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http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/gop_pres_primary/

Real Clear Politics has the Donald well ahead of Cruz in 5 polls.

It's beginning to look like a done deal, or at least the nomination is Trump's to lose.

Nah. He doesn't nearly have 50 % of republicans.

His percentage will change with each drop out. The Democrats only have one Democrat and one Independent in their campaign so it is simple to figure.

A tad harder with six candidates.

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Except Trump is also appealing to Democrats who are fed up with business as usual, lost jobs, and politicians being bought by special interest groups and even foreign entities. If Trump wins big in SC, he'll "run the table" as he says. After that it will be child's play to defeat either a jailbird or a bum.

SC is not that important. The longer Trump campaigns, the more the voters with a modicum of common sense will turn off to him. In the past 2 days he has suffered 2 set-backs, both of his own doing. 2 days ago it was talk of suing Cruz because Cruz had an attack ad which showed some video footage of Trump supporting women's right to choose what's right for their own bodies. It made Trump angry because during the primaries, the Reps are trying to appeal to right-wingers. In contrast, when the Reps pick a candidate, that person will try to appeal to the general public, so he will have to be kinder, more reasonable, less of a dick-head.

The 2nd set-back for Trump in the past 2 days is his clash with the Pope. Any reasonable observer will see that as further proof that Trump is not qualified to interact with world leaders. He's a hate-you or love-you guy who is very defensive (borderline paranoic), very quick to anger and name-calling. Is that what Americans want in the top seat? Well, maybe some rednecks (5% of the populace), but few others.

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Except Trump is also appealing to Democrats who are fed up with business as usual, lost jobs, and politicians being bought by special interest groups and even foreign entities. If Trump wins big in SC, he'll "run the table" as he says. After that it will be child's play to defeat either a jailbird or a bum.

SC is not that important. The longer Trump campaigns, the more the voters with a modicum of common sense will turn off to him. In the past 2 days he has suffered 2 set-backs, both of his own doing. 2 days ago it was talk of suing Cruz because Cruz had an attack ad which showed some video footage of Trump supporting women's right to choose what's right for their own bodies. It made Trump angry because during the primaries, the Reps are trying to appeal to right-wingers. In contrast, when the Reps pick a candidate, that person will try to appeal to the general public, so he will have to be kinder, more reasonable, less of a dick-head.

The 2nd set-back for Trump in the past 2 days is his clash with the Pope. Any reasonable observer will see that as further proof that Trump is not qualified to interact with world leaders. He's a hate-you or love-you guy who is very defensive (borderline paranoic), very quick to anger and name-calling. Is that what Americans want in the top seat? Well, maybe some rednecks (5% of the populace), but few others.

Well exactly and that's why the tide needs to change. No bum licking to the Pope. Remember in WWII the pope and Hitler were good 'friends' and try to find yourself some info and pics of the Illuminati Bush clan on audience and getting browny points. Sick pigs.

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Big difference being A conservative and A liberal.A conservative would never elect someone being investigated by the FBI.

A liberal don't care.And sanders saying change,raise taxes even more on wealthy people.When he takes all their money what does he do next?he states free college. No program is free.The money will come from the average tax payer.19 trillion the US national

Debt and counting.

Don't know any candidate in the race in either party being investigated by the FBI so the post is off the wall.

Apparently in Raphael Edward "Ted" Cruz very conservative Republicans will vote for a Canadian born joker for potus. Donald Trump doesn't like a Canadian for potus but at the same time sounds like another Canadian, Michael Moore when Trump talks about GW Bush, which makes Trump right on at least one issue.

It is accurate as Jingthing posted Trump is a long way from the 50% he needs to prevail in the Republican party nominating contest, whether it's in raw votes or in slick delegates. Trump is maxed out in the mid-30s percentile of the party.

Worse for Trump It's gonna be a race to the August national convention among Trump, Cruz, Rubio. Bush voters aren't going to go to Trump or Cruz; neither will Kasich voters go for either Trump or Cruz. Carson voters will split between Trump and Cruz which advances neither. Rubio stands to benefit from the inevitable further dropouts, not Trump.

