UK expats for EU exit

[buddy]

One fact is 100% certain.Voting to "stay in " is not voting for the status quo. More Federalism, Economic integration and massive migration will come in the future. The NO campaign needs to emphasise this. Because the EU monster is growing every year!

All those are true plus continued EU Human rights abuses on top of that the EU tries very very hard to hide -

Please read this - http://capx.co/how-the-eu-starves-africa-into-submission/

Edited March 12, 2016 by buddy

[buddy]

Only bigots want to leave the EU

You're not European are you, your attitude sounds like it. Ok I am a bigot then i want to leave, just to get The things back my grandfather fought for,in the first world war . Freedom of speech, democracy , things like, that not a dictatorship.

[buddy]

Leave?, we should be running the show.

27 EU Commissioners against 1 British, not a chance to run the show as we are always outvoted.

Britain has apposed EU rules 72 times and "lost 72 times"......Britain has no influence in the EU and it will get worse when Turkey join the EU.

http://www.voteleavetakecontrol.org/lord_lawson_s_chatham_house_speech_the_case_for_brexit

[buddy]

Leave?, we should be running the show.

27 EU Commissioners against 1 British, not a chance to run the show as we are always outvoted.

Britain has apposed EU rules 72 times and "lost 72 times"......Britain has no influence in the EU and it will get worse when Turkey join the EU.

http://www.voteleavetakecontrol.org/lord_lawson_s_chatham_house_speech_the_case_for_brexit

[buddy]

The case for the UK leaving seems appealing at first but it's deeply flawed. I'm not sure whether voters who say they want to leave realize the implications. Yes, the UK frequently contributes more to the EU than it gets out (10bn Euros more in 2013) but if the UK left the EU and still wanted to remain in the European Free Trade Association (EFTA) like Switzerland and Norway, it would still have to pay.

It's a big assumption that voters would be okay with paying for EFTA membership if they had no say over the rules. Trade with the EU would certainly drop but membership dues wouldn't, would that be okay with the electorate? There are so many questions that economists need to attempt to answer. Far more information is needed if Britons are to make an informed choice. It's scary that the vote is so soon and so little is known or understood.

Britain will prosper outside of the EU straight jacket.

Please read this prize winning publication - http://www.iea.org.uk/publications/research/the-iea-brexit-prize-a-blueprint-for-britain-openness-not-isolation

After you have read the publication ask yourself why the Pro-EU British Prime Minister silenced the author of the publication ?

http://reason.com/blog/2014/04/11/british-diplomat-silenced-after-winning

[buddy]

On the bright side for all of us, whichever side is supported, the campagn has not even begun in real terms. My Electoral Office, in a reply to a query on my postal vote, informed me there will be a 17 day 'lead in' to the referendum.

I assume, this is when the campaing becomes 'official' with TV programmes, debates, (adds?) etc will really begin. After all, the 'leave' side campaing group has not yet been formally endorsed by the EC, as there are at least two. I assume this will then give them equal access to TV, radio, money etc as the 'remain' side.

I do notice now the rush to get the immigrant fllood issue resolved and off the front pages of the newspapers. Sheer con-incidence I'm sure.

Looking forward to the end of May when the campaign really gets going!. It really is a problem for me. The selfish part worries about future exchange rates etc, but equally I must consider the best interests of my home country.

By the way, I've lived abroad too long obviously. I have no idea who Ant and Dec are. I know who David Backham is, as my daughter swoons over him.

This is the EU.

If Britain stays in it will have the designation "EU Region 7" applied to it by the unelected, unaccountable, can't vote out EU overlords in Brussels...bye, bye old blighty!

[buddy]

The U.K. Has now agreed to give £500 million to Turkey in an agreement to manage the economic migration crisis, this is the same amount successive governments have been unable to find to cover the cost of unfreezing taxpayers pensions. In addition Cameron wants to give Turkey and it's 75,000,000 access to the tax payed NHS,while at the same time denying Ex-pats who Have paid into the system,unless these ex-pats are prepared to pay the full cost of treatment plus 50%. Does't it make you proud to be British.

