arjunadawn Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 In the beginning of Trump's run for office I disliked him least of all the options. In time I became neutral. Now, today, as I look across the world at all the forces and mouthpieces aligning to protest Trump and scream "the sky is falling" if Trump is elected I realize I have come to like Trump. When all the forces that represent what is worst in the world, what is failed, what is contrived, what is social/communist engineering, redistributionist, fiat economics, opportunist, divisive, relativist, European Socialist, oppressive and culturally debauched, and of barbarian ideology, come out to protest Trump, they give clarity to those like me. Previously Trump seemed intuitive, now he seems self-evident! If a man can be measured by his enemies than Trump circumscribes the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stillbornagain Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 In the beginning of Trump's run for office I disliked him least of all the options. In time I became neutral. Now, today, as I look across the world at all the forces and mouthpieces aligning to protest Trump and scream "the sky is falling" if Trump is elected I realize I have come to like Trump. When all the forces that represent what is worst in the world, what is failed, what is contrived, what is social/communist engineering, redistributionist, fiat economics, opportunist, divisive, relativist, European Socialist, oppressive and culturally debauched, and of barbarian ideology, come out to protest Trump, they give clarity to those like me. Previously Trump seemed intuitive, now he seems self-evident! If a man can be measured by his enemies than Trump circumscribes the world. You left Obamacare off your enemies list. Grrrr...evil Obamacare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NovaBlue05 Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 All this wasted energy angst over Trump. The same paymasters own and operate both parties. They don't care which one wins as long as a handpicked candidate is in place to keep the gravy train on the rails. There is no way they are going to let Trump get nominated and run the risk of upsetting the status quo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
up-country_sinclair Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 How do they stop him if gets 1237 delegates? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NovaBlue05 Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 How do they stop him if gets 1237 delegates? They keep him from getting 1237 They're Politicians right? They do what comes naturally...... lie, cheat and steal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
up-country_sinclair Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 That's a nice bumper sticker, but how about offering some specifics? How can he be stopped from getting the nomination if he cons his way to 1237 delegates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogNo1 Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 It seems that many voters are discouraged by Democratic blundering and Republican intransigence. Politics are more emotional than they are cerebral. Either Bernie or Donald would provide a refreshing change in the politics in America. Remember history! Intellectual Germans didn't understand the depth of the volks discouragement and frustration that led them to vote to give absolute power to Adolf Hitler. Many thought that Hindenburg and others in the chancellery would be able to restrain Hitler. Emotions won the day. I predict that they will again in America. And anyone who thinks that politics in America have been clean and rational hasn't studied the history. Let's not despair. We do have checks and balances built into the American system of governance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NovaBlue05 Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 That's a nice bumper sticker, but how about offering some specifics? How can he be stopped from getting the nomination if he cons his way to 1237 delegates. At this point, I probably have more faith in the belief that the machine has built in mechanisms to handle these eventualities than I do the notion that the people actually choose their leaders Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulic Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 As an outsider looking in....If Trump should get the nomination when he faces up to a real politician in Clinton certainly in policy she will cut him to ribbons, she don't have the razzamatazz like the golden boy what she has is real experience in government and for us watching this circus we all hope the Trump does not make president. LOL you are too funny. Watch and learn. Im not being funny I'm concerned for the future....That showman who thinks this campaign is an extension of one of his reality shows is a dead set tragedy and the clowns that vote for him are telling the rest of the world start building bomb shelters in your back yard.... Personally I think you are listening too much to the huff and puff of Trump. He gets along well with his ex-wives, his kids have been successful with there silver spoons, (unlike many) He hires many immigrants/migrants, his business practices are pretty standard (slippery). No worse than Romney's vulture capital firm that leveraged as much as possible out of companies making hundreds of millions and leaving most bankrupt but the Romney and Co. got paid. He hires a diverse staff, so is by no means a racist. Yes he comes across as an egotistical over the top buffoon. But that is his shtick. He sells over the top opulence, the American dream. He can make deals, he does bring people together. I don't think he is nearly as rich as he says, (that is why the tax forms will come out as late as possible) He has been on his ass before, (way under water financially) but as they say, "never let them see you sweat". He has dug himself out of those holes. As for bomb shelters, if Cruz wins the presidency you should start building quickly. He is a loony believer and would love to trigger the rapture. Cruz is a guy I just can't see defeating HRC. Trump, he will have a very good chance after 8 years of Democrats controlling the White House. Trump has a lot of huff and puff, Cruz is a loony, HRC is a experienced deft politician in an election year where that is seen as a handicap. That said, I don't care for her. America, make your choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iReason Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 "the machine has built in mechanisms to handle these eventualities" Bravo NovaBlue05! You have (reluctantly, I believe) begun to accept reality. I've been saying long ago, the machine will not let it happen. Not saying it's right but, that's the reality. Still a long way to go. They will destroy the bloviator. He is no match for the machine. A babe in the woods... