So the money-grabbing sect are playing the political card and we have a few posters swallowing that.

The stupid argument seems to be that because we have a junta then all laws are out the window. Anarchy comes to mind.

This is a legal case that so far, concerns the DSI, police and an accused monk who refuses to even acknowledge a case against him.

I don't anticipate a storming of the temple, advocated by some, but the DSI still has a few cards up it's sleeve. For example get AMLO involved and freeze the temple's bank accounts. Block all wifi & mobile comms is another possible escalation, And so on.

So the money-grabbing sect are playing the political card and we have a few posters swallowing that.

The stupid argument seems to be that because we have a junta then all laws are out the window. Anarchy comes to mind.

This is a legal case that so far, concerns the DSI, police and an accused monk who refuses to even acknowledge a case against him.

I don't anticipate a storming of the temple, advocated by some, but the DSI still has a few cards up it's sleeve. For example get AMLO involved and freeze the temple's bank accounts. Block all wifi & mobile comms is another possible escalation, And so on.

Law is not out of the window. Just that which law to apply. Extract of a BP article explained "The law of God, of men, of the junta? The law of the well-connected and the privileged? The law that stares at the poor and the disenfranchised like the eye of the inferno? Dispensation of fair and equitable law?

So the money-grabbing sect are playing the political card and we have a few posters swallowing that.

The stupid argument seems to be that because we have a junta then all laws are out the window. Anarchy comes to mind.

This is a legal case that so far, concerns the DSI, police and an accused monk who refuses to even acknowledge a case against him.

I don't anticipate a storming of the temple, advocated by some, but the DSI still has a few cards up it's sleeve. For example get AMLO involved and freeze the temple's bank accounts. Block all wifi & mobile comms is another possible escalation, And so on.

Law is not out of the window. Just that which law to apply. Extract of a BP article explained "The law of God, of men, of the junta? The law of the well-connected and the privileged? The law that stares at the poor and the disenfranchised like the eye of the inferno? Dispensation of fair and equitable law?

Some posters have inferred that because we have a junta, laws are out the window - not me.

The laws of Thailand are man-made just like most other countries and it's not the laws that are at fault but the implementation of them.

The law in this case IS being (or trying to be) brought against an extremely wealthy, privileged & well-connected individual. You are choosing the wrong case in your attempted deflection.

So the money-grabbing sect are playing the political card and we have a few posters swallowing that.

The stupid argument seems to be that because we have a junta then all laws are out the window. Anarchy comes to mind.

This is a legal case that so far, concerns the DSI, police and an accused monk who refuses to even acknowledge a case against him.

I don't anticipate a storming of the temple, advocated by some, but the DSI still has a few cards up it's sleeve. For example get AMLO involved and freeze the temple's bank accounts. Block all wifi & mobile comms is another possible escalation, And so on.

Law is not out of the window. Just that which law to apply. Extract of a BP article explained "The law of God, of men, of the junta? The law of the well-connected and the privileged? The law that stares at the poor and the disenfranchised like the eye of the inferno? Dispensation of fair and equitable law?

Thammachayo and Wat Thammakai are not the poor or dispossessed, do you know how much land and branches they have? They were well connected when Thaksin was in power, they were untouchable.The amount of dubious business transactions he, the abbot, has conducted over the years makes for a long list.I recommend you read the BP Sunday edition 2 weeks ago for a full expose of the allegations against him.

He should have been defrocked a long time ago but he was protected by powerful figures in government and the Sangkha.

The stupid argument seems to be that because we have a junta then all laws are out the window. Anarchy comes to mind.

Many things come to mind when the Junta threatens to prosecute the people peacefully occupying the temple (and making it difficult for the DSI to arrest the abbot. Consistency, or equal application of the Law, isn't one of those things. The yellows/pdrc were allowed to shut down Bangkok, and have not been charged (same same for airport shutdowns) because that was OK?

Again, this is more political than criminal.

