The Carrot And The Stick - Permanent Residence

[samran]

Getting back on track. I'd still like to know what the ratio of applications to acceptance is. It would make it a lot easier for people to know their chances of passing and would allow them to make an informed choice about applying for PR.

I think any statistic you see would be redundant. It isn't a lottery, and as we have seen, the system is transparent, almost to a fastidious level where the documentatoin you provide has to be spot on.

As such I think there is a large element of self selection involved, with the main criteria being:

- Do I qualify?

- Do I want/need permanent residency?

- Am I prepared to apply? Documentation needs to be organised well in advanced.

- Am I willing to follow and shepard the process so that I don't get caught out part way though.

Given this, I think a majority of applicants will be successful, having been through the decision making process and then being prepared to apply in a manner which ensures mostly success.

[danone]

Youre quite right - comparatively speaking the Thai Baht and the comparative value of land based assets would allow foreigners to buy up whatever they wanted to and and price Thai citizens out of the running.

Tim

that nonsense myth is still not dead.

there are stinkingly rich people in thailand having control over much more money rich foreigners can dream of.

by keeping foreigners out the rich locals' money is worth even more, as prices are probably slightly lower than in a market competition environment.

those stinkingly rich thai people - you've seen what kind of cars are driving around here - just laugh at foreigners: keep them out but boast about their own villas and condos in london, paris, in the US ...

thats utter nonsense that foreigners would buy up the country.

[sabaijai]

ANYWAY, the topic at hand is PR etc.

I thought about applying for PR but the 95,000 baht fee for application put me off. I was foolish and didn't apply 10 years ago when it was 20,000 baht.

As a foreign woman married to a Thai national, you can apply directly for citizenship, without having to do PR first. Go for it ...

[Maizefarmer]

Youre quite right - comparatively speaking the Thai Baht and the comparative value of land based assets would allow foreigners to buy up whatever they wanted to and and price Thai citizens out of the running.

Tim

why doesn't this myth just die?

there are tons of stinkingly rich thai people hre with more money than average rich foreigners could dream of.

just some of these cars being driven here: with all the taxes added up money must be a non-issue for some of the cash-elite here.

by keeping the foreigners out they just secure themselves absolute leverage, whereas they all boast about their villas in london and so on. and keeping the foreigners out keeps the prices even lower for themselves! a successful catch 22.

regarding PR: true, the process is tiresome, but completly predictable. you see right from the start if you make the cut or not. no magic behind it, no corrupt process, no nothing.

What myth............ the proportion of Thai' in thi scountry who can afford to purchase property/homes on or at the same level of expensditure that foreigners could using Western incomes, is much much more than Thai's (or the average Thai) could afford to spend.

Sure, there are some very wealthy Thai's about - extremly wealthy - but no more so than you have wealthy people in the UK, USA or elsewhere in Europe - in fact proportionly speaking I 'd say the average Thai has a lot less buying power in Thailand than the average Westerner in his home country.

Buthaving said what I did, it was a bit tongue in cheek - I dont actually think that is the real reason as I dont think there would be so many foreigners who would want to invest in property here so much so that it woul dupset the market - except in places like Phuket or Pattaya, which already command prices that are way out of proportion to the rest of the country (excepting Bkk). I am more inclined to think it about nationalism i.e. keping Thailand Thai, not withstanding any financial consideration - much like people in Europe are becoming sick of the amount of immigrants settling there.

Tim

[lukamar]

I dont think there would be so many foreigners who would want to invest in property here so much so that it woul upset the market

Property laws in Thailand are not so much to protect Thailand from westerners but from wealthy Asians from Malaysia, Singapore,Hong Kong, Japan and Korea. Most of us westerners would be quite happy with our family and our small plot of land, if we could own it. Asians on the other hand like to diversify in property, lots of it, if they can get their hands on it because Asia is more populated and land is more sought after as a status symbol than in the west.

A few years before Hong Kong went back to China in 1997 there was a land boom in Vancouver, Canada. The wealthy of HK were worried about their wealth under the coming system and with British passports in hand they landed and bought everything that was available, houses, buildings and land. This drove the price up to incredible levels in some areas of the city and when they found out that there were no major changes in HK most went back selling their properties and causing a depressed market. If they were allowed to by in Thailand you would see a huge buy-up because it is easy to get on a plane and in a couple of hours from their home country be standing on their Thai property.

