Findings show Chokechai Farm’s land encroaches on public land



KORAT: -- Nakhon Ratchasima’s panel charged with resolving land encroachment problem is considering revoking ten land title deeds of Chokechai Farm which were found to have encroached on public land.

Pak Chong district chief officer Mr Panya Wongsrikaew disclosed on Thursday that a fact-finding committee tasked with investigating complaints lodged against Chokechai Farm by residents of Ban Hin Ploeng in Tambon Khanong Phra, Pak Chong district, accusing the diary company of encroaching on a public land covering a distance of about two kilometers long.

The committee has confirmed that the complaints are substantiated and decided to submit its findings to the provincial panel charged with resolving land encroachment problem in Nakhon Ratchasima province.

Governor Wichien Chantharanothai, meanwhile, said that another probe was ordered which could lead to the revocation of the land title deeds of Chokechai Farm.

Source: http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/content/160553


-- Thai PBS 2016-04-22

Looks like bosses at Chockchai forgot the brown envelopes.

A committee finds there's something wrong and now another committee to decide what to do which will submit its recommendations to the committee overseeing the whole issue.

Edited April 21, 201610 yr by NongKhaiKid

No shock there, this place was set up many years ago, in the times where property's boundaries could

be starched to suit the amounts in the envelops, not that much changed now, but now people started

to wake up and ask, why they can and we can't?......

....'par for the course'....

Cash cow in the making for someone!

Please get on with it: Seize the land and file criminal charges,

This case is just another example of how endemic corruption is in Thailand and has been for a long time. To have title deeds issued in the name of a private individual or company for public land is no small undertaking. There have to be many people involved. Surveyors, lawyers, public servants both at District and national Government level and willing 'owners' with deep pockets.

Will anything meaningful happen? Prosecution and goal time for those involved? Doubtful although some scapegoat may be offered to slaughter.

It wouldn't be surprising if Chocechai Farm made payment (s) to legalise the title deeds.

Not defending the rich owner here, but just saying he bought land over 30 years ago, boundaries are not clearly marked back then and authorities did not bother to check as well. So it could be that its simple as that, this is from what I heard from friends who lives around Khao Yai area, many Bangkok investor over the years are buying up land without knowledge of fake title deeds or incorrectly marked boundaries on their titles deeds.

The best way is to have autorities verify it during time of purchase, but many don't follow this procedure as they believe whatever is in the government issue title must be correct.

Be interesting to see how this one plays out as they have a lot of clout with a govt minister to call on - unlike the Bonanza lot who are involved in the same set of enquiries.

Edited April 22, 201610 yr by Orac

Not defending the rich owner here, but just saying he bought land over 30 years ago, boundaries are not clearly marked back then and authorities did not bother to check as well. So it could be that its simple as that, this is from what I heard from friends who lives around Khao Yai area, many Bangkok investor over the years are buying up land without knowledge of fake title deeds or incorrectly marked boundaries on their titles deeds.

The best way is to have autorities verify it during time of purchase, but many don't follow this procedure as they believe whatever is in the government issue title must be correct.

You mean have it verified by the land office who will then issue an official document detailing the exact surface and position of the land ?

I would be very surprised if 30 year old chanotes can be revoked.

Not defending the rich owner here, but just saying he bought land over 30 years ago, boundaries are not clearly marked back then and authorities did not bother to check as well. So it could be that its simple as that, this is from what I heard from friends who lives around Khao Yai area, many Bangkok investor over the years are buying up land without knowledge of fake title deeds or incorrectly marked boundaries on their titles deeds.

The best way is to have autorities verify it during time of purchase, but many don't follow this procedure as they believe whatever is in the government issue title must be correct.

You mean have it verified by the land office who will then issue an official document detailing the exact surface and position of the land ?

I would be very surprised if 30 year old chanotes can be revoked.

