Extension Of Stay Based On Retirement

[Sunbelt Asia]

Someone pointed out by a post, which was deleted by the moderator, that they were not aware that they could show a pension of 65K per month instead of 800K in the bank or a combination of the two for a extension of stay based on retirement. That Sunbelt Asia never mention this.

If you do a search under Sunbelt Asia, if we have not mention this fact over 200 times in posts in the last 30 days, I would be very surprised. This is also on our web site.

One more time: If you can show a pension of 65K per month, you do not need 800K in the bank.

We have processed hundreds if not over a thousand applicants who just showed a pension of 65K per month.

In fact the 80 year old man that the deleted post mention, was doing visa runs for over 40 years, qualified with the pension route. Now he no longer has to do the monthly visa run.

I understand why the post was deleted because it was simply incorrect.

We At Sunbelt Asia support the forum because of feedback. It gives us a chance to help the expat community get the correct answers.

We welcome the poster DeemDee to point out, why or where he felt this was not explained. This will help clear up any misunderstanding. Giving him the benefit of the doubt, it was not a pot shot as it was his #1 post by him

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[Noel]

I understand why the post was deleted because it was simply incorrect.

www.sunbeltasiagroup.com

It may have also been because of the bellicose, belligerent and belittling tone of the supercilious and consummately ill-informed poster.

The financial requirements for an extension on the grounds of retirement have been extremely well documented on this forum, as a simple search will reveal...

[yaimar]

Someone pointed out by a post, which was deleted by the moderator, that they were not aware that they could show a pension of 65K per month instead of 800K in the bank or a combination of the two for a extension of stay based on retirement. That Sunbelt Asia never mention this.

If you do a search under Sunbelt Asia, if we have not mention this fact over 200 times in posts in the last 30 days, I would be very surprised. This is also on our web site.

One more time: If you can show a pension of 65K per month, you do not need 800K in the bank.

We have processed hundreds if not over a thousand applicants who just showed a pension of 65K per month.

In fact the 80 year old man that the deleted post mention, was doing visa runs for over 40 years, qualified with the pension route. Now he no longer has to do the monthly visa run.

I understand why the post was deleted because it was simply incorrect.

We At Sunbelt Asia support the forum because of feedback. It gives us a chance to help the expat community get the correct answers.

We welcome the poster DeemDee to point out, why or where he felt this was not explained. This will help clear up any misunderstanding. Giving him the benefit of the doubt, it was not a pot shot as it was his #1 post by him

www.sunbeltasiagroup.com

sunbelt asia post,941552 Hi So in effect for the retirement visa, 400,000.in the bank and 40,000 in per month, usable income? Same as the spouse visa in effect. {except age} if it is, i am going to change to retirement. seems a lot safer than the spouse visa, [should I become One]

[PeaceBlondie]

I'm sure Sunbelt Asia has mentioned the options often, including the combination method of some pension plus some cash in bank. I asked him a related question recently, and it's been discussed. I asked him if, after I've shown that I have the pension (both by the embassy statement and by bank records), it would help to also show that I have enough reserve in a Thai bank to cover an unexpected medical emergency. I think he said there's no legal need to show one baht in the bank; they just like to see it. I'll ask tomorrow when I go to Immigration for my 90 day reporting.

[Sunbelt Asia]

sunbelt asia post,941552

Can you copy and paste that post please.

Hi So in effect for the retirement visa, 400,000.in the bank and 40,000 in per month, usable income?

No. It is pension/income of 65K per month or 800K in the bank. unless you had a extension of stay prior to 1999. Then its a smaller amt required.

Look at retirement of the Police Order

http://www.lawyer.th.com/National_Police_O...er_Oct_2006.pdf

Same as the spouse visa in effect. {except age}

The spouse visa is 40,000 Baht per month by either your wife or you or combination of your wife and you . If you had a spouse visa( extension of stay before Oct 1st 2006) it can be 400K in the bank or 40,000 Baht income per month.

if it is, i am going to change to retirement. seems a lot safer than the spouse visa, [should I become One]

Advantage of a extension of stay based on retirement versus marriage, you do not have to take your wife down to Immigration every year. You do not also need to go through three 30 day "under consideration" stamps, which is now happening since Oct 1st.

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[Sunbelt Asia]

I asked him if, after I've shown that I have the pension (both by the embassy statement and by bank records), it would help to also show that I have enough reserve in a Thai bank to cover an unexpected medical emergency. I think he said there's no legal need to show one baht in the bank; they just like to see it. I'll ask tomorrow when I go to Immigration for my 90 day reporting.

Some Immigration offices like to see a bank account even if it has 100 Baht, while others do not require it. Bangkok Immigration does not ask for it in most all cases, as the letter from the Embassy is fine.

