Australian Fiance Visa Application

[freddles]

I realise this has been brought up in another thread, but its a bit messy there, so here's a new one...

I'm 20, my Thai girlfriend is 26, we've made the mistake of applying for a fiance visa (should've gone straight for spouse). She has been in australia with me since early 2004 doing a Master's Degree in Information Systems, which she completed a little while back (she couldn't apply for a skills visa because her course wasn't long enough). I have been living with her since i first met her at uni.

Unfortunately we didn't keep any solid evidence of that, except for the past 6 or 7 months where both of our names were on the contract; and a joint electricity bill for the past year or so. Also unfortunate is that we lost a statement made by our former employer which stated that he would give her a job when she got back; and we only have a few statements from others as we don't know too many people here. As such, we seem to have decent evidence that we've been living together for a long time, but not so strong evidence that we are a good couple... though i was waiting for her at the embassy when she had the interview as i was on holidays. Also, if it makes any difference to the application, i make about AUD$35000 a year.

She applied for the fiance visa, and got an interview after little under 2 weeks. Her case officer told her something to the effect that she provided the evidence they wanted, so that's why it didn't take long. Also, apparently if they need more evidence they will ask for it at the interview, and she wasn't asked. According to my girlfriend, the interview was just to see if everything said in the statements was genuine, and she thinks she gave the case officer that impression.

Anyway, after the interview her case officer said something like the processing of the evidence is done, all they are waiting on is the final decision. They also took her passport.

So...

- How long does this decision making usually take?

- From what i've said above, how do my chances look?

- If they want an AOS, would they have contacted me already?

- If it is rejected, what are my options?

Edited October 22, 2006 by freddles

[gburns57au]

I realise this has been brought up in another thread, but its a bit messy there, so here's a new one...

I'm 20, my Thai girlfriend is 26, we've made the mistake of applying for a fiance visa (should've gone straight for spouse). She has been in australia with me since early 2004 doing a Master's Degree in Information Systems, which she completed a little while back (she couldn't apply for a skills visa because her course wasn't long enough). I have been living with her since i first met her at uni.

Unfortunately we didn't keep any solid evidence of that, except for the past 6 or 7 months where both of our names were on the contract; and a joint electricity bill for the past year or so. Also unfortunate is that we lost a statement made by our former employer which stated that he would give her a job when she got back; and we only have a few statements from others as we don't know too many people here. As such, we seem to have decent evidence that we've been living together for a long time, but not so strong evidence that we are a good couple... though i was waiting for her at the embassy when she had the interview as i was on holidays. Also, if it makes any difference to the application, i make about AUD$35000 a year.

She applied for the fiance visa, and got an interview after little under 2 weeks. Her case officer told her something to the effect that she provided the evidence they wanted, so that's why it didn't take long. Also, apparently if they need more evidence they will ask for it at the interview, and she wasn't asked. According to my girlfriend, the interview was just to see if everything said in the statements was genuine, and she thinks she gave the case officer that impression.

Anyway, after the interview her case officer said something like the processing of the evidence is done, all they are waiting on is the final decision. They also took her passport.

So...

- How long does this decision making usually take?

as long as it takes

- From what i've said above, how do my chances look?

Looks ok from here...but I am not the embassy

- If they want an AOS, would they have contacted me already?

Yes

- If it is rejected, what are my options?

There is an appeals process

The fiance visa means that you will have to marry within 9 months from the grant....the spouse visa on de facto basis would have been the way to go for you if you are not that keen on the committal.

[freddles]

- How long does this decision making usually take?

as long as it takes

so why bother answering?

- If they want an AOS, would they have contacted me already?

Yes

Thank you for this answer, but considering the rest of the post... on what basis do you say that? I haven't read it anywhere.

The fiance visa means that you will have to marry within 9 months from the grant....the spouse visa on de facto basis would have been the way to go for you if you are not that keen on the committal.

who said anything about me not being keen? Besides which, this doesn't exactly help much at all considering i'm well into the processing of a fiance visa already.

[aussiestyle1983]

I realise this has been brought up in another thread, but its a bit messy there, so here's a new one...

I'm 20, my Thai girlfriend is 26, we've made the mistake of applying for a fiance visa (should've gone straight for spouse). She has been in australia with me since early 2004 doing a Master's Degree in Information Systems, which she completed a little while back (she couldn't apply for a skills visa because her course wasn't long enough). I have been living with her since i first met her at uni.