Would be intersting to know ,

what are the stats, for UK tax payers , committing suicide , God bless you both. RIP.

Social Security scroungers , and economical refugees , UK is the place 2B.

Ant and Dec , the way forward .

Nearly 120 BILLION pounds IN ONLY 5 YEARS went overseas to the EU.

No auditors have signed of the EU accounts for 20 consecutive years because the EU is so corrupt.

[TommyUK1960]

The bet I want to lose. I put my bet that we would be staying in the corrupt EU dictatorship as soon as Cameron announced the referendum.

You just have to look at the bigger picture. Voters to stay in come from the likes of Ex-Pats in Europe, The British youth, Companies enjoying cheap East European Labour, People believing the scare stories and media propaganda (Don't forget the BBC and Sky get funding from Brussels). Then to make sure we stay in the vote rigging.

I have made sure I can vote and I will be voting to leave. I can hope.

[uptheos]

Ant and Dec are two small Geordies who appear on tv as presenters, to the best of my knowledge they cannot sing, dance or do magic although they do appear to smile a lot. For this they sem to be paid an enormous amount of money, amazing! What the General Pubic sees in them is beyond me but they will have their ear when the time comes, just dont ask them what they think of EU, they will probably think is a new band.

For those waiting on pensions then I think the amount, which has recently been reduced due to the exchange rate should be aware there is likely to be more turmoil coming up to the vote on 23rd June, I expect the £ to go down in the days leading up to and it may well continue afterwards as well. Its not good news either way. If the vote is to stay in, then the Euro and the £ will start to rise again, so if its your pension that worries you and whats in the bank you should vote to stay in.

Whatever the outcome, its not likely that we will see too many of the results in our lifetimes, so if you going to vote for out, then the world you wish for will take time to be become clear if it will appear at all, you would be voting for future generations who you think will be better off outside the EU, a vote for the country rather a vote for your pocket.

No one knows what the future holds, in either camps, events appear that change directions and no one saw them coming, if we could predict the future we would all be rich.

Its a gamble either way, if we leave are we sure we can strike up the trade deals that will ensure our success, will London remain the global centre it is today, will be be better off outside the EU with our own democracy, laws, borders and security?

If we stay in what will the EU have in store for us now we shown doubt in their master plans? Will we be treated differently and if so how differently? What direction will the EU now go in, the one we think we voted for a different one, one we were not made aware of.

I look at Turkey, next to Syria, holding the EU to ransom to get into the EU, only about 10% of the country is actually in Europe and yet they are muscling there way in, another 75 million people who could be heading for the UK and we would be powerless to stop them ( not likely I grant you). Istanbul would then be Europes largest city.

I look at the EU members and wonder how is it right that everyone has an equal vote, Malta, Lithuania and Estonia have the same voting rights as the UK and Germany etc when they cash input is nil or thereabouts, here is where its difficult to make decisions so the un-elected EU beaurocrats get away with what they want taking it in the direction they want rather than what the peoples want.

We are the 3rd biggest trading nation in the world its what we have done for years, we will not suddenly stop trading but we might be able to do it better on our own with some EU folk doing it for us in their own way and their own time.

We would still be in the UN and on the security council and regain our seat on the WTO, still be members of the G8 G20 and NATO, does not sound to bad to me.

There is always a lot of talk about our trade with the EU, it would be in both sides interests to strike a deal, a lot of jobs depend on it on both sides, but, we must also remember that 90% of British companies do not deal with the EU as well but still have to adhere to their directives and laws.

The USA sells far more to the EU than we do, they dont pay anything into the coffers for the privilege either, they have their own deal

Security would still be linked up whether we are in or out, the notion put about by some that all co operation would cease is simply not true, its in all our interests to keep in touch and updated as to whats going on.

Having said all that I am for out and I doubt anybody is going to show me something that is going to change my mind, similarly there will be many out there who feel its right to stay in and nothing I say or show you will change your mind, that I understand, you see when ti comes down to it we have a "gut" feeling about everything and which way it draws us, we have had several decades to stiffen that position as well..

