US military units to stay for South China Sea patrols

[Publicus]

The Mickey Mouse comment is meant to lighten things up it's the weekend

I have full respect for the USA military and what they can do ...however in saying so I would also caution posters who think the CCP forces are not tested

and hence less deadly

I believe healthy mutual respect is important ...the CCP forces are effective and able to put up a staunch defence ...it's not that keen on offensive for now

Hence the dredging goes on .,..but no naval show of power as yet ....

The action is at the Permanent Court of Arbitration in The Hague.

CCP's doctrine of legal warfare aka "lawfare" is about to get nuked by the Court.

Completely.

That will open the path for every country to stand behind the legal principles of the UNILOS. Not every government of the region or globally will want to stand up to the CCP aggressors, bullies that they are. Many governments are already standing up to CCP however and many more will.

The Court's ruling will be a major turning point. As we already see, just the fact the Court's ruling will come in a matter of weeks has set CCP off running about to try to oppose it and to negate the Court and the ILOS. Won't happen however. There is the ILOS and there is the USN with allies and strategic partners.

CCP are losing in this in every respect, i.e., in the psychology of it, in the media or the PR aspect of it, and in the legal department of it. Three strikes and yer out. So grab some bench.

[keemapoot]

The Mickey Mouse comment is meant to lighten things up it's the weekend

I have full respect for the USA military and what they can do ...however in saying so I would also caution posters who think the CCP forces are not tested

and hence less deadly

I believe healthy mutual respect is important ...the CCP forces are effective and able to put up a staunch defence ...it's not that keen on offensive for now

Hence the dredging goes on .,..but no naval show of power as yet ....

The action is at the Permanent Court of Arbitration in The Hague.

CCP's doctrine of legal warfare aka "lawfare" is about to get nuked by the Court.

Completely.

That will open the path for every country to stand behind the legal principles of the UNILOS. Not every government of the region or globally will want to stand up to the CCP aggressors, bullies that they are. Many governments are already standing up to CCP however and many more will.

The Court's ruling will be a major turning point. As we already see, just the fact the Court's ruling will come in a matter of weeks has set CCP off running about to try to oppose it and to negate the Court and the ILOS. Won't happen however. There is the ILOS and there is the USN with allies and strategic partners.

CCP are losing in this in every respect, i.e., in the psychology of it, in the media or the PR aspect of it, and in the legal department of it. Three strikes and yer out. So grab some bench.

This pending ruling does appear to be quite ominous for CCP, if expert legal analysts you've cited are to be believed. Depending on the applicability of the court's holding to the fact patterns in the other cases, it does have the potential of opening the floodgates on possible successful litigation (arbitration) at the Permanent Court from the other aggrieved countries. We'll have to see the extent soon, but it's premature to take such a definitive position as you have.

You are right though that the combined political weight of one successful court ruling for one country, combined with the threat and likelihood of successive rulings for other countries, combined with US military support for allies, combined with mass public opinion and force of international law China's thumbing of its nose at that international law - will perhaps result in containing CCP on this one for now.

[boomerangutang]

keemapoot mentions, ".....it does have the potential of opening the floodgates on possible successful litigation (arbitration) at the Permanent Court from the other aggrieved countries."

Can there be litigation? ...ensuing from the findings of the Int'l court? I ask that seriously, because I wonder how any country or any entity (business, NGO, whatever) can sue a big country like China. Methinks it would be a philosophical exercise rather than hoping to get anything tangible. I mean, how much are the islands worth, including their projected value for the next 100 years? It's hard enough to assess the value of a person, in a wrongful death lawsuit. .....but a group of islands and their territorial issues?

But it gets back to what I've been saying all along. China is dead set on staying there. No amount of dialogue lawsuits, embargos, threats, international condemnation is going to get it to take its red rump off and sail back to China. Only dynamic military action (or the real threat of it, like happened to break the build up of Soviet nukes at Cuba in the 1960's) ....will yield tangible results.

China has a strong military, but no match for the current US armada. A clash will be akin to Stormin' Norman driving toward Baghdad. When the smoke clears, the score will be 100 to zero, and it won't last long. My guess: 2 days.

[boomerangutang]

Speaking of the Cuban missile issue: I was a 10 yr old lad at the time. I distinctly recall a map on the dining room table showing what were thought to be missiles (and support gear) parked in Cuba. It was probably a photo from a spy plane. Satellites weren't equipped to take photos at that time. This was 1962 when barely anyone had color TV. My family resided in Bethesda Maryland, right near Wash D.C. My dad worked at the US State Dept in some sort of spy division (he didn't talk about it). Yet there I was, one of the few, if not the only kid on the planet, looking at these photos. They were probably weeks away from being published in newspapers. When I was 17, my mom said I could get entry-level employment at the State Dept in the same dept as my dad was in. I thought about it for about 6 seconds and declined the offer. By then I was a hippie, and all I could think about was drugs, sex and rock and roll (not necessarily in that order). I would not have made a good Federal employee. I don't follow orders well, particularly if the orders are BS. I had a Jewish friend who got a job on a construction crew building the (as yet unnamed) new FBI HQ. Of course we all knew it would become the 'J. Edgar Hoover Building.' He was an SDS member and such a radical that he was planning to clandestinely insert bombs in the concrete support piers. Doubtful, ha ha ha.

[keemapoot]

keemapoot mentions, ".....it does have the potential of opening the floodgates on possible successful litigation (arbitration) at the Permanent Court from the other aggrieved countries."

Can there be litigation? ...ensuing from the findings of the Int'l court? I ask that seriously, because I wonder how any country or any entity (business, NGO, whatever) can sue a big country like China. Methinks it would be a philosophical exercise rather than hoping to get anything tangible. I mean, how much are the islands worth, including their projected value for the next 100 years? It's hard enough to assess the value of a person, in a wrongful death lawsuit. .....but a group of islands and their territorial issues?

But it gets back to what I've been saying all along. China is dead set on staying there. No amount of dialogue lawsuits, embargos, threats, international condemnation is going to get it to take its red rump off and sail back to China. Only dynamic military action (or the real threat of it, like happened to break the build up of Soviet nukes at Cuba in the 1960's) ....will yield tangible results.

China has a strong military, but no match for the current US armada. A clash will be akin to Stormin' Norman driving toward Baghdad. When the smoke clears, the score will be 100 to zero, and it won't last long. My guess: 2 days.

