Thai govt considers raising salaries for civil servants

[mike324]

raising salaries so they can play on facebook more? civil servants are some of the most lazy people in Thailand, they go to lunch at 11, most are not busy and sitting around twirling their fingers and playing on their phones. Government should be giving that money to the farmers instead.

[Nobb]

While you are giving the civil servant a raise why do you not give the farmers , street vendors, garbage collectors, and the unemployed people a raise also. The civil servant gets many bonuses when buying houses and cars, etc. Help the right people!

[Manu75]

Junta styled vote-buying ...

They're getting ready for that referendum...

Stupid comment, you've got evidence of your talk ?

one, I have a brain, two, civil servants are a key constituency which originally supported the coup, three, multiple observers of Thai politics are drawing the same conclusion...

But thank you for pointing out that you've not been paying attention to current events...

And what about the high rise of civil servant salary during YL regime ? perhaps It was the same thing : buy civil servant .....

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/national/Civil-service-pay-rises-get-nod-30174910.html

[tbthailand]

Junta styled vote-buying ...

They're getting ready for that referendum...

Stupid comment, you've got evidence of your talk ?

one, I have a brain, two, civil servants are a key constituency which originally supported the coup, three, multiple observers of Thai politics are drawing the same conclusion...

But thank you for pointing out that you've not been paying attention to current events...

And what about the high rise of civil servant salary during YL regime ? perhaps It was the same thing : buy civil servant .....

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/national/Civil-service-pay-rises-get-nod-30174910.html

well, isn't that exactly the point? Or can you not tell the difference between an elected government fulfilling policies on which they campaigned and won versus a self-imposed military government that disparages "elected governments" for populist policies and then (selectively, ... you recall the trial balloon to cut the minimum wage?) uses the same means to (try to) keep themselves popular and quell dissent - important to them since they completely lack legitimacy to "rule" the country...

lest you forget, the PTP campaigned on a platform that was comprehensive and addressed the needs of multiple segments of Thai society. They campaigned on and pushed through a hike in the minimum wage as well as an increase for civil servants. They campaigned on and executed programs for rice supports and education programs... you and I might have disagreed with things like the one-tablet and the rice programs, but that is exactly how democracies work. Parties propose platforms and the people make choices.

On the other hand, military juntas have only 2 tools at their disposal in order to maintain power - blatantly buy the acuquiecense of the populations and force. If this junta has proven one thing, it is that they understand and use these two options.

[halloween]

well, isn't that exactly the point? Or can you not tell the difference between an elected government fulfilling policies on which they campaigned and won versus a self-imposed military government that disparages "elected governments" for populist policies and then (selectively, ... you recall the trial balloon to cut the minimum wage?) uses the same means to (try to) keep themselves popular and quell dissent - important to them since they completely lack legitimacy to "rule" the country...

lest you forget, the PTP campaigned on a platform that was comprehensive and addressed the needs of multiple segments of Thai society. They campaigned on and pushed through a hike in the minimum wage as well as an increase for civil servants. They campaigned on and executed programs for rice supports and education programs... you and I might have disagreed with things like the one-tablet and the rice programs, but that is exactly how democracies work. Parties propose platforms and the people make choices.

On the other hand, military juntas have only 2 tools at their disposal in order to maintain power - blatantly buy the acuquiecense of the populations and force. If this junta has proven one thing, it is that they understand and use these two options.

Just a bit hypocritical don't you think to support populism because voters like it, but disparage exactly the same populism (if that is what a PS pay rise is) because it might be popular?

Your claim that voter approved populism is "exactly how democracies work" is far from true. In a successful democracy, party policies are subject to independent cost analysis for cost and benefit, that analysis is subject to scrutiny and criticism by a free and independent press and opponents, and then an informed and educated population decides on their value. If you believe that happened when PTP were elected, you are deceiving only yourself.

Allowing parties to make a raft of unsustainable and uncosted vote-buying policies, using defamation laws to prevent criticism and analysis, and presenting them to an ill-informed and largely uneducated electorate is not exactly democracy. Neither is paying MPs to be members of a political party headed by a fugitive criminal. In fact, PTP more closely resembles a criminal syndicate than a democratic political party, with contested and elected leadership and where policy is decided by members, not dictated by a paymaster.

[tbthailand]

well, isn't that exactly the point? Or can you not tell the difference between an elected government fulfilling policies on which they campaigned and won versus a self-imposed military government that disparages "elected governments" for populist policies and then (selectively, ... you recall the trial balloon to cut the minimum wage?) uses the same means to (try to) keep themselves popular and quell dissent - important to them since they completely lack legitimacy to "rule" the country...

lest you forget, the PTP campaigned on a platform that was comprehensive and addressed the needs of multiple segments of Thai society. They campaigned on and pushed through a hike in the minimum wage as well as an increase for civil servants. They campaigned on and executed programs for rice supports and education programs... you and I might have disagreed with things like the one-tablet and the rice programs, but that is exactly how democracies work. Parties propose platforms and the people make choices.

On the other hand, military juntas have only 2 tools at their disposal in order to maintain power - blatantly buy the acuquiecense of the populations and force. If this junta has proven one thing, it is that they understand and use these two options.

Just a bit hypocritical don't you think to support populism because voters like it, but disparage exactly the same populism (if that is what a PS pay rise is) because it might be popular?

Your claim that voter approved populism is "exactly how democracies work" is far from true. In a successful democracy, party policies are subject to independent cost analysis for cost and benefit, that analysis is subject to scrutiny and criticism by a free and independent press and opponents, and then an informed and educated population decides on their value. If you believe that happened when PTP were elected, you are deceiving only yourself.

Allowing parties to make a raft of unsustainable and uncosted vote-buying policies, using defamation laws to prevent criticism and analysis, and presenting them to an ill-informed and largely uneducated electorate is not exactly democracy. Neither is paying MPs to be members of a political party headed by a fugitive criminal. In fact, PTP more closely resembles a criminal syndicate than a democratic political party, with contested and elected leadership and where policy is decided by members, not dictated by a paymaster.

funny how I never claim all those terrible things that you talk about... but hey, trolling is an art... You need to pick up your game...

But I notice how you can't stop yourself from disparaging Thai voters by calling them largely uneducated... a typical slur from junta-huggers.

And yes, it is the job of political parties to present their platform and go to the voters with it. 40 some-odd parties did that in 2011. Then the people made their choice.

As for your comment, Just a bit hypocritical don't you think to support populism because voters like it, but disparage exactly the same populism (if that is what a PS pay rise is) because it might be popular? of course, that is not at all what I am saying but it is a rather daft attempt to distort the truth and cause confusion - off to AA with you.

I am extremely consistent in my position. Government needs to take care of all the people. The 30 bhat UCS is a good example of a program that has saved millions of lives. Giving tax breaks to the wealthy who already don't pull their own weight doesn't fall into that category.

Actually, the most relevant statement would be that the current self-appointed government has no place in making any decisions as that is the right of the people in exercising their own self-determination.