TheRoadWarrior Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Im very seriously considering the RC390 now that the price has become reasonable! will service be any good? who knows... probably not... its thailand will they be in stock and ready to purchase? who knows 5555 but 209k (for the rc390) is WAY better than the crazy pricing they were asking before! also the new 250cc models are exactly the same everything as the 390 models except with a sleeved down engine... 31hp instead of 44hp, but thats still very very good for a 250 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutchbike Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 A few months back I rode a couple of hundred km's with a RC 390 and liked it a lot, it looks different then other bikes in it's class, and it ride is very good. One thing what was a bit annoying was the almost non stop blowing fan, an issue what (after reading some tests around the world) even appears in cooler European countries, not sure it runs that hot or the fan ( termostate) is set to start at a small increase of temp. This new RC 390 price is really tempting and we might see more on Thai roads,just a bit strange: a price drop from 215K to 209K last time I checked it was 259K, who's the new importer? I wouldn't be worried about service, it's just a simple single cylinder engine, DIY maintenance is not that hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papa al Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 The 250 has a sleeved down engine from 390? Who the hell would want that? Don't need no stinking sleeve, mon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papa al Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 DB, See you as more of a Duke guy than RC? Badass street-fighter, no? Somewhat bad ass. Rowdy at least. Grips a bit higher? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nikster Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 WOW!!! That's amazing. This is basically the same price as the USA MSRP! A Duke 390 for 200k!! Retail in USA is $5,000. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRoadWarrior Posted November 30, 2015 Author Share Posted November 30, 2015 One thing what was a bit annoying was the almost non stop blowing fan, an issue what (after reading some tests around the world) even appears in cooler European countries, not sure it runs that hot or the fan ( termostate) is set to start at a small increase of temp. yes the 390s seem to have an overheating issue from what ive skimmed on some forums.... i think there are some preventative cures for it though This new RC 390 price is really tempting and we might see more on Thai roads,just a bit strange: a price drop from 215K to 209K last time I checked it was 259K, who's the new importer? the graphic has a typo for the previous price... it was 259k before... other dealers using a correct image Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRoadWarrior Posted November 30, 2015 Author Share Posted November 30, 2015 The 250 has a sleeved down engine from 390? Who the hell would want that? Don't need no stinking sleeve, mon. As Visordown predicted, KTM has revealed 250cc versions of its Duke and RC models, joining a line-up that already includes the 125cc, 200cc and 375cc ‘390’ machines. We revealed the new bikes’ existence last week, and many of you were a little surprised that the firm would opt to sleeve-down its bigger 375cc ‘390’ engine to create a 250 when there’s already a 200cc version based on the smaller 125cc engine in the single-cylinder range. The answer lies in Japanese regulations. Over in Japan, bikes above 250cc need to take the viciously expensive shaken test every two years – the equivalent of our MoT but much tougher and costlier. That creates a significant market for bikes just under the 250cc mark, and it’s enough to justify the creation of the 250cc Duke and RC models despite the fact there’s already a 200 in the range. It’s likely the 250 may also be offered in other countries where licence or tax regulations favour sub-250cc bikes, but don’t expect to see it sold in the UK. The 250s make 31hp, 13hp less than the 390. The exact capacity is 248.8cc, with a bore and stroke of 72mm x 61mm. Despite having the same bore as the 200, the engine itself is based on the 390 motor, which has different castings. Presumably the 200, which is already based on the smaller 125, couldn’t be stretched to 250cc. Capacity aside, the RC and Duke models are identical to the existing 390 in every way, with the same chassis and suspension. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Issanman Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 KTM Thailand RC 250 page: LINK KTM Thailand Duke 250 page: LINK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bramds Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 A few months back I rode a couple of hundred km's with a RC 390 and liked it a lot, it looks different then other bikes in it's class, and it ride is very good. One thing what was a bit annoying was the almost non stop blowing fan, an issue what (after reading some tests around the world) even appears in cooler European countries, not sure it runs that hot or the fan ( termostate) is set to start at a small increase of temp. This new RC 390 price is really tempting and we might see more on Thai roads,just a bit strange: a price drop from 215K to 209K last time I checked it was 259K, who's the new importer? I wouldn't be worried about service, it's just a simple single cylinder engine, DIY maintenance is not that hard. New importer is Vespa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ktm jeff Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 The new importer , or lower import taxes , may have been one reason for this much needed price reduction , but i cant help wondering if its not a result of the much improved competition from Ducati , Benelli and Triumph. Wonder how many customers KTM have lost over this. Perhaps not as many as when they turned down Ewan and Charlie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
properperson Posted July 14, 2016 Share Posted July 14, 2016 (edited) Edited July 14, 2016 by properperson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ardokano Posted July 14, 2016 Share Posted July 14, 2016 The 250 has a sleeved down engine from 390? Who the hell would want that? Don't need no stinking sleeve, mon. 250 KTM do it i think for japan market or simular where 250 its step for up taxes or etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DLang Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 The 250 has a sleeved down engine from 390? Who the hell would want that? Don't need no stinking sleeve, mon. 250 KTM do it i think for japan market or simular where 250 its step for up taxes or etc. Incorrect about Japan. The Japanese classes for motorcycle taxation and licensing are 50cc-124cc, 125cc-399cc, 400c+ The tax system and licensing system are the same for both bikes and their owners. I was there 2 weeks ago. The 250cc version is sold at 184k baht, the 390cc is 196k baht. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ardokano Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 (edited) The 250 has a sleeved down engine from 390? Who the hell would want that? Don't need no stinking sleeve, mon. 250 KTM do it i think for japan market or simular where 250 its step for up taxes or etc. Incorrect about Japan. The Japanese classes for motorcycle taxation and licensing are 50cc-124cc, 125cc-399cc, 400c+ The tax system and licensing system are the same for both bikes and their owners. I was there 2 weeks ago. The 250cc version is sold at 184k baht, the 390cc is 196k baht. DELETED 250cc Engine No physical inspection or tests, ever. The registration process for a 250cc or under motorcycle is to purchase Jibaiseki hoken. With it you get a registration sticker for the bike. You can buy more than 1 year at a time and I believe up to 5 years. The cost is around ¥9,250 for 1 year, ¥14,000 for 2 years ( insert cost for 3yrs & more here ) Nini hoken - this is optional but really as pointed out above, every rider should buy it. Without Nini hoken you could end up with huge costs if you are involved in an accident. Jibaiseki hoken is limited in how it is applied and what it can pay out. The rider would be liaible for anything above that limit. Not a good idea to risk it. Vehicle Tax ( Jidosha Zei ) - is an annual tax applied at April 1st each year. The tax SHAKEN For vehicles larger than 250cc, a biyearly (every other year) inspection must be done. This is called SHAKEN (ŽÔ). The main cost components of shaken is the mandatory insurance (JIBAISEKI HOKEN) and weight tax (JYUURYOUZEI). These, plus a few miscellaneous fees can come to as low as about 35,000yen. However, in order to get the bike to pass the rather picky inspection, a lot of work might be required. Or at least required in the eyes of the bike shop (more work means more yen for them). It seems average costs are about 70,000 yen, but you can probably do it for much less by doing it yourself. See the section on SHAKEN below. Like the mandatory liability insurance, the shaken transfers with a vehicle (and is often a selling point: "comes with shaken good until next January"). Since a 250cc bike is the largest bike that doesn't require this, 250cc is the most popular size. Tax and some another think as allowed driving different for 125-250 an 250+ Edited July 15, 2016 by seedy flaming Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ardokano Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 (edited) DELETED Again.. In Japan different taxing for less 250 and over 250 cc So KTM do well job give model with 250.. If you say its incorect please give proof. other way PLEASE You do not write about what you do not know whether to give people a