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iReason Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 And then you have guys like arjunadawn who has flipped on a dime, spewing exactly what he claim's to detest. "When all the forces that represent what is worst in the world, what is failed, what is contrived, what is social/communist engineering,redistributionist, fiat economics, opportunist, divisive, relativist, European Socialist, oppressive and culturally debauched, and of barbarian ideology, come out to protest Trump, they give clarity to those like me. Previously Trump seemed intuitive, now he seems self-evident!" Ignorant, simplistic, inflammatory, marginalizing, and indeed divisive rhetoric like some delusional, paranoid preacher. "In the beginning of Trump's run for office I disliked him least of all the options. In time I became neutral. Now, today, as I look across the world at all the forces and mouthpieces aligning to protest Trump and scream "the sky is falling" if Trump is elected I realize I have come to like Trump." Hallelujah! I bee's born again! Truly, laughable. "Principals" grounded in clay... And for the rest of you out there with your partisan labels? The machine loves you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulic Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 No, it's not too late to stop Trump and his know-nothing fanboys. But there are precious few opportunities left. Gov. Kasich and Senator Cruz need to stay in the race and keep Trump under 1237 delegates at all costs. Then it's a whole new ball game, and the party establishment can put together a respectable ticket that has an outside chance of winning. I say outside chance because by November, Trump will have done so much damage to the Republican brand that I don't know if a ticket of Lincoln and Reagan could win. But the most important aspect of getting Trump off the ticket is saving the Senate majority. The slurping Trump fanboys are in complete denial about how vulnerable Republican control of the Senate is. Have Senator Schumer as majority leader with a newly inaugurated President Clinton, and you can bet that they will be stacking the Supreme Court and drastically changing the course of American society. Yes, I know the petulant Trump fanboys will probably try to burn down Cleveland. Let them try. We'll see how tough they are when they're running through clouds of tear gas and dodging rubber bullets. I see it exactly the opposite way. It is the GOP establishment that has/will do the damage to the Republican brand. They promised him a fare and level playing field and fare treatment and since than done nothing but hack away at his shins in an effort to trip him up. In spite of all the establishments attempts he is leading handily and it is Republican campaigning through negative advertising that paints him as the loony that actually Cruz is. If Republicans loose the Senate or Congress, it is the GOP establishment that will have to wear it, but of course they are very adept at shifting the blame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lannarebirth Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 No, it's not too late to stop Trump and his know-nothing fanboys. But there are precious few opportunities left. Gov. Kasich and Senator Cruz need to stay in the race and keep Trump under 1237 delegates at all costs. Then it's a whole new ball game, and the party establishment can put together a respectable ticket that has an outside chance of winning. I say outside chance because by November, Trump will have done so much damage to the Republican brand that I don't know if a ticket of Lincoln and Reagan could win. But the most important aspect of getting Trump off the ticket is saving the Senate majority. The slurping Trump fanboys are in complete denial about how vulnerable Republican control of the Senate is. Have Senator Schumer as majority leader with a newly inaugurated President Clinton, and you can bet that they will be stacking the Supreme Court and drastically changing the course of American society. Yes, I know the petulant Trump fanboys will probably try to burn down Cleveland. Let them try. We'll see how tough they are when they're running through clouds of tear gas and dodging rubber bullets. I see it exactly the opposite way. It is the GOP establishment that has/will do the damage to the Republican brand. They promised him a fare and level playing field and fare treatment and since than done nothing but hack away at his shins in an effort to trip him up. In spite of all the establishments attempts he is leading handily and it is Republican campaigning through negative advertising that paints him as the loony that actually Cruz is. If Republicans loose the Senate or Congress, it is the GOP establishment that will have to wear it, but of course they are very adept at shifting the blame. There really isn't much in the way of a Republican establishment anyway. When Bill Clinton moved the party to the right "the establishment" could choose from either party for its political operatives. That is except for social issues, which can be divisive, but the establishment doesn't care about one way or the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeverSure Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 Lesser of two evils deal with the choice being obvious. Meet President Hillary Rodham Clinton, dudes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicog Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 