US $1.83 billion arms sales for Taiwan draws China's ire

[LawrenceChee]

What's the Chinese equivalent word for kamakaze...

...anyone....?

Regardless and frankly speaking, the Chinese don't fight because they can't. Just don't see how they could believe Americans would be cowards. Americans get called a lot of things, but cowards is a new one on me.

More reckless than cowards .....reckless is the apt word for the actions displayed so far as the thought process is never through enough and long term

Presidents come and go in 4 years and everyone wants to be remembered ...the quality of the recent ones except Obama has been disappointing

Happy New Year

[LawrenceChee]

The Taiwanese and Chinese announced an upgraded hotline yesterday , a result of more talks and diplomacy ...

This upgraded hotline is aimed at preventing misunderstandings of each other's actions and statements and useful in downplaying any potential flare ups initiated by dumb acts like this arm sales

I hope talk continues ....the military industry is one of those where I have no prayers for expansions or booming record revenue / bonuses

We need more peace and talks not smarter bombs

[Publicus]

The hotline which has been in the news is an excellent step but it is not a state to state hotline, i.e., country leader to country leader. Because of CCP overbearing intransigence, the hotline is between each ministry's head of cross-strait relations. Still, it is a step in the right direction if handled well in the coming period of radical change of relations.

KMT government of Prez Ma Ying-jeou remains irresponsbily silent on the renewed civic expressions that Ma publicly assure a smooth transition of governments after the Jan 16 ge in the interest of national security. This is of a great national security importance because constitutionally the next president will not assume the office until May 20th.

Civic groups on Taiwan want Mao Ma to follow the model of the United States in guaranteeing that, if the DPP wins the presidency, then on the day after a full security report must be given to the president-elect. That would be Tsai Ing-wen, the DPP candidate who in the final public poll before the voting, released Thursday, remains well ahead of the KMT and the PFP parties.

Former National Security Bureau director Ting Yu-chou (丁渝洲) discussed the potential for a constitutional crisis because of the four-month period between the Jan. 16 presidential election and the swearing in of the next president. Looking at the issue from a national security perspective, Ting said that there must be no discontinuity in national security and advocated following the precedent set by other democracies

http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/9652d026-6412-11e4-8ade-00144feabdc0.html?siteedition=intl#axzz3w4x2dRl2

In the final publicly publishable poll results, the dominant polling firm Taiwan Indicator Survey Research stated its findings in the contest for president:

Tsai Ing-wen, Democratic Progressive Party:: 40.1%

Eric Chu, Kuo Min Tang (Nationalist Party): 17.5%

James Soon, People First Party::................ 16.8%

In the strangely configured and skewed-formula contest for the unicameral (single body) Taiwan National Legislature,

DPP:: 33.8%

KMT:: 21.5%

PFP:: 6.1%

In his final new year address, Prez Mao Ma went OTT by calling on voters to reject the "scortched earth diplomacy" he said was in the offing if the DPP wins the presidency. Tsai Ing-wen dismissed Ma's hysteria by saying she'd never used any such term and has never said anything that would suggest any such policy.

During the new year's celebration in a Taipei park that included the national anthem, Ms Tsai maintained her stance by not singing the words "my party" because it refers to the KMT which wrote the song during the 1930s. KMT at that time adopted the KMT party song as the national anthem.

DPP articulates for many Taiwanese who object to the KMT party song as the national anthem because it includes the following words:

Three Principles of the People,
The fundament of our party.

Using this, we establish the Country for the People

DPP and many Taiwanese also object to the CCP imposed "National Banner Song" which is played instead at international events such as the Olympic Games. In place of the words above, the CCP imposed Banner Song has:

Daughters and sons of Emperors Yan and Huang count as heroes of East Asia!

Further glorify our nation and work towards harmony!

Creating the nation is difficult, so remember our founders!

So it's the old CCP line about "harmony" and the "harmoneous society," meaning of course the comatose society ruled absolutely by the CCP. And Taiwanese are tired of having two national anthems played on the island, For instance, each morning schools assmble their students beginning with the two national songs.

Yesterday's editorial in the Taipei Times advised the voters as follows,

While the rest of the world was welcoming a new year, the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) is not only trying to keep China locked in the party’s fairy-tale nightmare, but also to convince the rest of the world of the truth of its lies.

Taiwanese voters have a chance to make even a stronger protest against Beijing and Chinese President Xi Jinping’s efforts to intimidate them and foment jingoistic patriotism among the Chinese — at the ballot boxes on Jan. 16.