Sorry, I used that word litigation for those reading who may not understand arbitration. Let's view it as the same thing in this context. Arbitration at the Permanent court is mandatory for signatories to the treaty, which China is. Answering another part of your query: can countries be sued? This is a bitch. As a private company, I have sued a government-owned enterprise in private litigation and arbitration. One of those suits went 10 years in several jurisdictions, London, US, Paris ICC, and to the US Supreme Court and the ICC in Paris. The ultimate result is that you cannot sue a government or country because of the principal of sovereign immunity. Countries can get away with murder because they are immune to suit, it's a long established legal principal.

And, when dealing in matters of international public law, the whole thing is mute anyway, because there is no international enforcement procedure or method. A victory at the Permanent Court is an empty victory for Philippines absent other things.

[LawrenceChee]

I am afraid Keemapoot is right ....it's an empty victory almost a moral one like any UN resolution

Any application of it is very very hard as no parties will readily pursue it while the dredging goes on

[Publicus]

keemapoot mentions, ".....it does have the potential of opening the floodgates on possible successful litigation (arbitration) at the Permanent Court from the other aggrieved countries."

Can there be litigation? ...ensuing from the findings of the Int'l court? I ask that seriously, because I wonder how any country or any entity (business, NGO, whatever) can sue a big country like China. Methinks it would be a philosophical exercise rather than hoping to get anything tangible. I mean, how much are the islands worth, including their projected value for the next 100 years? It's hard enough to assess the value of a person, in a wrongful death lawsuit. .....but a group of islands and their territorial issues?

But it gets back to what I've been saying all along. China is dead set on staying there. No amount of dialogue lawsuits, embargos, threats, international condemnation is going to get it to take its red rump off and sail back to China. Only dynamic military action (or the real threat of it, like happened to break the build up of Soviet nukes at Cuba in the 1960's) ....will yield tangible results.

China has a strong military, but no match for the current US armada. A clash will be akin to Stormin' Norman driving toward Baghdad. When the smoke clears, the score will be 100 to zero, and it won't last long. My guess: 2 days.

Sorry, I used that word litigation for those reading who may not understand arbitration. Let's view it as the same thing in this context. Arbitration at the Permanent court is mandatory for signatories to the treaty, which China is. Answering another part of your query: can countries be sued? This is a bitch. As a private company, I have sued a government-owned enterprise in private litigation and arbitration. One of those suits went 10 years in several jurisdictions, London, US, Paris ICC, and to the US Supreme Court and the ICC in Paris. The ultimate result is that you cannot sue a government or country because of the principal of sovereign immunity. Countries can get away with murder because they are immune to suit, it's a long established legal principal.

And, when dealing in matters of international public law, the whole thing is mute anyway, because there is no international enforcement procedure or method. A victory at the Permanent Court is an empty victory for Philippines absent other things.

The ultimate result is that you cannot sue a government or country because of the principal of sovereign immunity.

As you know, the legal doctrine of sovereign immunity is a long standing one (a government immunises itself from being sued, by anyone or anything). Virtually every government employs the doctrine.

TPP provides for the first time exceptions to sovereign immunity. Yes, it would apply to huge global corporations only, and only under the TPP, and in only certain circumstances, but any breach of this above the law legal doctrine that states apply to themselves is welcome here.

I am afraid Keemapoot is right ....it's an empty victory almost a moral one like any UN resolution

Any application of it is very very hard as no parties will readily pursue it while the dredging goes on

Keemapoot is right when he notes the political and legal weight is beginning to accumulate against CCP in these "water wars" in the SCS and in the East Sea against Japan. The CCP's 21st century doctrine of its Three Warfares as the alternative to a shooting war or conflict is failing. The risks of shooting breaking out increases by each aggressive action CCP takes by its own arbitrary and unilateral arrogance.

CCP is losing on each of the three warfares fronts, the psychological, the media PR front, the "lawfare" legal front. It's already past time the CCP ran up the white flag on its cock-eyed Three Warfares notions.

Poot has in fact modified his previous statement to instead recognize there is binding arbitration of parties under the provisions of the UNILOS.

CCP would need to withdraw from the UNILOS treaty to avoid a legally binding arbitration under ILOS once the Permanent Court of Arbitration in The Hague rules against it, as is expected even in Beijing, in the case brought against CCP by the Philippines.

The poster poot is of course accurate when he points out there is no enforcement mechanism to the binding arbitration process and its outcome. Not many sovereign courts however can call in the army or take some such action to enforce its rulings. (The Honduras Supreme Court in 2012 did do exactly that however to remove the pro-Chavez president Zalaya who'd been trying to violate the constitution by setting himself up with another, i.e., lifetime term of office.)

The UN is no exception to the rule or to the principle that a court of law cannot force its views on a society, that moral persuasion is the way to go in addition to citizens' commitment to the rule of law. CCP has no commitment whatsoever to the rule of law. CCP law only, which is the rule of men, not the rule of law.

[keemapoot]

^Pub posted: "Poot has in fact modified his previous statement to instead recognize there is binding arbitration of parties under the provisions of the UNILOS."

I have never modified anything. I understand perfectly the nature of arbitration under UNILOS. I mentioned before in a post that China had contested whether arbitration was binding and they fought a good preliminary case on this and lost. As a result the court ruled arbitration is binding on China on this one and that is where we are now headed.

As I mentioned, I have spent over 10 years in global arbitration and litigation against a communist foreign government-owned company, and oversaw not only my corporate general counsel and his team, but big outside law firms with large teams for our case. I was deeply involved in every aspect and do understand the legal principals of sovereign immunity as well as anyone. There are some exceptions to the broad statement you made above, but it's not relevant to this discussion.

*And, yes the TPP is a breath of fresh air to prevent governments from breaking contracts and doing what they want with abandon and then hiding behind foreign sovereign immunity when they get sued. By the way, on a related note, Vietnam, with the recent conclusion of important trade pacts such as the EU- Vietnam Free Trade Agreement, the Trans-Pacific Partnership, the Vietnam –Korea Free Trade Agreement, is on a fast track to being the darling of Asia-Pac and gain huge political support in its efforts to contain China in the SCS.

Edited May 1, 2016 by keemapoot

[boomerangutang]

I am afraid Keemapoot is right ....it's an empty victory almost a moral one like any UN resolution

Any application of it is very very hard as no parties will readily pursue it while the dredging goes on

Hypothetically, the Philippines could sue China to take back Hainan Island, claiming they own it because, during the period between 1400 and 1935, Philippine fishermen landed on the island to replenish supplies. Fils wouldn't prevail, but it might garner a few headlines. As Trump is showing in the US, it's not the veracity of what you say that's important, if you want publicity, the more outlandish your claims, the better the coverage.

It might get int'l observers to take a 2nd look at how outlandish and weak the arguments are: that China owns the Spratly and Paracel island groups.

Incidentally, what are China's claims based on? Seriously. Someone drew nine dashes on a little cocktail napkin sketch, .....but what else does China have?