They were well connected when Thaksin was in power, they were untouchable.

This sect predates Thaksin by a long, long time. And we can trot out all sorts of other connected people - OK maybe not without violating the ToS - affiliated with this sect.

Edited June 18, 201610 yr by mtls2005

So the money-grabbing sect are playing the political card and we have a few posters swallowing that.

The stupid argument seems to be that because we have a junta then all laws are out the window. Anarchy comes to mind.

This is a legal case that so far, concerns the DSI, police and an accused monk who refuses to even acknowledge a case against him.

I don't anticipate a storming of the temple, advocated by some, but the DSI still has a few cards up it's sleeve. For example get AMLO involved and freeze the temple's bank accounts. Block all wifi & mobile comms is another possible escalation, And so on.

Law is not out of the window. Just that which law to apply. Extract of a BP article explained "The law of God, of men, of the junta? The law of the well-connected and the privileged? The law that stares at the poor and the disenfranchised like the eye of the inferno? Dispensation of fair and equitable law?

Some posters have inferred that because we have a junta, laws are out the window - not me.

The laws of Thailand are man-made just like most other countries and it's not the laws that are at fault but the implementation of them.

The law in this case IS being (or trying to be) brought against an extremely wealthy, privileged & well-connected individual. You are choosing the wrong case in your attempted deflection.

We have laws, the problem is not just implementation, it's more of interpretation that is part of the political problem and a bane to reconciliation. I don't expect you to see that.

Try placing dates on these ideas...

Are we having a guessing game about your meaning?

You probably need to guess hard when you have a poor grasp of world history.

Which came to the world first? Buddhism or Democracy? How many centuries apart?

Perhaps you fail to understand what I posted.

I never claimed that Democracy was directly referenced by the teachings of Buddha. I said there is "compatibility" with many tenets of democracy, and less so with autocracies. These two differing spheres of philosophy (Buddhism and the modern (circa 18th century) understanding of Democracy) could originate thousands of years apart (imagine that), and it would not invalidate whatever overlaps might occur. One could also reasonably argue that later philosophies derive in part from preceding philosophies, insofar as philosophers are aware of history themselves.

Clear enough?

A couple of inflammatory posts have been removed, please see the following link before posting further:

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/878797-updated-notice-to-members-posting-in-thailand-news/

How so?

The topic is about the lack of democracy in Thailand being given as the reason for followers of Dhammachayo refusing to allow his arrest.

Why is there no democracy in Thailand?....because of the coup.

So it follows, its more important that the 70 million citizens of Thailand see the treasonous coupmakers prosecuted and jailed, wouldn't you?

How about an answer to the question this time, Fanboy.

Oh great, an argument based on a fallacy, twisted to suit your agenda. The abbot's followers claim that justice cannot be served because there is not a democracy is proven fallacious by the simple fact that the perverted system in Thailand was far from democratic. As a fellow traveller of the Shinawatras, the chances of prosecution, let alone justice, were very small.

You want to whine that the military and the elite don't get prosecuted under a junta, and when they try to prosecute THIS elite, you change your tune. Why, because he's YOUR elite?

As to the importance of prosecution of the junta,isn't that a matter for the Thai people? Despite the calls for an uprising, civic disobedience, even civil war by your ilk and Shinawatras mercenary agitators, the Thais as a whole remain indifferent, willing to accept a military government because they are willing to concede they are doing a much better job than their predecessors.

I bet that burns.

Why can't Thai Buddhism come to a compromise.

Yellow Buddhism and Red Buddhism.

Simple.

One for the rich and one for the poor. One for the North and North-East and one for the rest of the country.

This is going through the minds of Thai people as they watch Buddhism dragged through the mud everyday in the media.

Maybe the corruption is going on and all the government say is correct but the way they handle the case's is truely amazing. So amazing that some even question whether the P.M himself is Muslim. When there was scandal in the Catholic church no one was raiding the vatican, sending soldiers or police into churches, putting out arrest warrant on priests, hunting down bishops. This is like medieval times.