It is an opportunity they should not ignore. They should be under no illusion that the repression and state-sanctioned abuse that have been happening in Xinjiang and Tibet could not happen here

http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/editorials/archives/2016/01/02/20036362

As national security expert Christian Fan Jiang of Taiwan noted yesterday.....

The “1992 consensus” refers to a tacit understanding between the KMT and the Chinese Communist Party that both sides of the Taiwan Strait acknowledge there is “one China,” with each side having its own interpretation of what “China” means.

Former KMT lawmaker Su Chi admitted in 2000 making up the term when he was head of the Mainland Affairs Council.

http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/taiwan/archives/2016/01/02/2003636254

Taiwan resolves to resist China’s embrace

Hong Kong is a cautionary tale for Taipei: this is what happens if you get too close to Beijing

http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/9652d026-6412-11e4-8ade-00144feabdc0.html?siteedition=intl#axzz3w4x2dRl2

Edited January 2, 2016 by Publicus

[LawrenceChee]

Taiwan and HK folks are not dumb .....they are Chinese by DNA

They are happy to do business deals with the mainland as they know it's dumb to ignore the worlds second economy next door and yet want a little of democracy in the side

The fence sitters would know this is already happening every day in real life. There's not much to change to be honest

[tonbridgebrit]

Given Ms. Tsai’s repeated vows to maintain the “status quo” in the Taiwan Strait, as well as her commitment to engaging China constructively and “with sincerity,” Beijing would be shooting itself in the foot if, come May 20, it suddenly “collapsed” dialogue with Taipei, a decision that could only succeed in propelling Taiwan away from China and undo eight years of normalization that, by almost every yardstick, were politically beneficial to Beijing.

Notwithstanding the [CCP Taiwan Affairs Office’s] rhetoric and the more extremist elements in the CCP who would choose to act on its threats, we can therefore expect that Beijing will act pragmatically in the initial phase of a Tsai administration, during which it would assess her commitment to dialogue and continuity (keen on improving Taiwan’s moribund economy, Ms. Tsai knows all too well that unduly alienating the world’s second-largest economy and Taiwan’s No.1 trading partner is not a viable policy).

http://chinadigitaltimes.net/2015/12/189624/

"[beijing would be shooting itself in the foot if, come May 20, it suddenly “collapsed” dialogue with Taipei, a decision that could only succeed in propelling Taiwan away from China and undo eight years of normalization that, by almost every yardstick, were politically beneficial to Beijing.]"

I do have a smirk over this article trying to be funny by mentioning Beijing shooting itself in the foot.

YES, Beijing has spent EIGHT YEARS carrying out policies that benefit Taiwan because they've got a hidden agenda. No prizes for thinking that the benefits are not for free, we all know that Beijing (and the USA as well) gives away nothing for free. Off-course, the policies have included: removal or reduction of tariffs and taxes (and any other barriers) on Taiwanese goods entering mainland-China (this boosts Taiwan's exports to China, making Taiwan more dependent on China), encouraging a flood of Chinese tourists to enter Taiwan, and a wall of money being used to purchase real estate in Taiwan. Off-course, all this is being done to tie Taiwan's economy with mainland-China, hence, it discourages any declaration of independance. We all know, that's why they've done this. And indeed, it's been politically beneficial to Beijing. And indeed, undoing the last eight years of work will propel Taiwan away from China.

BUT, but Taiwan itself going down the road of independence means that Taiwan is itself propelling away from China.

And notice "(keen on improving Taiwan’s moribund economy, Ms. Tsai knows all too well that unduly alienating the world’s second-largest economy and Taiwan’s No.1 trading partner is not a viable policy)."

WELL YES, alienating or making Beijing angry is NOT a viable policy !

Yes, China is the world's second largest economy, and YES, mainland-China is Taiwan's number one trading partner. Taiwan does more trade with mainland-China than any other place on planet earth. NOT a viable policy ? Correct, it's not a viable policy, Taiwan's economy is not viable without mainland-China. We all know that.

[tonbridgebrit]

Taiwan and HK folks are not dumb .....they are Chinese by DNA

They are happy to do business deals with the mainland as they know it's dumb to ignore the worlds second economy next door and yet want a little of democracy in the side

The fence sitters would know this is already happening every day in real life. There's not much to change to be honest

And yes, Hong Kong and Taiwan have already got freedom of expression, freedom of religion, and other freedoms too. Both places need mainland-China, their economies have benefitted enormously because of China. What is the point of declaring or wanting more independence ? There isn't a point.

