Yingluck tells Prayut to follow his own advices

[eggers]

Too bad she didn't use this logic when she was PM.

Instead different opinions might help to develop the country, she said.

To be fair to her I think that might have been her only good point. Even during the protests after the failed election she said that the proposals put forward by Abhisit should at least be looked at and discussed to try to find a way forward. Maybe if her advice had been followed thing may have turned out differently but that didn't seem to happen. But then she wasn't in charge was she.

Maybe if she listened to outsiders about the rice scam, or even insiders. Maybe if she listened to others about not trying to push forward the amnesty. Maybe....

She wasn't known for listening to those with opposing views.

If I remember correctly, in recent years, some other lot granted themselves amnesty without the parliamentary checks and balances of Yingluck's failed attempt. Any comment you'd like to make on that?

Maybe. But I have no idea what you are referring to. Sorry!

Craigt3365, you exhibit great creativity, imagination & writing skills..well done!!

You don't write scripts for a woman from the North & her Bro up to his armpits in sand , do you??

[Junkyarddog]

I have zero interest in what this women thinks or has to say.

[gemguy]

What did she say??

Those be fighting words

Dueling Pistols or Sabers.. which will it be???

[MZurf]

I have zero interest in what this women thinks or has to say.

Ah, so that's why you clicked on a link to a thread regarding her.....and then posted!!

[darren84310]

She's sounding more electable each day and the general is handing it to her on a plate.

[Johnniey]

Any journalist should know "advice" is a non countable noun. You can't say "advices" ! In the heading too!

[tukkytuktuk]

Once the referendum is over and Big P gets his way it will be court case drama autumn. You wait and see and the New Years day gift to the people will be poor Yingluck locked up for at least 2 years and big brother being persueded internationally. The people won't rise up. People seem content to be just sheep. No it will take a leader to stir the masses into revolt, where is she or he, who knows but one day the tide will turn.

[JAG]

I have zero interest in what this women thinks or has to say.

Yet you go to to the trouble to post this, so that we all know?

[Dumbastheycome]

But a call for extradition to answer to a list of other charges but requiring his presence to proceed under Thai law and initiated long before the current regime remains valid. Running from a undebatably correct sentence despite any position of privaledge was lesser than avoiding the high probability that additional correct verdicts of guilt would cripple a mock dynasty.

[yooyoo]

yingluck.jpg

A swan in a lake filled with quacking ducks.

She is a lovely woman...

[alanferdi]

Ms. Yinlguck forgets that she could ignore a question, smile nicely and leave. Prerogative of a woman. Men have no such options. She should ask her brother.

Inappropriate Question.jpg

Hmmm memory of a Gold fish.... or is this what Thais refer to as "sweet talk" keep at it and you will edge in again...

[LannaGuy]

as Thailand's last elected PM she is always calm and poised

[NongKhaiKid]

Would any television channel care to host an ' intellectual ' debate between YL and the PM ?

Maybe those channels usually associated with comedy and don't forget the bells, horns, drum rolls etc.

[craigt3365]

Craigt3365, you exhibit great creativity, imagination & writing skills..well done!!

You don't write scripts for a woman from the North & her Bro up to his armpits in sand , do you??

LOL. I'm no supporter of fugitives who run away from justice. I'm no supporter of corrupt politicians either. Of which Thailand has many, sadly. The average person here deserves better.

So, not red and not yellow. Just support those who are looking for a better political party to lead Thailand out of the mess it's created. Because it's a mess they created themselves.

Good post MZ. Thanks.

[eggers]

Craigt3365, you exhibit great creativity, imagination & writing skills..well done!!

You don't write scripts for a woman from the North & her Bro up to his armpits in sand , do you??

LOL. I'm no supporter of fugitives who run away from justice. I'm no supporter of corrupt politicians either. Of which Thailand has many, sadly. The average person here deserves better.