No wonder the followers of the Dhammakaya Temple want a different government. How long will the Buddhist purge last for?

Edited June 18, 201610 yr by Wilsonandson

Why can't Thai Buddhism come to a compromise.

Yellow Buddhism and Red Buddhism.

Simple.

One for the rich and one for the poor. One for the North and North-East and one for the rest of the country.

This is going through the minds of Thai people as they watch Buddhism dragged through the mud everyday in the media.

Maybe the corruption is going on and all the government say is correct but the way they handle the case's is truely amazing. So amazing that some even question whether the P.M himself is Muslim. When there was scandal in the Catholic church no one was raiding the vatican, sending soldiers or police into churches, putting out arrest warrant on priests, hunting down bishops. This is like medieval times.

No wonder the followers of the Dhammakaya Temple want a different government. How long will the Buddhist purge last for?

Hopefully for some time yet. Don't worry there's plenty of criminals hiding in saffron robes.

I'm sure the abbot and his sycophants fondly remember the last government, which ignored their activities in return for political affiliation. Any reason you can give for ignoring their crimes?

BTW your recollections of the investigations of catholic church paedophilia are far from accurate. Priests and higher were arrested, tried and jailed. Enquiries dragged bishops from their ivory towers into the spotlight to explain their actions, why crimes weren't reported, why priests were shuffled from school to school and allowed to continue molesting children. Cardinal Pell currently attached to the Vatican and allegedly too ill to travel to Oz was forced to give video evidence - and it was far from convincing.

BTW2 who do think started the rumour that Prayuth was a muslim?

Edited June 18, 201610 yr by halloween

Why can't Thai Buddhism come to a compromise.

Yellow Buddhism and Red Buddhism.

Simple.

One for the rich and one for the poor. One for the North and North-East and one for the rest of the country.

This is going through the minds of Thai people as they watch Buddhism dragged through the mud everyday in the media.

Maybe the corruption is going on and all the government say is correct but the way they handle the case's is truely amazing. So amazing that some even question whether the P.M himself is Muslim. When there was scandal in the Catholic church no one was raiding the vatican, sending soldiers or police into churches, putting out arrest warrant on priests, hunting down bishops. This is like medieval times.

No wonder the followers of the Dhammakaya Temple want a different government. How long will the Buddhist purge last for?

I see nothing amazing about trying to arrest a man who received 878 cheques worth 11 billion baht embezzled from a cooperative by the former chairman of Klongchan Credit Union,Supachai Srisupakson who is now serving 16 years in jail for fraud.

.

Why can't Thai Buddhism come to a compromise.

Yellow Buddhism and Red Buddhism.

Simple.

One for the rich and one for the poor. One for the North and North-East and one for the rest of the country.

This is going through the minds of Thai people as they watch Buddhism dragged through the mud everyday in the media.

Maybe the corruption is going on and all the government say is correct but the way they handle the case's is truely amazing. So amazing that some even question whether the P.M himself is Muslim. When there was scandal in the Catholic church no one was raiding the vatican, sending soldiers or police into churches, putting out arrest warrant on priests, hunting down bishops. This is like medieval times.

No wonder the followers of the Dhammakaya Temple want a different government. How long will the Buddhist purge last for?

Hopefully for some time yet. Don't worry there's plenty of criminals hiding in saffron robes.

I'm sure the abbot and his sycophants fondly remember the last government, which ignored their activities in return for political affiliation. Any reason you can give for ignoring their crimes?

BTW your recollections of the investigations of catholic church paedophilia are far from accurate. Priests and higher were arrested, tried and jailed. Enquiries dragged bishops from their ivory towers into the spotlight to explain their actions, why crimes weren't reported, why priests were shuffled from school to school and allowed to continue molesting children. Cardinal Pell currently attached to the Vatican and allegedly too ill to travel to Oz was forced to give video evidence - and it was far from convincing.