That Umbrella thing in Hong Kong last year. The media massively exaggerated how big it was. So, sometimes, over 100,000 people were part of the demonstration ? Look, Hong Kong has 7.3 million people, all of them were free to be part of the demonstration. And only about 100,000 took part at the biggest days ? If one million or two million took part, and they did it for three or four days, then yes, Beijing would have taken notice, it would have been a big deal then !!!

[Publicus]

 

Given Ms. Tsai’s repeated vows to maintain the “status quo” in the Taiwan Strait, as well as her commitment to engaging China constructively and “with sincerity,” Beijing would be shooting itself in the foot if, come May 20, it suddenly “collapsed” dialogue with Taipei, a decision that could only succeed in propelling Taiwan away from China and undo eight years of normalization that, by almost every yardstick, were politically beneficial to Beijing.

Notwithstanding the [CCP Taiwan Affairs Office’s] rhetoric and the more extremist elements in the CCP who would choose to act on its threats, we can therefore expect that Beijing will act pragmatically in the initial phase of a Tsai administration, during which it would assess her commitment to dialogue and continuity (keen on improving Taiwan’s moribund economy, Ms. Tsai knows all too well that unduly alienating the world’s second-largest economy and Taiwan’s No.1 trading partner is not a viable policy).

http://chinadigitaltimes.net/2015/12/189624/

"[beijing would be shooting itself in the foot if, come May 20, it suddenly “collapsed” dialogue with Taipei, a decision that could only succeed in propelling Taiwan away from China and undo eight years of normalization that, by almost every yardstick, were politically beneficial to Beijing.]"

I do have a smirk over this article trying to be funny by mentioning Beijing shooting itself in the foot.

YES, Beijing has spent EIGHT YEARS carrying out policies that benefit Taiwan because they've got a hidden agenda. No prizes for thinking that the benefits are not for free, we all know that Beijing (and the USA as well) gives away nothing for free. Off-course, the policies have included: removal or reduction of tariffs and taxes (and any other barriers) on Taiwanese goods entering mainland-China (this boosts Taiwan's exports to China, making Taiwan more dependent on China), encouraging a flood of Chinese tourists to enter Taiwan, and a wall of money being used to purchase real estate in Taiwan. Off-course, all this is being done to tie Taiwan's economy with mainland-China, hence, it discourages any declaration of independance. We all know, that's why they've done this. And indeed, it's been politically beneficial to Beijing. And indeed, undoing the last eight years of work will propel Taiwan away from China.

BUT, but Taiwan itself going down the road of independence means that Taiwan is itself propelling away from China.

And notice "(keen on improving Taiwan’s moribund economy, Ms. Tsai knows all too well that unduly alienating the world’s second-largest economy and Taiwan’s No.1 trading partner is not a viable policy)."

WELL YES, alienating or making Beijing angry is NOT a viable policy !

Yes, China is the world's second largest economy, and YES, mainland-China is Taiwan's number one trading partner. Taiwan does more trade with mainland-China than any other place on planet earth. NOT a viable policy ? Correct, it's not a viable policy, Taiwan's economy is not viable without mainland-China. We all know that.

The post says nothing about democracy on Taiwan if there might be a unification of the mainland and the island under the CCP Dictators in Beijing.

The post says nothing about unification and freedom of speech, freedom of press/media, freedom of religion, academic freedom, free and fair elections or voting, anti-freedom censorship as practiced on the mainland, rule of law, justice and jurisprudence, a constitution and constitutionalism, parliamentary democracy vs dictatorship.

Recall that the CCP Dictators in Beijing had promised Hong Kong would remain status quo for 50 years after its reversion to Chinese sovereignty in 1997. Yet in 2002 it tried to change the HKG school curriculum to teach that the CCP one party state is the ideal state of affairs for Hong Kong too. That turned out to be a bust for the CCP Dictators becuase of strong and vocal opposition by Hong Kongers.

CCP has stated it will make HKG into just another CCP city. It is trying to erode universal suffage by determining who voters get to choose from among candidates for public office.

If a discussion of political economy is also beyone one's' grasp, that would be okay too.

[tonbridgebrit]

 

The post says nothing about democracy on Taiwan if there might be a unification of the mainland and the island under the CCP Dictators in Beijing.

