Zaw Lin and Wai Phyo – innocent in the 'trial by social media'

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Zaw Lin and Wai Phyo – innocent in the 'trial by social media'



SAMUI: -- On the 4th of October 2014 two 21 year old migrant workers from Myanmar, Zaw Lin and Wai Phyo were charged with murdering two British backpackers on Siree Beach in Koh Tao.

Chillingly, this came as little surprise to ex-pat residents, not only on Koh Tao but in Koh Phangan and Koh Samui. Wai Phyo Zaw LinNot because the ex-pat population of the three popular island holiday destinations in the Gulf of Thailand knew the two young men, or their friends or indeed their families, but because mutterings of “you wait, they will fit Burmese up for this crime”.

Interestingly these rumours started circulating before Montriwat Tuwichian had even been put in the clear after being identified as a suspect by Pol Lt-Gen Panya Mamen and arrested.

Montriwat’s nephew Nomsod, the son of the village headman Worapan Tuwichian was also identified as a suspected by the General, who said both men were captured on CCTV and there was enough evidence to implicate them in the murders.

Rich and powerful players not only on the small diving Mecca of Koh Tao but with powerful connections to police, prosecutors, judges and the army it came as no surprise to anybody who has spent more than a fleeting visit to the islands that they were soon cleared of all involvement in the case.

By the time prime minister Prayut Chan o cha had announced that he could not guarantee the safety of good looking western women in bikinis and that no Thai could have committed such a heinous crime the local communities were already drawing breath wondering who would be unfortunate enough to become the fall guys for this crime, the mutterings between ex residents reached as far as New Zealand, Scandinavia, the UK and Australia.



They did not have to wait long. Little over two week after the horrific crimes that shook the nation as well as the rest of the world took place Zaw Lin and Wai Phyo were arrested and it was announced they had admitted to the crimes.

Behind closed doors murmurs of disbelief were rife, people were discussing the case in hushed voices and out the earshot of anybody connected to police or what has been termed in the press as the local mafia.

Nobody was shouting in the streets, nobody was protesting, in fact nobody was doing anything other than standing in quiet astonishment that two tiny, young, naive looking Burmese men could have committed the most hideous crime the local community had seen to date.

The other interesting fact is that at this time, nobody was breathing a sigh of relief, nobody was congratulating the police on their investigation and nobody was having a go at the hundreds of other members of the Burmese community as one might expect when members of an ethnic minority deem it appropriate to massacre two innocent young travellers.

No witnesses came forward to verify the police’s claims, no character witnesses came forward to perhaps tell their stories about the two men and their dodgy dealings, aggressive behaviour, drunken violence or the hatred of women they would have to possess in order to commit such a crime.

Nobody said anything, it all went eerily quiet until all hell broke loose on social media as over 700,000 followers of the Facebook Page CSI LA found a voice and produced way more evidence in defence of the boys than was ever seen in court.

With graphic images of the crime scene available to anybody with more than a fleeing interest in the case thanks to the police’s complete lack of due diligence in securing the crime scene and police and rescue workers feverishly uploading the ghastly photos of the scene to Facebook pages and other social media sites, amateur sleuths for the first time could draw their own conclusions with actual evidence direct from the scene within hours of the bodies being discovered.



Did over half a million people join together to try to prove Zaw Lin and Wai Phyo did not commit these diabolical crimes because they knew them? Because they had met them?

Because they had lived on Koh Tao and been in their company previously? No, it was because for the first time, thanks to social media, people who have experience of Justice Thai style could come together and have a voice.

With false names, untraceable IP addresses and the cloak of anonymity a new community formed and CSI LA and Thai Visa was buzzing with claims of mafia, corruption and scapegoating that clearly is nothing new in the minds of anybody who has any connection with the southern Thai islands.

No mention was made of what a great relief it was that two psychopathic killers were no longer on the loose, and the beaches of Koh Tao were once again safe to enjoy.

All we saw was outrage that once again those in power had managed to ‘get away with murder’ except this time the online community were standing up in defence of two men 99% of them had never encountered.

Never before had so many people come together to discuss a crime committed on Thai soil. The online community analysed the photographs of the ‘running man’ seen going to and from the crime scene during the small hours of the morning.

Interestingly Montriwat first claimed to be the man on the CCTV TV but later police confirmed it was Wai Phyo, despite the fact that Wai Phyo has a small thinning patch of hair that did not show up on the images, and that in fact Nomsod has a rather than more passing resemblance to the images seen and that during the court case an expert testified that thanks the to the unique gait of the man, it could not have been the defendant.



The online community asked questions such as if the two were guilty why were no witnesses coming forward, why was there a shroud of silence on Koh Tao?