BTW2 who do think started the rumour that Prayuth was a muslim?

General Sonthi Boonyaratglin former Commander-in-Chief of the Royal Thai Army and former head of the Council for National Security, the military junta that ruled the kingdom back in 2006. He was muslim, so forgive those people who were suspicious of Prayuth's faith. As for your Catholic church rant. I also enjoyed Spotlight the movie.

Why can't Thai Buddhism come to a compromise.

Yellow Buddhism and Red Buddhism.

Simple.

One for the rich and one for the poor. One for the North and North-East and one for the rest of the country.

This is going through the minds of Thai people as they watch Buddhism dragged through the mud everyday in the media.

Maybe the corruption is going on and all the government say is correct but the way they handle the case's is truely amazing. So amazing that some even question whether the P.M himself is Muslim. When there was scandal in the Catholic church no one was raiding the vatican, sending soldiers or police into churches, putting out arrest warrant on priests, hunting down bishops. This is like medieval times.

No wonder the followers of the Dhammakaya Temple want a different government. How long will the Buddhist purge last for?

I see nothing amazing about trying to arrest a man who received 878 cheques worth 11 billion baht embezzled from a cooperative by the former chairman of Klongchan Credit Union,Supachai Srisupakson who is now serving 16 years in jail for fraud.

.

Received? The cheques were donations. The abbot apologised that he didn't know or question where the money had come from. But the abbot did return all the money when evidence had been presented that this money was stolen.

Why can't Thai Buddhism come to a compromise.

Yellow Buddhism and Red Buddhism.

Simple.

One for the rich and one for the poor. One for the North and North-East and one for the rest of the country.

This is going through the minds of Thai people as they watch Buddhism dragged through the mud everyday in the media.

Maybe the corruption is going on and all the government say is correct but the way they handle the case's is truely amazing. So amazing that some even question whether the P.M himself is Muslim. When there was scandal in the Catholic church no one was raiding the vatican, sending soldiers or police into churches, putting out arrest warrant on priests, hunting down bishops. This is like medieval times.

No wonder the followers of the Dhammakaya Temple want a different government. How long will the Buddhist purge last for?

Hopefully for some time yet. Don't worry there's plenty of criminals hiding in saffron robes.

I'm sure the abbot and his sycophants fondly remember the last government, which ignored their activities in return for political affiliation. Any reason you can give for ignoring their crimes?

BTW your recollections of the investigations of catholic church paedophilia are far from accurate. Priests and higher were arrested, tried and jailed. Enquiries dragged bishops from their ivory towers into the spotlight to explain their actions, why crimes weren't reported, why priests were shuffled from school to school and allowed to continue molesting children. Cardinal Pell currently attached to the Vatican and allegedly too ill to travel to Oz was forced to give video evidence - and it was far from convincing.

BTW2 who do think started the rumour that Prayuth was a muslim?

General Sonthi Boonyaratglin former Commander-in-Chief of the Royal Thai Army and former head of the Council for National Security, the military junta that ruled the kingdom back in 2006. He was muslim, so forgive those people who were suspicious of Prayuth's faith. As for your Catholic church rant. I also enjoyed Spotlight the movie.

What should I forgive, their stupidity? His religion is listed in his wiki page.

If you have seen the movie, which I haven't, why did you post false information about the catholic church? Anybody familiar with the past and current enquiries would recognise it as a false, self-serving distraction.

Why can't Thai Buddhism come to a compromise.

Yellow Buddhism and Red Buddhism.

Simple.

One for the rich and one for the poor. One for the North and North-East and one for the rest of the country.

This is going through the minds of Thai people as they watch Buddhism dragged through the mud everyday in the media.