The post says nothing about unification and freedom of speech, freedom of press/media, freedom of religion, academic freedom, free and fair elections or voting, anti-freedom censorship as practiced on the mainland, rule of law, justice and jurisprudence, a constitution and constitutionalism, parliamentary democracy vs dictatorship.

Recall that the CCP Dictators in Beijing had promised Hong Kong would remain status quo for 50 years after its reversion to Chinese sovereignty in 1997. Yet in 2002 it tried to change the HKG school curriculum to teach that the CCP one party state is the ideal state of affairs for Hong Kong too. That turned out to be a bust for the CCP Dictators becuase of strong and vocal opposition by Hong Kongers.

CCP has stated it will make HKG into just another CCP city. It is trying to erode universal suffage by determining who voters get to choose from among candidates for public office.

If a discussion of political economy is also beyone one's' grasp, that would be okay too.

Publicus, I'm trying to say that the people of Hong Kong, THEY don't really care about Beijing controlling them or trying to control them. THEY know that they've still got their freedom of this, and freedom of that.

Okay, so Beijing tried to do something to change the school curriculum in Hong Kong. The attempt failed, so Hong Kong IS able to choose stuff for itself.

The living proof that most people in Hong Kong don't care, IS, is that only a small percentage of the people turned out to demonstrate alongside the Umbrella thing. If YOU want to criticise PEOPLE because they have chosen NOT to support the Umbrella, well, that's up to you. I just don't like it when the media makes it look as if most people in Hong Kong supported the Umbrella thing. They simply DID NOT.

[Publicus]

 

The post says nothing about democracy on Taiwan if there might be a unification of the mainland and the island under the CCP Dictators in Beijing.

The post says nothing about unification and freedom of speech, freedom of press/media, freedom of religion, academic freedom, free and fair elections or voting, anti-freedom censorship as practiced on the mainland, rule of law, justice and jurisprudence, a constitution and constitutionalism, parliamentary democracy vs dictatorship.

Recall that the CCP Dictators in Beijing had promised Hong Kong would remain status quo for 50 years after its reversion to Chinese sovereignty in 1997. Yet in 2002 it tried to change the HKG school curriculum to teach that the CCP one party state is the ideal state of affairs for Hong Kong too. That turned out to be a bust for the CCP Dictators becuase of strong and vocal opposition by Hong Kongers.

CCP has stated it will make HKG into just another CCP city. It is trying to erode universal suffage by determining who voters get to choose from among candidates for public office.

If a discussion of political economy is also beyone one's' grasp, that would be okay too.

Publicus, I'm trying to say that the people of Hong Kong, THEY don't really care about Beijing controlling them or trying to control them. THEY know that they've still got their freedom of this, and freedom of that.

Okay, so Beijing tried to do something to change the school curriculum in Hong Kong. The attempt failed, so Hong Kong IS able to choose stuff for itself.

The living proof that most people in Hong Kong don't care, IS, is that only a small percentage of the people turned out to demonstrate alongside the Umbrella thing. If YOU want to criticise PEOPLE because they have chosen NOT to support the Umbrella, well, that's up to you. I just don't like it when the media makes it look as if most people in Hong Kong supported the Umbrella thing. They simply DID NOT.

Here's a quote by a Hong Konger about support of the Umbrella Movement and HKG democracy...

One reason I think the black shirt campaign was brilliant is that you can now visually check public opinion by looking around you. This *kills* the silent majority argument.

https://www.quora.com/Do-most-Hong-Kongers-support-the-recent-protesters-Sept-2014

And here's a report of what really is great news for democracy in HKG.

‘Umbrella Soldiers’ win seats in Hong Kong local elections

Hong Kong, November 23, 2015

Young supporters of Hong Kong's democracy movement, known as 'Umbrella Soldiers', took seats in the city's first vote since mass street protests, but pro-Beijing forces dominated the polls in a key test of public sentiment.

While a new generation of pro-democracy campaigners unexpectedly won a handful of seats, the balance of power remained largely the same, thanks to a better-funded and better organised pro-Beijing camp, analysts said.

http://www.tribuneindia.com/news/world/-umbrella-soldiers-win-seats-in-hong-kong-local-elections/161931.html

It is difficult to overcome existing political machines anywhere. CCP from the 1997 outset rigged the constituencies that elect reps to the legislative council, so the balance of the outcome is always predictable, i.e., pro-CCP. The election result of two months ago does show the strong popular movement for democracy occurring in HKG.