[Publicus]

^Pub posted: "Poot has in fact modified his previous statement to instead recognize there is binding arbitration of parties under the provisions of the UNILOS."

I have never modified anything. I understand perfectly the nature of arbitration under UNILOS. I mentioned before in a post that China had contested whether arbitration was binding and they fought a good preliminary case on this and lost. As a result the court ruled arbitration is binding on China on this one and that is where we are now headed.

As I mentioned, I have spent over 10 years in global arbitration and litigation against a communist foreign government-owned company, and oversaw not only my corporate general counsel and his team, but big outside law firms with large teams for our case. I was deeply involved in every aspect and do understand the legal principals of sovereign immunity as well as anyone. There are some exceptions to the broad statement you made above, but it's not relevant to this discussion.

*And, yes the TPP is a breath of fresh air to prevent governments from breaking contracts and doing what they want with abandon and then hiding behind foreign sovereign immunity when they get sued. By the way, on a related note, Vietnam, with the recent conclusion of important trade pacts such as the EU- Vietnam Free Trade Agreement, the Trans-Pacific Partnership, the Vietnam –Korea Free Trade Agreement, is on a fast track to being the darling of Asia-Pac and gain huge political support in its efforts to contain China in the SCS.

Your point is accurate and true that enforcement by the Court or by the UN of its rulings is not possible. However, arbitration is required under the UNLOS and the only way for Beijing to avoid it is to withdraw from the treaty.

Your point that the political weight of the opposition to CCP in its "water wars" can become overwhelming (my word) is well taken. That is exactly what is occurring, i.e., the US, Asean and US allies, strategic partners and other partners have been slicing their own salami against the CCP's aggressions in the South Sea and in the East Sea.

Now the actual ruling of the Permanent Court of Arbitration (Arbitration) is forthcoming. CCP knows that, whatever the specific details of the Court's ruling, the Court is very likely to be unanimous, and the Court will very very likely rule against CCP.

US et al haven't done a waterways freedom of navigation operation since January. The reason is that CCP is, in occupying and creating islands, attempting by stealth to establish a de facto Air Defense Identification Zone. It is expected that after the Court announces its ruling CCP will move against the Scarborough Shoal which is well inside the Phils EEZ and would place PLA missiles in range of both Manila and US military in the Phils.

So now the US et al are focusing on air operations. Four A-10 "Warthog" ground support fighter jets flew over the Paracels just days after SecDef Carter had visited the Phils for joint military exercises and after Carter had flown out to board the USS John C. Stennis carrier underway in the SCS. Carter has made clear that whether CCP actively announces an ADIZ over the SCS or any part of it, or simply tries to de facto establish one, the US and allies will fly through it freely and in the interests of international law and order.

This continues to escalate so perhaps CCP can take a new stock of its merchandise once the Court presents its ruling. Dubious to hope so, but CCP already is making noises that bilateral negotiations by Asean countries won't be the equivalent of visiting the dentist. The whole of this CCP proposition would be laughing gas were it not well into a militarisation starting with the CCP's islands both natural and manmade.

Edited May 1, 2016 by Publicus

[keemapoot]

*And, yes the TPP is a breath of fresh air to prevent governments from breaking contracts and doing what they want with abandon and then hiding behind foreign sovereign immunity when they get sued. By the way, on a related note, Vietnam, with the recent conclusion of important trade pacts such as the EU- Vietnam Free Trade Agreement, the Trans-Pacific Partnership, the Vietnam –Korea Free Trade Agreement, is on a fast track to being the darling of Asia-Pac and gain huge political support in its efforts to contain China in the SCS.

Bad form quoting my own post, but this again illustrates the importance of coalition-building to this SCS problem with China. With the above new trade pacts, you will see that Vietnam has 3 new bffs, the US, EU, and S. Korea. So, we can expect to see political, moral, and perhaps military support from all three of these pals in opposing China against Vietnam interests in the SCS.

And, as I've written before in this thread, China, not a party to the all-important TPP, is investing in Vietnam and is planning to use Vietnam as a gateway to entry to the TPP, so this is yet another reason for China to come to the bargaining table on the SCS.

Throwing a monkey wrench into this would be the unlikely election of Donald Trump to the Presidency, who for sure would scuttle the TPP.

[Publicus]

Brics Development Bank and Brics are bust.

CCP's grandiose Asia Infrastructure and Investment Bank was stillborn.

The CCP economy is in the tank.

Water wars are all they've got with nothing to back 'em up.

Pathetic.

[LawrenceChee]

Yeap the Chinese are making fast friends out of the Vietnamese

And no matter what the political climate is , businessman on both sides remains pragmatic and look for collaborations

So the intent to keep China out of TPP is a moral victory for Obama and the clique but unenforceable as the Chinese has shown , in business the Indians and Chinese why they are alway miles ahead...they can just think out of the box and see a $ in every transaction

Edited May 1, 2016 by LawrenceChee

[boomerangutang]

This continues to escalate so perhaps CCP can take a new stock of its merchandise once the Court presents its ruling. Dubious to hope so, but CCP already is making noises that bilateral negotiations by Asean countries won't be the equivalent of visiting the dentist. The whole of this CCP proposition would be laughing gas were it not well into a militarisation starting with the CCP's islands both natural and manmade.

Interesting to equate what's happening with a trip to the dentist. Am not sure if I follow the analogy, but it is a creative spin.

Water wars are all they've got with nothing to back 'em up. Pathetic.

They may have more up their sleeves. They never announce prior - what they're going to do. Every action they take is clandestine. So only a handful of insiders in Beijing know what they're considering. That's why I earlier broached the topic of seamounts - in order to try and gauge one of the types of transgressions they may attempt in the future. I also mentioned Antarctica and the moon. It may sound like a joke, but you never know. China could claim Antarctica, and when other nations contest the claim, China can simply say,

"Hey, what's the big deal? It's all just ice anyway. No one else claimed it, so we decided to claim it to safeguard it. What's that? You say there's a treaty we signed that promises no country will every lay territorial claim on Antarctica? Well, sorry folks. A treaty is just some words written on a piece of paper. China is big, populous, rich, and we have a very powerful military. If you don't like what we did, well, you're welcome to visit Beijing and discuss it with our leaders. We'll even pay for your hotel and meals. Sounds fair? Ok, bye for now. Got other business. See you later."

Who saw the island-grab in the SCS before it started happening? Who could have predicted the Nazis going charging into Czechoslovakia and Poland before they did? They certainly didn't inform anyone outside their inner circle, did they? Indeed, before the Nazis invaded Poland, Hitler promised Stalin they would do no such thing.

