webfact Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 How Donald Trump destroyed the Republican Party in 2015By Eugene Robinson, Opinion writerThe Washington PostWASHINGTON: -- History will remember 2015 as the year when The Republican Party As We Knew It was destroyed by Donald Trump. An entity called the GOP will survive — but can never be the same.Am I overstating Trump’s impact, given that not a single vote has been cast? Hardly. I’m not sure it’s possible to exaggerate how the Trump phenomenon has torn the party apart, revealing a chasm between establishment and base that is far too wide to bridge with stale Reagan-era rhetoric. Can you picture the Trump legions meekly falling in line behind Jeb Bush or Sen. Marco Rubio (Fla.)? I can’t either.Trump didn’t blow up the party on his own. He had help from a field of presidential contenders that was touted as deep and talented but proved shallow and wanting. Bush raised shock-and-awe money but turns out to lack his father and brother’s skill at performing on the national stage; he seems to want to be crowned, not elected. Rubio is like the teacher’s pet who speaks eloquently in class but doesn’t do his homework. New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie was slow off the mark, perhaps having been stuck in traffic on the George Washington Bridge.Full story: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/how-donald-trump-is-destroying-the-republican-party/2015/12/28/747668f6-ad9e-11e5-9ab0-884d1cc4b33e_story.html-- The Washington Post 2015-12-30 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
otherstuff1957 Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 Trump has tapped the US electorates dissatisfaction with the economic trends that have, over the past 30 or 40 years, destroyed the "American Dream". 40 years ago it was possible for a working class American to own a house, a car and put their kids through university with a minimum of financial effort and sacrifice. Now, globalization, increased population (due mainly to immigration) and the greed of bankers who are "too big to fail" have combined to make those things increasingly out of reach for the lower middle class. It's ironic that they have turned to a member of that global economic community to save them! If Trump wins (and I would put his odds of success at about 50-50) the people who voted for him may be sadly disillusioned in the coming years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grumpyoldman Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 Love it. The GOP is so out of touch with the majority of American voters, they will not smell the oval office for another eight years at which point it will have been sixteen years since the Bush fiasco era. Maybe they can chair another completely incompetent Congress, eh? Otherstuff57, 50-50? You make me laugh out loud: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khwaibah Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 Yes sir. The redneck crackers have their party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostboy Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 (edited) Trump has tapped the US electorates dissatisfaction with the economic trends that have, over the past 30 or 40 years, destroyed the "American Dream". 40 years ago it was possible for a working class American to own a house, a car and put their kids through university with a minimum of financial effort and sacrifice. Now, globalization, increased population (due mainly to immigration) and the greed of bankers who are "too big to fail" have combined to make those things increasingly out of reach for the lower middle class. It's ironic that they have turned to a member of that global economic community to save them! If Trump wins (and I would put his odds of success at about 50-50) the people who voted for him may be sadly disillusioned in the coming years. I do not agree with your analysis of the causation of income inequality in America. Globalisation means increased trade and trade generates wealth. Immigration has been shown to have a net positive effect on economies. Your point about the average American 'Joe' 40 years ago is more about wealth distribution than wealth generation. I agree with the analyses that point to the particular brand of voodoo known as Reaganomics as the primary causal factor in the growth of income inequality in this generation. Regulations favouring investment over labour initiated and has maintained this trend. The so-called 'banksters' are a direct result of this. Since Trump's economic policies are as opaque and opportunistic as his political leanings, all I can see as a result of a Trump victory would be continued development of corporatist America and regulations that continue to favour the wealthy. I see no vision for an inclusive society that respects people and provides equality of opportunity for all. Edited December 30, 2015 by lostboy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuckd Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 Yes sir. The redneck crackers have their party. And the secular "elites" have theirs... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rancid Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 Is it that so many like Trump per se, or just that so many are fed up with the same bought and paid for politicians all espousing the same BS? Suspect he is just seen as an alternative to the cesspool of no talent yes men (and women) coughed up by the corrupt old parties as a choice of which is the lesser evil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeverSure Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 Is it that so many like Trump per se, or just that so many are fed up with the same bought and paid for politicians all espousing the same BS? Suspect he is just seen as an alternative to the cesspool of no talent yes men (and women) coughed up by the corrupt old parties as a choice of which is the lesser evil. I agree. People are fed up with traditional politicians and so far it's a bloodbath. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steely Dan Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 The polls put it neck and neck between Trump and Clinton, and the economic winds for the next year or so will not favour the incumbents. In a way Trump is to the U.S what Corbyn is to the U.K, dissatisfaction with the electoral system and the liars who run it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basil B Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 A hell of an intelligent person ...Stephen King, that is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johpa Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 bill-gates-donald-trump-president.jpg Trust me. Bill Gates does not have the personality to be president either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OMGImInPattaya Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 Trump is the result...not the cause. The current path of the Republican Party was set with their adoption of the "Southern strategy" by Nixon over 40 years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jip99 Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 The polls put it neck and neck between Trump and Clinton, and the economic winds for the next year or so will not favour the incumbents. In a way Trump is to the U.S what Corbyn is to the U.K, dissatisfaction with the electoral system and the liars who run it. Bit of a leap of fantasy there, I think. Corbyn may be the perceived answer to the Labour party for all it's failings but you certainly cannot speak for "the UK". With almost 4m votes (over 27% of the electorate) there are a lot of people who would rather see Farage at the helm. Arguably, Trump/Farage is a better analogy than Trump/Corbyn. At least you would be comparing ultra-conservatives rather than throwing in a Marxist. Extending that thought process you could argue whether to link Maggie or Enoch Powell to Trump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiKT Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 The polls put it neck and neck between Trump and Clinton, and the economic winds for the next year or so will not favour the incumbents. In a way Trump is to the U.S what Corbyn is to the U.K, dissatisfaction with the electoral system and the liars who run it. Oh Yes, yes, yes, megamultimillionair Trump paired up with Trotskiyite traitor Corbyn, they form complementary halves of a completely useless ahole, that amazingly demonstrates why neither will ever make it to the top posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kokesaat Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 bill-gates-donald-trump-president.jpg Trust me. Bill Gates does not have the personality to be president either. I think intelligence trumps personality. Gates would be fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steely Dan Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 The polls put it neck and neck between Trump and Clinton, and the economic winds for the next year or so will not favour the incumbents. In a way Trump is to the U.S what Corbyn is to the U.K, dissatisfaction with the electoral system and the liars who run it. Oh Yes, yes, yes, megamultimillionair Trump paired up with Trotskiyite traitor Corbyn, they form complementary halves of a completely useless ahole, that amazingly demonstrates why neither will ever make it to the top posts. I give Trump a far greater chance than Corbyn, but the previously unlikely often has a habit of seeming obvious after the fact. We live in interesting times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuckd Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 Back on topic, this is an opinion piece written by a Democrat. Just another campaign advertisement. Take it with a grain of salt. Wikipedia summarizes the author: "Robinson appears frequently as a liberal political analyst[2] on MSNBC cable-TV network's programs such as Morning Joe, PoliticsNation with Al Sharpton, The Rachel Maddow Show, The Ed Show, Hardball with Chris Matthews, and Countdown with Keith Olbermann. In addition, he is often a panelist on NBC's public affairs program Meet the Press." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugene_Robinson_(journalist) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunroaming Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 The republicans never recovered from the dire mess of George W Bush. I said when Obama was elected that the republican party needed to re-invent themselves with forward thinking policies and a charismatic leader. They have failed on both counts. It is a shame because it is important to have a viable opposition party in a democracy. You have to wonder how a racist, sexist, bullying oaf can muster so much support (they can't all be rednecks) unless of course this is the real face of the USA? Actually I know lots of republicans who are good, honest, well balanced people who have their heads in their hands at the moment. Similar problem in the UK where the opposition (the Labour Party) have a totally un-electable leader and no charismatic bodies in the wings to raise their chances of election in the near future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Publicus Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 Most amusing indeed. The Republican regulars continue to believe they have enough white voters to win the general election. This is so despite the data showing fewer voters are