The lesson for Taiwan is well known on Taiwan. It is that the CCP in the 1992 Hong Kong agreement guaranteed no change to HKG democracy for 50 years. CCP lied. CCP lies. And CCP does much worse. I do not support CCP. I oppose CCP. In HKG and in Taiwan. I support the Umbrella Movement in HKG and the Sunflower Revolution in Taiwan.

[LawrenceChee]

The likes of the Umbrella and the Sunflower protest happening in HK and Taiwan is a testament why common sense will prevail and the CCP had matured

The world have seen how the CCP tolerated the protests and did not interfere ; 20 years ago they learnt a hard lesson in Tiananmen which some critics including some in this forum has chosen to adopt a " never to forget or forgive " mentality which is regressive in nature

The CCP has shown they can do governance in a mature manner and in some ways if some western leaders were as tolerant and patient , we would have a better situation in the Middle East instead of the migrant crisis and the mess in Iraq

CCP have shown while being unpopular they are adept in adjusting their ways of governance and in many ways the current style doesn't resemble a communist government model at all

I like the ways of the west and I like what CCP is currently doing. They are not perfect and have in many ways adapted well to the challenges of managing 1.3 billion people who are not homogenous in nature

Edited January 3, 2016 by LawrenceChee

[LawrenceChee]

 

The post says nothing about democracy on Taiwan if there might be a unification of the mainland and the island under the CCP Dictators in Beijing.

The post says nothing about unification and freedom of speech, freedom of press/media, freedom of religion, academic freedom, free and fair elections or voting, anti-freedom censorship as practiced on the mainland, rule of law, justice and jurisprudence, a constitution and constitutionalism, parliamentary democracy vs dictatorship.

Recall that the CCP Dictators in Beijing had promised Hong Kong would remain status quo for 50 years after its reversion to Chinese sovereignty in 1997. Yet in 2002 it tried to change the HKG school curriculum to teach that the CCP one party state is the ideal state of affairs for Hong Kong too. That turned out to be a bust for the CCP Dictators becuase of strong and vocal opposition by Hong Kongers.

CCP has stated it will make HKG into just another CCP city. It is trying to erode universal suffage by determining who voters get to choose from among candidates for public office.

If a discussion of political economy is also beyone one's' grasp, that would be okay too.

Publicus, I'm trying to say that the people of Hong Kong, THEY don't really care about Beijing controlling them or trying to control them. THEY know that they've still got their freedom of this, and freedom of that.

Okay, so Beijing tried to do something to change the school curriculum in Hong Kong. The attempt failed, so Hong Kong IS able to choose stuff for itself.

The living proof that most people in Hong Kong don't care, IS, is that only a small percentage of the people turned out to demonstrate alongside the Umbrella thing. If YOU want to criticise PEOPLE because they have chosen NOT to support the Umbrella, well, that's up to you. I just don't like it when the media makes it look as if most people in Hong Kong supported the Umbrella thing. They simply DID NOT.

Spot On. In HK or Taiwan there will always be be a small population which will hate the CCP no matter what happens even if you grant a free vote , they would find something to critique. They are however as correctly pointed out by Tonbridgebrit a small minority

The vast majority are buying their playboy magazines and reading their Apple news channel with no interference to normal daily life ...I see the same Falungong protestors at Star Ferry Terminal almost every year I have been there ...so far no one has been arrested and they continue to put their gory pictures at the sidewalk spoiling appetites as I walk back to the Peninsula for some high tea

[Publicus]

The likes of the Umbrella and the Sunflower protest happening in HK and Taiwan is a testament why common sense will prevail and the CCP had matured

The world have seen how the CCP tolerated the protests and did not interfere ; 20 years ago they learnt a hard lesson in Tiananmen which some critics including some in this forum has chosen to adopt a " never to forget or forgive " mentality which is regressive in nature

The CCP has shown they can do governance in a mature manner and in some ways if some western leaders were as tolerant and patient , we would have a better situation in the Middle East instead of the migrant crisis and the mess in Iraq

CCP have shown while being unpopular they are adept in adjusting their ways of governance and in many ways the current style doesn't resemble a communist government model at all

I like the ways of the west and I like what CCP is currently doing. They are not perfect and have in many ways adapted well to the challenges of managing 1.3 billion people who are not homogenous in nature

Dr. Liu Jiaobo the 2010 Nobel Peace Award winner is still in prison in some cold and dank place in the frigid north of the CCP China because he advocates democracy in China.

Liu's chair at the Award ceremony was empty because the democrat was in prison on his 11-year sentence for openly advocating democracy on the mainland of China.