However Immigration at Pattaya likes to see the bank account even if its 100 Baht with the letter from the Embassy. This passbook must also have a letter from the bank confirming the amt matching with the passbook. Again it is Pattaya for sure asking for this. Not sure if other Immigration offices are asking for the bank account like Pattaya.

www.sunbeltasiagroup.com

[Noel]

sunbelt asia post,941552

Hi So in effect for the retirement visa, 400,000.in the bank and 40,000 in per month, usable income?

No. It is pension/income of 65K per month or 800K in the bank. unless you had a extension of stay prior to 1999. Then its a smaller amt required.

Look at retirement of the Police Order

http://www.lawyer.th.com/National_Police_O...er_Oct_2006.pdf

www.sunbeltasiagroup.com

As I read it, unless the above Police Order is already out of date, you can use a combination of capital and income, provided the total is at least ฿800,000.

[Sunbelt Asia]

sunbelt asia post,941552

Hi So in effect for the retirement visa, 400,000.in the bank and 40,000 in per month, usable income?

No. It is pension/income of 65K per month or 800K in the bank. unless you had a extension of stay prior to 1999. Then its a smaller amt required.

Look at retirement of the Police Order

http://www.lawyer.th.com/National_Police_O...er_Oct_2006.pdf

www.sunbeltasiagroup.com

As I read it, unless the above Police Order is already out of date, you can use a combination of capital and income, provided the total is at least ฿800,000.

Correct, as I pointed out in the orginal post of this thread.

they were not aware that they could show a pension of 65K per month instead of 800K in the bank or a combination of the two for a extension of stay based on retirement.

Combination of 800K money or pension of 65K per month is allowed in most cases. Example: 400K in the bank and 32,500 Baht pension. Or just 800K in the bank or the 65K month pension.

Please be aware this is where the officer will use their discretion. Some will want a higher amount of money if your pension is not high. Example: 400K in the bank and 32,500 Baht pension should be ok but some will want 600K in the bank with a 32,500 Baht pension.

The extension of stay based on marriage is ONLY 40K monthly salary.

UNLESS you have a extension of stay based on marriage before Oct 1st 2006, then its 40K salary, 400K in the bank or a combination of the two.

www.sunbeltasiagroup.com

[desmond]

Someone pointed out by a post, which was deleted by the moderator, that they were not aware that they could show a pension of 65K per month instead of 800K in the bank or a combination of the two for a extension of stay based on retirement. That Sunbelt Asia never mention this.

If you do a search under Sunbelt Asia, if we have not mention this fact over 200 times in posts in the last 30 days, I would be very surprised. This is also on our web site.

One more time: If you can show a pension of 65K per month, you do not need 800K in the bank.

We have processed hundreds if not over a thousand applicants who just showed a pension of 65K per month.

In fact the 80 year old man that the deleted post mention, was doing visa runs for over 40 years, qualified with the pension route. Now he no longer has to do the monthly visa run.

I understand why the post was deleted because it was simply incorrect.

We At Sunbelt Asia support the forum because of feedback. It gives us a chance to help the expat community get the correct answers.

We welcome the poster DeemDee to point out, why or where he felt this was not explained. This will help clear up any misunderstanding. Giving him the benefit of the doubt, it was not a pot shot as it was his #1 post by him

www.sunbeltasiagroup.com

Hi Sunbelt, I sent you emails many times but you never did a single reply.

How can I contact you ?

[yaimar]

sunbelt asia post,941552

Hi So in effect for the retirement visa, 400,000.in the bank and 40,000 in per month, usable income?

No. It is pension/income of 65K per month or 800K in the bank. unless you had a extension of stay prior to 1999. Then its a smaller amt required.

Look at retirement of the Police Order

http://www.lawyer.th.com/National_Police_O...er_Oct_2006.pdf

www.sunbeltasiagroup.com

As I read it, unless the above Police Order is already out of date, you can use a combination of capital and income, provided the total is at least ฿800,000.

Correct, as I pointed out in the orginal post of this thread.

they were not aware that they could show a pension of 65K per month instead of 800K in the bank or a combination of the two for a extension of stay based on retirement.

Combination of 800K money or pension of 65K per month is allowed in most cases. Example: 400K in the bank and 32,500 Baht pension. Or just 800K in the bank or the 65K month pension.

Please be aware this is where the officer will use their discretion. Some will want a higher amount of money if your pension is not high. Example: 400K in the bank and 32,500 Baht pension should be ok but some will want 600K in the bank with a 32,500 Baht pension.

The extension of stay based on marriage is ONLY 40K monthly salary.