Why was everybody afraid to speak and other questions were raised to such as why did some of the crime scene photos after the two bodies had been removed from the beach show the victims clothes strewn all over the sand when photos on the same beach that contained the body of David clearly showed their clothes piled neatly on a rock.

Why were Hannah’s clothes never tested for DNA and where did the clothes go? Why was David wearing one sock? Why would anybody going for a midnight swim or a romantic moment with a beau on the beach remove all his clothes other than one black sock?

Why was the hoe moved from the scene of the crime and then later placed back there. How could any crime scene produce concrete evidence of the kind suitable to sentence two men to death when dozens of people had trampled all over it.

Pictures of Nomsod soon popped up online that appeared to prove he was at his university in Bangkok and had not been on the island at the time of the crimes, however many found the date and times appeared to have been tampered with on the CCTV images designed to prove his whereabouts.

Images of burns and scalds found their way into the public domain that many believe proved police brutality and were evidence of torture.



Back on the ground the discussions of who committed the crimes were no longer held behind doors as the local community became aware of the fears of those who had taken their own look into the case.

The general feeling went from a fear of speaking to total outrage that two young men appeared to be taking the fall for a crime they had no involvement in, and if they really had been fitted up for simply being in the wrong place at the wrong time, then was anybody safe?

Even local police were speaking to their ex-pat friends freely admitting they also believed the men behind bars had nothing to do with the crime and congratulating those who helped them.

Support for the two Burmese was strong on all three islands. Groups of Ex-pats rallied round to support them and later their mothers who arrived on the islands to support them during the court case that stretched over three months.

With some fear still in place donations were handed over in secret from members of the Koh Samui community who were still too afraid to show their support in public for fear of reprisal, and mutterings of “I can’t be seen to help, I have to live here” left the lips of many raising funds to support the who men as well as those endlessly researching the case in a hope of being the one who found the missing link that would give the men back their freedom.

These silent supporters came from every walk of life, every industry and every community on the islands united in their wish to see real justice done, not another case of what they believed to be the rich getting away with murder and the reputation of the islands being saved by who hapless innocents who would become the 3rd and 4th victims of the hideous crimes.

One small team of Ex-pats were less afraid, visited the two men in jail, passed on the endless messages of support from the islands and the rest of the world, gave moral and financial support and later supported the mothers of the two men, who had long since retracted the confessions they say were made under duress, proving food, housing and transport to and from the prison and the court hearings.

99% of those who got involved with the ‘online case’ support the two men the remaining 1% claim the right men are behind bars. While trial by social media bears no weight in the court there is no doubt that Zaw Lin and Wai Phyo draw great strength from behind bars knowing that hundreds and thousands of people believe in their innocence, and a great many of them continue to fight to prove it.

Source: http://www.samuitimes.com/zaw-lin-and-wai-phyo-innocent-in-the-trial-by-social-media/

-- Samui Times 2016-04-25

[balo]

Yes we all know about this now , but what is the meaning of the article ? That the "social media trial" was right ?

[JLCrab]

From the above Post #1: "No mention was made of what a great relief it was that two psychopathic killers were no longer on the loose, and the beaches of Koh Tao were once again safe to enjoy."

Since the two murders last September 2014 and the arrest of the 2 now convicted of those crimes, no one has fortunately similarly been bludgeoned to death and left on the beaches of Koh Tao. When that has ever been mentioned before on these pages, the response has generally been:

Those psychopathic killers still on the loose are clever and just biding their time.

Edited April 24, 2016 by JLCrab

[007cableguy]

Let's hope justice prevails and these guys are released!

[smedly]

The key is the fact that the police/prosecution have never been able to produce the "original" DNA samples that they claim match B2, the prosecution did offer up some already processed samples which for verification purposes are useless because there is no way to tell where they came from, they could in fact be processed samples of the B2's saliva, the defence rightly refused to accept these for retest

The original claimed DNA samples would/should have been huge in quantity - massive by DNA standards and yet they no longer exist.

These original samples would have been bagged and tagged from the crime scene and the autopsy and yet they cannot be produced. There is something fundamentally wrong with that no matter how you look at it.

[JLCrab]

The team of international DNA experts preparing the appeal for the 2 convicted have just received their fourth 30-day extension so maybe the DNA matters in the case are not so neatly categorized as might be indicated above.

[Happy Grumpy]

Let's hope justice prevails and these guys are released!

Wouldn't justice prevailing mean the real killers being found guilty and sentences in a court of law?

[nikmar]

and so it begins again........

[Crash999]

What a pile of garbage. All these same issues all over again.