CCP censor the internet and punish rule breakers. CCP control all mass communications throughout the land. Taiwan wants nothing of this and will not accept this. Neither will the people of Hong Kong.

CCP threatens democratic Taiwan with war if it formally separates from the Dictatorship in Beijing. CCP Dictators demand Hong Kongers accept the list of candidates to vote for in HKG's first exercise of universal suffrage next year, 2017. If the CCP were confident about itself with the people, it would never as much as consider these requirements.

It would give Liu Jiaobo a medal instead of 11 years in prison.

China's Mandela Is Still in Jail

Like South Africa's Nelson Mandela, China's Liu Xiaobo is imprisoned for displeasing his country's rulers.

http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/world-report/2013/12/13/liu-xiaobo-chinas-nelson-mandela-is-still-in-jail

Edited January 3, 2016 by Publicus

[LawrenceChee]

Took a Long time for Mandela to be released and even today there is acute racism in the USA after all the prosecution of Martha Luther and his likes in their race to be equal

I don't doubt the good Dr would be out soon ....

Takes time and Chinese have time ....

[Publicus]

Took a Long time for Mandela to be released and even today there is acute racism in the USA after all the prosecution of Martha Luther and his likes in their race to be equal

I don't doubt the good Dr would be out soon ....

Takes time and Chinese have time ....

Who is Martha Luther?

(No problem actually as we know you are referring to the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. At least that's how I read it in context. One can do a connection to Martin Luther but pretty much only from history. Hey, I still have to double check many Chinese names for their transliteration to English. I'd also apologise for misspelling your name Lawrence a while back, which I'd been meaning to do and now finally get to. No reason for that one however.)

As to the post, you can't explain, justify or apologise for the CCP by criticising the United States. This is in fact always the CCP tactic when it is criticised for not being democratic, open, liberal, tolerant, diverse, free and the like. Always. You need to instead and directly to state and justify why you support CCP dictatorship to any extent for any period of time.

The 2010 Nobel Peace Laureate Dr. Lui Jiaobo, in prision for 11 years for advocating democracy in the CCP China is but the tip of the proverbial iceberg of oppression and surpression of dissent in CCP society, culture, civilisation. China itself has lived 5000 consecutive years of emperors/dictators with only a moment of relief introduced unsuccefully by Dr. Sun Yat Sen.

CCP preaches only it can rule China. That is its starting point in presenting a rationale for its censoring and punishing dictatorship. Well, that is just not a justification or rationale to impose its one party state dictatorship against Taiiwan. It is also not a justification or rationale for CCP to impose dictatorial control Hong Kong. Neither is big and sprawling, which is what the mainland is, and which is what CCP grabs hold of to say only dictatorship can rule over such a domestic empire of diverse ethnicities, regions, Chinese languages, peoples and so on.

Criticising the United States as some kind of defense or apology for the CCP just doesn't cut it. Defend dictatorship or do not defend it. Nevermind continuing challenges in the USA, which it is addressing in classic Western liberal terms, as a means to deflect from the cruel and massively corrupt dictatorship of the elite autocrats of the CCP.

[LawrenceChee]

I think the context is easy

China was not born a communist country but they are ...they have in the last thirty years managed to build up the infrastructure for the country , by and large manage the economy and now have good things going for them in the environmental context while changing their governance model from a communist state one to a mixture of all that works for a country this size and having 1.3 billion to care for

In many ways the American politics while looking like a democracy has been filled largely by families dynasties and political lobbying that stinks of capitalist elitism which I don't buy as the correct way to do things

However I won't call it a dictatorship or names as it is counter productive and rude in the context of a forum

We are just exchanging ideas on this platform and for me right now the CCP is the best governance for the Chinese ....maybe something better will come later but for now it's the best thing for the country

Edited January 4, 2016 by LawrenceChee

[LawrenceChee]

In any context I have not seen any politician who would lobby for a seat and then claim they are not the best ones who can govern the country

Even the idiot trump proclaims a lot of dumb ideas in a way like he thinks he is the only president who can make America great again ....if he wins like I said it would be the funniest day in politics for the world to watch a fumbling president represent 400 million Americans and that hair !!!

[LawrenceChee]

When I walk around in USA I don't see any classic western liberal terms in action , I see aging infrastructure in some towns , depleted middle class status and lots of families struggling with living and health costs with no solutions in sight by Politicians who love grand standing and TV show antics

[Publicus]

Still discussing the USA rather than to say how dictatorship in China (for 5000 years) under the CCP is the way to go for the present.