A more recent example of a country's leader lying, in order to grab territory: Did you see the video of Saddam Hussein promising the US Ambassador - person-to-person that his country would not invade Kuwait? That was a day or two before he invaded. Yet, just after getting the assurance from Saddam, the US ambassador told her bosses in Washington that he would not invade. She had his word on it. (Sounds Chamberlainian, doesn't it?).

China is playing the Saddam Husseinian game, as we speak, except China is not grabbing territory with military force (though it's maintaining its grip with military) - instead, China simply sends some ships over and starts setting up shop. Anyone who contests China's territory grab is told by China,......

"What's the big deal? We owned the islands. We're just developing what's already ours. You wanna get militaristic? Oooooh, we don't do that. We're a peaceful country."

Edited May 1, 2016 by boomerangutang

[Publicus]

Yeap the Chinese are making fast friends out of the Vietnamese

And no matter what the political climate is , businessman on both sides remains pragmatic and look for collaborations

So the intent to keep China out of TPP is a moral victory for Obama and the clique but unenforceable as the Chinese has shown , in business the Indians and Chinese why they are alway miles ahead...they can just think out of the box and see a $ in every transaction

So the intent to keep China out of TPP

Wong again Lawence.

The design of TPP from its conception years ago was to include CCP China later, at a time and under the circumstance maximally favorable to the TPP member states.

Only after the TPP is adopted and in effect will CCP be considered and only after the rules had been agreed and established by the original democratic founding nations (democratic with a rare exception, such as Vietnam, which has been included for obvious SCS and other geostrategic reasons and purposes).

USA has always planned and intended to Include CCP in the second round of membership of an active TPP, or perhaps in a third round. Countries such as Thailand are also angling for a second round admittance because they, as in the instance of the CCP, had no possibility of being a founding TPP member. TPP founding rules and regulations were always going to be written by free market democracies.

CPP also will need to run to catch up with the Trans-Atlantic and Investment Partnership currently in its final stages of negotiation. CCP is not invited to the founding talks and negotiations in that one either. No one wants to have to deal with the CCP Dictators in Beijing in making the initial and founding rules of either organisation, especially led by the United States as each one is.

CCP's stillborn Asia Infrastructure and Investment Bank that was to have established three connecting money routes throughout Asia and on to Europe is already hard pressed to pay its own electricity bill, never mind come up with the initial $40 billion of seed investment.

Vietnam is doing CCP Boyz in Beijing a favor the USA does of course welcome and encourage in helping the Boyz get their nose under the TPP tent. CCP is going to get worked kicking and screaming into the existing liberal global order like it or not. It's up to the CCP Boyz whether they inhale their own fumes and choke on 'em or what.

Edited May 1, 2016 by Publicus

[keemapoot]

Yeap the Chinese are making fast friends out of the Vietnamese

And no matter what the political climate is , businessman on both sides remains pragmatic and look for collaborations

So the intent to keep China out of TPP is a moral victory for Obama and the clique but unenforceable as the Chinese has shown , in business the Indians and Chinese why they are alway miles ahead...they can just think out of the box and see a $ in every transaction

China will have to be very careful with Vietnam, perhaps more so than with Philippines or even Japan. It is in China's best interests to do so.

An associate of mine who is a partner in one of the most prestigious tier 1 global advisory firms, who has lived for 20 years in Vietnam, and is very highly regarded and highly placed, advises both the Vietnamese government and the US Congress on the TPP. In the most recent confidential briefing he sent me (which I cannot post here due to confidentiality provisions), his firm did an analysis, together with WTO data, and determined that in terms of liberalization of market access, the two best countries in all of SE & S Asia are unsurprisingly - Singapore, and surprisingly - Vietnam.

Vietnam has enacted a new investment law, a new enterprise law, new liberal M&A procedures, lifted foreign cap requirements, and basically, thrown open the barn doors to foreign investment and growth. There is no country more exciting at this moment in the area.

With the joining of the trade pacts, Vietnam of course is courting Chinese investment and adopting a "keep your friends close, and your enemies closer" strategy. It will be very hard for China to bully Vietnam around on the SCS issue if their global supply china strategy is irrevocably linked to Vietnam as a production base.

[LawrenceChee]

I agree , I have money plonked into Vietnam some 15 years ago and it is one of the best decisions

When you look at the woman there and how hard they work plus the work ethics , it's one of the best in ASEAN and together with the age demographics and the willingness to pursue educate as a priority , this is an exciting country to see progress.

[LawrenceChee]

Yeap the Chinese are making fast friends out of the Vietnamese

And no matter what the political climate is , businessman on both sides remains pragmatic and look for collaborations

So the intent to keep China out of TPP is a moral victory for Obama and the clique but unenforceable as the Chinese has shown , in business the Indians and Chinese why they are alway miles ahead...they can just think out of the box and see a $ in every transaction

So the intent to keep China out of TPP

Wong again Lawence.

The design of TPP from its conception years ago was to include CCP China later, at a time and under the circumstance maximally favorable to the TPP member states.

Only after the TPP is adopted and in effect will CCP be considered and only after the rules had been agreed and established by the original democratic founding nations (democratic with a rare exception, such as Vietnam, which has been included for obvious SCS and other geostrategic reasons and purposes).

USA has always planned and intended to Include CCP in the second round of membership of an active TPP, or perhaps in a third round. Countries such as Thailand are also angling for a second round admittance because they, as in the instance of the CCP, had no possibility of being a founding TPP member. TPP founding rules and regulations were always going to be written by free market democracies.

CPP also will need to run to catch up with the Trans-Atlantic and Investment Partnership currently in its final stages of negotiation. CCP is not invited to the founding talks and negotiations in that one either. No one wants to have to deal with the CCP Dictators in Beijing in making the initial and founding rules of either organisation, especially led by the United States as each one is.

CCP's stillborn Asia Infrastructure and Investment Bank that was to have established three connecting money routes throughout Asia and on to Europe is already hard pressed to pay its own electricity bill, never mind come up with the initial $40 billion of seed investment.

Vietnam is doing CCP Boyz in Beijing a favor the USA does of course welcome and encourage in helping the Boyz get their nose under the TPP tent. CCP is going to get worked kicking and screaming into the existing liberal global order like it or not. It's up to the CCP Boyz whether they inhale their own fumes and choke on 'em or what.

Which Fenqing group gave you the inspiration for the above ? You can almost write biblical scriptures now ....language is almost similar mate

Edited May 1, 2016 by LawrenceChee

[keemapoot]

The stakes seem to be rising again, now in the Indian Ocean, with talks underway between the US and India announced today.