There's an old saying about not counting your chickens before they're hatched. And when these guys hatch, it'll be one flew east and one flew west and one flew over the cuckoo's nest.

Don't doubt it either cause unless it's Rubio, November is going to be a massive twisting and mangling train wreck for the Republican party. If it's Rubio, he'll simply lose hands down instead of getting blown out the way Trump or Cruz would be.

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Speaking of 'train wreck,' here's what will happen at the Republican convention. One man will come out of the mosh pit as the least tattered. Maybe he'll just have an eye hanging out, and an arm gnawed to the bone. All Republican delegates will dutifully rally around the least despicable one. They'll cheer, they'll smile, they'll roar their approval (sounds like the last man standing at a Roman Colosseum bash). They'll have $42,000 worth of red white and blue balloons and ticker tape falling from the ceiling. They may even have a surprise VP announcement, like Sarah Palin, for added circus appeal. Then, a few months later, that candidate will lose to Hillary or Bernie. Republicans will be bitter as ever, but at least they will have had a party (fiddling while Rome burns). And then they'll patch up their attack & lies machinery, and go full tilt after the winner for the next 8 years.

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Jeb Bush has quit the campaign.

Which is good for the Republican party cause Trump advanced himself from very early on by opposing and hammering Bush as a candidate in this election campaign. Trump played the anti-establishment card best by hammering Bush and most recently GW for "lieing" about wmd in Iraq.

Bush wuz Trump's foil and advanced Trump more than any other candidate. Without Jeb Trump will have to find a new political jerk to play against.

John Ellis "Jeb" Bush gets his just desserts as does the now defunct disastrous Bush Dy-nasty. Good riddance to the worst family in in the history of American politics, the Bush Bunch.

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http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/gop_pres_primary/

Real Clear Politics has the Donald well ahead of Cruz in 5 polls.

It's beginning to look like a done deal, or at least the nomination is Trump's to lose.

You're exactly right, thaibeachlovers. Now that Trump has won SC as expected, he's going to run the table. After that he'll easily beat Hillary Clinton if she's not in jail, or Bum Sanders if she is. Trump will seal the deal mid-March.

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http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/gop_pres_primary/

Real Clear Politics has the Donald well ahead of Cruz in 5 polls.

It's beginning to look like a done deal, or at least the nomination is Trump's to lose.

You're exactly right, thaibeachlovers. Now that Trump has won SC as expected, he's going to run the table. After that he'll easily beat Hillary Clinton if she's not in jail, or Bum Sanders if she is. Yes, it's a done deal.

In US politics, the primaries are very different from the actual election. Nothing is a "done deal".

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Trump has won S. Carolina BIG. Votes still being counted but he's way up. All major news media calling him the winner. This was supposed to be Bush's playground but word has it that he's dropping out. LINK

PS No one has ever won both NH and SC and not gotten the nomination. Trump has won both of those big.

I can't wait to see him take on that bale of hay Hillary if she gets the Dem nomination via their crooked and fixed process.

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Jeb Bush has quit the campaign.

Which is good for the Republican party cause Trump advanced himself from very early on by opposing and hammering Bush as a candidate in this election campaign. Trump played the anti-establishment card best by hammering Bush and most recently GW for "lieing" about wmd in Iraq.

Bush wuz Trump's foil and advanced Trump more than any other candidate. Without Jeb Trump will have to find a new political jerk to play against.

John Ellis "Jeb" Bush gets his just desserts as does the now defunct disastrous Bush Dy-nasty. Good riddance to the worst family in in the history of American politics, the Bush Bunch.

Trump attacks everyone who doesn't profess adulation toward him. He attacked Cruz also - Trump kept interrupting Cruz and yellling, "he's the biggest liar!!!" (As an equal-opportunity bully, Trump kept doing that with Bush also). I don't like Cruz's policy proposals, but I like how Cruz is tough enough to stand up to the big buffoon. I'm surprised Bush dropped out. I'm also surprised Carson didn't drop out months ago. Oh well, this campaign season is full of surprises. Actually, Bush dropping out could help Kasich more than the other clowns. Kasich and Bush were the only non-rednecks. Kasich's drawback is he doesn't have a multi-million dollar war chest like the others.