Maybe the corruption is going on and all the government say is correct but the way they handle the case's is truely amazing. So amazing that some even question whether the P.M himself is Muslim. When there was scandal in the Catholic church no one was raiding the vatican, sending soldiers or police into churches, putting out arrest warrant on priests, hunting down bishops. This is like medieval times.

No wonder the followers of the Dhammakaya Temple want a different government. How long will the Buddhist purge last for?

Hopefully for some time yet. Don't worry there's plenty of criminals hiding in saffron robes.

I'm sure the abbot and his sycophants fondly remember the last government, which ignored their activities in return for political affiliation. Any reason you can give for ignoring their crimes?

BTW your recollections of the investigations of catholic church paedophilia are far from accurate. Priests and higher were arrested, tried and jailed. Enquiries dragged bishops from their ivory towers into the spotlight to explain their actions, why crimes weren't reported, why priests were shuffled from school to school and allowed to continue molesting children. Cardinal Pell currently attached to the Vatican and allegedly too ill to travel to Oz was forced to give video evidence - and it was far from convincing.

BTW2 who do think started the rumour that Prayuth was a muslim?

General Sonthi Boonyaratglin former Commander-in-Chief of the Royal Thai Army and former head of the Council for National Security, the military junta that ruled the kingdom back in 2006. He was muslim, so forgive those people who were suspicious of Prayuth's faith. As for your Catholic church rant. I also enjoyed Spotlight the movie.

What should I forgive, their stupidity? His religion is listed in his wiki page.

If you have seen the movie, which I haven't, why did you post false information about the catholic church? Anybody familiar with the past and current enquiries would recognise it as a false, self-serving distraction.

Stop jibbering and spit it out man. What false information about the Catholic Church?

Anybody familiar with the past and current enquiries would recognise it as a false, self-serving distraction.

What are you taking about here? Masturbation?

Why can't Thai Buddhism come to a compromise.

Yellow Buddhism and Red Buddhism.

Simple.

One for the rich and one for the poor. One for the North and North-East and one for the rest of the country.

This is going through the minds of Thai people as they watch Buddhism dragged through the mud everyday in the media.

Maybe the corruption is going on and all the government say is correct but the way they handle the case's is truely amazing. So amazing that some even question whether the P.M himself is Muslim. When there was scandal in the Catholic church no one was raiding the vatican, sending soldiers or police into churches, putting out arrest warrant on priests, hunting down bishops. This is like medieval times.

No wonder the followers of the Dhammakaya Temple want a different government. How long will the Buddhist purge last for?

I see nothing amazing about trying to arrest a man who received 878 cheques worth 11 billion baht embezzled from a cooperative by the former chairman of Klongchan Credit Union,Supachai Srisupakson who is now serving 16 years in jail for fraud.

.

Received? The cheques were donations. The abbot apologised that he didn't know or question where the money had come from. But the abbot did return all the money when evidence had been presented that this money was stolen.

Naturally 674 million baht' donated' by a cooperative in Klong Chan is an every day event for a Buddhist temple, no way to check its origins, 'we're just a simple temple not interested in money.'

So when caught, he asks donors for funds to return the money.' Hey, I committed no crime I've returned the money!'

Why can't Thai Buddhism come to a compromise.

Yellow Buddhism and Red Buddhism.

Simple.

One for the rich and one for the poor. One for the North and North-East and one for the rest of the country.

This is going through the minds of Thai people as they watch Buddhism dragged through the mud everyday in the media.

Maybe the corruption is going on and all the government say is correct but the way they handle the case's is truely amazing. So amazing that some even question whether the P.M himself is Muslim. When there was scandal in the Catholic church no one was raiding the vatican, sending soldiers or police into churches, putting out arrest warrant on priests, hunting down bishops. This is like medieval times.

No wonder the followers of the Dhammakaya Temple want a different government. How long will the Buddhist purge last for?

I see nothing amazing about trying to arrest a man who received 878 cheques worth 11 billion baht embezzled from a cooperative by the former chairman of Klongchan Credit Union,Supachai Srisupakson who is now serving 16 years in jail for fraud.