Wary of China's Indian Ocean activities, US, India discuss anti-submarine warfare

New Delhi, shedding its decades-old reluctance to be drawn into America's embrace, agreed last month to open up its military bases to the United States in exchange for access to weapons technology to help it narrow the gap with China.

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asiapacific/wary-of-china-s-indian/2748708.html

The Indian Ocean is growing in strategic importance, and the trends we are seeing in the Pacific & SCS are impacting how countries are organizing alliances to deal with this. China is in danger of underestimating the resolve of many diverse competing nations on this one.

[AYJAYDEE]

The stakes seem to be rising again, now in the Indian Ocean, with talks underway between the US and India announced today.

Wary of China's Indian Ocean activities, US, India discuss anti-submarine warfare

New Delhi, shedding its decades-old reluctance to be drawn into America's embrace, agreed last month to open up its military bases to the United States in exchange for access to weapons technology to help it narrow the gap with China.

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asiapacific/wary-of-china-s-indian/2748708.html

The Indian Ocean is growing in strategic importance, and the trends we are seeing in the Pacific & SCS are impacting how countries are organizing alliances to deal with this. China is in danger of underestimating the resolve of many diverse competing nations on this one.

if there is any underestimating to be done, my money is on america. theyve been on a roll since 1962

[Publicus]

President Obama will visit Vietnam as part of the G-7 meeting in Japan at the end of this month (May 26&27).

US expects to be Vietnam's largest trading partner driven by Vietnam's inclusion in the TPP. US-VN trade has already gone to $45 billion last year from $500 million in 1995. Vietnam is now the Asean country with the most students in the USA, 20,000.

Due to the slew of recent reforms, US has certified Vietnam as a market economy, which the US (and EU) have never done with the CCP Boyz in Beijing and their state-corporate dinosaur economy. Vietnam's leaders have agreed to independent labor unions and the ruling party has signed the UN Convention Against Torture and also the UN Convention on Persons With Disabilities.

Last week SecDef Ashton Carter advised Congress in testimony the White House is moving to end completely the arms embargo against Vietnam. US Naval warships are expected to visit the newly renovated Cam Rahn Bay naval base in central Vietnam, opened last month after an $87 million upgrade, as are ships of the Japan Maritime Self-Defense Force (navy).

US Deputy SecState Anthony Blinkin visited VN last month to meet with the foreign minister to flesh out the new US-VN "comprehensive partnership" which includes trade, commerce, defense and the South China Sea especially.

Here are a couple of quotes that indicate ongoing developments in relations concerning US-VN and the South China Sea...

“[C]ountries in Southeast Asia are coming to us to encourage us to remain strongly engaged in the region and to remain strongly engaged with them in particular, and that’s true of the Vietnamese,” a U.S. official told The Diplomat recently when asked about the future potential for bilateral defense relations, including a full lifting of the embargo.

“It helps them generate leverage vis-à-vis China,” the official said.

http://thediplomat.com/2016/03/vietnam-unveils-new-port-facility-for-foreign-warships-in-cam-ranh-bay/

“Essentially, Beijing is looking at ways to peel away at any unity within ASEAN on the South China Sea issue, through leveraging its relationships with certain countries there such as Laos, Cambodia and Brunei,” J. Berkshire Miller, a fellow for the East Asia program at the New York-based EastWest Institute, said in an email.

“They want to pre-empt the PCA ruling and erode its legitimacy through the support of other states in the region and internationally.”

“The problem with China’s lobbying results, however, is that these are mostly examples of Chinese client states or close partners — so the legitimacy of such a bloc is inherently dubious,” Miller added

Vietnam and the US in the 21st century: A new beginning

http://www.vietnambreakingnews.com/2016/04/vietnam-and-the-us-in-the-21st-century-a-new-beginning/

US is increasing its efforts to remove remaining explosives from the war and is also increasing and expanding ongoing detoxification programs for those suffering from Agent Orange.

In September Pres. Obama will be the first Potus to visit Laos when Asean has its annual meeting. The current Asean SecGen is Le Luong Minh of Vietnam, so this will be the first Asean leaders meeting that involves the SCS and which will have the new Asean SecGen coordinating it.

Edited May 2, 2016 by Publicus

[boomerangutang]

The stakes seem to be rising again, now in the Indian Ocean, with talks underway between the US and India announced today.

Wary of China's Indian Ocean activities, US, India discuss anti-submarine warfare

New Delhi, shedding its decades-old reluctance to be drawn into America's embrace, agreed last month to open up its military bases to the United States in exchange for access to weapons technology to help it narrow the gap with China.

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asiapacific/wary-of-china-s-indian/2748708.html

The Indian Ocean is growing in strategic importance, and the trends we are seeing in the Pacific & SCS are impacting how countries are organizing alliances to deal with this. China is in danger of underestimating the resolve of many diverse competing nations on this one.

Watch out Maldives. Even if those islands get more susceptible to high tides, China won't mind. China is adept at terraforming islands. There are other places to be wary about. Burma has hundreds of islands in its south. All China needs to do is find one small outlying island, fake some archive document to show a Chinese ship landed there hundreds of years ago (to gather coconuts or whatever), give it a Chinese name, and viola! more Chinese territory! What's Burma gonna do, start a war with China? It knows it can't win.

The word 'seamount' is going to be in the news in coming decades. Mark my words. Just like Thais didn't know the word 'tsunami' before the tsunami hit the Andaman coast, so too, few in the world know or care about the word 'seamount' .....but they will sit up and notice when China starts claiming them hither and thither - and it won't announce its intentions prior to taking them.

[tonbridgebrit]

President Obama will visit Vietnam as part of the G-7 meeting in Japan at the end of this month (May 26&27).

US expects to be Vietnam's largest trading partner driven by Vietnam's inclusion in the TPP. US-VN trade has already gone to $45 billion last year from $500 million in 1995. Vietnam is now the Asean country with the most students in the USA, 20,000.

Due to the slew of recent reforms, US has certified Vietnam as a market economy, which the US (and EU) have never done with the CCP Boyz in Beijing and their state-corporate dinosaur economy. Vietnam's leaders have agreed to independent labor unions and the ruling party has signed the UN Convention Against Torture and also the UN Convention on Persons With Disabilities.

Last week SecDef Ashton Carter advised Congress in testimony the White House is moving to end completely the arms embargo against Vietnam. US Naval warships are expected to visit the newly renovated Cam Rahn Bay naval base in central Vietnam, opened last month after an $87 million upgrade, as are ships of the Japan Maritime Self-Defense Force (navy).

US Deputy SecState Anthony Blinkin visited VN last month to meet with the foreign minister to flesh out the new US-VN "comprehensive partnership" which includes trade, commerce, defense and the South China Sea especially.