Expect Trump to focus his venom on Cruz and Rubio, continually shouting, interrupting, and calling them 'the biggest liars!' Yup, there are actually a lot of people who want a bully like that running America. It's fascinating theater. It reminds me of the first Robo-Cop movie. I think there were more bullets shot (25 per second?) during the entire film, than any other movie. Did Trump write that script?

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http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/gop_pres_primary/

Real Clear Politics has the Donald well ahead of Cruz in 5 polls.

It's beginning to look like a done deal, or at least the nomination is Trump's to lose.

Nah. He doesn't nearly have 50 % of republicans.

His percentage will change with each drop out. The Democrats only have one Democrat and one Independent in their campaign so it is simple to figure.

A tad harder with six candidates.

It just got a lot easier with five.

Care to speculate what percentage of Jeb's supporters in the states will support Trump? Maybe one percent. One point five percent. Probably fewer.

Been counting chickens I see you have.

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http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/gop_pres_primary/

Real Clear Politics has the Donald well ahead of Cruz in 5 polls.

It's beginning to look like a done deal, or at least the nomination is Trump's to lose.

You're exactly right, thaibeachlovers. Now that Trump has won SC as expected, he's going to run the table. After that he'll easily beat Hillary Clinton if she's not in jail, or Bum Sanders if she is. Yes, it's a done deal.

In US politics, the primaries are very different from the actual election. Nothing is a "done deal".

Normally I would agree with you, but this time it's different. The only way anyone will stop Trump will be by assassination, and I wouldn't put it past the Clinton crowd.

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http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/gop_pres_primary/

Real Clear Politics has the Donald well ahead of Cruz in 5 polls.

It's beginning to look like a done deal, or at least the nomination is Trump's to lose.

You're exactly right, thaibeachlovers. Now that Trump has won SC as expected, he's going to run the table. After that he'll easily beat Hillary Clinton if she's not in jail, or Bum Sanders if she is. Trump will seal the deal mid-March.

How to win a South Carolina primary:

1. Insult the Pope

2. Boycott a massive well liked company

3. Lie about your war support

4. Endorse torture

Please baby Jesus, let Trump run the table. Mid-march would be perfect.

Easily beat Clinton or Bum Sanders. cheesy.gif

You gotta love these poor delusional lost souls. I can't wait for the tears and cries of "wha happen?" coming this November to a red state near you.

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http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/gop_pres_primary/

Real Clear Politics has the Donald well ahead of Cruz in 5 polls.

It's beginning to look like a done deal, or at least the nomination is Trump's to lose.

Nah. He doesn't nearly have 50 % of republicans.

His percentage will change with each drop out. The Democrats only have one Democrat and one Independent in their campaign so it is simple to figure.

A tad harder with six candidates.

It just got a lot easier with five.

Care to speculate what percentage of Jeb's supporters in the states will support Trump? Maybe one percent. One point five percent. Probably fewer.

Been counting chickens I see you have.

Don't worry. They're hatched.

BTW, Trump picked up 38 of SC's 50 delegates. He's way ahead now in the primary.

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http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/gop_pres_primary/

Real Clear Politics has the Donald well ahead of Cruz in 5 polls.

It's beginning to look like a done deal, or at least the nomination is Trump's to lose.

You're exactly right, thaibeachlovers. Now that Trump has won SC as expected, he's going to run the table. After that he'll easily beat Hillary Clinton if she's not in jail, or Bum Sanders if she is. Trump will seal the deal mid-March.

How to win a South Carolina primary:

1. Insult the Pope

-snip-

Trump didn't insult the Pope. The Pope insulted him. About the wall. While the Pope lives behind guarded walls and doesn't let immigrants in.

Trump showed his class. He literally forgave the Pope for "misunderstanding" because the Pope had been in Mexico listening to those people. Trump said that the Pope simply "didn't understand" the problems with drugs and gangs. Trump was very, very, good and the issue went away.