Unfortunately we didn't keep any solid evidence of that, except for the past 6 or 7 months where both of our names were on the contract; and a joint electricity bill for the past year or so. Also unfortunate is that we lost a statement made by our former employer which stated that he would give her a job when she got back; and we only have a few statements from others as we don't know too many people here. As such, we seem to have decent evidence that we've been living together for a long time, but not so strong evidence that we are a good couple... though i was waiting for her at the embassy when she had the interview as i was on holidays. Also, if it makes any difference to the application, i make about AUD$35000 a year.

She applied for the fiance visa, and got an interview after little under 2 weeks. Her case officer told her something to the effect that she provided the evidence they wanted, so that's why it didn't take long. Also, apparently if they need more evidence they will ask for it at the interview, and she wasn't asked. According to my girlfriend, the interview was just to see if everything said in the statements was genuine, and she thinks she gave the case officer that impression.

Anyway, after the interview her case officer said something like the processing of the evidence is done, all they are waiting on is the final decision. They also took her passport.

So...

- How long does this decision making usually take?

as long as it takes

- From what i've said above, how do my chances look?

Looks ok from here...but I am not the embassy

- If they want an AOS, would they have contacted me already?

Yes

- If it is rejected, what are my options?

There is an appeals process

The fiance visa means that you will have to marry within 9 months from the grant....the spouse visa on de facto basis would have been the way to go for you if you are not that keen on the committal.

as gburns said, now yall are gonna have to get married within 9 months of obtaining her fiance visa. the spouse "de-facto" visa would of ment that yall never have to get married if yall dont want to.

maybe that is why the interview went well, because your girl is only applying for a finace visa, which is like a 9 month tourist visa anyway. the embassy knows if yall arent serious and you dont get married in 9 months she will loose the visa.

[freddles]

as gburns said, now yall are gonna have to get married within 9 months of obtaining her fiance visa. the spouse "de-facto" visa would of ment that yall never have to get married if yall dont want to.

maybe that is why the interview went well, because your girl is only applying for a finace visa, which is like a 9 month tourist visa anyway. the embassy knows if yall arent serious and you dont get married in 9 months she will loose the visa.

Wow... does anyone here read the posts before replying?

Looks like i'm gonna have to edit that first sentence, people can't read beyond it. Dissapointing to say the least.

Edit... ######, i can't edit a post after it's been replied to. Well, for futures sake... I WANT TO GET MARRIED. read the post properly... it says we shouldve got married first, not fiance first.

Edited October 22, 2006 by freddles

[aussiestyle1983]

and before you decide to have a rant at my comment about not being serious, i am not saying yall arent serious, yall are most likely deeply in love, but thats for the embassy to decide....................

the embassy are the ones approving the visa and they will make their decision based on the evidence you provide to them and how they feel about yall's relationship. some people bring girls to Oz and marry them in Oz just to help them get into Oz, for many reasons, so you need to know that the embassy is aware of this and will be trying to figure out how geniune yalls relationship is. if they think your just trying to help her get into Oz, even though you arent, they wont give the visa. So any more evidence you can give them might just help you application out.

Edited October 22, 2006 by aussiestyle1983

[aussiestyle1983]

I guess I was too slow...................

Arrogant ######

[freddles]

I guess I was too slow...................

Arrogant ######

???

[freddles]

and before you decide to have a rant at my comment about not being serious, i am not saying yall arent serious, yall are most likely deeply in love, but thats for the embassy to decide....................

the embassy are the ones approving the visa and they will make their decision based on the evidence you provide to them and how they feel about yall's relationship. some people bring girls to Oz and marry them in Oz just to help them get into Oz, for many reasons, so you need to know that the embassy is aware of this and will be trying to figure out how geniune yalls relationship is. if they think your just trying to help her get into Oz, even though you arent, they wont give the visa. So any more evidence you can give them might just help you application out.

look, i'm sorry to sound ingrateful and belligerent here, but how does this address the questions i asked?

I know many people bring back girls for the wrong reasons, i know that part of the processing is to determine if our relationship is genuine, in fact i said that exactly in my first post. Nowhere did i say that i didn't want to marry, i don't know how that got brought up, but beyond that i'm having a rant about relevancy... there is none in the above.

