Supreme Court begins first trial of fake rice deal scandal

[Winniedapu]

It's too bad the evidentiary details will be unreported or poorly described. These Thai legal proceedings are like the dance of the seven veils.

Well, the links on older topic about the G2G deals I just posted give some indication. Of course you being the lawyer type of guy you'd rather sit in court and listen. Since you can't or won't you just make subtle suggestions here, the mere hint that all is not well. Masterly.

There often is a world of difference between what is reported in the press and what is presented in the courtroom. Standards of evidence and procedure, you know.

There is more than a hint that all is not well in the Thai criminal justice system. One problem is the lack of transparency with the proceedings. We learn that "six witnesses" are to testify, but nothing is reported about the substance of their testimony.

In a functioning democracy, the courts should be subject to as much inspection as the other branches of government. Court proceedings should be generally open, and recorded, and the press should be free to report details.

Quite right. In my view, the Justice system (police. lawyers and courts) is easily as broken as the Education system and possibly more so,

Comes a time in the life of a car when it is broken beyond reasonable or economic repair. I think Education and Justice may well be the same. Knock it down and start again.

Winnie

[spidermike007]

​Anytime a government minister, present or former, or a top police officer, or any other government official goes to trial, gets sentenced, and spends time in prison, it is a very positive development, and sends a signal to others, that their interminable obsession with money, and willingness to engage in all sorts of corrupt behavior will not be tolerated. Any society that takes themselves seriously, and wants to move forward in the world and exhibit signs of progress, will go after corrupt people, no matter their family name, position, degree of wealth, or influence.

​Thailand, on the other hand, has spent precious little, in the way of time, energy, and resources, to date, going after these sort of people. Are things changing? Most of us believe the answer is an emphatic NO. However, many of us are hopeful, for the slightest sign to the contrary.

​So far, only the smallest of the small fish have been pursued. This appears to be a very deliberate policy, and appears to be a policy of absolute protection of the elite, powerful, and connected. Will this change? Hope so. But, I doubt it.

[halloween]

There often is a world of difference between what is reported in the press and what is presented in the courtroom. Standards of evidence and procedure, you know.

There is more than a hint that all is not well in the Thai criminal justice system. One problem is the lack of transparency with the proceedings. We learn that "six witnesses" are to testify, but nothing is reported about the substance of their testimony.

In a functioning democracy, the courts should be subject to as much inspection as the other branches of government. Court proceedings should be generally open, and recorded, and the press should be free to report details.

"We learn that "six witnesses" are to testify, but nothing is reported about the substance of their testimony."

The normal procedure is to wait until they testify.

[phoenixdoglover]

There often is a world of difference between what is reported in the press and what is presented in the courtroom. Standards of evidence and procedure, you know.

There is more than a hint that all is not well in the Thai criminal justice system. One problem is the lack of transparency with the proceedings. We learn that "six witnesses" are to testify, but nothing is reported about the substance of their testimony.

In a functioning democracy, the courts should be subject to as much inspection as the other branches of government. Court proceedings should be generally open, and recorded, and the press should be free to report details.

"We learn that "six witnesses" are to testify, but nothing is reported about the substance of their testimony."

The normal procedure is to wait until they testify.

That is so insightful.

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[billd766]

It's a shame as this kind of egregious scam, run by all colours of governments in the past, is exactly what the un-democratically unelected government should be heavily clamping down on, where clear evidence appears to be available of collusion and criminal behaviour.

Unfortunately these legitimate cases get lumped in with the unwarranted persecution of YS, so people even criticise these cases as vindictively colour-oriented.

Yingluk should consider herself very lucky that she is not defendant #29. Some of those charged are apparently closely connected to her brother, who had no legal right to be involved in cabinet meetings, selection of ministers and formulation of policy.

But but but... Thaksin!!

*yawn*

Winnie

Who are you yawning against? Halloween or sharecropper who brought it up in the first place?

[Winniedapu]

It's a shame as this kind of egregious scam, run by all colours of governments in the past, is exactly what the un-democratically unelected government should be heavily clamping down on, where clear evidence appears to be available of collusion and criminal behaviour.

Unfortunately these legitimate cases get lumped in with the unwarranted persecution of YS, so people even criticise these cases as vindictively colour-oriented.

Yingluk should consider herself very lucky that she is not defendant #29. Some of those charged are apparently closely connected to her brother, who had no legal right to be involved in cabinet meetings, selection of ministers and formulation of policy.