UNLESS you have a extension of stay based on marriage before Oct 1st 2006, then its 40K salary, 400K in the bank or a combination of the two.

www.sunbeltasiagroup.com post 941552

dear sunbelt asia, forum members, I said, Can, ? it be an amount in the bank .eg 400,000 .plus pension 40.000 per month {and i would go for that.} then the advice was ,No.it has to be 800,000 or 65000. per month,And i was happy with that reply super. As a newbie ,it would appear to me . reading the threads since 1/10/06 it can be ? please advise, and dont be upset ,if I have read the threads. wrongly. [since my first reply from sun belt ,] It would appear that I could split it up to achieve the 800,000 I just hope it is so. as I am under consideration, for another year as a spouse, and could, put 800,000, in to go back to retirement, but was under the impression . it was 800,000, plus an income of 65000. if 40.000 per month plus the 800,000 would do it, I will, cos Im tired of the proceedure for spouse visa, but 400,000 lump plus 40,000 would be nice, my first check in will be 23/10/06, then you,say another two months. of checks??? { no worries as I work with the navy and local gov} but dont want to try, to pull strings, Just wish it was simpler and less frought .If one has a domestic, just prior to a visit to the visa ,booth [one worries} one really should learn to speak thai,

[Sunbelt Asia]

Hi Sunbelt, I sent you emails many times but you never did a single reply.

How can I contact you ?

Thanks for letting me know.

Depends on when you sent the e-mail. If it’s sent between Fridays at 6p.m. to Monday morning at 8 a.m. they are answered Monday morning. Monday to Friday business hours, you'll find it answered within 2 hours by our client relation staff.

If you need to get hold of us faster, please just send a pm. (private message) the tab at the bottom of this post.

One side note, with all the filters with e-mails. Some people have found our e-mails in their filtered e-mails. Please check there.

I will in the meantime send you a p.m.

Thanks again.

Regards

Greg Lange

Managing Director

Sunbelt Asia Co., Ltd

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[Sunbelt Asia]

www.sunbeltasiagroup.com post 941552

dear sunbelt asia, forum members, I said, Can, ? it be an amount in the bank .eg 400,000 .plus pension 40.000 per month {and i would go for that.} then the advice was ,No.it has to be 800,000 or 65000. per month,And i was happy with that reply super. As a newbie ,it would appear to me . reading the threads since 1/10/06 it can be ? please advise, and dont be upset ,if I have read the threads. wrongly. [since my first reply from sun belt ,] It would appear that I could split it up to achieve the 800,000 I just hope it is so. as I am under consideration, for another year as a spouse, and could, put 800,000, in to go back to retirement, but was under the impression . it was 800,000, plus an income of 65000. if 40.000 per month plus the 800,000 would do it, I will, cos Im tired of the proceedure for spouse visa, but 400,000 lump plus 40,000 would be nice, my first check in will be 23/10/06, then you,say another two months. of checks??? { no worries as I work with the navy and local gov} but dont want to try, to pull strings, Just wish it was simpler and less frought .If one has a domestic, just prior to a visit to the visa ,booth [one worries} one really should learn to speak thai,

Just to clear up any misunderstanding:

This is the clause 7.21 of National Police Office Order No. 606/2006 Retirement

3) Having evidence showing the monthly income not less than 65,000 Baht or,

(4) Having the records of saving money in the latest 3 months of account book of any Bank in Thailand not less than 800,000 Baht or,

(5) Having annual income combined with the saving money in the Bank not less than 800,000 Baht on the date submitting the application form

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[rak sa_ngop]

3) Having evidence showing the monthly income not less than 65,000 Baht or,

(4) Having the records of saving money in the latest 3 months of account book of any Bank in Thailand not less than 800,000 Baht or,

(5) Having annual income combined with the saving money in the Bank not less than 800,000 Baht on the date submitting the application form

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In all the discussions re: retirement visa I have not seen it explicitly stated that the monthly income of 65,000 Baht has to (or not have to) be remmited to a Thai bank account.

This would make sense, but does the retiree who has a monthly income of 65,000 baht have to bring all this money into the country? When applying for the annual visa renewal will this be checked?

I can think of the situation where many over 50's may take up a retirement visa for convenience, but may not want to spend 12 months in Thailand, and therefore do not need all this money in Thailand.

Sorry if this has already been discussed.

[BlackJack]

Does anyone know if there is an AUstralian Embassy rep in Pattaya that can notorise the stat dec of income for me

[Sunbelt Asia]

In all the discussions re: retirement visa I have not seen it explicitly stated that the monthly income of 65,000 Baht has to (or not have to) be remmited to a Thai bank account.

This would make sense, but does the retiree who has a monthly income of 65,000 baht have to bring all this money into the country? When applying for the annual visa renewal will this be checked?

I can think of the situation where many over 50's may take up a retirement visa for convenience, but may not want to spend 12 months in Thailand, and therefore do not need all this money in Thailand.

Sorry if this has already been discussed.