So, not red and not yellow. Just support those who are looking for a better political party to lead Thailand out of the mess it's created. Because it's a mess they created themselves.

Good post MZ. Thanks.

Exactly, well said, craigt3365... unfortunately MZ, seems to prefer comments off topic & was going to respond to MZ's but post dropped off!!

Edited May 3, 2016 by eggers

[kimamey]

Too bad she didn't use this logic when she was PM.

Instead different opinions might help to develop the country, she said.

To be fair to her I think that might have been her only good point. Even during the protests after the failed election she said that the proposals put forward by Abhisit should at least be looked at and discussed to try to find a way forward. Maybe if her advice had been followed thing may have turned out differently but that didn't seem to happen. But then she wasn't in charge was she.

Maybe if she listened to outsiders about the rice scam, or even insiders. Maybe if she listened to others about not trying to push forward the amnesty. Maybe....

She wasn't known for listening to those with opposing views.

As I said she wasn't in charge so it wasn't her that needed to listen. It's difficult to argue against the fact that she was just there to allow her brother control and do photo shoots. It shows that Thaksin was probably not that trusting of others in his party. I would never suggest she was anything other than a puppet but like anyone she has her good points and I think looking for compromise might be one of them. A couple of years ago had those above her listened things just might have have turned out differently. She may well have tried to persuade her brother to take a different route than just his amnesty which could have kept her as PM for longer but I get the impression he's not the sort to listen.

As for why she got herself into herself dragged into it I don't know but my best guess is that she doesn't appear to have ever had a proper job and those she has had she was given by her brother.

[kimamey]

Too bad she didn't use this logic when she was PM.

Instead different opinions might help to develop the country, she said.

To be fair to her I think that might have been her only good point. Even during the protests after the failed election she said that the proposals put forward by Abhisit should at least be looked at and discussed to try to find a way forward. Maybe if her advice had been followed thing may have turned out differently but that didn't seem to happen. But then she wasn't in charge was she.

Maybe if she listened to outsiders about the rice scam, or even insiders. Maybe if she listened to others about not trying to push forward the amnesty. Maybe....

She wasn't known for listening to those with opposing views.

If I remember correctly, in recent years, some other lot granted themselves amnesty without the parliamentary checks and balances of Yingluck's failed attempt. Any comment you'd like to make on that?

Is there a reason why you can't mention the other lot might be? It would make it much easier to comment specifically.

[LannaGuy]

As I said she wasn't in charge so it wasn't her that needed to listen. It's difficult to argue against the fact that she was just there to allow her brother control and do photo shoots. It shows that Thaksin was probably not that trusting of others in his party. I would never suggest she was anything other than a puppet but like anyone she has her good points and I think looking for compromise might be one of them. A couple of years ago had those above her listened things just might have have turned out differently. She may well have tried to persuade her brother to take a different route than just his amnesty which could have kept her as PM for longer but I get the impression he's not the sort to listen.

As for why she got herself into herself dragged into it I don't know but my best guess is that she doesn't appear to have ever had a proper job and those she has had she was given by her brother.

"as i said" "difficult to argue" any EVIDENCE or are you just making it up as usual? but... but... Thaksin is boring and wearing VERY thin

you are just a victim of the yellow propaganda but be nice if you tried engaging the critical thinking process occasionally?

[LannaGuy]

Too bad she didn't use this logic when she was PM.

Instead different opinions might help to develop the country, she said.

To be fair to her I think that might have been her only good point. Even during the protests after the failed election she said that the proposals put forward by Abhisit should at least be looked at and discussed to try to find a way forward. Maybe if her advice had been followed thing may have turned out differently but that didn't seem to happen. But then she wasn't in charge was she.

Maybe if she listened to outsiders about the rice scam, or even insiders. Maybe if she listened to others about not trying to push forward the amnesty. Maybe....

She wasn't known for listening to those with opposing views.

If I remember correctly, in recent years, some other lot granted themselves amnesty without the parliamentary checks and balances of Yingluck's failed attempt. Any comment you'd like to make on that?