wonderful forum TV false information. Edited July 16, 2016 by seedy bickering Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DLang Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 Actually it's like a MOT, first one isn't due for 3 years, then 2 years again after that. Motorcycle licensing is the main issue in Japan, for above 400cc. It's why you see sleeved down Ninja 650's and Ducati Monsters down to 400cc. The sleeved down Ninja 650's (down to 399cc) were strongly rumored to be released in Thailand about 3 years ago. Thank God Kawasaki Thailand saw sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ardokano Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 (edited) Actually it's like a MOT, first one isn't due for 3 years, then 2 years again after that. Motorcycle licensing is the main issue in Japan, for above 400cc. It's why you see sleeved down Ninja 650's and Ducati Monsters down to 400cc. The sleeved down Ninja 650's (down to 399cc) were strongly rumored to be released in Thailand about 3 years ago. Thank God Kawasaki Thailand saw sense. If you want talk about usability bike can open topic. But i guess my think about KTM 250 and Japan market it almost true.. Japan market it sweet market for bike industry.. And japanes like good bike and can calculate.. so 250 it good target for KTM.. And it very good came from 390 engine.. PS Kawa give ninja 300 and in previose 250.. follow money thinks..i still thinks this bike good for beginer start study sport type bike. but its faar away from sport bike.. and not realy comfort in city not enough for speedway.. 250-300 kawa smoked even from duke 200 in traficc bangkok.. duke 200 not far from scooter. R3 kawa 300 smoked from rc390 in speedway and in mountans.. still think KTM do well job then make 250... Edited July 15, 2016 by ardokano Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fullcave Posted July 17, 2016 Share Posted July 17, 2016 Hmmm.. R3 kawa 300 smoked from rc390 in speedway and in mountains? Besides the factory supplied tires being upgraded on both the ninja and the R3 they are still pretty much the same bikes they were back in 2015. Personally, though I don't like the sound of thumpers, there is no way in hell that the R3 or Kawa 300 "smoke the rc390" with exception to driver incompetence.. One downside on the rc390, however, will be the cost of maintenance, aftermarket parts availability, and distance to service center locations. Still, that is very competitive pricing so an absolute consideration. However, unless I change my mind I'm going for an R3 once the new colors are released next month. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ardokano Posted July 17, 2016 Share Posted July 17, 2016 (edited) Hmmm.. R3 kawa 300 smoked from rc390 in speedway and in mountains? Besides the factory supplied tires being upgraded on both the ninja and the R3 they are still pretty much the same bikes they were back in 2015. Personally, though I don't like the sound of thumpers, there is no way in hell that the R3 or Kawa 300 "smoke the rc390" with exception to driver incompetence.. One downside on the rc390, however, will be the cost of maintenance, aftermarket parts availability, and distance to service center locations. Still, that is very competitive pricing so an absolute consideration. However, unless I change my mind I'm going for an R3 once the new colors are released next month. exception to driver incompetence. Yes I am beginner in motoworld. Sure can say i am incompetence RIDER But also sure i do not want be driver competence or not ... Bike for me its fun.. but back to topic... you give video.. 2.33 - KTM most powerful .... and best for track..( mountans road as track ) 9.02 ktm ... bigest and faster.. perfomanse right And something more about.. And from some comparison review: “This thing is going to embarrass some riders on 600s.” Anyone who wants to know how a sportbike should handle can find out by riding an RC390. As you can see, there are any number of reasons why the KTM wins this comparison. It’s the fastest, best equipped, and the most capable sportbike. once the new colors are released next month. " Few my GF buy the car because the color suited to the color of the dress or shoes, bags You already got blue bags? Edited July 17, 2016 by ardokano Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