[aussiestyle1983]

Im just saying, the embassy will be the one to make the decision. The decision for some lucky others has been made in less than 1 week after the interview and for others, it has taken many more months, and possibly years if an appeal needs to be made against an application rejection. I guess you will proably know between 2 weeks and 2 more months, if not, give them a call. If you think the evidence was good enough, and the embassy was happy with the evidence like you said they were, then yall should be fine. Getting a finace visa is not suppose to be as hard as getting a spouse visa, because once a spouse visa is granted, its granted, full stop. But a fiance visa can be cancelled if the couple does not marry before the 9 month rule. So hopefully, you will get the visa approved in less than 3 more months if all is good from thje embassy's point of view. Good luck.

[freddles]

Im just saying, the embassy will be the one to make the decision. The decision for some lucky others has been made in less than 1 week after the interview and for others, it has taken many more months, and possibly years if an appeal needs to be made against an application rejection. I guess you will proably know between 2 weeks and 2 more months, if not, give them a call.

I didn't mention it in my original post because i didn't want answers to be biased in any way... but the case officer told my girlfriend that she should know before december, around 6 weeks.

I'm sure she was being honest and all, but i've got plans to make and the stress is killing me, so i just wanna know how reliable this is... i've had too many times where someone told me some type of application should only take a short while, and it ends up going forever.

Would the case officer actually know this, or was she just roughly estimating?

If you think the evidence was good enough, and the embassy was happy with the evidence like you said they were, then yall should be fine. Getting a finace visa is not suppose to be as hard as getting a spouse visa, because once a spouse visa is granted, its granted, full stop. But a fiance visa can be cancelled if the couple does not marry before the 9 month rule. So hopefully, you will get the visa approved in less than 3 more months if all is good from thje embassy's point of view. Good luck.

Thats interesting actually... i think i remember reading elsewhere on this site that the fiance and spouse visa were processed in the same way... the reasoning for why it should be easier is plausible enough, because it's just a temporary visa.

But then again, if they processed them the same way then there would be much less processing for the eventual spouse visa... so, thinking bureaucratically, it seems the same either way. (heh, google define returns this for bureaucracy: any cold-blooded vertebrate, such as a frog or salamander, that has aquatic gill-breathing larvae and terrestrial lung-breathing adults.)

Naturally, i'm extremely anxious about the results. I said i thought we provided good enough evidence... but in hindsight, and after reading through this forum, it seems a lot tougher than before. I'm pretty sure they will think our relationship is genuine, but there are other problems.

For example, i'm only 20 so they might have a hard time believing i'm going to be committed enough to stay with her, and i'm not sure how well our evidence shows this... thats my main concern. I've shown enough that we've been together for a long while and pay a lot of bills together, etc, but nothing to the effect that we'll stay together. Is this even possible to show, or do they judge it just on things like rental and property history?

Also, i don't have a particulary good job or a lot of money, so will they factor in her Master's Degree and previous employment in Australia when they consider if she might be a burden on the state?

Actually, theres a further question i'd like to ask... it seems to me that the two main things they look for are a genuine and committed relationship, and whether the applicant will eventually end up on welfare. Which of these is more important to them?

Oh, and how often do cases get rejected? and why?

or perhaps i should just stop stressing.

Edited October 22, 2006 by freddles

[Pink Mist]

If she has a masters in IT she could apply for a visa on that qualification alone, why not try that route?

[aussiestyle1983]

Stop stressing, because it sounds like its out of your hands now. If they didnt ask for more doccuments at the interview, they must have everything they need to make their decision. Did you provide stat dec form 888 from people who know you and your partner? Having them done by family members that can write good things about your relationship and your fiancee's character would help. The time the case officer told you was probaly the longest time frame, so hope for a decision in less time, they know the strees you would be under and they would not be trying to lie to you about that, so yeah, take the december decision as the longest you would have to wait. You only need to be 18 to sponsor, so being your age would not be a problem. ( Im 22 and I just married my wife afew months ago, we have been together 18 months and have lived together the last 12 months and im not concerned how they think of our ages when we apply as Im over the 18 YO sponsor age )

Her masters degree should be a big advantage. She is well educated and that means she should be able to find a job there. So yes, the MA is a big plus!

Apart from the relationship being genuine, like you said, the other thing is will she be a burden on the oz governemnt.......................she is only 26 so I think that is a plus because she is still young and healthy.

Look at it like this, your not an 80 year old pensioner trying to bring a 16 year old bar girl and her 2 kids and family into Oz so they can bludge of the Tax system and sell themselves off as hookers, so dont stress to much.