But but but... Thaksin!!

*yawn*

Winnie

Who are you yawning against? Halloween or sharecropper who brought it up in the first place?

Sharecropper's post seemed sensible enough. His big mistake was to cast the Yingluck spell, which, as everyone knows summons the Dementors, all wild-eyed and foaming.

And sure enough, up one popped, all of a flurry and a hurry, and throwing around all the old and tired curses which nobody believes now anyway - and super keen to get on with the job of dementing...

Winnie

[halloween]

Yingluk should consider herself very lucky that she is not defendant #29. Some of those charged are apparently closely connected to her brother, who had no

But but but... Thaksin!!

*yawn*

Winnie

Who are you yawning against? Halloween or sharecropper who brought it up in the first place?

Sharecropper's post seemed sensible enough. His big mistake was to cast the Yingluck spell, which, as everyone knows summons the Dementors, all wild-eyed and foaming.

And sure enough, up one popped, all of a flurry and a hurry, and throwing around all the old and tired curses which nobody believes now anyway - and super keen to get on with the job of dementing...

Winnie

As an alternative to deriding other posters, you could try addressing the issues raised. But that certainly wouldn't fit the agenda of obfuscation and denial. Try anyway:

Does Yingluk as PM have any responsibility for the actions of the Ministers she allegedly appointed?

Are any of those charged closely associated with her brother?

If her family is shown to have been involved and/or profited from this scam, could/should she be charged?

Do you believe her brother had any legal right to be involved in cabinet meetings, selection of ministers and formulation of policy?

[rubl]

It's too bad the evidentiary details will be unreported or poorly described. These Thai legal proceedings are like the dance of the seven veils.

Well, the links on older topic about the G2G deals I just posted give some indication. Of course you being the lawyer type of guy you'd rather sit in court and listen. Since you can't or won't you just make subtle suggestions here, the mere hint that all is not well. Masterly.

There often is a world of difference between what is reported in the press and what is presented in the courtroom. Standards of evidence and procedure, you know.

There is more than a hint that all is not well in the Thai criminal justice system. One problem is the lack of transparency with the proceedings. We learn that "six witnesses" are to testify, but nothing is reported about the substance of their testimony.

In a functioning democracy, the courts should be subject to as much inspection as the other branches of government. Court proceedings should be generally open, and recorded, and the press should be free to report details.

Quite right. In my view, the Justice system (police. lawyers and courts) is easily as broken as the Education system and possibly more so,

Comes a time in the life of a car when it is broken beyond reasonable or economic repair. I think Education and Justice may well be the same. Knock it down and start again.

Winnie

Well, I guess the system in Thailand doesn't work in the way you're used in your country of origin. Mind you the Snowdon papers show a lot of shenanigans going on is 'real' democracies. Seems Thailand doesn't do too bad in comparison.

Of course this is my opinion, just like your 'knock it down' revolutionary talk.

[rubl]

Yingluk should consider herself very lucky that she is not defendant #29. Some of those charged are apparently closely connected to her brother, who had no legal right to be involved in cabinet meetings, selection of ministers and formulation of policy.

But but but... Thaksin!!

*yawn*

Winnie

Who are you yawning against? Halloween or sharecropper who brought it up in the first place?

Sharecropper's post seemed sensible enough. His big mistake was to cast the Yingluck spell, which, as everyone knows summons the Dementors, all wild-eyed and foaming.

And sure enough, up one popped, all of a flurry and a hurry, and throwing around all the old and tired curses which nobody believes now anyway - and super keen to get on with the job of dementing...

Winnie

'unwarranted', you mean 500++ billion Baht loss on a self-financing scam is peanuts amongst friends ?

Of course this case has nothing to do with Ms. Yingluck well-deserved opportunity to explain herself in her case? Mind you, she had stated to define her own selection criteria to select people for her cabinet which she would handpick herself using said criteria. "knowledgeble", "capable", "full of potential" and added later "suitable". All that suggest that with the gentleman of the topic she failed miserably. On the other hand the chap showed to be capable and knowledgeble and have potential and be suitable as "Criminal of the Year 2012".

BTW " Dementors, all wild-eyed and foaming". Such language doesn't put extra value to your arguments, it only diminishes whatever value their might have been and suggests you try to distract by provoking.