Trump has negotiated his way into countless big deals with politicians at the state and city hall, with bankers, real estate people, big companies that lease from him, etc. etc. He's negotiated those landmines and he can take care of himself just fine, thank you.

Cheers.

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If nothing else, the establishment politicians should be getting the message that people are sick and tired of business as usual. Sick of politicians who are unable to balance a checkbook and who keep the printing presses constantly running printing funny money. Lucrative welfare schemes that keep professional welfare leeches sitting watching big screen TV's and talking on their iPhones while fruit and vegetables rot because no one is willing to harvest them. Phony unemployment numbers that don't count welfare people. If unemployed people were all counted we would see that that number is closer to 30 percent than 5 percent. I have always considered Trump as a buffoon but now we have to take him seriously. This huge government is riddled with useless political appointees, untold numbers of czars and useless unproductive committees. Billions of wasted dollars spent by meddling in the Middle East and making a bad situation even worse. Maybe a new broom will sweep clean.

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http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/gop_pres_primary/

Real Clear Politics has the Donald well ahead of Cruz in 5 polls.

It's beginning to look like a done deal, or at least the nomination is Trump's to lose.

You're exactly right, thaibeachlovers. Now that Trump has won SC as expected, he's going to run the table. After that he'll easily beat Hillary Clinton if she's not in jail, or Bum Sanders if she is. Yes, it's a done deal.

In US politics, the primaries are very different from the actual election. Nothing is a "done deal".

Normally I would agree with you, but this time it's different. The only way anyone will stop Trump will be by assassination, and I wouldn't put it past the Clinton crowd.

Rightwing spam.

Irresponsible extremist pulp.

Reprehensible statement about "the Clinton crowd" by the crackpot chorus.

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This thread is about the phony polls that showed Trump falling behind. He just instead kicked ass on everyone else and proved these wishful thinkers wrong. LINK

There appear to be a number of wishful thinkers on this site who are going to have to learn how to say "President Trump".

Why don't the Mouths That RoaredTM on TVF just get used to what's happening before their eyes? Hillary can barely pull out a win against a tired old socialist and she'll flatten out like a pancake if she has to meet Trump.

Cheers.

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Trump has negotiated his way into countless big deals with politicians at the state and city hall, with bankers, real estate people, big companies that lease from him, etc. etc. He's negotiated those landmines and he can take care of himself just fine, thank you. Cheers.

He has negotiated his way around several bankruptcies, shouting at bankers, "you can't foreclose on me. I'm too big!"

Yes, Trump rubs shoulders with big shots who, like him, lust after amassing wealth, but those are about .02% of the people who will vote in November. The majority of American voters are struggling to make ends meet, and they don't like being called 'losers' due to the fact they're not rich.

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Trump has negotiated his way into countless big deals with politicians at the state and city hall, with bankers, real estate people, big companies that lease from him, etc. etc. He's negotiated those landmines and he can take care of himself just fine, thank you. Cheers.

He has negotiated his way around several bankruptcies, shouting at bankers, "you can't foreclose on me. I'm too big!"

Yes, Trump rubs shoulders with big shots who, like him, lust after amassing wealth, but those are about .02% of the people who will vote in November. The majority of American voters are struggling to make ends meet, and they don't like being called 'losers' due to the fact they're not rich.

"you can't foreclose on me. I'm too big!"

Is that anything like...

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"No bank too big to fail, no individual TOO BIG TO JAIL"

H. Clinton, 2016

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My guess would be that Trump has been to more state dinners than the current president. I expect he can handle the niceties of being president.

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It just got a lot easier with five.

Care to speculate what percentage of Jeb's supporters in the states will support Trump? Maybe one percent. One point five percent. Probably fewer.

Been counting chickens I see you have.

Trump will pick up more than his share of every contender who drops out. These voters are Republicans and they want to win. If they haven't had enough of supporting losers so far, they soon will. They will rally around the winner until Trump has 100% of the voters when all have dropped out.