Does the present btw include dictatorship in China for the next 5000 years? Is there a road to democracy in China? Or is democracy more objectionable than dictatorship?

I'd guess the CCP fanboyz don't like the Nobel Peace Laureate Dr. Liu Jiaobo who is in a CCP prison because the rude loudmouth went around the CCP China advocating a peaceful evolutionary transition to democracy.

The past 30 years devised a hollow state and corporate economic growth that has had little return and now no return with deflation and gross overcapacity to boot. This is no example to Taiwan (or to Hong Kong) with their much smaller territories, populations and economics specialties.

How can one justify CCP thundering about war if Taiwan overtly declares sovereignty in addition to independence. What's wrong in Hong Kong with voters choosing their own candidates to vote for. CCP intends to provide an approved list only.

CCP fanboyz need to justify this to others across the world who originate and believe in parliamentary democracy. Fact is, you can't.

Edited January 4, 2016 by Publicus

[LawrenceChee]

The reasons why we discuss the rest of the world is simple

The CCP like everyone including myself have an opinion

As much as some posters want to spend their time bashing the CCP and why they are the worst in the world

The CCP is also critiquing the friendships of nations around the world and seeing which partnerships are long term and of mutual interest

The CCP in this regard respect the Japanese JIT technology a lot , the Scandinavian drive for environmental protection , the Singapore model for city planning , the Brits for their manners and traditions and the kiwis and Aussies for their agriculture excellence and so on and so forth

For the USA , while its a worthy trading partner , selling arms at a sensitive time like this when ties are going right between the straits and the presidential elections of Taiwan is happening is in laymans term is really bad timing and provocative for no real reason and not good for mutual ties

One can do a poll in Taiwan now in the streets of they feel at this moment there is impending danger of an invasion and the logical minded will give you a resounding no ....there is no reason to make this arm sale at this time

The only way for one to understand this would be if China starts selling it Long range ballistic missiles to Cuba just as the USA embassy reopens for ties recently ....you don't see them doing that right ?

In British terms it's inappropriate and hardly the right thing to do

I salute the Brits for that ...they know the protocol , traditions and sequence of events is important in today's ever changing world

[LawrenceChee]

If the past 30 years of economic development is hollow

Then amtrack is a doomed enterprise compared to the Chinese railway systems ...

Hollow indeed when one reviews some of the USA cities and it's backwards policies ...China has moved strides while the USA has regressed in some regards if you do a comparison

The USA have given the world in the last 30 years some unnecessary wars and regional security lapses and economic grief of banking collapses and market corrections , failed corporate corruptions and admirals in the military

Probably the only consistent good thing is McDonald's

Not a stellar performance for a first world nation if you rate it this way

[Publicus]

The reasons why we discuss the rest of the world is simple

The CCP like everyone including myself have an opinion

As much as some posters want to spend their time bashing the CCP and why they are the worst in the world

The CCP is also critiquing the friendships of nations around the world and seeing which partnerships are long term and of mutual interest

The CCP in this regard respect the Japanese JIT technology a lot , the Scandinavian drive for environmental protection , the Singapore model for city planning , the Brits for their manners and traditions and the kiwis and Aussies for their agriculture excellence and so on and so forth

For the USA , while its a worthy trading partner , selling arms at a sensitive time like this when ties are going right between the straits and the presidential elections of Taiwan is happening is in laymans term is really bad timing and provocative for no real reason and not good for mutual ties

One can do a poll in Taiwan now in the streets of they feel at this moment there is impending danger of an invasion and the logical minded will give you a resounding no ....there is no reason to make this arm sale at this time

The only way for one to understand this would be if China starts selling it Long range ballistic missiles to Cuba just as the USA embassy reopens for ties recently ....you don't see them doing that right ?

In British terms it's inappropriate and hardly the right thing to do

I salute the Brits for that ...they know the protocol , traditions and sequence of events is important in today's ever changing world

if China starts selling it Long range ballistic missiles to Cuba just as the USA embassy reopens for ties recently ....you don't see them doing that right ?

Absurd.

All these comparasons of putting missiles in Cuba, or Mexico or Bermuda or wherever near the USA are preposterous. Yet the far off people who love to engage in their fantasy do think the assinine [sic] comparasons are valid and clever besides.