.

Received? The cheques were donations. The abbot apologised that he didn't know or question where the money had come from. But the abbot did return all the money when evidence had been presented that this money was stolen.

Naturally 674 million baht' donated' by a cooperative in Klong Chan is an every day event for a Buddhist temple, no way to check its origins, 'we're just a simple temple not interested in money.'

So when caught, he asks donors for funds to return the money.' Hey, I committed no crime I've returned the money!'

How do I know what the Dhammakaya Temple accountant does or doesn't do when receiving a donation. If a mistake was made then the accountant should be fired from their job.

Wilson, I don't know about your son but please wake up! This man is extremely rich, for over 20 years he has done nothing but amass wealth and followers.

He is close to businessmen who have been accused of stock manipulation,the amount of land that has been in his own name as a monk, given by unwitting donors is extraordinary.

Please read up on the background to Tammachayo and his business transactions and you may come to a different conclusion.

Wilson, I don't know about your son but please wake up! This man is extremely rich, for over 20 years he has done nothing but amass wealth and followers.

He is close to businessmen who have been accused of stock manipulation,the amount of land that has been in his own name as a monk, given by unwitting donors is extraordinary.

Please read up on the background to Tammachayo and his business transactions and you may come to a different conclusion.

Yes, yes I know all this, I have read up on this. The abbot and the Dhamma foundation have never kept this a secret. This is a donation based buddhist sect. Their goal is to use meditation to change peoples lives, to create inner peace and inspire others to change the way they lead their lives. Hoping in the end to create world peace. I might think this crazy or choose other ways to think but I don't judge them. This is their belief, up to them. They tell everyone that their temple and foundation is mostly funded by donations. There is no law against this. The cheques that were donated that turned out to be stolen money are of course a worry. But this has nothing to do with the abbot and more to do with bad accounting.

Edited June 18, 201610 yr by Wilsonandson

Wait until democracy isreturned, PTP or what ever group takes the Thaksin money will be elected. All charges aganist the monk will be dropped as he is on the inside with Big , Yes democracy is a good thing.

So the money-grabbing sect are playing the political card and we have a few posters swallowing that.

The stupid argument seems to be that because we have a junta then all laws are out the window. Anarchy comes to mind.

This is a legal case that so far, concerns the DSI, police and an accused monk who refuses to even acknowledge a case against him.

I don't anticipate a storming of the temple, advocated by some, but the DSI still has a few cards up it's sleeve. For example get AMLO involved and freeze the temple's bank accounts. Block all wifi & mobile comms is another possible escalation, And so on.

Law is not out of the window. Just that which law to apply. Extract of a BP article explained "The law of God, of men, of the junta? The law of the well-connected and the privileged? The law that stares at the poor and the disenfranchised like the eye of the inferno? Dispensation of fair and equitable law?

Some posters have inferred that because we have a junta, laws are out the window - not me.

The laws of Thailand are man-made just like most other countries and it's not the laws that are at fault but the implementation of them.

The law in this case IS being (or trying to be) brought against an extremely wealthy, privileged & well-connected individual. You are choosing the wrong case in your attempted deflection.

We have laws, the problem is not just implementation, it's more of interpretation that is part of the political problem and a bane to reconciliation. I don't expect you to see that.

Most laws here are not implemented due to a highly corrupted police. Laws are interpreted in a way that usually favours the government at the time - that applies to any government here.

Yes it doesn't help reconciliation but neither side is making any real effort now and in the past.

That said reconciliation has nothing to do with the fact that a monk & his followers consider him(self) above the law that has been in place for years and junta-haters have jumped on the 'politicised' bandwaggon.

Why can't Thai Buddhism come to a compromise.

Yellow Buddhism and Red Buddhism.

Simple.

One for the rich and one for the poor. One for the North and North-East and one for the rest of the country.