Is there a reason why you can't mention the other lot might be? It would make it much easier to comment specifically.

is there any reason you cannot engage a smidgen of knowledge that the junta granted themselves amnesty? going by your comments you are not cognizant of the facts so I'd stop the posts if I were you

[Holy Cinema]

Craigt3365, you exhibit great creativity, imagination & writing skills..well done!!

You don't write scripts for a woman from the North & her Bro up to his armpits in sand , do you??

LOL. I'm no supporter of fugitives who run away from justice. I'm no supporter of corrupt politicians either. Of which Thailand has many, sadly. The average person here deserves better.

So, not red and not yellow. Just support those who are looking for a better political party to lead Thailand out of the mess it's created. Because it's a mess they created themselves.

Good post MZ. Thanks.

But you are a supporter of an organisation which staged a military coup, which many people would consider treason?

But you're a supporter of corrupt police and military officers ? because it's only corrupt politicians who are an issue?

That mess being created is made by a military that cannot stay out of politics who have 19 times in the past stepped over that line.

That mess is caused when you have the likes of Suthep and Juttaporn as pit bulls for people in higher positions.

That mess is caused when you have monks who have become political mouth pieces and who have forgotten why they become monks in the first place and what it means to be a Buddhist.

That mess is only going to get worse in the very near future.

The stakes are very high, very high indeed.

[craigt3365]

But you are a supporter of an organisation which staged a military coup, which many people would consider treason?

But you're a supporter of corrupt police and military officers ? because it's only corrupt politicians who are an issue?

That mess being created is made by a military that cannot stay out of politics who have 19 times in the past stepped over that line.

That mess is caused when you have the likes of Suthep and Juttaporn as pit bulls for people in higher positions.

That mess is caused when you have monks who have become political mouth pieces and who have forgotten why they become monks in the first place and what it means to be a Buddhist.

That mess is only going to get worse in the very near future.

The stakes are very high, very high indeed.

Where did I ever say I supported corrupt police and military officers? The mess was made by corrupt politicians. Period.

Be nice.

[phoenixdoglover]

Yingluck takes the high road, and the mud flies at TVF.

Again.

I thought YL made some valid points, irrespective of her past.

[kimamey]

Too bad she didn't use this logic when she was PM.

Instead different opinions might help to develop the country, she said.

To be fair to her I think that might have been her only good point. Even during the protests after the failed election she said that the proposals put forward by Abhisit should at least be looked at and discussed to try to find a way forward. Maybe if her advice had been followed thing may have turned out differently but that didn't seem to happen. But then she wasn't in charge was she.

Maybe if she listened to outsiders about the rice scam, or even insiders. Maybe if she listened to others about not trying to push forward the amnesty. Maybe....

She wasn't known for listening to those with opposing views.

If I remember correctly, in recent years, some other lot granted themselves amnesty without the parliamentary checks and balances of Yingluck's failed attempt. Any comment you'd like to make on that?

Is there a reason why you can't mention the other lot might be? It would make it much easier to comment specifically.

is there any reason you cannot engage a smidgen of knowledge that the junta granted themselves amnesty? going by your comments you are not cognizant of the facts so I'd stop the posts if I were you

I was asking jesimps as it was their post but you seem to know what they meant so are acting as spokesperson.

I can't see any reason not to say they mean the junta or leaders of the current administration. I'm aware of the amnesty in question and I've said in other posts that the current and previous heads of the military will want to retain the ability to step in if their amnesty is threatened. Their amnesty could just be overturned by a new government plus there are possible legal challenges that I think could be mounted. Unfortunately it's not possible under current rules to explain this. Trust me I've tried.