Here are a couple of quotes that indicate ongoing developments in relations concerning US-VN and the South China Sea...

“[C]ountries in Southeast Asia are coming to us to encourage us to remain strongly engaged in the region and to remain strongly engaged with them in particular, and that’s true of the Vietnamese,” a U.S. official told The Diplomat recently when asked about the future potential for bilateral defense relations, including a full lifting of the embargo.

“It helps them generate leverage vis-à-vis China,” the official said.

http://thediplomat.com/2016/03/vietnam-unveils-new-port-facility-for-foreign-warships-in-cam-ranh-bay/

“Essentially, Beijing is looking at ways to peel away at any unity within ASEAN on the South China Sea issue, through leveraging its relationships with certain countries there such as Laos, Cambodia and Brunei,” J. Berkshire Miller, a fellow for the East Asia program at the New York-based EastWest Institute, said in an email.

“They want to pre-empt the PCA ruling and erode its legitimacy through the support of other states in the region and internationally.”

“The problem with China’s lobbying results, however, is that these are mostly examples of Chinese client states or close partners — so the legitimacy of such a bloc is inherently dubious,” Miller added

Vietnam and the US in the 21st century: A new beginning

http://www.vietnambreakingnews.com/2016/04/vietnam-and-the-us-in-the-21st-century-a-new-beginning/

US is increasing its efforts to remove remaining explosives from the war and is also increasing and expanding ongoing detoxification programs for those suffering from Agent Orange.

In September Pres. Obama will be the first Potus to visit Laos when Asean has its annual meeting. The current Asean SecGen is Le Luong Minh of Vietnam, so this will be the first Asean leaders meeting that involves the SCS and which will have the new Asean SecGen coordinating it.

"US expects to be Vietnam's largest trading partner driven by Vietnam's inclusion in the TPP."

Publicus, is this what Washington expects, OR, is it some fairy-tale imagination that YOU have ??

Okay, let's look at the CIA World Factbook for some information.

With regards to exports, yes, 20% of Vietnam's exports go to the USA. And 10.4 % go to China.

And Vietnam's imports ? Well, a stagerring 30.4 % of Vietnam's imports are from China. Only 4.4 % of Vietnam's imports are from the USA.

People should realise, when we're talking about trade, it's usually the same story. The European Union, the USA, Japan, Taiwan, South Korea, Thailand, etc, all these places are importing a mountain of Chinese goods. Some of them are being flooded by the Chinese tourists as well.

A few islands in the middle of no-where are no big deal compared to the vast trade that does actually happen.

[Publicus]

I say again you can deploy whatever submarines , cutter crafts , destroyers you want ....the Chinese have a resource only the Indians can match and that is people and there is nothing maniac about using that if it can prevent more civilian deaths through the carpet bombing strategy of the USA

There is no stomach to fight civilians and you can surround them or do what you wish ...there will be no fleet commander of any country that will ram a boat filed with civilians into the waters

Once they arrived at your ports ....you have the real Hollywood movie zombie scenario ....what do you do with hundreds of thousands flooding your shores within days ?

Send Brad Pitt against them ?

The Chinese are not war mongerers and have no interest to start any war ; but they are no longer as dumb and naive to believe the western's friendly intent and rightly so now are securing the islands where their military forces will give them first strike options rather than wait for the west to build those and be closer to China in the event of a war.

There is nothing mythical about it ...the USA have a known history of being a interfering bully who enjoys being nosy and then bombing and then disappearing with no real solutions leaving the mess for a " democratically installed government to fix" for decades to come with more street bombs and less civilian peace

The Chinese have no interest to see that happening and is defending its rights to its way of life

Is this the kind of exploitation tactic or strategy you're posting about, the use of CCP Chinese civilians in the SCS to be a CCP militia that keeps out fishing boats of other countries and also confronts the US Navy as well as other countries and their ships.

China trains 'fishing militia' to sail into disputed waters

Reuters | May 2, 2016,

BIMAJING: The fishing fleet based in this tiny port town on Hainan island is getting everything from military training and subsidies to even fuel and ice as China creates an increasingly sophisticated fishing militia to sail into the disputed South China Sea.

The training and support includes exercises at sea and requests to fishermen to gather information on foreign vessels, provincial government officials, regional diplomats fishing company executives said in recent interviews.

"The maritime militia is expanding because of the country's need for it, and because of the desire of the fishermen to engage in national service, protecting our country's interests," said an advisor to the Hainan government who did not want to be named.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/china/-China-trains-fishing-militia-to-sail-into-disputed-waters/articleshow/52073684.cms

Chinese state-corporate fishing industry boats are running out of fish in the CCP coastal and offshore waters and banks, shoals, islets. So CCP increasingly sends its state-corporate fishing industry boats and ships far afield to claim they are fishing in CCP territorial waters.

The Argentine Coast Guard last month had to blast a CCP corporate fishing industry ship out of its waters and to the bottom of the sea after the CCP fishers rammed it (the favorite CCP maritime tactic in disputes). Earlier this year Indonesia blew up a seized CCP state-corporate 300 ton fishing boat caught illegally in its waters.

An original and 'old fashioned' cause of conflict and war throughout the world is the ages old battle over resources. And China with its 1.6 billion population is in a category of its own in this regard (along with democratic India). After China and India comes the USA as the third most populous nation but a distant (and plump) third it is, with Indonesia fourth.

Fifty thousand CCP ordinary fishing boats are equipped with GPS to report on everything they see and that occurs within their locations. These fenqing style CCP fishing militia continually cite "defending Chinese sovereignty" as their motive in being a fenqing style of seagoing militia.

These fenqing style of civilian militia get resupplied at Woody Island in the Paracels Islands which has recently been built up with military capable airfields and supply sheds. The news report quotes many of the CCP fenqing style of civilian fisher militias as wanting to "raise the Chinese flag" over the Paracels in their entirety.

[boomerangutang]

Thanks Publicus, for finding interesting angles, like the article above, about a civilian/quasi-military style fishing fleet. Plus, it's no surprise that China has over-fished it's coastal waters. The factors relating to China's territory grabs are coalescing like cow's tongue aspic Any world leaders that think dialogue is going to compel Chinese to go back to China are living in fairy-dust land.

[tonbridgebrit]

Yeap the Chinese are making fast friends out of the Vietnamese

And no matter what the political climate is , businessman on both sides remains pragmatic and look for collaborations

So the intent to keep China out of TPP is a moral victory for Obama and the clique but unenforceable as the Chinese has shown , in business the Indians and Chinese why they are alway miles ahead...they can just think out of the box and see a $ in every transaction

So the intent to keep China out of TPP

Wong again Lawence.