This is going through the minds of Thai people as they watch Buddhism dragged through the mud everyday in the media.

Maybe the corruption is going on and all the government say is correct but the way they handle the case's is truely amazing. So amazing that some even question whether the P.M himself is Muslim. When there was scandal in the Catholic church no one was raiding the vatican, sending soldiers or police into churches, putting out arrest warrant on priests, hunting down bishops. This is like medieval times.

No wonder the followers of the Dhammakaya Temple want a different government. How long will the Buddhist purge last for?

I see nothing amazing about trying to arrest a man who received 878 cheques worth 11 billion baht embezzled from a cooperative by the former chairman of Klongchan Credit Union,Supachai Srisupakson who is now serving 16 years in jail for fraud.

.

Received? The cheques were donations. The abbot apologised that he didn't know or question where the money had come from. But the abbot did return all the money when evidence had been presented that this money was stolen.

Naturally 674 million baht' donated' by a cooperative in Klong Chan is an every day event for a Buddhist temple, no way to check its origins, 'we're just a simple temple not interested in money.'

So when caught, he asks donors for funds to return the money.' Hey, I committed no crime I've returned the money!'

Return the money and all is forgotten. Doesn't that sound awfully familiar. That's another interpretation of junta law.

So the money-grabbing sect are playing the political card and we have a few posters swallowing that.

The stupid argument seems to be that because we have a junta then all laws are out the window. Anarchy comes to mind.

This is a legal case that so far, concerns the DSI, police and an accused monk who refuses to even acknowledge a case against him.

I don't anticipate a storming of the temple, advocated by some, but the DSI still has a few cards up it's sleeve. For example get AMLO involved and freeze the temple's bank accounts. Block all wifi & mobile comms is another possible escalation, And so on.

Law is not out of the window. Just that which law to apply. Extract of a BP article explained "The law of God, of men, of the junta? The law of the well-connected and the privileged? The law that stares at the poor and the disenfranchised like the eye of the inferno? Dispensation of fair and equitable law?

Some posters have inferred that because we have a junta, laws are out the window - not me.

The laws of Thailand are man-made just like most other countries and it's not the laws that are at fault but the implementation of them.

The law in this case IS being (or trying to be) brought against an extremely wealthy, privileged & well-connected individual. You are choosing the wrong case in your attempted deflection.

We have laws, the problem is not just implementation, it's more of interpretation that is part of the political problem and a bane to reconciliation. I don't expect you to see that.

Most laws here are not implemented due to a highly corrupted police. Laws are interpreted in a way that usually favours the government at the time - that applies to any government here.

Yes it doesn't help reconciliation but neither side is making any real effort now and in the past.

Somehow the law didn't interprete in government favor when the ex-PM was banned for 5 years for crony appointment while crony appointments are common in this government. You should add political expediency as another bane in the political divide.

That said reconciliation has nothing to do with the fact that a monk & his followers consider him(self) above the law that has been in place for years and junta-haters have jumped on the 'politicised' bandwaggon.

I see nothing amazing about trying to arrest a man who received 878 cheques worth 11 billion baht embezzled from a cooperative by the former chairman of Klongchan Credit Union,Supachai Srisupakson who is now serving 16 years in jail for fraud.

I am under the impression that while Supachai did embezzle ~ 11 billion baht, he only made donations to the temple/abbot in question of ~ 680 million baht. Further, that money has been returned to KCCU.

Now a good question to ask is where is the rest of the money. But don't go there unless you are prepared for the answers.

Naturally 674 million baht' donated' by a cooperative in Klong Chan is an every day event for a Buddhist temple

I am under the impression that the donations were made by an individual, Supachai, not the KCCU. Further, these donations were much publicized, potentially discounting the money laundering charges.

He is close to businessmen who have been accused of stock manipulation

Well if one is guilty by association then you've got quite a few of the amart to round up.

Most laws here are not implemented due to a highly corrupted police.