No-one else noticed that Carson has dropped Trump in the shit by essentially announcing that he's broken federal law? http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2016/03/15/3760261/carson-offered-position-by-trump/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeverSure Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 Hillary hasn't even begun to imagine the shit storm Trump is going to bring her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iReason Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 The neanderthal in his own words on women: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkSRJSUY0vs#t=15 Stellar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lannarebirth Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 Hillary hasn't even begun to imagine the shit storm Trump is going to bring her. He certainly has the capability and the material to do that, but on what media? She's about the easiest candidate in history to absolutely eviscerate, but clearly that hasn't happened yet. What makes you think it can happen now? Trump doesn't need a Hillary strategy, he needs a media strategy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulic Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 Trump is threatening riots. What a disgusting dangerous violence inciting hothead. Compare to how Gore handled a potential civil war when his supporters felt the presidency had been stolen by the Scalia supreme court. We were ready to go to the streets. Gore led and said don't. Come on now. Trump is not threatening riots in the streets. He is merely stating the obvious. If he falls just short of 50% +1 and the GOP establishment moved to install Kasich, Romney (he is angling) Paul Ryan, (someone who did not run) both anti establishment candidates (Trump/Cruz) who combined would have 75% + of the candidates would protest. Rioting is the streets of Cleveland. When has stating the obvious incitement/threatening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iReason Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 Right. Here's his Media strategy: CNN busting him on lying about seeing the ad. What a doof. And some want this bloviating buffoon to run the U.S. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arjunadawn Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 It seems that many voters are discouraged by Democratic blundering and Republican intransigence. Politics are more emotional than they are cerebral. Either Bernie or Donald would provide a refreshing change in the politics in America. Remember history! Intellectual Germans didn't understand the depth of the volks discouragement and frustration that led them to vote to give absolute power to Adolf Hitler. Many thought that Hindenburg and others in the chancellery would be able to restrain Hitler. Emotions won the day. I predict that they will again in America. And anyone who thinks that politics in America have been clean and rational hasn't studied the history. Let's not despair. We do have checks and balances built into the American system of governance. Great post! Thanks. Sadly, the appeal to emotion is among the chief tools of the modern left (as you say, perhaps right as well now). Emotion has been taught to be synonymous with intellect. "I feel..." is justification for all manner of horrors these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arjunadawn Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 And then you have guys like arjunadawn who has flipped on a dime, spewing exactly what he claim's to detest. "When all the forces that represent what is worst in the world, what is failed, what is contrived, what is social/communist engineering,redistributionist, fiat economics, opportunist, divisive, relativist, European Socialist, oppressive and culturally debauched, and of barbarian ideology, come out to protest Trump, they give clarity to those like me. Previously Trump seemed intuitive, now he seems self-evident!" Ignorant, simplistic, inflammatory, marginalizing, and indeed divisive rhetoric like some delusional, paranoid preacher. "In the beginning of Trump's run for office I disliked him least of all the options. In time I became neutral. Now, today, as I look across the world at all the forces and mouthpieces aligning to protest Trump and scream "the sky is falling" if Trump is elected I realize I have come to like Trump." Hallelujah! I bee's born again! Truly, laughable. "Principals" grounded in clay... And for the rest of you out there with your partisan labels? The machine loves you. Amazing; totally amazing. Rarely can so little be said in such a space. "Ignorant, simplistic, inflammatory, marginalizing, and indeed divisive rhetoric like some delusional, paranoid..." provides zero rebuttal to the charges I make: Trump is increasingly defined best by the forces that oppose him most! "Ignorant?" What don't I know? "Simplistic?" Whats the complicated context I miss? "Marginalizing?" Indeed, what is marginalized? Socialism? Communism? "Divisive?" What do I divide? "Delusional:" Read ad hominem "Paranoid:" Read ad hominem I confound no principles by not initially noting the forces that loathed Trump, forces that I would later note I loathe too. When those forces emerged to attack Trump, his context became richer and more meaningful. My questions are rhetorical. The OP is about Trump and the forces that seek to stop Trump. A failed ad hominen attack on me, a poster, does not make your argument seem the better. In fact, no argument is offered in rebuttal above- just drivel. Again, you have offered nothing above but personal attack on me. This wholly defines you, not me. This is, after all, the nature of Trump's opponents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lannarebirth Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 It seems that many voters are discouraged by Democratic blundering and Republican intransigence. Politics are more emotional than they are cerebral. Either Bernie or Donald would provide a refreshing change in the politics in America. Remember history! Intellectual Germans didn't understand the depth of the volks discouragement and frustration that led them to vote to give absolute