Your relationship is genuine, and the embassy should see that and issue the visa.

[freddles]

Stop stressing, because it sounds like its out of your hands now. If they didnt ask for more doccuments at the interview, they must have everything they need to make their decision. Did you provide stat dec form 888 from people who know you and your partner? Having them done by family members that can write good things about your relationship and your fiancee's character would help. The time the case officer told you was probaly the longest time frame, so hope for a decision in less time, they know the strees you would be under and they would not be trying to lie to you about that, so yeah, take the december decision as the longest you would have to wait. You only need to be 18 to sponsor, so being your age would not be a problem. ( Im 22 and I just married my wife afew months ago, we have been together 18 months and have lived together the last 12 months and im not concerned how they think of our ages when we apply as Im over the 18 YO sponsor age )

Her masters degree should be a big advantage. She is well educated and that means she should be able to find a job there. So yes, the MA is a big plus!

Apart from the relationship being genuine, like you said, the other thing is will she be a burden on the oz governemnt.......................she is only 26 so I think that is a plus because she is still young and healthy.

Look at it like this, your not an 80 year old pensioner trying to bring a 16 year old bar girl and her 2 kids and family into Oz so they can bludge of the Tax system and sell themselves off as hookers, so dont stress to much.

Your relationship is genuine, and the embassy should see that and issue the visa.

Thanks.

Indeed, thats exactly how i've been trying to look at it. She's young, had no problems in her health check, very well educated, with definite job prospects, and it's clearly not a bs relationship... i'm just not sure how tough it is to get in, i haven't exactly tried doing it before.

That, and... we both seem to have said in our statements something which wasn't exactly a good idea... that basically we had to do the fiance' visa as we had no other options. We first considered a skills visa (in response to the above, no it isn't available), then de facto, and then marriage but it was too late at that time because of the one month required beforehand.

I'm pretty sure we both said in our statements that we would have preferred to marry later on, but because of all this fuss about visas we've got to do it sooner than we want to. Is this going to impact on the decision? Doesn't exactly seem like a deeply committed couple...

So, i'm not sure if they're going to interpret that negatively; honesty doesn't always seem to be the best way to go (to be honest).

[aussiestyle1983]

I wouldnt of written why you didnt chose the other visas, I wouldnt think it would be needed to be explained. But then again, as you said, yall wrote that you would of perfered to get married later on, so that means that yall are planning a long and steady relationship, which they will see as evidence of yalls comitment. I think writing that wouldnt have had any negative affects on your application, if anything, both telling the truth and the same story about wanting to marry later on, would be a positive.

[Mighty Mouse]

That, and... we both seem to have said in our statements something which wasn't exactly a good idea... that basically we had to do the fiance' visa as we had no other options. We first considered a skills visa (in response to the above, no it isn't available), then de facto, and then marriage but it was too late at that time because of the one month required beforehand.

I'm pretty sure we both said in our statements that we would have preferred to marry later on, but because of all this fuss about visas we've got to do it sooner than we want to. Is this going to impact on the decision? Doesn't exactly seem like a deeply committed couple...

It sounds to me like you have both rushed into applying for a fiance visa before carefully considering your options.....and there are, or were, many different options you could have chosen.

Be that as it may, you have now submitted your application and you are at the mercy of your case officer and her superiors.

It serves no purpose getting upset with the answers you have received thus far in this thread. The people giving you these answers volunteer their time, knowledge, experience and suggestions in order to help others. You should be grateful for their replies.

The Embassy will either approve or reject the application. If they find the application border line, they will usually request further information from the applicant or sponsor before making a final decision. Only you and your g/f know how strong the application is.

[freddles]

It serves no purpose getting upset with the answers you have received thus far in this thread. The people giving you these answers volunteer their time, knowledge, experience and suggestions in order to help others. You should be grateful for their replies.

look, i'm sorry to sound ingrateful and belligerent here, but how does this address the questions i asked?

I know many people bring back girls for the wrong reasons, i know that part of the processing is to determine if our relationship is genuine, in fact i said that exactly in my first post. Nowhere did i say that i didn't want to marry, i don't know how that got brought up, but beyond that i'm having a rant about relevancy... there is none in the above.

If they find the application border line, they will usually request further information from the applicant or sponsor before making a final decision.

it is this kind of response i was looking for. Having never done this before, i didn't know that. But considering they didn't ask for any extra information, this helps me quite a lot. Thank you.