Now I look with interest on the bookies odds and on the popularity of the Government and Cameron for the latest numbers now that the show is on the road, theres a long way to go and the gun has yet to fired officially yet!

I usually go by the big three who are 30/100 stay in and 9/4 to leave.

Not that you could have a bet anyway because as we all know, gambling

is illegal in Thailand,

[buddy]

When I want an idea of the likely result of an election, referendum, contest etc I've always found that the betting is an excellent yardstick. At the moment Betfair is suggesting a 65-75% turnout (which surprises me as most of us don't know what's best) and staying IN is a strong 4-9 favourite, with more than £2m already gambled!

Unfortunately you are probably correct. The younger generation will vote to remain in, as they have been indoctrinated into thinking there is no alternative. Added to parts of the electorate who do not understand the implications of this referendum and cannot comprehend how the EU will evolve over the next few years.

It will be interesting to see how the British will think,when in a further short period of time, they come to realise how they've been deceived once again.

The EU was founded on lies.

How do you think a trading block named the EEC morphed into a political union renamed the EU that achieved foreign rule over Britain without the British populations consent?

Unfortunately you maybe right about about Britain younger generation as the EU has infiltrated the British establishment to the point where they now have classroom 'European studies" which promotes the EU and EU Monnet professors litter British Universities pushing the EU propaganda.

http://theconversation.com/jean-monnet-chair-we-have-every-right-to-engage-in-debates-on-europe-45509

http://www.ukip.org/eu_subverting_uk_education_as_ukip_reveals_eu_funded_university_professors

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/10/02/farage-for-breitbart-universities-are-rife-with-eu-propaganda-join-my-campaign-against-it/

Just like Religion, get em when they are young!

[buddy]

jadee, on 26 Dec 2015 - 11:04, said:

The case for the UK leaving seems appealing at first but it's deeply flawed. I'm not sure whether voters who say they want to leave realize the implications. Yes, the UK frequently contributes more to the EU than it gets out (10bn Euros more in 2013) but if the UK left the EU and still wanted to remain in the European Free Trade Association (EFTA) like Switzerland and Norway, it would still have to pay.

It's a big assumption that voters would be okay with paying for EFTA membership if they had no say over the rules. Trade with the EU would certainly drop but membership dues wouldn't, would that be okay with the electorate? There are so many questions that economists need to attempt to answer. Far more information is needed if Britons are to make an informed choice. It's scary that the vote is so soon and so little is known or understood.

jadee a few points for you to consider.

1. Where were the economists is 2008 ? Economists are part of the problem not part of the solution.

2. The UK is a net importer. Any arguments regarding trade is a red herring. If the UK was a net exporter those arguments would have some leverage.

3. The EU as a trading block is in decline. Some will say that decline is terminal. That may be true or it may not. It is time to sort out our own trade agreements without interference.

4. If the UK's current membership fees are 12 Billion, do you really think that equates to a free trade agreement.

I made this point yesterday on another thread. A Governments responsibility is to the people who elect them, not business's. This is what the EU has morphed into, a club for big business. The actual, real, everyday people get next to nothing as part of the EU.

Just my humble observations, which I am sure will not be agreeable with everyone. I am more than happy to be educated to the contrary.

Spot on Sgt Rock.

Please read this - http://www.iea.org.uk/publications/research/the-iea-brexit-prize-a-blueprint-for-britain-openness-not-isolation

[buddy]

The Tsunami of scaremongering has started -

[nong38]

Ant and Dec are two small Geordies who appear on tv as presenters, to the best of my knowledge they cannot sing, dance or do magic although they do appear to smile a lot. For this they sem to be paid an enormous amount of money, amazing! What the General Pubic sees in them is beyond me but they will have their ear when the time comes, just dont ask them what they think of EU, they will probably think is a new band.

For those waiting on pensions then I think the amount, which has recently been reduced due to the exchange rate should be aware there is likely to be more turmoil coming up to the vote on 23rd June, I expect the £ to go down in the days leading up to and it may well continue afterwards as well. Its not good news either way. If the vote is to stay in, then the Euro and the £ will start to rise again, so if its your pension that worries you and whats in the bank you should vote to stay in.

