Thai Govt. inform embassy about citizenship?

[hitzatak]

Hey guys!

I have a quick question. I come from a country that does not allow dual citizenship.

Want to apply for Thai citizenship (as my mother is Thai).

The thing I'm wondering is... If the Thai government would notify my embassy if I applied for the citizenship?

Otherwise I'd just go about my business with both citizenships without informing each other's govt.

[Richard W]

If 'your country' does not allow dual nationality, you have not renounced Thai citizenship and you are over 22, you may already lost the nationality of 'your country', for you already have Thai citizenship. Some countries penalise holding the passport of another country; that is different to merely holding its nationality. What is 'your country'? Some countries prohibit the voluntary acquisition of another nationality, but allow dual nationality as a consequence of someone inheriting the nationalities of both parents. Thailand is nominally such a country, though loss of nationality is at the discretion of the Thai government, and they generally do not deprive people of Thai nationality for voluntarily acquiring another nationality.

[hitzatak]

i hear what you're saying.

But my question was whether the Thai government informs my embassy once I apply for Thai citizenship (ID not passport).

If they don't - which I don't see why they would - then I can in theory run around with two citizenships without each other knowing...?

I just want benefits of a Thai person in Thailand darn-it!

[Eff1n2ret]

​​If your mother is Thai are you not de facto a Thai Citizen? - you don't have to apply for nationality.

If you search on this Forum on 'Acquiring Thai Nationality' you will find some helpful info which should clarify it for you. If you are overseas, you have to acquire a Thai Birth Certificate and thereafter a Thai passport from the Embassy. I've no idea whether the Thai Embassy in your "other" country would feel it necessary to inform the authorities of that country. However, you could bypass that by being entered on a house registration book and applying in person for an ID card at a district office in Thailand. If you are between the ages of 20 and 30 you could be called up for military service. I can't imagine that the amphur where you apply for your id card would even think about informing a foreign embassy.

[bkkvictor]

If he applies at his local district office does he still need a Thai birth certificate ?

[ubonjoe]

i hear what you're saying.

But my question was whether the Thai government informs my embassy once I apply for Thai citizenship (ID not passport).

If they don't - which I don't see why they would - then I can in theory run around with two citizenships without each other knowing...?

I just want benefits of a Thai person in Thailand darn-it!

They will not notify the embassy you have established your Thai nationality you already have. You are Thai by birth.

It may not matter to your home country. Some prohibit you from acquiring a 2nd nationality but allow you to have it if from birth.

You just need to establish your Thai nationality by getting a Thai birth certificate from the Thai embassy where you were born and then register yourself at an Amphoe to get a Thai ID number then be entered in a house book and get a Thai ID card. After that you can get a Thai passport.

You are eligible for one year extension of stay as a returning Thai national. You just need to provide proof your mother is Thai.

[Richard W]

​​If you are overseas, you have to acquire a Thai Birth Certificate and thereafter a Thai passport from the Embassy.

Can't Hitzatak just obtain a Thai birth certificate relating to his birth outside Thailand? If he's an Indian citizen, obtaining a Thai passport would forfeit his Indian nationality.

However, if Hitzatak gets an extension of stay in Thailand on the basis of being a Thai national, might not the stamp in the passport of 'his country' come to the attention of the authorities of 'his country'? It then depends on the rigour of the single nationality policy of 'his country'. I couldn't find an example of a country that still automatically strips dual nationals of citizenship. Zimbabwe used to, but no that no longer applies, at least not when Zimbabwe follows court rulings.

[bkkvictor]

Does he have to apply for a birth certificate in the country he was born or can one get issued in Thailand?

[ubonjoe]

Does he have to apply for a birth certificate in the country he was born or can one get issued in Thailand?

Birth certificates for births outside the country can only be issued by the embassy in the country where the birth occurred.

The consular affairs department in Bangkok will accept an application for a birth certificate and send it to the relevant embassy.

[hitzatak]

Hello guys,

Thank you so much for the replies and concerns.

I'm actually half ***. They are VERY strict and absolutely DO NOT allow another citizenship apart from ***land.

I'm looking to acquire my Thai citizenship through the district office of my amphoe

I think some of you may still be a bit confused to what I was asking - I'm not actually concerned about obtaining the Thai ID. That can all be done with proof and mother's DNA, witness etc etc. (i know the whole nine yards)

But rather my point of worry is if the district/govt will bother informing the *** embassy. As I'll "lose my Finnish citizenship automatically" - There are horror stories of *** that obtained a Thai ID (maybe passport?) and once they arrived to immigration back in ***land, they weren't allow to enter as they were no longer ***!!!

I just want to be able to keep my *** Passport and also have a Thai ID when I am in Thailand. Seems such a crazy idea!!! - from the *** side anyway.

*** Does it matter? (just a little bit paranoid here)

Edited December 30, 2015 by hitzatak

[hitzatak]

It does put me at ease now that Eff1n2ret thinks he "can't imagine that the amphur where you apply for your id card would even think about informing a foreign embassy."

[hitzatak]

Massive DOH

I realise now I wrote "Finnish" in my example. Was just an example. - As Finland do allow dual nationality

That's besides the point though!

[Richard W]

I'm actually half ***. They are VERY strict and absolutely DO NOT allow another citizenship apart from ***land.

That's a bit of a puzzle. The best fits I can find are Serbian and Montenegrin, but I haven't heard of them obliging dual nationals from birth to give up the other nationalities. By contrast, Japan and South Korean can require the attempted surrender of the other nationality on the pain of loss of the first nationality.

I'm looking to acquire my Thai citizenship through the district office of my amphoe

We don't understand why you aren't already Thai de jure. Proving that one is Thai can be difficult, but you think that you can prove that you are Thai.

I think some of you may still be a bit confused to what I was asking - I'm not actually concerned about obtaining the Thai ID. That can all be done with proof and mother's DNA, witness etc etc. (i know the whole nine yards)

But rather my point of worry is if the district/govt will bother informing the *** embassy. As I'll "lose my Finnish citizenship automatically" - There are horror stories of *** that obtained a Thai ID (maybe passport?) and once they arrived to immigration back in ***land, they weren't allow to enter as they were no longer ***!!!

This sounds like what can happen with Indian citizenship. If someone who is an Indian citizen acquires another citizenship, or a passport for another nationality, they automatically cease to be Indian. For a dual national Briton/Indian to come to Britain without losing true Indian citizenship, they have to use an Indian passport endorsed with a certificate of right of abode in the UK. People born in the last 30 years or so can only have a certificate of right of abode in the UK if they are British citizens. However, I have not heard of possession of such certificates terminating de facto Indian citizenship.

However, Malaysia appears to have an even stricter rule, the mirror image of the automatic acquisition of an Irish citizenship. Someone entitled to Irish citizenship automatically becomes an Irish citizen if they attempt to do something that only an Irish citizen may do. Similarly, it appears that if a Malaysian citizen voluntarily exercises a right that only a citizen of another country has, their Malaysian citizenship can be revoked. I'm now wondering it is actually legal for someone to use both a Malaysian passport and a Thai national ID card.