Like lack of witnesses... Does the author truly believe that there would be witnesses to the murder hanging around that cove in the middle of the night? It's almost as if the author wasn't familiar with the case at all and just read some conspiracy Facebook pages.

[Crash999]

The key is the fact that the police/prosecution have never been able to produce the "original" DNA samples that they claim match B2, the prosecution did offer up some already processed samples which for verification purposes are useless because there is no way to tell where they came from, they could in fact be processed samples of the B2's saliva, the defence rightly refused to accept these for retest

The original claimed DNA samples would/should have been huge in quantity - massive by DNA standards and yet they no longer exist.

These original samples would have been bagged and tagged from the crime scene and the autopsy and yet they cannot be produced. There is something fundamentally wrong with that no matter how you look at it.

A quick Google search shows that the DNA evidence was finally presented to the defense after the 'all used up' controversy. Yet when it was available they declined to test.

[scorecard]

Let's hope justice prevails and these guys are released!

Wouldn't justice prevailing mean the real killers being found guilty and sentences in a court of law?

No, it means both.

[Richard Hall]

And here we go again.

All said/written already countless times. Obviously, media cannot wait for for the appeal court proceedings or have nothing else to write about and before the ink gets dry just stir old stories back up again.

Anyway, one may ask oneself what the real status is and hence better take a look at this for example:

http://www.irrawaddy.com/burma/thai-court-sets-final-appeal-deadline-for-koh-tao-murder-case.html

If social media rules this planet mankind will be doomed for sure.

[cumgranosalum]

Thai authorities might want to ask themselves how they will look if/when these guys are shown to be innocent or another perpetrator is found......and they have executed them.......little bit too final considering the amount of debatable content surrounding this case

[madmitch]

Slow news time in Samui? I can't think of any other reason why this article of reconstituted issues should be published at this time.

[rmacee]

I come from London and I say ..shame and shame again on the British involvement that, with intent or otherwise, failed hopelessly to secure an full detailed understanding of why 2 British nationals died ..and detailed DNA for future reference ..

Edited April 25, 2016 by rmacee

[stephenterry]

And the trolls arrive to spread the same misinformation and inaccuracies

[Card]

After initially believing in the innocence of the two charged men, I now believe the family of the murdered man who strongly believe in their guilt after consultations with UK police involved with the matter and their attendance at court. It was difficult to accept but they are the ones who had the most interest in deciding the guilt or otherwise of the two charged men and must have looked very critically at the evidence presented so I believe them.

What I don't agree with, however, is the death penalty for the two men in case any further evidence is presented in the future that would overturn their convictions.

Edited April 25, 2016 by Card

[cumgranosalum]

Slow news time in Samui? I can't think of any other reason why this article of reconstituted issues should be published at this time.

British TV just aired a documentary on the whole thing.

[cumgranosalum]

After initially believing in the innocence of the two charged men, I now believe the family of the murdered man who strongly believe in their guilt after consultations with UK police involved with the matter and their attendance at court. It was difficult to accept but they are the ones who had the most interest in deciding the guilt or otherwise of the two charged men and must have looked very critically at the evidence presented so I believe them.

What I don't agree with, however, is the death penalty for the two men in case any further evidence is presented in the future that would overturn their convictions.

That is complete tosh! The last people you would ask for an opinion about this are those who have a huge vested emotional interest in it.

[ianf]

Slow news time in Samui? I can't think of any other reason why this article of reconstituted issues should be published at this time.

How can the people/person who did this terrible crime live with himself? He has two people in prison under the sentence of death for something they clearly did not do. He murdered two people for his own psychopathic desires and has caused endless pain, emotional and otherwise to many people. It is beyond me to countenance such mentality. It's about time the Thais fingered him and put an end to the misery that this has caused.

[cumgranosalum]

this isn't a "whodunnit" - regardless of who is guilty or not the procedures by both police and courts were so shoddy that any conviction - let alone a death penalty - is just too questionable to be enacted.

the thai authorities by their handling of this affair have lost all credibility

[PhillyBoy]

I wiĺl add my 2 cents again. They got the right 2. No mafia...just 2 dirtbags and they got caught. The british police got involved and no way would they not have said something if they knew these 2 were innocent! Stop already and execute them and be finished.

[Eric Loh]

Seem the crackdown on influential people has been highly selective.

[stephenterry]

After initially believing in the innocence of the two charged men, I now believe the family of the murdered man who strongly believe in their guilt after consultations with UK police involved with the matter and their attendance at court. It was difficult to accept but they are the ones who had the most interest in deciding the guilt or otherwise of the two charged men and must have looked very critically at the evidence presented so I believe them.