Whatever the outcome, its not likely that we will see too many of the results in our lifetimes, so if you going to vote for out, then the world you wish for will take time to be become clear if it will appear at all, you would be voting for future generations who you think will be better off outside the EU, a vote for the country rather a vote for your pocket.

No one knows what the future holds, in either camps, events appear that change directions and no one saw them coming, if we could predict the future we would all be rich.

Its a gamble either way, if we leave are we sure we can strike up the trade deals that will ensure our success, will London remain the global centre it is today, will be be better off outside the EU with our own democracy, laws, borders and security?

If we stay in what will the EU have in store for us now we shown doubt in their master plans? Will we be treated differently and if so how differently? What direction will the EU now go in, the one we think we voted for a different one, one we were not made aware of.

I look at Turkey, next to Syria, holding the EU to ransom to get into the EU, only about 10% of the country is actually in Europe and yet they are muscling there way in, another 75 million people who could be heading for the UK and we would be powerless to stop them ( not likely I grant you). Istanbul would then be Europes largest city.

I look at the EU members and wonder how is it right that everyone has an equal vote, Malta, Lithuania and Estonia have the same voting rights as the UK and Germany etc when they cash input is nil or thereabouts, here is where its difficult to make decisions so the un-elected EU beaurocrats get away with what they want taking it in the direction they want rather than what the peoples want.

We are the 3rd biggest trading nation in the world its what we have done for years, we will not suddenly stop trading but we might be able to do it better on our own with some EU folk doing it for us in their own way and their own time.

We would still be in the UN and on the security council and regain our seat on the WTO, still be members of the G8 G20 and NATO, does not sound to bad to me.

There is always a lot of talk about our trade with the EU, it would be in both sides interests to strike a deal, a lot of jobs depend on it on both sides, but, we must also remember that 90% of British companies do not deal with the EU as well but still have to adhere to their directives and laws.

The USA sells far more to the EU than we do, they dont pay anything into the coffers for the privilege either, they have their own deal

Security would still be linked up whether we are in or out, the notion put about by some that all co operation would cease is simply not true, its in all our interests to keep in touch and updated as to whats going on.

Having said all that I am for out and I doubt anybody is going to show me something that is going to change my mind, similarly there will be many out there who feel its right to stay in and nothing I say or show you will change your mind, that I understand, you see when ti comes down to it we have a "gut" feeling about everything and which way it draws us, we have had several decades to stiffen that position as well..

Now I look with interest on the bookies odds and on the popularity of the Government and Cameron for the latest numbers now that the show is on the road, theres a long way to go and the gun has yet to fired officially yet!

I usually go by the big three who are 30/100 stay in and 9/4 to leave.

Not that you could have a bet anyway because as we all know, gambling

is illegal in Thailand,

Just like prostitution does not exist in the eyes of the broille, I am sorry braille.

Edited March 12, 2016 by nong38

[nong38]

The Tsunami of scaremongering has started -

No more entrance to the Eurovision Song contest or Its a knockout. Still want to vote out?

[elliss]

These EU corporate puppets want people to vote to stay in the EU so, that should be enough reason to vote OUT! [ Quote ]

EU, Corporate puppets , that sums up most UK politicians .

tared with the same brush , financial gain.

We are in the eleventh hour , groomed and doomed into fear, by our democratic leaders , ha ha.

, Make the only logical decision , for the future of our Country .

OUT of the EU. asap.

Edited March 12, 2016 by elliss

[nong38]

Another big boost for Brexit comes from that all smiling knock about prat from Chicago the one and only Borat Obama who nails his colours to the EU "in" post along with that ever popular loud mouthed bully boy from Doncaster with the posh non Yorkshire accent, yes it Jeremiah Clarkson who also declares himself for the EU, some people dont know when to keep their traps shut lest they put both feet in it at the same time.

Edited March 14, 2016 by nong38

[evadgib]

The Public perhaps need reminding that Clarkson lives on the IoM which is neither EU or UK!