Moreover, CCP know what happened in 1962 when Soviet Russia did begin placing missiles in Cuba. The USSR were the bad guys then and the CCP are the bad guys now. It is a plain and simple matter. If CCP Dictators thought they could place missiles in Cuba, they would do so, for sure. They cannot so any discussion of it is feeble.

CCP guarantees war if Taiwan formally declares sovereignty beyond its already existing independence. There always have been those on the island who wanted sovereignty, but for a long time they were few. Now there are many.

Taiwan is suddenly slipping out the the control of the CCP just when the Boyz thought they'd won it over without firing a shot. It is yet another CCP failure to accommodate, to meet half-way, to compromise; to accept and respect the wishes of others in the neighborhood and the world.

CCP are dictators with 5000 years of tradition behind them.

[Publicus]

If the past 30 years of economic development is hollow

Then amtrack is a doomed enterprise compared to the Chinese railway systems ...

Hollow indeed when one reviews some of the USA cities and it's backwards policies ...China has moved strides while the USA has regressed in some regards if you do a comparison

The USA have given the world in the last 30 years some unnecessary wars and regional security lapses and economic grief of banking collapses and market corrections , failed corporate corruptions and admirals in the military

Probably the only consistent good thing is McDonald's

Not a stellar performance for a first world nation if you rate it this way

You need to learn Lawrence that when the thread and topic are about CCP going into heat over the US sale of defensive weapons to Taiwan, Amtrak and the cities in the USA have nothing either way to do with it.

With 800+ missiles across the Strait pointed at Taiwan 24/7 and the bellicose open threats of war, those who cannot criticise the CCP for it must defend the CCP's howings. Or try to explain the CCP. And unless McDonald's is going to supply either side with burgers for the war then McD's has nothing to do with it either.

The CCP fanboyz need to focus on the principals and their actions-reactions, cause CCP are the ones who are yelping all about over this committment of military aid and assistance between two democrcies that will see the CCP to its end same as happened to the CCCP.

[LawrenceChee]

About to write something rude ....and then I remembered my manners

Almost like boarding school when the damn matron forces broccoli and insists its good for you ....its repressive when one keeps repeating the same views and insisting that's the only correct view of the Chinese

Strange ....not even Chinese to start with.

Edited January 4, 2016 by LawrenceChee

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There is a reduction in warheads pointing at Taiwan and its progression and results of talks

Edited January 4, 2016 by LawrenceChee

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There is a reduction in warheads pointing at Taiwan and its progression and results of talks

Mr Xi, take away all those warheads.

Tear down the internet Great Firewall.

Imagine living a life on Taiwan, an island country of 23 million people who every day face the malevolent designs of evil dictators who detest democracy, freedom and actual market economics. Taiwan is not the statellite state of the CCP that the states of eastern Europe were to the CCCP.

Taiwanese welcome the provision of US arms to assist the country in its neccessary defense.

As for this missile reduction.....

Therefore, when Xi allegedly told Ma during their meeting on November 7th that the missiles are not aimed at Taiwan, more than a few gave it a thumbs up for its comical value.

However, Xi’s argument is not completely new and the most hilarious one. In 2008, China’s Taiwan Affairs Office (TAO) argued that missiles are aimed only at separatists in Taiwan. In a recent piece for Taipei Times, former AIT director Stephen Young touched upon the missile issue (and Xi’s claim):

If Xi had offered a concrete proposal to reduce military deployments, particularly the forest of forward-deployed missiles across the Taiwan Strait, that would have been a real step forward. His disingenuous claim that these missiles are not aimed at Taiwan is simply laughable.

From a military perspective, it is not terribly difficult to prove Xi has us for fools.

http://www.ketagalanmedia.com/2015/11/20/why-removing-taiwan-strait-missiles-is-not-the-real-issue/

Edited January 4, 2016 by Publicus

[Publicus]

About to write something rude ....and then I remembered my manners

Almost like boarding school when the damn matron forces broccoli and insists its good for you ....its repressive when one keeps repeating the same views and insisting that's the only correct view of the Chinese

Strange ....not even Chinese to start with.

CCP.

As people know, that is the Chinese Communist Party.

Nothing and no one is above criticism and critique. And CCP is unpopular throughout the world and is rejected with its due contempt.

They want to possess and dictate to Taiwan and to turn Hong Kong into just another CCP city. Both of which mean dictatorship, censorship, punishment. CCP China is a vast social and cultural wasteland. It is politically castrated.

Very many people agree Chinese broccoli is fabulously delicious in its sauce. CCP is what comes out in the end.