What I don't agree with, however, is the death penalty for the two men in case any further evidence is presented in the future that would overturn their convictions.

That is complete tosh! The last people you would ask for an opinion about this are those who have a huge vested emotional interest in it.

Yes, cum, exactly...I would also have believed them if they had any verifiable evidence that could be substantiated and validated, but they didn't - including the alleged DNA found. It was more like 'they did it' because we said so, therefore they're guilty, type of evidence.

[cumgranosalum]

I wiĺl add my 2 cents again. They got the right 2. No mafia...just 2 dirtbags and they got caught. The british police got involved and no way would they not have said something if they knew these 2 were innocent! Stop already and execute them and be finished.

even if you are right, it is completely irrelevant - the investigation and subsequent trial were too badly run to get a credible conviction.

[blundaman]

me too non-sense:

from the very first day

http://www.prachatai.com/english/node/4373

same same but diffident

A TAXI driver on Koh Tao off the Surat Thani coast yesterday went public with his accusation that police investigating the murders of two British tourists had tried to intimidate him into providing false testimony.

In a media interview yesterday, Prasit Sukdam also accused the police of giving him a large sum of money in exchange for false testimony to frame the wrong people. He claimed the money was taken from the Bt700,000 offered as a reward by Koh Tao residents for information leading to the arrest of the killers.

Separately, Prime Minister Prayut Chan-o-cha dismissed reports that tourists will be encouraged to wear wristbands or register electronically upon arrival in addition to passport verification at the airport. "We can't make them wear any chip-embedded device. We want them to keep visiting Thailand," he added.

Meanwhile, Prasit brought the issue up with Assawin sae-Phoo, head of local taxi drivers on the tourist island, citing "fear for his life after turning down the offer". Assawin later took Prasit's complaint to Korbchai Saowalak, the kamnan of tambon Koh Tao.

Korbchai then spoke publicly to the police, calling on them to not work on the case in an aggressive manner and not find scapegoats. "Don't harm innocent people or frighten them," he said.

Speaking later to reporters, Prasit said: "I don't want to take any action against the policemen, but want to demonstrate my innocence and I will cooperate with other requests in the future. Just don't force me to acknowledge [something] I never knew [about]," he said.

Prasit admitted to celebrating with a football team after a match at an unnamed pub on the night of the murders, but said he knew nothing about the team members' activities or police suspicions about them.

He said some policemen approached him at 1.30pm on Monday trying to convince him to cooperate and let him go five hours later.

Meanwhile, assistant national police chief Lt-General Jakthip Chaijinda has been instructed to supervise the investigation, taking over from Police Region 8 commander Lt-General Panya Manen who has been promoted to assistant national police chief. Officials said different police units should work together on the probe.

The Police Region 8 chief's post has been filled by Lt-General Decha Butrnamphet, who said later that the same set of investigators would continue working on the case.

...go figure?

[smedly]

The key is the fact that the police/prosecution have never been able to produce the "original" DNA samples that they claim match B2, the prosecution did offer up some already processed samples which for verification purposes are useless because there is no way to tell where they came from, they could in fact be processed samples of the B2's saliva, the defence rightly refused to accept these for retest

The original claimed DNA samples would/should have been huge in quantity - massive by DNA standards and yet they no longer exist.

These original samples would have been bagged and tagged from the crime scene and the autopsy and yet they cannot be produced. There is something fundamentally wrong with that no matter how you look at it.

A quick Google search shows that the DNA evidence was finally presented to the defense after the 'all used up' controversy. Yet when it was available they declined to test.

you evidently didn't read/understand or completely ignored my above post, so I will say it again ORIGINAL SAMPLES, you do understand what that means, what the prosecution offered was PROCESSED EXTRACTED DNA which is absolutely useless for verification purposes as there is no possible way to determine where it originated

Please don't start posting repeating your nonsense on this thread, I have taken the time to explain the facts to you and these are facts not just with this case but with any case involving DNA - original samples must be held for retesting

[smedly]

I wiĺl add my 2 cents again. They got the right 2. No mafia...just 2 dirtbags and they got caught. The british police got involved and no way would they not have said something if they knew these 2 were innocent! Stop already and execute them and be finished.

There are British police posting on this thread

[rebelplatoon]

Always the same nothing changes. Just like many other cases, even if you pass on evidence, it's never tracked or traced, because it doesn't fit the preferred outcome. But it's not only on the islands, it was the same with the Kirsty Jones murder in Chiang Mai. There it was a cop. Business as usual...

[arrowsdawdle]

Yes we all know about this now , but what is the meaning of the article ? That the "social media trial" was right ?

Like every conflict, being right is no assurance. You can be right and lose.