupt" elite even more power. By the way, i am not corrupt. I dont want to participate in any form of corruption, I have left working for a company because the corruption was so engrained you could not function without getting involved.. So, dont judge yourself by your own low standards. Thailand would be 100x better if they eradicated corruption, at least to as far as they can. Lastly, yes there is corruption elsewhere including the UK but it is not tolerated or accepted and the people found guilty face the justice system so please stop making such silly comments and get real. Lastly, yes there is corruption elsewhere including the UK but it is not tolerated or accepted and the people found guilty face the justice system so please stop making such silly comments and get real. ?? So when is 'call me Dave' Cameron and the bankers going to be called to court? I'll tell you, never. The corruption in the police is hidden because they are clever enough to keep it inhouse. Have you ever read UK newspapers? There have been policemen charged with corruption, it is wellknown around certain places that businesses make payments to the police to overlook unlawful things that are going on. So nobody really needs to get real, and their has been no silly comments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heybruce Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 Corruption is everywhere. There is a small amount of corruption in countries like the UK, where tolerance is low and those caught are prosecuted. This keeps corruption from ruining the country. There is a lot of corruption in Thailand, where it is endemic and people who rose to the highest levels of the corrupt system don't want to change a system that serves them well. Most people can understand the difference between countries that fight corruption at all levels, and those that are corrupted to the highest levels. Clearly some people don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobb Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 I wonder that what was there first fact that Thailand was corrupt. The two prior PM,s under indictment or the politicians or even maybe the Thai police. You get what you deserve Thailand! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
max72 Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 It's amazing how corruption has risen in Thailand in the past years and a half. Now cops are launging around threating tourists and businesses extorting money from people with total impunity,like never before. Since my first trips to Thailand in the 90s, I 'd say Thailand has never been as much corrupt as it is now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wotaplonker Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 grass found to be green ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taony Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 This is shocking. I thinks its best to pretend it never happened. Forget you read this boys! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heybruce Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 I wonder that what was there first fact that Thailand was corrupt. The two prior PM,s under indictment or the politicians or even maybe the Thai police. You get what you deserve Thailand! You only read the title, not the article, didn't you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai at Heart Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 Yes but considering their much smaller numbers, more outside focus and hence a need for far more sophisticated money laundering techniques, FIFA and IAAF could certainly show the Thai Government a thing or two on how to improve their "take" from the general population thro' corruption. The mad General should appoint Sepp Blatter as a government advisor. Then things would start improving. Perhaps then then could attain special status "F" in Transparency International's grading. You are doing the underestimating thing......Thailand's "shadow economy" is 57% of the nation;'s wealth! Most of this is the result of illegal or unacknowledged business 57%? Even that is a stretch of the most imaginative mind. So the gdp of the country is underestimated by this much. I think not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai at Heart Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 No "high risk of corruption" here. 100% certainty. Can all the people who talk about Thai corruption honestly say they have not participated in any way? No point in being hypocritical about this, if there is any sort of corruption that's going to benefit you, then carry on and don't complain about it. Corruption in the UK is worse, ie the government and the banks, the big difference is that the UK politicians are much cleverer and better educated than the Thai politicians, and can therefor use it for themselves and get away with it. How many can say they've never been to Nana Plaza, Pattaya or Pat Pong(they wouldn't exist without foreigners participating in corruption). Or bought a pirate DVD from Pathip plaza. How many are moaning about corruption whilst typing on a computer without a genuine Windows???? Look forward to maybe 1 poster saying he is not corrupt in any way. So much hypocrisy. Corruption in the UK is worse! Go and have a good lie down, what a ridiculous thing to say.. I have never paid police tea money but I have been forced to here, I know I can call the police in the UK and they come and help,not here. Corruption is so rampant here you see it everywhere you go