white in each presidential election year. In 2012 the white vote, which divides between the two parties, consisted of 73% of the registered voters. Romney in 2012 needed 61% of the white vote to win. Romney lost while getting 59% of the white vote. In 2016 there will be fewer white R party voters than in 2012. In 2012 there were fewer white voters than in 2008. In 2008 there were fewer...... Now along comes Donald Trump to flippantly smash up this set-piece of what already was Republican party mangled thinking. On the far out right of it especially, which now is most of the Republican party. Trump says with a straight face all the minorities love him and that he'll get one hundred percent of Hispanics, Asian-Americans, even blacks -- everybody. The bottom line is that, for those of us who witnessed the 2012 Republican party primaries cannibalism, the Republican party going into this 2016 election in even worse shape already and the race has just begun. Republican party is in Humpty Dumpty pieces scattered on the floor in all directions. Republican party is no longer center-right. It has become far right driven by the extreme right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elgordo38 Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 (edited) Trump has tapped the US electorates dissatisfaction with the economic trends that have, over the past 30 or 40 years, destroyed the "American Dream". 40 years ago it was possible for a working class American to own a house, a car and put their kids through university with a minimum of financial effort and sacrifice. Now, globalization, increased population (due mainly to immigration) and the greed of bankers who are "too big to fail" have combined to make those things increasingly out of reach for the lower middle class. It's ironic that they have turned to a member of that global economic community to save them! If Trump wins (and I would put his odds of success at about 50-50) the people who voted for him may be sadly disillusioned in the coming years. They may be disillusioned in coming years but disillusionment has been the order of the day for the last 25 years since I retired. I got out at the very cusp of prosperity and after that everything went downhill with NAFTA and the rest of the job robbing treaties. Now along comes TPP. Yes immigrants have contributed to keep the middle class in check but the worst is the shipping of good paying jobs to foreign countries and also if you look at the Apple story in the news today where Apple settled with Italy for not paying their fair share of taxes although Cook denies it vehemently but they still settle for half of what they owed and admitted no wrong doing what a joke taxpayers sadly on you. We seniors are suffering as well with no COLA due to rubbery government numbers and no interest on our money and stealth robbery of seniors dipping their toes into the stock market. This has yet to play out and God knows what other shenanigans are going on under the table. What a lawless cruel society. Edited December 30, 2015 by elgordo38 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arjunadawn Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 Trump has tapped the US electorates dissatisfaction with the economic trends that have, over the past 30 or 40 years, destroyed the "American Dream". 40 years ago it was possible for a working class American to own a house, a car and put their kids through university with a minimum of financial effort and sacrifice. Now, globalization, increased population (due mainly to immigration) and the greed of bankers who are "too big to fail" have combined to make those things increasingly out of reach for the lower middle class. It's ironic that they have turned to a member of that global economic community to save them! If Trump wins (and I would put his odds of success at about 50-50) the people who voted for him may be sadly disillusioned in the coming years. I do not agree with your analysis of the causation of income inequality in America. Globalisation means increased trade and trade generates wealth. Immigration has been shown to have a net positive effect on economies. Your point about the average American 'Joe' 40 years ago is more about wealth distribution than wealth generation. I agree with the analyses that point to the particular brand of voodoo known as Reaganomics as the primary causal factor in the growth of income inequality in this generation. Regulations favouring investment over labour initiated and has maintained this trend. The so-called 'banksters' are a direct result of this. Since Trump's economic policies are as opaque and opportunistic as his political leanings, all I can see as a result of a Trump victory would be continued development of corporatist America and regulations that continue to favour the wealthy. I see no vision for an inclusive society that respects people and provides equality of opportunity for all. edited^ You don't see globalization as corporatist? Your conclusion is disjointed from your premise. In fact, the "banksters" are the corporatists. The coporatists are the globalists. . Somewhere in the labyrinth you've lost your thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