[Chris Lawrence]

Hi Freddles welcome to Thaivisa; I read your first posts and it sounds as though u are now waiting for an answer. There is a certian amount of negativity in the forum before you get to an answer? This is for some usual process.

I would also suggest to read some of the pommie threads; they are a bit more proactive in accerting the rights of the individual.

The embassy in Bangkok appears to only let you get to the case officers (even their title is a contradiction, as they apear to only move paper and are unable to indicate due process). You may find some relief from contacting the Aussies in the embassy or the department in Aust. The biggest problem I experienced was the lack of communiction from this service. They are reluctant to give answers.

Go easy with your application, but if you are getting frustrated you can ask for people up the line. Some may see this as que jumping, but I see this as your right. The embassy did post a job in Feb this year to give assistance to applicants (part of the job discription?) if you find out who this is post it on the forum. Also have a read of who's who at the embassy; again if you find other names post them.

Good luck and remeber to be patient; it sounds as though your application was a good one. We all make mistakes, but we don't need to beat our self up for our mistakes. Remain positive.

[MsFreddles]

Hi guys! ... I'm Freddles' girlfriend. My boyfriend seemed to be an angry boy in this forum. I would like apologize you for this. I gave my boyfriend this website because ... first I thought, it might help my boyfriend overcome stress and sadness... but ... now I think I did a big mistake!! .. it makes my boyfriend and I become more stress. (The more we consume information, the more we go crazy....especially when everything is out of our hands!) Anyway, thanks for everyone suggestions

We didnt not rush in applying for a fiance' visa. We both discussed the best way to keep me in Oz long long time ago (also with the immigration lawer in Australia). I hold a master degree but I cant apply for skill-based PR because my couse length is only 1.5 years. (the requirment is at least 2 years course). For spouse visa, we are not sure either whether we will get it because we have very few evidence that ensure our relationship is genuine! (also the lawyer said spouse visa is easily to be rejected if we lack of strong evidence)... so, we had to cut off both choices. Finally, we decided to get a fiance' and marry in the middle of next year because we thought this way might be the easiest way to help us to stay together again. What we concern is the way we wrote statement about relationship and what I tell to my case officer on the interview day. These might make the immigration do not believe in our relationship (if they interpret what we tell them wrong haha) ... but ... anyway, it is too late to fix what we have done now

Anyway, I'm still confident that I would be able to get a fiance' visa, according to my qualifications, financial status, and all evidence I provided to the embassy. (I thought I give them more than they need to know... eg. they want only evidence that I met my boyfriend personally, but I show them that I have been living with him more than 2 years now) ... So, it should be alright, shouldnt it????? hahaaa.... More than other things, I'm definitely not a bar or uneducated, or extreamely poor girl!!!! who will ask money (welfare) from the australian goverment!! .. So, why wont the embassy grant me a visa to return to my boyfriend??? Is that right???, everyone (including my Freddles)

We will wait until I get the result from the embassy... If my application is not succeed, I will return to this website and bother your suggestions again... Thank you so much for everyone help!

[aussiestyle1983]

(I thought I give them more than they need to know... eg. they want only evidence that I met my boyfriend personally,

What does this mean?

Does the embassy only recognise relationships were both parties met personally ( face to face ) ?

I think your application will be ok, but if it gets rejected, you can always appeal. Many appeals have been successfull as well, so a rejected application does not mean its the end of the road. You have other options.

[Maizefarmer]

Hi guys! ... I'm Freddles' girlfriend. My boyfriend seemed to be an angry boy in this forum. I would like apologize you for this. I gave my boyfriend this website because ... first I thought, it might help my boyfriend overcome stress and sadness... but ... now I think I did a big mistake!! .. it makes my boyfriend and I become more stress. (The more we consume information, the more we go crazy....especially when everything is out of our hands!) Anyway, thanks for everyone suggestions

We didnt not rush in applying for a fiance' visa. We both discussed the best way to keep me in Oz long long time ago (also with the immigration lawer in Australia). I hold a master degree but I cant apply for skill-based PR because my couse length is only 1.5 years. (the requirment is at least 2 years course). For spouse visa, we are not sure either whether we will get it because we have very few evidence that ensure our relationship is genuine! (also the lawyer said spouse visa is easily to be rejected if we lack of strong evidence)... so, we had to cut off both choices. Finally, we decided to get a fiance' and marry in the middle of next year because we thought this way might be the easiest way to help us to stay together again. What we concern is the way we wrote statement about relationship and what I tell to my case officer on the interview day. These might make the immigration do not believe in our relationship (if they interpret what we tell them wrong haha) ... but ... anyway, it is too late to fix what we have done now