Edited March 14, 2016 by evadgib

[elliss]

The Public perhaps need reminding that Clarkson lives on the IoM which is neither EU or UK!

The Big Mouth bore , lives off shore .

What , is tax . ?

Edited March 14, 2016 by elliss

[Celer et Audax]

In an article that has just appeared in the Daily Express tonight for us, about who is eligible to vote in the EU referendum it is is claimed that, voters in Cyprus and Malta will all have a vote, as will Gibraltar. Also residents in the UK from over 54 Commonwealth countries will also be eligible, inc Pakistan and Nigeria, Australia and Canada.

The same goes for Irish residents in the UK, how has that been allowed?

It's the same people as vote in parliamentary elections. The right to vote is based on being, or having been, a Commonwealth citizen resident in the UK. The UK has chosen to ignore the fact that the Republic of Ireland has left the Commonwealth, and has not really come to terms with the existence of the border.

I lived in the ROI for 12 years before moving to Thailand and the same voting rights were accorded to me as a British Citizen that are given to Irish citizens living in the UK which are as follows

Local elections and any elections or referendums relating to Europe but doesn't include voting in a general election

[nontabury]

In an article that has just appeared in the Daily Express tonight for us, about who is eligible to vote in the EU referendum it is is claimed that, voters in Cyprus and Malta will all have a vote, as will Gibraltar. Also residents in the UK from over 54 Commonwealth countries will also be eligible, inc Pakistan and Nigeria, Australia and Canada.

The same goes for Irish residents in the UK, how has that been allowed?

It's the same people as vote in parliamentary elections. The right to vote is based on being, or having been, a Commonwealth citizen resident in the UK. The UK has chosen to ignore the fact that the Republic of Ireland has left the Commonwealth, and has not really come to terms with the existence of the border.

I lived in the ROI for 12 years before moving to Thailand and the same voting rights were accorded to me as a British Citizen that are given to Irish citizens living in the UK which are as follows

Local elections and any elections or referendums relating to Europe but doesn't include voting in a general election

And how many Brits live in the ROI,then compare that figure with the No of Irish citizens living in the UK. Personally I would be very happy if this so called arrangement was put to bed.

[nontabury]

In an article that has just appeared in the Daily Express tonight for us, about who is eligible to vote in the EU referendum it is is claimed that, voters in Cyprus and Malta will all have a vote, as will Gibraltar. Also residents in the UK from over 54 Commonwealth countries will also be eligible, inc Pakistan and Nigeria, Australia and Canada.

The same goes for Irish residents in the UK, how has that been allowed?

It's the same people as vote in parliamentary elections. The right to vote is based on being, or having been, a Commonwealth citizen resident in the UK. The UK has chosen to ignore the fact that the Republic of Ireland has left the Commonwealth, and has not really come to terms with the existence of the border.

I lived in the ROI for 12 years before moving to Thailand and the same voting rights were accorded to me as a British Citizen that are given to Irish citizens living in the UK which are as follows

Local elections and any elections or referendums relating to Europe but doesn't include voting in a general election

Just read an article were it stated that citizens of the ROI,have only recently been knocked of their position as the largest group of immigrants into the UK.

So now all these immigrants,none UK citizens will be entitled to vote in the referendum,yet many UK citizens will be excluded. Is this a stitch up?

[nong38]

It does make you wonder how it was arrived at as to who would be allowed to vote in the UKs EU referendum, all sorts of people who are not UK nationals apparently can mark the paper, its does make you wonder if they were selected as likely "IN" voters, silly me thought it would just be people on the UK Electoral roll.

I do also wonder if there is an "EXIT" vote if the Government will accept the result or squirm about looking for a way out and declare it nul and void, you see I have become somewhat cynical about the way politicians behave, the way they treat the voters and I am not sure I trust "our lot" much more than the "Brussels Brigade"

As far as the polls and Bookies are concerned the drift seems to be towards and "Exit" at the moment, long way to go of course but it looks like demographics are going to play a part, the "Exit" supporters seem far more likely to turn out and vote than the "Inners" Demographically its seems like anyone over 40 is likely to vote for an "Exit" whilst anyone younger is likely to keep the status quo, the younger voters might like to go down the pub, better option than the polling station, its "Curry Night!" Leave it someone else, the PM says we will stay in so maybe its not my problem, think I fancy that curry and a few bevis!!

