The dog I ran over today - UPDATE

[Minnehaha]

on this topic ... first shocking experience I had was in CM where I saw a dog sitting, laying, barely moving with head split open among other things ...

being new here, I passed it went to my appointment. later same day I happened past that place and saw same dog. not much better... he was being discussed by some local shops nearby. someone gave him a bit of water.

the worst one I ever saw was a female who had been hit by a car and had half her female insides hanging, dragging, as she shuffled thru an intersection with cars swerving around her. that was in Buriram.

cant count the number of human corpses I have seen from road accidents.

few months ago, was in my local food shop for quick lunch. they have a stray that comes and litters when she needs a place to go. one of her kittens ran out in the road and got run over, with head crushed. she was retrieved and let rest next to the shop. we finished lunch and by the time we left she had passed away. the shop owner was still discussing with others whether or not to take her to a vet. obviously wrestling with the sense of responsibility and costs of such an endeavor and what people might think as it was her shop. I know for a fact it is not her cat.

everything is born, feels pain, ages, then dies

[seancbk]

Glad to hear it.

Good thing you didn't finish it off with a tyre iron like some of our resident hard men suggested.

SoiBiker:

One thing I learned from this ordeal is that mercy killing is even more alien to Thai culture than I realized.

When I finally made it over to the service department, it was close to closing time. The counter service staff were in nail filing mode, just waiting for 5 o'clock. The service bays were all empty, and several of the mechanics were chilling in the customer service area, enjoying the air conditioning before they went home. So I decided to strike up a discussion about the dog.

Of course, they already knew all about it, and assured me that the dog hadn't died. I told them about how I had discussed what happened on the internet with foreigners living in Thailand and that many had said that I should have killed the dog to end its suffering. Everyone was like: 'Say whaaat?" I asked one of the mechanics if Thai people ever kill a dog which got hit by a car in order to put it out of its misery, and everyone shook their head, saying that that was never done.

I'm still trying to wrap my head around how Thais perceive this, but my impression is that they see death as a natural process, not to be interfered with. I get the feeling that there is an aura around death which needs to be respected.

Gecko,

A Thai girl I know who spent 10 years being educated in Paris asked me if I could help her with her dog which had (I believe) kidney failure and was also blind with old age.

No Thai vet would euthanise the poor dog for her as it's against their beliefs (or something).

I did a fair amount of research and couldn't find a single vet that would put the poor animal to sleep either.

Eventually the dog died after much suffering.

[davethailand]

Glad to hear it.

Good thing you didn't finish it off with a tyre iron like some of our resident hard men suggested.

SoiBiker:

One thing I learned from this ordeal is that mercy killing is even more alien to Thai culture than I realized.

When I finally made it over to the service department, it was close to closing time. The counter service staff were in nail filing mode, just waiting for 5 o'clock. The service bays were all empty, and several of the mechanics were chilling in the customer service area, enjoying the air conditioning before they went home. So I decided to strike up a discussion about the dog.

Of course, they already knew all about it, and assured me that the dog hadn't died. I told them about how I had discussed what happened on the internet with foreigners living in Thailand and that many had said that I should have killed the dog to end its suffering. Everyone was like: 'Say whaaat?" I asked one of the mechanics if Thai people ever kill a dog which got hit by a car in order to put it out of its misery, and everyone shook their head, saying that that was never done.

I'm still trying to wrap my head around how Thais perceive this, but my impression is that they see death as a natural process, not to be interfered with. I get the feeling that there is an aura around death which needs to be respected.

Gecko,

A Thai girl I know who spent 10 years being educated in Paris asked me if I could help her with her dog which had (I believe) kidney failure and was also blind with old age.

No Thai vet would euthanise the poor dog for her as it's against their beliefs (or something).

I did a fair amount of research and couldn't find a single vet that would put the poor animal to sleep either.

Eventually the dog died after much suffering.

I've had 3 dogs put to sleep in Pattaya over my years there by a very good vet.

All of them were my personal pets and all were beyond help.