Anyway, I'm still confident that I would be able to get a fiance' visa, according to my qualifications, financial status, and all evidence I provided to the embassy. (I thought I give them more than they need to know... eg. they want only evidence that I met my boyfriend personally, but I show them that I have been living with him more than 2 years now) ... So, it should be alright, shouldnt it????? hahaaa.... More than other things, I'm definitely not a bar or uneducated, or extreamely poor girl!!!! who will ask money (welfare) from the australian goverment!! .. So, why wont the embassy grant me a visa to return to my boyfriend??? Is that right???, everyone (including my Freddles)

We will wait until I get the result from the embassy... If my application is not succeed, I will return to this website and bother your suggestions again... Thank you so much for everyone help!

The way that english is written and the words used versus the spelling errors, just doesnt seem to go together - it suggests 2 very different language abilities from same the person.

Possibility that Mr & Mrs F are one and the same?

Tim

[aussiestyle1983]

Hi guys! ... I'm Freddles' girlfriend. My boyfriend seemed to be an angry boy in this forum. I would like apologize you for this. I gave my boyfriend this website because ... first I thought, it might help my boyfriend overcome stress and sadness... but ... now I think I did a big mistake!! .. it makes my boyfriend and I become more stress. (The more we consume information, the more we go crazy....especially when everything is out of our hands!) Anyway, thanks for everyone suggestions

We didnt not rush in applying for a fiance' visa. We both discussed the best way to keep me in Oz long long time ago (also with the immigration lawer in Australia). I hold a master degree but I cant apply for skill-based PR because my couse length is only 1.5 years. (the requirment is at least 2 years course). For spouse visa, we are not sure either whether we will get it because we have very few evidence that ensure our relationship is genuine! (also the lawyer said spouse visa is easily to be rejected if we lack of strong evidence)... so, we had to cut off both choices. Finally, we decided to get a fiance' and marry in the middle of next year because we thought this way might be the easiest way to help us to stay together again. What we concern is the way we wrote statement about relationship and what I tell to my case officer on the interview day. These might make the immigration do not believe in our relationship (if they interpret what we tell them wrong haha) ... but ... anyway, it is too late to fix what we have done now

Anyway, I'm still confident that I would be able to get a fiance' visa, according to my qualifications, financial status, and all evidence I provided to the embassy. (I thought I give them more than they need to know... eg. they want only evidence that I met my boyfriend personally, but I show them that I have been living with him more than 2 years now) ... So, it should be alright, shouldnt it????? hahaaa.... More than other things, I'm definitely not a bar or uneducated, or extreamely poor girl!!!! who will ask money (welfare) from the australian goverment!! .. So, why wont the embassy grant me a visa to return to my boyfriend??? Is that right???, everyone (including my Freddles)

We will wait until I get the result from the embassy... If my application is not succeed, I will return to this website and bother your suggestions again... Thank you so much for everyone help!

The way that english is written and the words used versus the spelling errors, just doesnt seem to go together - it suggests 2 very different language abilities from same the person.

Possibility that Mr & Mrs F are one and the same?

Tim

Are you suggesting that we may be dealing with a ( Thai phrase- "two in one" ?)

[MsFreddles]

haha ... you are too smart!! .. I'm not my boyfriend (who are english speaker) ... so you must found heaps of error in my message. I was just watching my boyfriend to communicate with you guys but .. it seems getting more serious .. so I decided come to join.

I think I missed out some information (because I typed my message in English but think in Thai language) sorrry !!!

As I read in the booklet, it said .. one requirement is an application and sponsor must met each other personally at least once time .. not only contact over the internet only

[aussiestyle1983]

Well, if for some reason the application gets rejected, yall could just both come back to Thailand together and be English teachers!

With your MA and your combined English and Thai skills you would be able to earn at least 30,000 per month, while mr. Freddles could earn between 35,000-50,000.

That wouldnt be so bad.......................