[evadgib]

I guess here is as good a place as any to post this:

Electoral law

Edited March 18, 2016 by evadgib

[elliss]

IDS. has resigned from the cabinet , his conscious , will not allow the drastic benefit cuts,

The non earners , non income taxpayers , aka , as the lame and lazy ,

at the expense , of those who have the ability , to earn a taxable income .

Socialism , come to mind , surely a vote catcher , for the those on SS benefits .

However , maybe there is a hidden agenda .

Ian Duncan Smith , will rise from the ashes to lead a Brit exit , from the EU .

David Cameron , reeks of <deleted> , Politcal aliies .

[nong38]

There does seem to be some dirty dealing going on here, it appears that what was first in the budget about welfare cuts was going to be looked at again and finally dropped, all after the budget, does not seem like a planned budget to me, surely they could see that its not right to hit the disadvantaged to pay for the better off to have a tax cut, it hard to justify.

Osborne may have blown his leadership aspirations with this cock up, no doubt many will be wheeled in to prop up Ossie and point at IDS in the same way as the IN /OUT debate has seen "stars" telling us to do what they would do.

The BBC has been taken to task for bias interviewing of prop Euro voices, more than twice as much time given to the remain group as to the leave, what a surprise, good job we can make up our minds.

[emilymat]

The resignation of IDS has really knocked off the other main story about the NHS funding. It would appear that the head of NHS told the government that the 'shortfall' for funding this year was going to be around 18 billion pounds. The government then twisted his arm to reduce his figure to around 7 billion. (Think those figures are correct, using memory from the discussion on the Andrew Marr show.)

The deal, imposed upon him, appears to be, if he reduced his figure to the lower one, then the government would announce it had 'met the needs of the head of NHS in regard to funding requirements"

As regards the BBC bias in a previous post, this may or may not be. We need to remember that the official 'referendum campaign' has not yet started. It'sscheduled to last about 7 weeks if my electoral office are to be believed. That ofcourse is when 'air time' etc will be closely monitored.

We are only in the initial skirmishes at present with everyone 'jockeying for position' before the official start gun is fired.

[i claudius]

The British bookies have raised the odds of a brexit , as more immegrants arrive and more bombings occure the odds will get shorter and shorter .

[emilymat]

The British bookies have raised the odds of a brexit , as more immegrants arrive and more bombings occure the odds will get shorter and shorter .

I think you are right. It seems very distasteful to link the Brussels and Paris bombings with the referendum and it hurts my heart to do so.

However, although these issues have nothing directly to do with the EU the fact is there are going to be more and more people, who have no strong views either way on the economics etc, to simply conclude to themselves "let's pull up the drawbridge". It's human nature.

I was in Birmingham city centre in the seventies when the pubs were bombed and also near that bus bombing in London (When the tubes were attacked). It is terrifying I can tell you.

[nong38]

I was at John Lewis when the bomb went off in the shop, a bomb also went off at the assembly point, it does focus the mind somewhat and on the 7th July tube/bus bombings I was coming out as they went off, that was when I set my retirement date.

You just have to try and be aware of whats going around you, something does not look right what are you going to do about it?

[elliss]

I think you are right. It seems very distasteful to link the Brussels and Paris bombings with the referendum and it hurts my heart to do .. quote .

Stayers in the EU. will gain votes , from the recent bombings,

A united EU front is vital against the IS. terrorist murderers .

Wait till the IS have Nuke capability, spend now.

The departure of EU border controls ,uncontrolled terrorist movements,

beyound believe .

Queen Angela , invited and supported , our sworn enemies , whose mission is to kill us.

Hitler , we knew he was , our admitted enemy ,

at least they had the guts/ pride to wear uniforms .

Edited March 23, 2016 by elliss