The design of TPP from its conception years ago was to include CCP China later, at a time and under the circumstance maximally favorable to the TPP member states.

Only after the TPP is adopted and in effect will CCP be considered and only after the rules had been agreed and established by the original democratic founding nations (democratic with a rare exception, such as Vietnam, which has been included for obvious SCS and other geostrategic reasons and purposes).

USA has always planned and intended to Include CCP in the second round of membership of an active TPP, or perhaps in a third round. Countries such as Thailand are also angling for a second round admittance because they, as in the instance of the CCP, had no possibility of being a founding TPP member. TPP founding rules and regulations were always going to be written by free market democracies.

CPP also will need to run to catch up with the Trans-Atlantic and Investment Partnership currently in its final stages of negotiation. CCP is not invited to the founding talks and negotiations in that one either. No one wants to have to deal with the CCP Dictators in Beijing in making the initial and founding rules of either organisation, especially led by the United States as each one is.

CCP's stillborn Asia Infrastructure and Investment Bank that was to have established three connecting money routes throughout Asia and on to Europe is already hard pressed to pay its own electricity bill, never mind come up with the initial $40 billion of seed investment.

Vietnam is doing CCP Boyz in Beijing a favor the USA does of course welcome and encourage in helping the Boyz get their nose under the TPP tent. CCP is going to get worked kicking and screaming into the existing liberal global order like it or not. It's up to the CCP Boyz whether they inhale their own fumes and choke on 'em or what.

This TPP thing. Looks like people are bringing in the issue to connect it with the issue regarding the South China Sea.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-32498715

Okay, above is a link with the BBC about this TPP.

Here is a quote [ It involves 12 countries: the US, Japan, Malaysia, Vietnam, Singapore, Brunei, Australia, New Zealand, Canada, Mexico, Chile and Peru.

The pact aims to deepen economic ties between these nations, slashing tariffs and fostering trade to boost growth.

Member countries are also hoping to foster a closer relationship on economic policies and regulation.

The agreement could create a new single market something like that of the EU.]

Also [They argue it it has been a not-so-secret gambit to keep China at bay - which is not part of the TPP. For its part, China has given it the TPP a cautious welcome.]

Look, that TPP is being done to try and create a trade block that will keep China at bay. I doubt it's going to work. Is Beijing scared of this TPP ? Not really. Beijing knows that America and Japan (by far, the two biggest markets of all) are both addicted to the cheap Chinese goods. America and Japan need China more than China needs them, Beiing knows that.

Anyway, some Americans are against this TPP.

[tonbridgebrit]

Yeap the Chinese are making fast friends out of the Vietnamese

And no matter what the political climate is , businessman on both sides remains pragmatic and look for collaborations

So the intent to keep China out of TPP is a moral victory for Obama and the clique but unenforceable as the Chinese has shown , in business the Indians and Chinese why they are alway miles ahead...they can just think out of the box and see a $ in every transaction

So the intent to keep China out of TPP

Wong again Lawence.

The design of TPP from its conception years ago was to include CCP China later, at a time and under the circumstance maximally favorable to the TPP member states.

Only after the TPP is adopted and in effect will CCP be considered and only after the rules had been agreed and established by the original democratic founding nations (democratic with a rare exception, such as Vietnam, which has been included for obvious SCS and other geostrategic reasons and purposes).

Publicus, I don't do things like tell you to ask your negro President to stop sending military ships to the Pacific. Why have you decided to write 'Wong again' to racially mock somebody ?

[ExpatOilWorker]

I say again you can deploy whatever submarines , cutter crafts , destroyers you want ....the Chinese have a resource only the Indians can match and that is people and there is nothing maniac about using that if it can prevent more civilian deaths through the carpet bombing strategy of the USA

There is no stomach to fight civilians and you can surround them or do what you wish ...there will be no fleet commander of any country that will ram a boat filed with civilians into the waters

Once they arrived at your ports ....you have the real Hollywood movie zombie scenario ....what do you do with hundreds of thousands flooding your shores within days ?

Send Brad Pitt against them ?

The Chinese are not war mongerers and have no interest to start any war ; but they are no longer as dumb and naive to believe the western's friendly intent and rightly so now are securing the islands where their military forces will give them first strike options rather than wait for the west to build those and be closer to China in the event of a war.

There is nothing mythical about it ...the USA have a known history of being a interfering bully who enjoys being nosy and then bombing and then disappearing with no real solutions leaving the mess for a " democratically installed government to fix" for decades to come with more street bombs and less civilian peace

The Chinese have no interest to see that happening and is defending its rights to its way of life

Is this the kind of exploitation tactic or strategy you're posting about, the use of CCP Chinese civilians in the SCS to be a CCP militia that keeps out fishing boats of other countries and also confronts the US Navy as well as other countries and their ships.

China trains 'fishing militia' to sail into disputed waters

Reuters | May 2, 2016,

BIMAJING: The fishing fleet based in this tiny port town on Hainan island is getting everything from military training and subsidies to even fuel and ice as China creates an increasingly sophisticated fishing militia to sail into the disputed South China Sea.

The training and support includes exercises at sea and requests to fishermen to gather information on foreign vessels, provincial government officials, regional diplomats fishing company executives said in recent interviews.

"The maritime militia is expanding because of the country's need for it, and because of the desire of the fishermen to engage in national service, protecting our country's interests," said an advisor to the Hainan government who did not want to be named.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/china/-China-trains-fishing-militia-to-sail-into-disputed-waters/articleshow/52073684.cms

Chinese state-corporate fishing industry boats are running out of fish in the CCP coastal and offshore waters and banks, shoals, islets. So CCP increasingly sends its state-corporate fishing industry boats and ships far afield to claim they are fishing in CCP territorial waters.

The Argentine Coast Guard last month had to blast a CCP corporate fishing industry ship out of its waters and to the bottom of the sea after the CCP fishers rammed it (the favorite CCP maritime tactic in disputes). Earlier this year Indonesia blew up a seized CCP state-corporate 300 ton fishing boat caught illegally in its waters.

An original and 'old fashioned' cause of conflict and war throughout the world is the ages old battle over resources. And China with its 1.6 billion population is in a category of its own in this regard (along with democratic India). After China and India comes the USA as the third most populous nation but a distant (and plump) third it is, with Indonesia fourth.

Fifty thousand CCP ordinary fishing boats are equipped with GPS to report on everything they see and that occurs within their locations. These fenqing style CCP fishing militia continually cite "defending Chinese sovereignty" as their motive in being a fenqing style of seagoing militia.

These fenqing style of civilian militia get resupplied at Woody Island in the Paracels Islands which has recently been built up with military capable airfields and supply sheds. The news report quotes many of the CCP fenqing style of civilian fisher militias as wanting to "raise the Chinese flag" over the Paracels in their entirety.