from top to bottom and yet everyone turns a blind eye. It destroys society, ruins economies and gives the "corrupt" elite even more power. By the way, i am not corrupt. I dont want to participate in any form of corruption, I have left working for a company because the corruption was so engrained you could not function without getting involved.. So, dont judge yourself by your own low standards. Thailand would be 100x better if they eradicated corruption, at least to as far as they can. Lastly, yes there is corruption elsewhere including the UK but it is not tolerated or accepted and the people found guilty face the justice system so please stop making such silly comments and get real. Lastly, yes there is corruption elsewhere including the UK but it is not tolerated or accepted and the people found guilty face the justice system so please stop making such silly comments and get real. ?? So when is 'call me Dave' Cameron and the bankers going to be called to court? I'll tell you, never. The corruption in the police is hidden because they are clever enough to keep it inhouse. Have you ever read UK newspapers? There have been policemen charged with corruption, it is wellknown around certain places that businesses make payments to the police to overlook unlawful things that are going on. So nobody really needs to get real, and their has been no silly comments. Well known that people pay off the police? As a percentage of all the police in the UK, how many are part of this well known payment system? Since u made the accusation, I am curious to your figure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William C F Pierce Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 Thailand rated high risk for graft. How much longer must Thais get away with misusing the English word "graft" that means to work hard. The use of corruption is exactly the opposite to working hard for what you deserve. Is it any wonder that it is so difficult to understand what Thais mean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoshowJones Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 No "high risk of corruption" here. 100% certainty. Can all the people who talk about Thai corruption honestly say they have not participated in any way? No point in being hypocritical about this, if there is any sort of corruption that's going to benefit you, then carry on and don't complain about it. Corruption in the UK is worse, ie the government and the banks, the big difference is that the UK politicians are much cleverer and better educated than the Thai politicians, and can therefor use it for themselves and get away with it. How many can say they've never been to Nana Plaza, Pattaya or Pat Pong(they wouldn't exist without foreigners participating in corruption). Or bought a pirate DVD from Pathip plaza. How many are moaning about corruption whilst typing on a computer without a genuine Windows???? Look forward to maybe 1 poster saying he is not corrupt in any way. So much hypocrisy. Corruption in the UK is worse! Go and have a good lie down, what a ridiculous thing to say.. I have never paid police tea money but I have been forced to here, I know I can call the police in the UK and they come and help,not here. Corruption is so rampant here you see it everywhere you go from top to bottom and yet everyone turns a blind eye. It destroys society, ruins economies and gives the "corrupt" elite even more power. By the way, i am not corrupt. I dont want to participate in any form of corruption, I have left working for a company because the corruption was so engrained you could not function without getting involved.. So, dont judge yourself by your own low standards. Thailand would be 100x better if they eradicated corruption, at least to as far as they can. Lastly, yes there is corruption elsewhere including the UK but it is not tolerated or accepted and the people found guilty face the justice system so please stop making such silly comments and get real. Lastly, yes there is corruption elsewhere including the UK but it is not tolerated or accepted and the people found guilty face the justice system so please stop making such silly comments and get real. ?? So when is 'call me Dave' Cameron and the bankers going to be called to court? I'll tell you, never. The corruption in the police is hidden because they are clever enough to keep it inhouse. Have you ever read UK newspapers? There have been policemen charged with corruption, it is wellknown around certain places that businesses make payments to the police to overlook unlawful things that are going on. So nobody really needs to get real, and their has been no silly comments. Well known that people pay off the police? As a percentage of all the police in the UK, how many are part of this well known payment system? Since u made the accusation, I am curious to your figure. I don't know, I only know what I hear. and what I read in the papers. and as you accuse me of making an accusation when it is only an opinion based on what I have heard and read, we will end this debate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai at Heart Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 No "high risk of corruption" here. 100% certainty. Can all the people who talk about Thai corruption honestly say they have not participated in any way? No point in being hypocritical about this, if there is any sort of corruption that's going to benefit you, then carry on and don't complain about it. Corruption in the UK is worse, ie the government and the