The other point is that jesimps might have been referring to Abhisit and Suthep. It's true that they didn't actually give themselves an amnesty as it was just part of the Emergency Decree

on

Public Administration in Emergency Situation, B.E. 2548 (2005) and they subsequently turned down a later amnesty. That emergency decree was signed by the PM of the day who seems to be something of an expert on the art of the amnesty. I won't mention his name in case you go off on another rant.

[mike324]

funny how politicians keep on saying the same things their opposition said...in the end everyone is still the same same

[kimamey]

As I said she wasn't in charge so it wasn't her that needed to listen. It's difficult to argue against the fact that she was just there to allow her brother control and do photo shoots. It shows that Thaksin was probably not that trusting of others in his party. I would never suggest she was anything other than a puppet but like anyone she has her good points and I think looking for compromise might be one of them. A couple of years ago had those above her listened things just might have have turned out differently. She may well have tried to persuade her brother to take a different route than just his amnesty which could have kept her as PM for longer but I get the impression he's not the sort to listen.

As for why she got herself into herself dragged into it I don't know but my best guess is that she doesn't appear to have ever had a proper job and those she has had she was given by her brother.

"as i said" "difficult to argue" any EVIDENCE or are you just making it up as usual? but... but... Thaksin is boring and wearing VERY thin

you are just a victim of the yellow propaganda but be nice if you tried engaging the critical thinking process occasionally?

"As I said" means as I said in my previous post which if you check you'll find I did. "Difficult to argue". Based on what I know, which doesn't include being but personally involved, yes I think it is. I notice you've not supplied any contradictory evidence. Do I usually make things up? Maybe you can show me where. I never said "but Thaksin" however it's difficult not to mention him as he's involved as he still is today. Just check out the threads on here in the past week or so.

My reasoning behind saying that it's difficult to argue against Yingluck being just a puppet is this. I know that Thaksin was restricted in who he would like to be leader and possibly PM due to the political bans on many of his party including Yingluck's sister but I find it hard to believe that as he and the party looked at all the possible choices, some of them family and many very experienced, that a woman with no interest or experience of politics who just happens to be his sister was the one they considered the best option. Think about it. If the Democrats got rid of Abhisit as leader and then won an election and chose as leader and PM a woman of no experience who just happened to be a relative of Suthep would you think she was in charge? I certainly wouldn't.

Many supporter of the reds and PTP have said that a lot of people voted for PTP and Yingluck because they knew he'd be in charge. I know some like that myself. The slogan "Thaksin thinks PTP acts" is a big clue and I've read interviews with Thaksin were he pointed to that himself. He never claims complete control but it's pretty close.

As for my statement that Yingluck doesn't seem to have had a proper job I had it on this. If you look at her jobs, and in particular as CEO of AIS surely that would have involved a lot of meetings and being able to stand up and defend your actions and plans for the future of the company. That's something that she either was unable to do or was considered by others unable to do so she spent a lot of time out of the country. I wouldn't think many CEOs if challenged on the performance of future of their company would say I don't know about it, I wasn't at the meeting and I can't talk I'm off to catch a plane. I believe she admitted in court that she's never been to a rice committee meeting despite being chairwoman.

This all started because I tried to defend her against people who said she never listened to other peoples views. I can't prove it but there are things that suggest she might have done but she was prevented from acting on them. I'd need evidence to believe she was really in charge but if it hadn't been for all the problems with the rice scheme, which Thaksin has said was his idea, then she might have the qualities to enable moderates on both sides to come together.

Still it you think she's responsible for everything then fine. Maybe you should ask her what happened to the justice she promised for those killed in 2010.

[rubl]

as Thailand's last elected PM she is always calm and poised

with the odd tear when those brutes of men get nasty.

[yooyoo]

yingluck.jpg

A swan in a lake filled with quacking ducks.

I would love to take her out for dinner... I think she is overdue for a bit of relaxing and fun...

[greenchair]

When she was PM...Thailand was more appealing and attractive...

Now, we need to be cautious of LM, computer crime act, national security,referendum act, being rude.