[Khon Kaen Dave]

I hate to admit this,but years ago i lived in a small and narrow soi off Pattaya Klang.There were houses only on one side of it,and the other side had a low wall over looking a car wash.In the soi there started a group of soi dog's maybe 5/6, who slowly became feral due to the fact that no one would feed or water them.They were noisy at night and very dangerous.We asked if anybody owned these dogs,to which every body denied owning..They were reverting to being a pack,with an Alpha male and female.I observed them for some time and could see the change in the dogs as time went by.it got to the stage where they would chase motorbikes down the soi.One small girl was actually bitten by one dog.A man living a few doors away was also bitten on his calf muscle,and paid a fortune for medical tests for Rabies.In fact it was a guantlet run,to get out of the soi.The dogs would continuously chase motorbikes and bicycles.And yet,still, no one would admit ownership. It became a game of chance,being able to get out the house and return safely.My friend and i got so fed up with this,that one night we made a stew of pork,Zanex(heavily added) and Rat poison.As i say,i am a dog lover and not proud of this.We distributed this concoction around the soi during the day,which was the best time.Over the next few days,the dogs disappeared and were never seen again.I suppose like cats,they go away to die.And would you believe it?All of a sudden people started lamenting the loss of their wonderful dog and threatening all sorts of action to get money from the foul murderers of their beloved dog.Which they suddenly laid claim to.As i say,i am not proud of this ,as i am basically an animal lover.But what else can one do? to solve a problem such as this,where life and limb are in danger.

KKD

[Keesters]

Also a soi dog with a new collar on?

Means he's being cared for which is a good thing.

A collar means nothing. Could still be mistreated, hungry etc.

Dogs should be given a loving home behind a locked gate not allowed to roam free, and get injured on public land.

Edited January 29, 2016 by Keesters

[davethailand]

Also a soi dog with a new collar on?

Means he's being cared for which is a good thing.

A collar means nothing. Could still be mistreated, hungry etc.

Dogs should be given a loving home behind a locked gate not allowed to roam free, and get injured on public land.

In an ideal world.

At least a collar shows that there is some attention.

[1FinickyOne]

Well, good for you to bring the dog some treats. She looks like a very sweet dog...

Euthanasia is not normally practiced here with dogs. When my boy dog was dying, near the end, we went to the vet - I thought surely, put him out of his misery. Let him go in peace. They just gave him a shot of vitamins and sent him home with us. I sat up all night with his labored breathing, petting him and hoping he would pass on soon and at least it was an environment of love. He finally did pass along at 6 am after a sad and sleepless night for me.

We have another dog who is probably nearing 14 now and she is having back leg problems though does not seem in pain.

However, this can bring up a larger issue for me as a foreigner. I would want medication and such to assist in my own passing along but I do not know if this is available here. My wife will surely not be one to assist in the process. For her to even discuss the subject, she would feel would be bad luck, as if inviting it to happen. I do not want to linger semi conscious, semi-dressed, in a hospital room surrounded by family. That is not my idea of dignity... but seems to be how many here die.

good luck with the dog.

[HooHaa]

Also a soi dog with a new collar on?

Means he's being cared for which is a good thing.

To me cared for means having its injury set by a veterinarian.

A collar means nothing more than it is being occasionally fed and not chased off the lot.

[davethailand]

Also a soi dog with a new collar on?

Means he's being cared for which is a good thing.

To me cared for means having its injury set by a veterinarian.

A collar means nothing more than it is being occasionally fed and not chased off the lot.

Again in an ideal world.

A friend and I used to care for a soi dog that lived outside my old bar including vets etc.

I was annoyed to hear that she died due to illness and the bar opposite not telling us otherwise we would have sorted her out.

Funny as times as I'd be walking along walking st and all of a sudden I'd be barged from behind by her and then pestered until I played with her.

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[louse1953]

Also a soi dog with a new collar on?

Means he's being cared for which is a good thing.

I do wonder sometimes about the ownership status of some soi dogs. Be careful if you injure one, someone will claim ownership of the dog....and will want compensation. It does happen and has been reported in tv before. Best to treat them all as owned by someone from the outset.

If the dog is in the soi and you hit it and "somebody"wants money,it's a try on and you would be a fool to pay.

[louse1953]

I hate to admit this,but years ago i lived in a small and narrow soi off Pattaya Klang.There were houses only on one side of it,and the other side had a low wall over looking a car wash.In the soi there started a group of soi dog's maybe 5/6, who slowly became feral due to the fact that no one would feed or water them.They were noisy at night and very dangerous.We asked if anybody owned these dogs,to which every body denied owning..They were reverting to being a pack,with an Alpha male and female.I observed them for some time and could see the change in the dogs as time went by.it got to the stage where they would chase motorbikes down the soi.One small girl was actually bitten by one dog.A man living a few doors away was also bitten on his calf muscle,and paid a fortune for medical tests for Rabies.In fact it was a guantlet run,to get out of the soi.The dogs would continuously chase motorbikes and bicycles.And yet,still, no one would admit ownership. It became a game of chance,being able to get out the house and return safely.My friend and i got so fed up with this,that one night we made a stew of pork,Zanex(heavily added) and Rat poison.As i say,i am a dog lover and not proud of this.We distributed this concoction around the soi during the day,which was the best time.Over the next few days,the dogs disappeared and were never seen again.I suppose like cats,they go away to die.And would you believe it?All of a sudden people started lamenting the loss of their wonderful dog and threatening all sorts of action to get money from the foul murderers of their beloved dog.Which they suddenly laid claim to.As i say,i am not proud of this ,as i am basically an animal lover.But what else can one do? to solve a problem such as this,where life and limb are in danger.