banks, the big difference is that the UK politicians are much cleverer and better educated than the Thai politicians, and can therefor use it for themselves and get away with it. How many can say they've never been to Nana Plaza, Pattaya or Pat Pong(they wouldn't exist without foreigners participating in corruption). Or bought a pirate DVD from Pathip plaza. How many are moaning about corruption whilst typing on a computer without a genuine Windows???? Look forward to maybe 1 poster saying he is not corrupt in any way. So much hypocrisy. Corruption in the UK is worse! Go and have a good lie down, what a ridiculous thing to say.. I have never paid police tea money but I have been forced to here, I know I can call the police in the UK and they come and help,not here. Corruption is so rampant here you see it everywhere you go from top to bottom and yet everyone turns a blind eye. It destroys society, ruins economies and gives the "corrupt" elite even more power. By the way, i am not corrupt. I dont want to participate in any form of corruption, I have left working for a company because the corruption was so engrained you could not function without getting involved.. So, dont judge yourself by your own low standards. Thailand would be 100x better if they eradicated corruption, at least to as far as they can. Lastly, yes there is corruption elsewhere including the UK but it is not tolerated or accepted and the people found guilty face the justice system so please stop making such silly comments and get real. Lastly, yes there is corruption elsewhere including the UK but it is not tolerated or accepted and the people found guilty face the justice system so please stop making such silly comments and get real. ?? So when is 'call me Dave' Cameron and the bankers going to be called to court? I'll tell you, never. The corruption in the police is hidden because they are clever enough to keep it inhouse. Have you ever read UK newspapers? There have been policemen charged with corruption, it is wellknown around certain places that businesses make payments to the police to overlook unlawful things that are going on. So nobody really needs to get real, and their has been no silly comments. Well known that people pay off the police? As a percentage of all the police in the UK, how many are part of this well known payment system? Since u made the accusation, I am curious to your figure. I don't know, I only know what I hear. and what I read in the papers. and as you accuse me of making an accusation when it is only an opinion based on what I have heard and read, we will end this debate. You claimed it was well known that police in the UK police take bribes. Hardly true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpkt8 Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 Dear PM Prayut, Please solve the long standing issue of public transport system in Chiang Mai. Chiang Mai could have been a much better and beautiful city to live in, if not because of the public transport system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard W Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 How many are moaning about corruption whilst typing on a computer without a genuine Windows???? Most (all?) of the Mac users for starters. (Typed with out use of a Mac, genuine Windows or pirate Windows.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tuanku Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 Transparency International, yes remember when ti was created 22-years ago in Germany at which time I questioned the who is who involved in the creation and who did pay for the big cars like Mercedes they were tooling around in and the big Havana cigars they were smoking, sure did p%<s them off resulting in me being placd on their blacklist. Transparency International and Amnesty International both in the same league of the none-NGOs referring to themselves as NGOs and there are lots of them if you care to do some in-depth searching. So they don't have a point when they rate Thailand as "high risk for graft"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tuanku Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 No "high risk of corruption" here. 100% certainty. Can all the people who talk about Thai corruption honestly say they have not participated in any way? No point in being hypocritical about this, if there is any sort of corruption that's going to benefit you, then carry on and don't complain about it. Corruption in the UK is worse, ie the government and the banks, the big difference is that the UK politicians are much cleverer and better educated than the Thai politicians, and can therefor use it for themselves and get away with it. How many can say they've never been to Nana Plaza, Pattaya or Pat Pong(they wouldn't exist without foreigners participating in corruption). Or bought a pirate DVD from Pathip plaza. How many are moaning about corruption whilst typing on a computer without a genuine Windows???? Look forward to maybe 1 poster saying he is not corrupt in any way. So much hypocrisy. I think you are confusing theft and corruption Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnniey Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 So 1 poster says he's not corrupt yet doesn't answer the question I asked about ever being to Nana or Panthip Plaza. I assume all the rest are corrupt to some varying degrees. If, so stop moaning about it and saying it is wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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