Cheers.

PS This thread is about Trump supposedly dropping to second place. So much for the pundits.

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http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/gop_pres_primary/

Real Clear Politics has the Donald well ahead of Cruz in 5 polls.

It's beginning to look like a done deal, or at least the nomination is Trump's to lose.

You're exactly right, thaibeachlovers. Now that Trump has won SC as expected, he's going to run the table. After that he'll easily beat Hillary Clinton if she's not in jail, or Bum Sanders if she is. Trump will seal the deal mid-March.

Among the three, Trump, Cruz, Rubio, the Donald is maxed out in the mid 30s percentile. Each Rubio and Cruz are beginning to average out at a fifth to a quarter, i.e., 20%-25%. It is likely to stay that way among the three for a while --a long while, through March and beyond.

Voters of Bush, Kasich, Cruz, Rubio can support any one of 'em as the nominee, but few can support Trump. The vast number of Trump voters support only Trump. They would not support any Republican party establishment nominee. Carson voters are far more likely to support Trump than an establishment candidate.

Trump as the nominee could win some Reagan Democrats but to no effect as that would not be anywhere near enough to win any state for him, Blue states especially where the base of R votes is low and weak to begin with.

Trump has no future as the Republican nominee cause the votes aren't there from either party or among Independent voters to carry him through the general election. Trump can't win the presidency by carrying 12 or 15 states in the South and West with small Electoral College votes to begin with. The only big EC state Trump might or possibly could win is Texas --not Florida, not Ohio, not Pennsylvania, not New York state, not California, not Illinois, not New Jersey, not Michigan etc etc.

The Republican party would do better in the general election with the pope as their nominee. He'd get more Democrats than Reagan did.

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Trump has negotiated his way into countless big deals with politicians at the state and city hall, with bankers, real estate people, big companies that lease from him, etc. etc. He's negotiated those landmines and he can take care of himself just fine, thank you. Cheers.

He has negotiated his way around several bankruptcies, shouting at bankers, "you can't foreclose on me. I'm too big!"

Yes, Trump rubs shoulders with big shots who, like him, lust after amassing wealth, but those are about .02% of the people who will vote in November. The majority of American voters are struggling to make ends meet, and they don't like being called 'losers' due to the fact they're not rich.

^^^ Trump just keeps winning. Big.

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http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/gop_pres_primary/

Real Clear Politics has the Donald well ahead of Cruz in 5 polls.

It's beginning to look like a done deal, or at least the nomination is Trump's to lose.

You're exactly right, thaibeachlovers. Now that Trump has won SC as expected, he's going to run the table. After that he'll easily beat Hillary Clinton if she's not in jail, or Bum Sanders if she is. Trump will seal the deal mid-March.

How to win a South Carolina primary:

1. Insult the Pope

-snip-

Trump didn't insult the Pope. The Pope insulted him. About the wall. While the Pope lives behind guarded walls and doesn't let immigrants in.

Trump showed his class. He literally forgave the Pope for "misunderstanding" because the Pope had been in Mexico listening to those people. Trump said that the Pope simply "didn't understand" the problems with drugs and gangs. Trump was very, very, good and the issue went away.

Trump has negotiated his way into countless big deals with politicians at the state and city hall, with bankers, real estate people, big companies that lease from him, etc. etc. He's negotiated those landmines and he can take care of himself just fine, thank you.

Cheers.

the Pope lives behind guarded walls and doesn't let immigrants in.

The Vatican is the size of Central Park in Manhattan.

Not much room there for anyone, much less even a couple of immigrants.

Hey, the pope himself is an immigrant in the Vatican given he's from Argentina.

Lotsa other immigrants there too called cardinals, bishops, monsignors, regular priests from all around and about the globe. The percentage of immigrants and foreign passport holders (clergy) in the Vatican is probably higher than there are immigrants in New York and its five boroughs. wink.png

Only Londonistan or France might have a greater percentage per capita of immigrants than the Vatican. gigglem.gif

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He has negotiated his way around several bankruptcies, shouting at bankers, "you can't foreclose on me. I'm too big!" -snip-

Why does this silly and false story keep getting repeated? Trump has never gone bankrupt. He has, as a lot of investors including hedge funds do, bought companies that are poorly run and broke. He turns them around and makes money which takes a lot of talent.