As of yesterday ( Oct 18th 2006), on the third floor of Immigration Dept which handles the change of tourist visa, transit visa and the tourist visa exemption. They now have the requirement of looking at the proof of the pension. As of now this proof does not need to be certified, except if you are using proof of showing the money coming into a Thai bank. You must then show a letter of guarantee from the Thai bank confirming the current amount.

If you are simply doing an extension of stay based on retirement, the first floor of Immigration in Bangkok does not require proof of the pension right now other than the letter from the Embassy. But you do need to show a letter of guarantee from a Thai bank even if its 100 Baht along with the statement notarized from the Embassy in regards to the Embassy.

www.sunbeltasiagroup.com

[The Skipper]

I was at bangkok immigration today and asked about a retirement VISA.

Reuired Documentation for Retirement VISA:

(1)50 years or older.

(2)Having 800,000 in Bank.

(3)Having Pension not less than 65,000.

(4)Having money in Bank and Pension per month X12, not less than 800,000.

(5)Medical letter from reliable Hospital.

(6) Photo 4x6cm

(7) 1,900 fee

(8)Application form TM7

(9)Copy of Passport

Edited October 17, 2006 by The Skipper

[PeaceBlondie]

Hooray, I got my first one-year extension to my retirement visa.

As to the income and savings requirements: this was at the Chiang Mai office, a big operation. He saw my proof of over one million baht pension income per year, and my embassy's fresh affidavit. He saw that I had transferred about a million baht just in the last six months (to buy car, furniture, surgery, presents, etc.). Yet, he still asked for my Thai bank account. I showed him a passbook with 47K baht as of last week. Not good enough; he asked me to get a bank guaranty statement. I was back in about 45 minutes (not bad, riding through traffic) showing 65K baht in the Thai bank, with the guaranty statement. Only then he was happy. Then I got the extension.

That's my story, and I'm sticking with it.

[lopburi3]

As said so often the bank letter of account balance and the passbook and copies are normal requirements regardless. What is not required is any fixed amount in the account when you use the monthly income verified by Embassy route.

The list from Skipper appears to be old as there is no longer a requirement for medical certificate (5).

[astral]

The extension of stay based on marriage is ONLY 40K monthly salary.

UNLESS you have a extension of stay based on marriage before Oct 1st 2006, then its 40K salary, 400K in the bank or a combination of the two.

www.sunbeltasiagroup.com

So you are screwed if you are over 50, have finished work, and do not have a fixed pension to rely on.

Wonderful.

[lopburi3]

The extension of stay based on marriage is ONLY 40K monthly salary.

UNLESS you have a extension of stay based on marriage before Oct 1st 2006, then its 40K salary, 400K in the bank or a combination of the two.

www.sunbeltasiagroup.com

So you are screwed if you are over 50, have finished work, and do not have a fixed pension to rely on.

Wonderful.

Be creative - put the wife to work.

[The Skipper]

They will want to see a Bankbook or Bank Statements with at least a 3 month history, showing the required funds.

A US Dollar account qualifies too but the Bank will state the amount in Baht on the certificate.

[The Skipper]

I met a gentelman the other day that got the retirement VISA processed in the States.

[dr_Pat_Pong]

I met a gentelman the other day that got the retirement VISA processed in the States.

so did thousands of others ... all around the world. The Non-Immigrant O-A visa.

[BlackJack]

Does anyone know if there is an AUstralian Embassy rep in Pattaya that can notorise the stat dec of income for me

is there anybody out there?

[jackspratt]

Does anyone know if there is an AUstralian Embassy rep in Pattaya that can notorise the stat dec of income for me

is there anybody out there?

A quick google of "australian embassy thailand" (which is a really simple thing to do) would indicate there is no representative in Pattaya.

jack

Edited October 20, 2006 by jackspratt

[BlackJack]

Does anyone know if there is an AUstralian Embassy rep in Pattaya that can notorise the stat dec of income for me

is there anybody out there?

A quick google of "australian embassy thailand" (which is a really simple thing to do) would indicate there is no representative in Pattaya.

jack

thanks S M

I asked as real life experience is better sometimes than Googling some old out dated website.

When Google comes up with an algorithm for filtering out old shyt then I'm all for it.

[BlackJack]

I was at bangkok immigration today and asked about a retirement VISA.

Reuired Documentation for Retirement VISA:

(1)50 years or older.

(2)Having 800,000 in Bank.

(3)Having Pension not less than 65,000.

(4)Having money in Bank and Pension per month X12, not less than 800,000.

(5)Medical letter from reliable Hospital.

(6) Photo 4x6cm

(7) 1,900 fee

(8)Application form TM7

(9)Copy of Passport

regarding number 4 i was told by immigration that pension = 3 months in the bank was OK

ie 65K x 3 months is 195K prior to extension