impulse Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 Trump is just sticking the fork in. It was already done years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulic Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 Back on topic, this is an opinion piece written by a Democrat. Just another campaign advertisement. Take it with a grain of salt. Wikipedia summarizes the author: "Robinson appears frequently as a liberal political analyst[2] on MSNBC cable-TV network's programs such as Morning Joe, PoliticsNation with Al Sharpton, The Rachel Maddow Show, The Ed Show, Hardball with Chris Matthews, and Countdown with Keith Olbermann. In addition, he is often a panelist on NBC's public affairs program Meet the Press." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugene_Robinson_(journalist) Of course he is, but that does not make him wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norvid 1950 Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 Wish Donald Trump all the best; he is genuine, represents American's sentiments and wants America strong again; Clinton's era of lies is over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arjunadawn Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 (edited) Trump.jpg A hell of an intelligent person ...Stephen King, that is. Proof positive that some on "the other side" may be genius. No, King is not a genius because of this quote. King is a genius and he also made this quote. Because someone is brilliant, and he is, it does not mean they own the farm on political observations. King is also a product of his liberal ME/MA world he hails from. Just consider the inherent premise in his statement- as long as fractured, unrelated, special interests vote en bloc... Trump will not be elected. A bold admission of how progressivism appeals to fracture, division, encampments, and islands, rather than homogeneity. When we need to parade our famous and brilliant as validation for our views by definition our views are weak. There is much I dislike about Trump but he contrasts the lesser of two/three evils- HRC or an avowed socialist, Sanders. Which is really a better alternative to Trump... an overt socialist or a covert socialist? (I would think the overt socialist; at least with such a one you have some measure of honor). EDIT: I adore King but he would also 'Trump' for Ten Days That Shook The World. Edited December 30, 2015 by arjunadawn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TommyUK1960 Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 I have been watching Donald Trump on youtube. I also checked out his history. Donald is saying the same things he was saying in 1988. He want's to bring companies back from places like China where they use slave labour that America can not compete against, He wants to secure boarders and have people enter legally, Make your armed forces the best, Give America strong leadership (Desperately needed after Obama), When fighting these wars make some one pay for them and the service personnel who need help after, To an outsider like me, I can't understand why he is not already President. He's not an angel but he will get the job done. The thing that sells Donald to me is no one owns him. God help America if that lying toe rag Hillery ever gets in. She will screw the World up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiKT Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 Wish Donald Trump all the best; he is genuine, represents American's sentiments and wants America strong again; Clinton's era of lies is over. I don't suppose he puts going to the theatre as one of his likes , does he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scorecard Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 bill-gates-donald-trump-president.jpg Trust me. Bill Gates does not have the personality to be president either. I think intelligence trumps personality. Gates would be fine. Has Bill Gates ever hinted at running? Has he ever directly or indirectly indicated what party he favors? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggt Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 (edited) Trump may be shaking-up the so called white Republican Party...while Obama shakes-down the white middle class to pay for all the freebies he gives to his primarily non-working class voters...the full economic impact of ObamaCare will not be fully realized until 2017...when Obama will be safely on the golf course...of course... The entitlement party is slowly grinding to a halt...as the number of freeloaders exceed the folks willing to work for a living...this is the result of giving away the farm to pay for the free BBQ with no plan for the future... You Dems should be so proud... Don't even get me started on your social engineering issues... Add the irresponsible economic behavior with the dumbing down of schools, the creation of an a-moral society, adding millions of "illegal" aliens to the welfare roll (ie...Dem voter roll)...and it is easy to see the US is headed for the toilet... HRC will gladly give the flush...if it will maintain the Clinton lifestyle... Edited December 30, 2015 by ggt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinot Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 The polls put it neck and neck between Trump and Clinton, and the economic winds for the next year or so will not favour the incumbents. In a way Trump is to the U.S what Corbyn is to the U.K, dissatisfaction with the electoral system and the liars who run it. In the Wingnut polls it may be neck and neck. Real world polls have Hillary with an insurmountable lead. But, go ahead and believe it's a tie. It's a defense mechanism. Two words come to mind: Schadenfreude - ahh, the pleasure of misfortune, the joy of pain. The Republicans have gone full bore right wing and getting everything they deserve for their unending stream of bullshit which brings us to the the second word(s). Som nam na - (Thai) the best translation from Thai is Deservedly. Oh my Buddha, do these wingnuts deserve this shitestorm which is sure to get worse after they are crushed in the general election. It hasn't even begun yet and it's over. Best election ever! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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