50,000 ships??

Soon they will be down in the antarctic hunting whales alongside the Japanese.

[Publicus]

I say again you can deploy whatever submarines , cutter crafts , destroyers you want ....the Chinese have a resource only the Indians can match and that is people and there is nothing maniac about using that if it can prevent more civilian deaths through the carpet bombing strategy of the USA

There is no stomach to fight civilians and you can surround them or do what you wish ...there will be no fleet commander of any country that will ram a boat filed with civilians into the waters

Once they arrived at your ports ....you have the real Hollywood movie zombie scenario ....what do you do with hundreds of thousands flooding your shores within days ?

Send Brad Pitt against them ?

The Chinese are not war mongerers and have no interest to start any war ; but they are no longer as dumb and naive to believe the western's friendly intent and rightly so now are securing the islands where their military forces will give them first strike options rather than wait for the west to build those and be closer to China in the event of a war.

There is nothing mythical about it ...the USA have a known history of being a interfering bully who enjoys being nosy and then bombing and then disappearing with no real solutions leaving the mess for a " democratically installed government to fix" for decades to come with more street bombs and less civilian peace

The Chinese have no interest to see that happening and is defending its rights to its way of life

Is this the kind of exploitation tactic or strategy you're posting about, the use of CCP Chinese civilians in the SCS to be a CCP militia that keeps out fishing boats of other countries and also confronts the US Navy as well as other countries and their ships.

China trains 'fishing militia' to sail into disputed waters

Reuters | May 2, 2016,

BIMAJING: The fishing fleet based in this tiny port town on Hainan island is getting everything from military training and subsidies to even fuel and ice as China creates an increasingly sophisticated fishing militia to sail into the disputed South China Sea.

The training and support includes exercises at sea and requests to fishermen to gather information on foreign vessels, provincial government officials, regional diplomats fishing company executives said in recent interviews.

"The maritime militia is expanding because of the country's need for it, and because of the desire of the fishermen to engage in national service, protecting our country's interests," said an advisor to the Hainan government who did not want to be named.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/china/-China-trains-fishing-militia-to-sail-into-disputed-waters/articleshow/52073684.cms

Chinese state-corporate fishing industry boats are running out of fish in the CCP coastal and offshore waters and banks, shoals, islets. So CCP increasingly sends its state-corporate fishing industry boats and ships far afield to claim they are fishing in CCP territorial waters.

The Argentine Coast Guard last month had to blast a CCP corporate fishing industry ship out of its waters and to the bottom of the sea after the CCP fishers rammed it (the favorite CCP maritime tactic in disputes). Earlier this year Indonesia blew up a seized CCP state-corporate 300 ton fishing boat caught illegally in its waters.

An original and 'old fashioned' cause of conflict and war throughout the world is the ages old battle over resources. And China with its 1.6 billion population is in a category of its own in this regard (along with democratic India). After China and India comes the USA as the third most populous nation but a distant (and plump) third it is, with Indonesia fourth.

Fifty thousand CCP ordinary fishing boats are equipped with GPS to report on everything they see and that occurs within their locations. These fenqing style CCP fishing militia continually cite "defending Chinese sovereignty" as their motive in being a fenqing style of seagoing militia.

These fenqing style of civilian militia get resupplied at Woody Island in the Paracels Islands which has recently been built up with military capable airfields and supply sheds. The news report quotes many of the CCP fenqing style of civilian fisher militias as wanting to "raise the Chinese flag" over the Paracels in their entirety.

50,000 ships??

Soon they will be down in the antarctic hunting whales alongside the Japanese.

That is quite the large number yes, but the party-state CCP has many more fishing vessels to its state-corporate industry.

The government has also provided Global Positioning Satellite equipment for at least 50,000 vessels, enabling them to contact the Chinese Coast Guard in maritime emergencies, including encounters with foreign ships, industry executives said.

Several Hainan fishermen and diplomats told Reuters some vessels have small arms.

When "a particular mission in safeguarding sovereignty", comes up government authorities will coordinate with the fishing militia, the advisor said, asking them to gather information on the activities of foreign vessels at sea.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/china/-China-trains-fishing-militia-to-sail-into-disputed-waters/articleshow/52073684.cms

CCP isn't going to be doing anything with the Japanese. Not ever. The accurate verb is do. The reference is to the "Patriotic Education Campaign" of the CCP in all schools since 1991, designed (successfully) to bury awareness of the 1989 Tiananmen Square Massacre by in large part shifting focus to Japan as the oppressor. It fuels the fenqing, i.e., Chinese "angry youth" nationalists and ethnic racists.

In extreme cases this education has been all too effective, breeding xenophobia and an excess of nationalism. Anti-Japanese prejudice fueled protests in 2005 and 2012 by fenqing, a Chinese term meaning “angry youth.” Their nationalism can even risk going beyond the more moderate party line.

One user on popular social media platform Weibo — whose online name is simply “Bored, on Weibo” — wrote in the run-up to Victory Day: “Whenever I have nothing to do I go online to watch television shows about fighting Little Japan. Even though they’re actors playing the Japanese Devils, every time the little devils are killed my heart fills with joy.”

http://foreignpolicy.com/2015/09/02/china-parade-nationalism-youth-world-war-two-japan/

Edited May 2, 2016 by Publicus

[Publicus]

If the CCP Dynasty of Dictators in Beijing want to impose sanctions against USA companies that sell armaments to Taiwan, then what might we expect concerning US activities in the SCS.

CCP have already imposed on its own severe limitations on imports from the Philippines due to the Phils' hostilities over the CCP Dictators' seizure of Philippine territories in the SCS over several years.

China threatens sanctions against U.S. companies

Posted by Craig Hill ⋅ January 29, 2016

China has long argued that only sanctions imposed by the United Nations Security Council are legitimate. Yet, Beijing has not strictly adhered to this policy. In 2012, for example, it unilaterally limited imports of fruit and vegetables from the Philippines in retaliation for a dispute over claims in the South China Sea.

But China’s public threat over Taiwan marks a major escalation in its apparent willingness to deploy sanctions of its own against U.S. companies engaging in business, particularly business that is expressly authorised by the Obama administration and publicly supported by many in Congress.

Washington needs to make clear to Beijing that the U.S. government will support American companies threatened by sanctions. Senior U.S. officials should emphasise that Washington views China’s threat as unacceptable and that the United States will encourage American companies to participate in the deal with Taiwan despite the threat.

https://chinadailymail.com/2016/01/29/china-threatens-sanctions-against-u-s-companies/

Edited May 2, 2016 by Publicus