properperson Posted July 19, 2016 Share Posted July 19, 2016 (edited) With ABS as standard, WP USD forks, WP rear shock, Brembo brakes, gear indicator, Pirelli Rosso Corsa tyres as standard, ultra light (30kg lighter than a Ninja 300 and a whopping 55 kg's lighter than a Honda 500X), very quick for it's size (0-100km/h in 5 sec) corners like it's on rails and looks sharper than a John Bonham drum solo - The Duke 390 at 199,000, is a shure fire "game changer" in my book: Edited July 19, 2016 by properperson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ardokano Posted July 19, 2016 Share Posted July 19, 2016 With ABS as standard, WP USD forks, WP rear shock, Brembo brakes, gear indicator, Pirelli Rosso Corsa tyres as standard, ultra light (30kg lighter than a Ninja 300 and a whopping 55 kg's lighter than a Honda 500X), very quick for it's size (0-100km/h in 5 sec) corners like it's on rails and looks sharper than a John Bonham drum solo - The Duke 390 at 199,000, is a shure fire "game changer" in my book: 390 shield 2.jpg Thats what about i am talking.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Grumpy Posted July 19, 2016 Share Posted July 19, 2016 Be aware of the optimistic name... the engine is 373cc, not 390. Nice torquey engine, 35Nm and as light as a feather. Probably the best city bike available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fullcave Posted July 19, 2016 Share Posted July 19, 2016 once the new colors are released next month. " Few my GF buy the car because the color suited to the color of the dress or shoes, bags You already got blue bags? Absolutely, no matter resale will be affected if you go with last years color scheme regardless of when you buy. Actually, I prefer last years colors but that's beside the point. Bags for a sports bike? The nearest KTM dealership is 120km north of me but just the same I'll have a look before I make up my mind. Still a bit of a ride for a service. btw - Thanks for the feed back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ardokano Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 (edited) once the new colors are released next month. " Few my GF buy the car because the color suited to the color of the dress or shoes, bags You already got blue bags? Absolutely, no matter resale will be affected if you go with last years color scheme regardless of when you buy. Actually, I prefer last years colors but that's beside the point. Bags for a sports bike? The nearest KTM dealership is 120km north of me but just the same I'll have a look before I make up my mind. Still a bit of a ride for a service. btw - Thanks for the feed back. No ofence. About color it was joke. But about smoke not;) Near 4 sec from 0 to 130 it is a huge its smooooooked. And 3 sec from 100 to 130 on Thai highway its even not smoked its not chance to see at day when huge car and evry time speed down - up.. Why you buy bike? For fun?? RC give much more then R3.. For evry day- DUKE more useful.. And stil smoked in highway.. 120 km Ahh it to small price for better bike;) I got filling you need more how look bike.. not how to ride.. Please thinks one more time;) Near me even not have Dealer now. But I think about DUKE 390 as city bike PS Not thinking its can be sport if can smoked from beginer on cruiser;) But Yes bags.. backpack ets... Edited July 20, 2016 by ardokano Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
denkiblue555 Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 With ABS as standard, WP USD forks, WP rear shock, Brembo brakes, gear indicator, Pirelli Rosso Corsa tyres as standard, ultra light (30kg lighter than a Ninja 300 and a whopping 55 kg's lighter than a Honda 500X), very quick for it's size (0-100km/h in 5 sec) corners like it's on rails and looks sharper than a John Bonham drum solo - The Duke 390 at 199,000, is a shure fire "game changer" in my book: 390 shield 2.jpg Yes - I agree with the game changer comment. Very good news for the market here in LOS, and if it is popular hopefully that will encourage more models and competition. Off topic, but it's a shame the Duke390 doesn't quite have the specs (or the power) of their EXC350 Enduro which is street legal in many markets (this one with street wheels): Personally, I think a KTM EXC500 sumo would be a great bike for LOS although it is about 150%+ more than the RC390. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
denkiblue555 Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 The 250 has a sleeved down engine from 390? Who the hell would want that? Don't need no stinking sleeve, mon. 250 KTM do it i think for japan market or simular where 250 its step for up taxes or etc. Incorrect about Japan. The Japanese classes for motorcycle taxation and licensing are 50cc-124cc, 125cc-399cc, 400c+ The tax system and licensing system are the same for both bikes and their owners. I was there 2 weeks ago. The 250cc version is sold at 184k baht, the 390cc is 196k baht. DELETED 250cc Engine No physical inspection or tests, ever. The registration process for a 250cc or under motorcycle is to purchase Jibaiseki hoken. With it you get a registration sticker for the bike. You can buy more than 1 year at a time and I believe up to 5 years. The cost is around ¥9,250 for 1 year, ¥14,000 for 2 years ( insert cost for 3yrs & more here ) Nini hoken - this is optional but really as pointed out above, every rider should buy it. Without Nini hoken you could end up with huge costs if you are involved in an accident. Jibaiseki hoken