Personally, I would be happy to be allowed joint land ownership with my wife and in the event of a marital breakup be allowed to sell and split the sale proceeds.

[thedivezone]

ANYWAY, the topic at hand is PR etc.

I thought about applying for PR but the 95,000 baht fee for application put me off. I was foolish and didn't apply 10 years ago when it was 20,000 baht.

As a foreign woman married to a Thai national, you can apply directly for citizenship, without having to do PR first. Go for it ...

The 95000 Baht fee is NOT for application, you pay that only if and when you get issued PR.

Application is 7000odd baht, non-refundable .

[sbk]

ANYWAY, the topic at hand is PR etc.

I thought about applying for PR but the 95,000 baht fee for application put me off. I was foolish and didn't apply 10 years ago when it was 20,000 baht.

As a foreign woman married to a Thai national, you can apply directly for citizenship, without having to do PR first. Go for it ...

The 95000 Baht fee is NOT for application, you pay that only if and when you get issued PR.

Application is 7000odd baht, non-refundable .

OK,let me rephrase that whole sentence then

I thought about applying for PR but the 95,000 baht fee put me off esp when I can someday hope to get citizenship without needing it. I was foolish and didn't apply for it 10 years ago when it was 20,000 baht especially since I can't seem to find anyone in my province who knows how to do the naturalization procedure

Is that clearer?

[Maizefarmer]

SBK -TheDiveZone I dont think appreciated that you are a member of the fairer sex - as which for you the rules are a little different.

Tim

[sbk]

SBK -TheDiveZone I dont think appreciated that you are a member of the fairer sex - as which for you the rules are a little different.

Tim

Tim, if I were to apply for PR the fees would still be the same tho

It's always been a catch-22 for me, I don't need PR to get citizenship but I can't seem to find someone who can do the naturalization process for me where I live (according to what I have learned it must be done in the province in which my husband is registered). Short of moving, I am at a bit of a loss. I feel like I would be at least a bit more protected with PR but wish I had done it when it was far cheaper. 95,000 baht is excessive when I can get citizenship, someday

[sabaijai]

I know three American women who obtained Thai citizenship through their husbands, and all said it was a pretty straightforward process. One had to travel from Bangkok to Nakhon Phanom, where here husband's house registration was (or maybe it was his nat'l ID card, I forget). I believe it was a lot less expensive than PR, as I recall.

[sbk]

I know three American women who obtained Thai citizenship through their husbands, and all said it was a pretty straightforward process. One had to travel from Bangkok to Nakhon Phanom, where here husband's house registration was (or maybe it was his nat'l ID card, I forget). I believe it was a lot less expensive than PR, as I recall.

I think my next step is getting the Bangkok office to get in touch with the Surat Thani special branch police and telling them HOW to do it When we talked to the guy who was supposed to do it (in Surat) he said "Why did they send you to me? I deal with terrorists" And that was, most definitely, the right guy in the right office

[Maizefarmer]

Oh - they give terrorists Thai citizenship as well do they??? - joking.

He just wasnt interested in doing the job - or what was his explination?

Tim

[skippybangkok]

ANYWAY, the topic at hand is PR etc.

I thought about applying for PR but the 95,000 baht fee for application put me off. I was foolish and didn't apply 10 years ago when it was 20,000 baht.

As a foreign woman married to a Thai national, you can apply directly for citizenship, without having to do PR first. Go for it ...

So if a guy gets a cut and snip, does he qualify :D . Waow, just curious, if a cut and snip transvestite married a Thai guy, had already changes passport to female ( I think can do in some countries ), would he/she/it get a passport straight away.

lol

[Bkk_friend]

Hey guys and girls,

no panick: This only the FIRST lot of a total of 3 or 4 lots this year !!!!!!

The main lots are still pending decisionof the commission at the Immigration Bureau.

I must admitt that the way it is written on the web-site if TM is pretty confusing, but this info comes directly from there.

Would have been strange to have only chinese and indian being admitted wouldn't it?

Good luck

[thedivezone]

SBK -TheDiveZone I dont think appreciated that you are a member of the fairer sex - as which for you the rules are a little different.

Tim

I do know that SBK is a member of the fairer sex, Maizefarmer .

SBK, sorry for being such a stickler , but i do think 95000 Bht is not such a high price to pay (granted 20000 would have been a lot cheaper), but in the long run it's gonna save you some money in one-year extension fees ! All depends on how many years one expects to live, i guess.

Mike