The business is bankrupt before he buys it but it just hasn't filed. He takes it through Chapter 11 bankruptcy which is the type of bankruptcy that saves the company, the landlord's tenant and the employee's jobs. The losers if any are big banks that shouldn't have made the loans in the first place and remember, it wasn't Trump who borrowed the money. They weren't his loans.

It takes a lot of talent and knowledge to turn a loser around and make it profitable and he's done it a number of times. The guy has the Midas touch when it comes to running a business.

Cheers.

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Trump has negotiated his way into countless big deals with politicians at the state and city hall, with bankers, real estate people, big companies that lease from him, etc. etc. He's negotiated those landmines and he can take care of himself just fine, thank you. Cheers.

He has negotiated his way around several bankruptcies, shouting at bankers, "you can't foreclose on me. I'm too big!"

Yes, Trump rubs shoulders with big shots who, like him, lust after amassing wealth, but those are about .02% of the people who will vote in November. The majority of American voters are struggling to make ends meet, and they don't like being called 'losers' due to the fact they're not rich.

^^^ Trump just keeps winning. Big.

Trump got 33 percent of the R party vote in South Carolina. While he won by 10 percentage points, 33% of the total vote is not big.

There are several wild cards and Ben Carson is one. If Carson pulls out the conventional wisdom is Cruz benefits. (I think Trump benefits, but let's go with the conventional wisdom.) Carson out and his voters going to Cruz would keep Trump in the mid 30s percentile and increase Cruz's percentage of the vote in each state. Carson won't pull out however cause he keeps getting bucks and he wants a big speech at the national convention in August to help sell more of his asinine books.

Kasich is another wild card. If Kasich pulls out, the wisdom is Rubio benefits. Kasich is determined to hang in there to March 15 when Ohio votes, but it's unlikely he'll be able to keep at it. He's on the ballot in Ohio as the favorite son governor whether he's still in the race or not. Kasich voters however won't go to Trump or Cruz. Only Rubio. If so, Trump loses again cause he still has his iron ceiling.

Bush voters will not vote for Trump no matter what. Rubio gets that benefit; Kasich somewhat too. The bottom line is the fewer votes Trump inherits and the more Rubio and Cruz inherit, the less likely Trump can go into the August nominating convention with it in the bag. It then would be a convention fight among Trump, Rubio, Cruz.

In short the country is looking at a Republican circular firing squad convention event. Very bloody. Breaks my heart. biggrin.png

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He has negotiated his way around several bankruptcies, shouting at bankers, "you can't foreclose on me. I'm too big!" -snip-

Why does this silly and false story keep getting repeated? Trump has never gone bankrupt. He has, as a lot of investors including hedge funds do, bought companies that are poorly run and broke. He turns them around and makes money which takes a lot of talent.

The business is bankrupt before he buys it but it just hasn't filed. He takes it through Chapter 11 bankruptcy which is the type of bankruptcy that saves the company, the landlord's tenant and the employee's jobs. The losers if any are big banks that shouldn't have made the loans in the first place and remember, it wasn't Trump who borrowed the money. They weren't his loans.

It takes a lot of talent and knowledge to turn a loser around and make it profitable and he's done it a number of times. The guy has the Midas touch when it comes to running a business.

Cheers.

No matter.

NYT is looking into Trump's real estate and other dealings in New York with the Mafia. This is real. People who want to talk about possible indictments and jail in the campaign would need to put Trump into the mix of it. Trump is sure he already looks good with orange so it wouldn't be much of a change for him would it. Another Teflon Don. Talk about US government walls...

New York state attorney general has already won his court case against Trump University for defrauding students. It's on appeal by Trump with a decision due within the next 90 dayze.

There's a lot more where these items come from so bankruptcies of any kind begin to look like a pile-on rather than a marginal nuisance.

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