KKD

Rabies shots cost a pittance.

[Keesters]

Also a soi dog with a new collar on?

Means he's being cared for which is a good thing.

A collar means nothing. Could still be mistreated, hungry etc.

Dogs should be given a loving home behind a locked gate not allowed to roam free, and get injured on public land.

In an ideal world.

At least a collar shows that there is some attention.

The collar only signifies that someone does not want this dog taken away when the dog catchers come around. It is quasi ownership/responsibility at best. Attention to the dog being given only when it suits somebody to do so. The dog will not be picked up by the authorities and taken away to somewhere where it will be looked after properly.

Should the dog cause problems with somebody while it is on public land the collar owner will run away as fast as responsible. Persons who put collars on street dogs are cowards, animal abusers, irresponsible idiots who should be euthanized.

Edited January 30, 2016 by Keesters

[davethailand]

Also a soi dog with a new collar on?

Means he's being cared for which is a good thing.

A collar means nothing. Could still be mistreated, hungry etc.

Dogs should be given a loving home behind a locked gate not allowed to roam free, and get injured on public land.

In an ideal world.

At least a collar shows that there is some attention.

The collar only signifies that someone does not want this dog taken away when the dog catchers come around. It is quasi ownership/responsibility at best. Attention to the dog being given only when it suits somebody to do so. The dog will not be picked up by the authorities and taken away to somewhere where it will be looked after properly.

Should the dog cause problems with somebody while it is on public land the collar owner will run away as fast as responsible. Persons who put collars on street dogs are cowards, animal abusers, irresponsible idiots who should be euthanized.

Maybe some.

I wouldn't say they are all bad.

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[Khon Kaen Dave]

louse1953

By your rational then,its ok for soi dogs to run around taking chunks out of people! Its not the cost of the shots,its the damned inconvenience of it.And all the tests that you go through.I apologise for not being able to find a store that would sell me the chemicals they use in the lethal injection method of execution.

DDK

[davethailand]

I hate to admit this,but years ago i lived in a small and narrow soi off Pattaya Klang.There were houses only on one side of it,and the other side had a low wall over looking a car wash.In the soi there started a group of soi dog's maybe 5/6, who slowly became feral due to the fact that no one would feed or water them.They were noisy at night and very dangerous.We asked if anybody owned these dogs,to which every body denied owning..They were reverting to being a pack,with an Alpha male and female.I observed them for some time and could see the change in the dogs as time went by.it got to the stage where they would chase motorbikes down the soi.One small girl was actually bitten by one dog.A man living a few doors away was also bitten on his calf muscle,and paid a fortune for medical tests for Rabies.In fact it was a guantlet run,to get out of the soi.The dogs would continuously chase motorbikes and bicycles.And yet,still, no one would admit ownership. It became a game of chance,being able to get out the house and return safely.My friend and i got so fed up with this,that one night we made a stew of pork,Zanex(heavily added) and Rat poison.As i say,i am a dog lover and not proud of this.We distributed this concoction around the soi during the day,which was the best time.Over the next few days,the dogs disappeared and were never seen again.I suppose like cats,they go away to die.And would you believe it?All of a sudden people started lamenting the loss of their wonderful dog and threatening all sorts of action to get money from the foul murderers of their beloved dog.Which they suddenly laid claim to.As i say,i am not proud of this ,as i am basically an animal lover.But what else can one do? to solve a problem such as this,where life and limb are in danger.

KKD

Rabies shots cost a pittance.

Hardly a pittance, normally a course of 4 or 5 over a month or so.

A few thousand from memory.

[roo860]

Also tetanus shot needed, plus the seriousness of the bite, stitches etc.

[davethailand]

Also a soi dog with a new collar on?

Means he's being cared for which is a good thing.

I do wonder sometimes about the ownership status of some soi dogs. Be careful if you injure one, someone will claim ownership of the dog....and will want compensation. It does happen and has been reported in tv before. Best to treat them all as owned by someone from the outset.

If the dog is in the soi and you hit it and "somebody"wants money,it's a try on and you would be a fool to pay.

I know I wouldn't be paying.

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[Keesters]

https://youtu.be/Q-oBonNwpS4

Edited February 2, 2016 by Keesters

[Keesters]

This is what I tried to do in post above. Took more than 30 minutes to get it right.