power to Adolf Hitler. Many thought that Hindenburg and others in the chancellery would be able to restrain Hitler. Emotions won the day. I predict that they will again in America. And anyone who thinks that politics in America have been clean and rational hasn't studied the history. Let's not despair. We do have checks and balances built into the American system of governance. Great post! Thanks. Sadly, the appeal to emotion is among the chief tools of the modern left (as you say, perhaps right as well now). Emotion has been taught to be synonymous with intellect. "I feel..." is justification for all manner of horrors these days. A person devoid of feeling is as dangerous as a person devoid of reason. It's finding the right balance that produces the well rounded individual. If this board is any indication of the general population there would seem to be far too many people gravely deficient in both areas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benj005 Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 The Oz media is generally aghast at the idea of Trump and love Hilary, so pretty much in step with US msm as expected. I somewhat doubt any candidate would dare buck the establishment, so Trump would probably be business as usual, albeit with a few dramatics. But Hilary is definitely more war, Trump still unknown. Interesting the military was polled and favour Trump & Sanders over the rabid war candidates. Don't know which news source you are looking at. US generals have said that they will not follow Trump and will disobey orders to randomly bomb The Middle East. http://conservativetribune.com/general-claim-about-trump/ Sent from my SM-N920T using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iReason Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 @Post #127 "Many thought that Hindenburg and others in the chancellery would be able to restrain Hitler. Emotions won the day." Is that right? Of course not. Simply absurd hyperbole given the fact that emoticons were invented only 34 years ago. http://www.businessinsider.com/how-the-emoticon-was-invented-2015-9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iReason Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 @Post 142 Don't be silly. You and others have attacked an entire Political party with your simplistic, myopic nonsense. And painfully patronizing like this guy: JDGRUEN: "so move along like a good little leftist ..." "thus it is easy to be a limousine liberal .. ." "the leftist rags are not on your reading list ... right?" Doesn't really matter. Donald Trump will never be President. Get used to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lannarebirth Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 The Oz media is generally aghast at the idea of Trump and love Hilary, so pretty much in step with US msm as expected. I somewhat doubt any candidate would dare buck the establishment, so Trump would probably be business as usual, albeit with a few dramatics. But Hilary is definitely more war, Trump still unknown. Interesting the military was polled and favour Trump & Sanders over the rabid war candidates. Don't know which news source you are looking at. US generals have said that they will not follow Trump and will disobey orders to randomly bomb The Middle East.http://conservativetribune.com/general-claim-about-trump/ Sent from my SM-N920T using Tapatalk The military will not follow illegal orders from whichever president they are issued from. That said, the "legal" orders that have been followed in the Middle East since the Iraq War began, to include Afghanistan, Syria, Libya have resulted in well over a million lives lost and many millions of displaced and ravaged peoples. And to what end? For what purpose? To purposely de-stabilize the region so no competing super state may evolve. That is the doctrine of both the Democrat and Republican leadership. It is not the Trump Doctrine, nor is it the Sanders Doctrine. Consequently these are the two candidates "the establishment" will seek to marginalize. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neurath Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 In the beginning of Trump's run for office I disliked him least of all the options. In time I became neutral. Now, today, as I look across the world at all the forces and mouthpieces aligning to protest Trump and scream "the sky is falling" if Trump is elected I realize I have come to like Trump. When all the forces that represent what is worst in the world, what is failed, what is contrived, what is social/communist engineering, redistributionist, fiat economics, opportunist, divisive, relativist, European Socialist, oppressive and culturally debauched, and of barbarian ideology, come out to protest Trump, they give clarity to those like me. Previously Trump seemed intuitive, now he seems self-evident! If a man can be measured by his enemies than Trump circumscribes the world. Blacks, Mexicans, Foreigners, Women, Muslims, Jews?, The Pope, Reporters and sentences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses G. Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 If a man can be measured by his enemies than Trump circumscribes the world.Blacks, Mexicans, Foreigners, Women, Muslims More like a small sample of radical left zealots from all those groups and a bunch of white ones too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses G. Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 Don't know which news source you are looking at. US generals have said that they will not follow Trump and will disobey orders to randomly bomb The Middle East. Nonsense. US Generals have said no such thing. Your link is to the opinion of ONE MAN and he does not speak for the rest of the American military. They have said they will not follow illegal orders. Donald Trump has never suggested that he would randomly bomb the Middle East. Military Times survey: Troops back Donald Trump, Bernie Sanders for president http://www.militarytimes.com/story/military/election/2016/03/14/military-times-election-survey-donald-trump-bernie-sanders/81767560/?=recache Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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