[MsFreddles]

yeah... it is also our the last option

Anyway, I would prefer Mr Freddles to stay in Australia because he plans to come back to uni shortly (after he has quitted uni for me almost 2 years). I dont want to ruin his future. If he stays with me in BKK, he might be in trouble with getting a job... You should know that most of the company or even language centres in Thailand look at the degree first!... (it is not a good thing, isnt it)

I'm happy to wait and work in Bangkok for a while and try to apply for a spouse visa again.

anyway... let's wait for the result. ... I might get a visa ... Who knows!! haha

Hey hey ... for any couples needed to have an interview for spouse/fiance' visa. Make sure your girl know your details very well .. I got many surprise questions from my case officer, which almost killed me!! .... for example,

what does my bf dislike?

what are my bf's hobbies?

what time does my bf usaully get up?

how many hours my bf work each day?

what type of job is my bf woking for?

what do my bf and I usually do together?

what is your bf's presents for last birthday/chrismas?

what did I do for my bf's last birthday?

how is relationship between my bf's family and me?

how long have I been together with my bf?

When do we decide to get marriage? (the one I forgot haha)

.... and hundred more questions that I cant remember....

Edited October 23, 2006 by MsFreddles

[freddles]

(I thought I give them more than they need to know... eg. they want only evidence that I met my boyfriend personally,

What does this mean?

Does the embassy only recognise relationships were both parties met personally ( face to face ) ?

I think your application will be ok, but if it gets rejected, you can always appeal. Many appeals have been successfull as well, so a rejected application does not mean its the end of the road. You have other options.

For the fiance visa, you need to have met in person, and i believe it's also a requirement that it was in Australia that the meeting happened. It doesn't give any specific amount of time that you need to have been together, and i'm pretty sure it isn't even required that you have lived together... but obviously that all helps massively to show that it's a committed relationship.

Does it cost to do an appeal?

also, to Maizefarmer, you've got to be joking, right? Do you wear a tinfoil hat by any chance?

Though i don't think this site posts the ip addresses of the posters like other sites i use, so i doubt theres any way for me to prove it to you... but no, we are two different people.

Edit: by the way, whatever gave you the impression that spelling ability and grammatical ability correlate so closely? If you've tried studying any foreign language, you'd realise that one is far harder than the other for a non-native, especially with spellcheckers and dictionaries and whatnot.

Edited October 23, 2006 by freddles

[aussiestyle1983]

Im pretty sure an appel does not cost money, because it is still part of the visa application process ( you are appealing on a decision made against an application you have already paid for )

An appeal is also a right you have if your visa gets refused.

Off topic : Freddles could earn at least 50,000 THB per month, without a degree and without a TEFL.

[MsFreddles]

Im pretty sure an appel does not cost money, because it is still part of the visa application process ( you are appealing on a decision made against an application you have already paid for )

An appeal is also a right you have if your visa gets refused.

Off topic : Freddles could earn at least 50,000 THB per month, without a degree and without a TEFL.

Oh!!!!!!!!!!! ... REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAALLLYYYY... so I should change my mind ... I will bring Freddles back to Bangkok instead hehe... (but I wont work and ask him money every month!!!)

[freddles]

Im pretty sure an appel does not cost money, because it is still part of the visa application process ( you are appealing on a decision made against an application you have already paid for )

An appeal is also a right you have if your visa gets refused.

Off topic : Freddles could earn at least 50,000 THB per month, without a degree and without a TEFL.

Thats still pretty on-topic, especially in light of where this thread was going anyway. We've (i've) already decided that if it's rejected i'lll go over there, Thailand is a far more interesting place than here anyway. Anyway... what sort of job would give me at least 50000 thaibaht, thats only a relatively small difference from what i'm already getting, and the cost of living there is much less...

If it weren't for uni next year, i'd change my mind and go there right now (they don't teach the course i want to do in thailand).

[gburns57au]

- How long does this decision making usually take?

as long as it takes

so why bother answering?

- If they want an AOS, would they have contacted me already?

Yes

Thank you for this answer, but considering the rest of the post... on what basis do you say that? I haven't read it anywhere.

As long as it takes.........The reason I answered in that way is because it is the decision of the Embassy...there is no set time as each application is different.

They will request an AOS before it goes for a final decision....they wont send an application for a a final decision unless the application is complete...there is a guideline for an AOS to be requested regarding the income of the sponsor...but generally if you have a reasonable paying job then you wont have a worry.

Remember we cannot give exact answers because all applications are different...we can only give at best, estimates based on our own and others experiences.