This is a common fallacy. Laws are implemented not by police but by the State, based on sakdina/three seals, which is by its very nature, corrupt.. The police merely take advantage of the corrupt system; they did not create it.

I realize that the hatred runs deep here, it even affects foreigners as is evidenced by the venom spewed daily on this forum, and that the hatred for this temple and its abbot runs very deep in certain sectors of Thai society. Letting that hatred dictate policy typically leads to less than ideal outcomes, and another step backwards in time. But then some may not have learned anything from the local history, so they just repeat it time after time?

I see nothing amazing about trying to arrest a man who received 878 cheques worth 11 billion baht embezzled from a cooperative by the former chairman of Klongchan Credit Union,Supachai Srisupakson who is now serving 16 years in jail for fraud.

I am under the impression that while Supachai did embezzle ~ 11 billion baht, he only made donations to the temple/abbot in question of ~ 680 million baht. Further, that money has been returned to KCCU.

Now a good question to ask is where is the rest of the money. But don't go there unless you are prepared for the answers.

Naturally 674 million baht' donated' by a cooperative in Klong Chan is an every day event for a Buddhist temple

I am under the impression that the donations were made by an individual, Supachai, not the KCCU. Further, these donations were much publicized, potentially discounting the money laundering charges.

He is close to businessmen who have been accused of stock manipulation

Well if one is guilty by association then you've got quite a few of the amart to round up.

Most laws here are not implemented due to a highly corrupted police.

This is a common fallacy. Laws are implemented not by police but by the State, based on sakdina/three seals, which is by its very nature, corrupt.. The police merely take advantage of the corrupt system; they did not create it.

I realize that the hatred runs deep here, it even affects foreigners as is evidenced by the venom spewed daily on this forum, and that the hatred for this temple and its abbot runs very deep in certain sectors of Thai society. Letting that hatred dictate policy typically leads to less than ideal outcomes, and another step backwards in time. But then some may not have learned anything from the local history, so they just repeat it time after time?

Post of the day!

Sums up this whole fiasco.

In my opinion a little more about the upcoming endorsement of the next Supreme Patriarch could also shed some light on the timing of this witch hunt. Just reading the international press and what they have been saying on the situation, all concure that this is a fight over who become's the next SP.

Well, the law can function and be enforced equally with all people but the problem is that, in a rigidly heirarchical country, some people are much more equal than others.

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As the saying is, "All Pigs are created equal, but some Pigs are just slightly more equal than others".

This law applies to all "Democracies" including the U.S., the European Union, and the U.K. also.

That is why they have "Platinum" Credit Cards..... so the "slightly more equal Pigs" can be easily recognized from the others.

In my opinion a little more about the upcoming endorsement of the next Supreme Patriarch could also shed some light on the timing of this witch hunt.

This issue is tangential, but still linked to the Supreme Patriarch imbroglio.

The elite grip on the SP position, which was originally meant to alternate between sects, is long established and will never, ever be given up. Reconciliation be damned.

Edited June 19, 201610 yr by mtls2005

Return the money and all is forgotten. Doesn't that sound awfully familiar. That's another interpretation of junta law.

Then why are they still trying to arrest him?

In response to mtis205's remarks below

I am under the impression that while Supachai did embezzle ~ 11 billion baht, he only made donations to the temple/abbot in question of ~ 680 million baht. Further, that money has been returned to KCCU.

Now a good question to ask is where is the rest of the money. But don't go there unless you are prepared for the answers.

Supachai transferred 435 million baht to the personal account of Dhammachayo and 350 million baht to Wat Dhammakaya's account. 3 other monks received over 100 million baht transferred into their personal accounts.

To return the money after being exposed is no different to a thief offering to give you back the money he stole from you.

Regarding the rest of the money- this case is only the first ruling of 7 cases regarding Supachai's embezzlement. I suggest you wait for the other rulings to find out where the rest of the money went.