And then there's section 44, that can race through a tailor made law to match whatever it is the government perceive has been done wrong. Thai visa is nerve racking these days.

[oldsailor35]

Don't recall the Statements attributed to PM Prayut being publicly reported on at the time.

So now Yingluck is commenting on a conversation between her & PM Prayut some time ago, that was a private conversation.

As other have observed, obviously the "Puppeteer from Dubai" is sticking his oar in once again, to stir the pot & create dissent.

The man is a megalomaniac; time Gov't took a strong stance against Thaksin & have him extradited & jailed as any other common criminal would be.

Extradite him. Well, let us try and imagine the paperwork explaining why they want him arrested and sent to Thailand.....

" Dear foreign government, could you please detain one Thaksin Shinawatra, and send him back to us. He used to be the (twice elected) Prime Minister of Thailand. When it looked very much like he would win election a third time we staged a coup and took over. He was convicted of abuse of power (his wife bought a piece of land in a sealed bid auction, and she actually paid over the official valuation to win the auction). Guilty of this heinous crime he left the country. At the subsequent elections his party won, but over a year or so we managed to engineer the dismissal of that government and install one we preferred. At the next election Thaksin's party again won convincingly, and his younger sister became Prime Minister. We obviously couldn't have that, apart from anything else she was a mere woman(!) so we managed to force her dismissal. It took some doing but eventually we managed it. As it looked very much as if she (and Thaksin's party) would win the election which our then constitution required be held, some understanding acquaintances blocked it. Obviously as the countries military we were powerless to step in to ensure that the constitutional democratic process was followed, so we staged another coup. To avoid the embarrassment of breaking the constitution (which we had introduced a few years previously) we tore it up, and now rule by decree.

Please ignore reports of people in detention mysteriously contracting sudden fatal blood disorders, or people being prosecuted for "liking" posts on facebook. We certainly would not do a "Benigno Aquino Job" on Thaksin if you send him back to us (not in public anyway).

If you want to discuss anything don't hesitate to call. It may take a while before we answer, we're busy tracking down some red plastic bowls we suspect he's been distributing right now,

we managed to put a stop to the calenders with his picture on them and jars of jam with his face on them last year but this is proving a bit more difficult!

Yours ever

The Thai Junta"

This is hilariously funny , but quite true !

[Winniedapu]

But you are a supporter of an organisation which staged a military coup, which many people would consider treason?

But you're a supporter of corrupt police and military officers ? because it's only corrupt politicians who are an issue?

That mess being created is made by a military that cannot stay out of politics who have 19 times in the past stepped over that line.

That mess is caused when you have the likes of Suthep and Juttaporn as pit bulls for people in higher positions.

That mess is caused when you have monks who have become political mouth pieces and who have forgotten why they become monks in the first place and what it means to be a Buddhist.

That mess is only going to get worse in the very near future.

The stakes are very high, very high indeed.

Where did I ever say I supported corrupt police and military officers? The mess was made by corrupt politicians. Period.

Be nice.

I don't agree, there is a difference between the reason and the excuse.

Politicians did not cause this problem, they were, at worst naive in this instance. And corrupt, but every government in Thai history has been corrupt so that's a red herring.

This mess was caused by a wide conspiracy, co-ordinated by Prem but involving a broad swathe of the business, familial, judicial and bureaucratic elites, and was triggered when the police and the army were instructed not to arrest the seditious and treasonous PDRC or break up the conflicts which arose when the redshirts fought back. Yingluck for her part was naive and much too preoccupied by trying to get the elites onside, which was always going to fail because of her name.

Nobody was blameless in Thailand, for either fighting or for sitting on their hands, but make no mistake, Prem, Suthep, Prawit, Udomdej, Paochinda and Prayuth were the major treasonous guiding hands, even though it was not their idea and they were not the chief beneficiaries of first instance.

Sorry I couldn't be nice. I'd rather be accurate.

W

Edited May 31, 2016 by Winniedapu