I mean they can go measure and mark exactly where your boundary is, I have a piece of empty land where over the years, people / cars start to run on it as the land is on the corner, public unpaved road requires a 90 degree sharp turn, so over the years people start to run on my land as its more convienient than making a sharp turn. Fearing that locals might raised an issue later down the road and I may have to give up part of the land, I have the autorities come along with the phu yai baan to witness where my boundaries are, put down stakes to mark my boundary.

So that is what I meant by it in my previous post. Having on paper is one thing, but if your boundary is wrong to begin with is another issue that you may not know.

Not defending the rich owner here, but just saying he bought land over 30 years ago, boundaries are not clearly marked back then and authorities did not bother to check as well. So it could be that its simple as that, this is from what I heard from friends who lives around Khao Yai area, many Bangkok investor over the years are buying up land without knowledge of fake title deeds or incorrectly marked boundaries on their titles deeds.

The best way is to have autorities verify it during time of purchase, but many don't follow this procedure as they believe whatever is in the government issue title must be correct.

You mean have it verified by the land office who will then issue an official document detailing the exact surface and position of the land ?

I would be very surprised if 30 year old chanotes can be revoked.

I mean they can go measure and mark exactly where your boundary is, I have a piece of empty land where over the years, people / cars start to run on it as the land is on the corner, public unpaved road requires a 90 degree sharp turn, so over the years people start to run on my land as its more convienient than making a sharp turn. Fearing that locals might raised an issue later down the road and I may have to give up part of the land, I have the autorities come along with the phu yai baan to witness where my boundaries are, put down stakes to mark my boundary.

So that is what I meant by it in my previous post. Having on paper is one thing, but if your boundary is wrong to begin with is another issue that you may not know.

yes, you did the right thing, your land stood the risk of being mutated into public land due to habits of the locals over the years.

but that is the opposite case of what happens with Chokchai - there instead they have 30 year old land titles and have been using the land... that's the point I was trying to make, it might well be too late for the government to claim the land back, erroneous land title or not.

it would be nice to know if jurisprudence exists for similar cases or not.

Edited April 22, 201610 yr by manarak

What about Mr Chokchai's cache of weapon's at his museum near Future Park, Rangsit and god knows what other guns he has stashed around in other owned properties? Enough to start a mini war.

Despite being a cowboy and producer of fine steaks, the tour guide seemed to imply that Mr. Chokchai prefers to collect the guns, not shoot with them. They do indeed appear to be in pristine condition, for what it’s worth. It’s a bit hard to see, but the bottom row features a ‘Bear Attacks of the Century’ book, paired with emergency blankets and decent-sized piece. To the left, another collector’s set pairing the makings of a poker game centered around a gun.

http://www.oneweirdglobe.com/destination-chokchai-museum-sexy-cars-swarovsky-crystals-and-scads-of-skulls/

They stole the land now make them pay maybe these rich elites will think twice.

A committee finds there's something wrong and now another committee to decide what to do which will submit its recommendations to the committee overseeing the whole issue.

Relax its a committed society committed to finding out the truth.

Not defending the rich owner here, but just saying he bought land over 30 years ago, boundaries are not clearly marked back then and authorities did not bother to check as well.

Oh please, I have been around for over 30 years and even 30 years ago most land was clearly marked. That influential people have been encroaching on public land is a given. I live up north and in our district a local influential person bribed some bureaucrats to actually change the maps at the Amphoe for land up in the Mae Sa Valley. Out in Sankampeng a well known influential family encroached on public forest land which led to the suspicious death of a local school head who had led the local protest movement, and that led to protest marches by teachers in downtown Chiang Mai. A local resort in my village is built upon what was once land considered part of the local school property. The Four Seasons Resort in Mae Rim is built upon former public land. The Phuket Yacht Club is built on former public land. The belief that these people did not know that they are encroaching upon or bribing their way onto titles of public land is laughable at best. The Sino-Thai elite have been extracting everything from the public domain for over two centuries, including land, and they know exactly what they are doing.

accusing the diary company of encroaching on a public land covering a distance of about two kilometers long.

So this is where they make "diaries". Huh, never knew they came from farms. Maybe they make the paper from cow manure!