is limited in how it is applied and what it can pay out. The rider would be liaible for anything above that limit. Not a good idea to risk it. Vehicle Tax ( Jidosha Zei ) - is an annual tax applied at April 1st each year. The tax SHAKEN For vehicles larger than 250cc, a biyearly (every other year) inspection must be done. This is called SHAKEN (ŽÔ). The main cost components of shaken is the mandatory insurance (JIBAISEKI HOKEN) and weight tax (JYUURYOUZEI). These, plus a few miscellaneous fees can come to as low as about 35,000yen. However, in order to get the bike to pass the rather picky inspection, a lot of work might be required. Or at least required in the eyes of the bike shop (more work means more yen for them). It seems average costs are about 70,000 yen, but you can probably do it for much less by doing it yourself. See the section on SHAKEN below. Like the mandatory liability insurance, the shaken transfers with a vehicle (and is often a selling point: "comes with shaken good until next January"). Since a 250cc bike is the largest bike that doesn't require this, 250cc is the most popular size. Tax and some another think as allowed driving different for 125-250 an 250+ What are you on about Ardokano??? Like the previous poster said, Japan is all about 400cc and up bikes for taxes and extra costs. There is no licence whatsoever for bikes 250cc and up, which leads most motorcyclists to simply choose the biggest bike they like in their licence category. Even if it's 'cheaper' to own a 250cc, I never heard a single comment about anyone buying a 250 because they have no "shaken". I would also argue that 50cc bikes are easily the most popular in terms of volume (just think of all the delivery scooters) because they can be ridden with a valid car licence (form memory?). It's well known that the Japanese regulations created the 400cc category for many bikes such as the CB400, CBR400RR, ZXR400, ZZR400, GSXR400, SR400 et al. I have a Japanese <400cc bike and a car licence, but are now expired. Sorry to go off on a tangent - this thread is about the very nice bang-for-buck factor of all the KTM 200 - 390 bikes here in LOS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ardokano Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 What are you on about Ardokano??? Like the previous poster said, Japan is all about 400cc and up bikes for taxes and extra costs. There is no licence whatsoever for bikes 250cc and up, which leads most motorcyclists to simply choose the biggest bike they like in their licence category. Even if it's 'cheaper' to own a 250cc, I never heard a single comment about anyone buying a 250 because they have no "shaken". I would also argue that 50cc bikes are easily the most popular in terms of volume (just think of all the delivery scooters) because they can be ridden with a valid car licence (form memory?). It's well known that the Japanese regulations created the 400cc category for many bikes such as the CB400, CBR400RR, ZXR400, ZZR400, GSXR400, SR400 et al. I have a Japanese <400cc bike and a car licence, but are now expired. Sorry to go off on a tangent - this thread is about the very nice bang-for-buck factor of all the KTM 200 - 390 bikes here in LOS please read carful you like what saide DLang "The Japanese classes for motorcycle taxation and licensing are 50cc-124cc, 125cc-399cc, 400c+ The tax system and licensing system are the same for both bikes and their owners." so what i say wrong? i you " never heard a single comment about anyone buying a 250 because they have no "shaken"" Its not mean tax sistem it SAME.. or you say its same 372cc and less 250 cc? i give proof and you do not refute the fact that there is a difference? i say In Japan different taxing for less 250 and over 250 cc is true or not? Have" shaken"? DLang say no difference.. againe KTM i think make 250 cc for Japan or SIMULAR MARCKET WHERE HAVE Tax and some another think as allowed driving different for 125-250 an 250+ where i was wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papa al Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 "Near 4 sec from 0 to 130 it is a huge its smooooooked. And 3 sec from 100 to 130 on Thai." Wow, doing the math, that is 0 to 100 in 1 sec. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedghog Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 I was considering buying the 390 Duke. Unfortunately the amount of complaints regarding overheating in traffic,low speeds,knocked the idea on the head. Not ideal for the Thai climate,was my conclusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DLang Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 "Near 4 sec from 0 to 130 it is a huge its smooooooked. And 3 sec from 100 to 130 on Thai." Wow, doing the math, that is 0 to 100 in 1 sec. You just don't understand his 'math'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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