Vietnam protests against the Thai Navy’s attack of three Vietnamese fishing boats

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Vietnam protests against the Thai Navy’s attack of three Vietnamese fishing boats

HANOI: -- Vietnam has sent a diplomatic note to the Thai government demanding an investigation to a recent attack on three Vietnamese fishing vessels by the Royal Thai Navy in the Gulf of Thailand, Thanh Nien News Online reported on Monday.

According to Nguyen Hai Ngoc, first secretary at the Vietnamese embassy in Bangkok, the Thai Navy crafts attacked the three fishing boats with altogether 18 people on board with two of them injured and one went missing. The incident took place on July 8 at about 2 pm.

He added that the Thai Navy boats also rammed into and sank two fishing boats.

The two injured were later flown by a helicopter to a hospital in Songkhla province while the rest were taken ashore. The Songkhla provincial court was due to begin the trial against the Vietnamese fishermen for intrusion and illegal fishing in Thai waters on Monday.

The embassy has sent officials to Songkhla to assist the fishermen.

Ngoc said that it is against international law and common practice to shoot at foreign fishing boats for such acts.

Source: http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/vietnam-protests-thai-navys-attack-three-vietnamese-fishing-boats/


-- Thai PBS 2016-07-12

[akampa]

shoot first ask questions later

[PatOngo]

Nice to see AEC is alive and........well, cooperating!

[billd766]

AFAIR a lot depends on where the fishing boat was at the time, international waters or within territorial waters, and if the boats refused to heave to.

Link http://www.indexmundi.com/thailand/maritime_claims.html

There is more than this on the web page.

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Thailand Maritime claims

Maritime claims: territorial sea: 12 nm
exclusive economic zone: 200 nm
continental shelf: 200 m depth or to the depth of exploitation

Definition: This entry includes the following claims, the definitions of which are excerpted from the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS), which alone contains the full and definitive descriptions:


territorial sea - the sovereignty of a coastal state extends beyond its land territory and internal waters to an adjacent belt of sea, described as the territorial sea in the UNCLOS (Part II); this sovereignty extends to the air space over the territorial sea as well as its underlying seabed and subsoil; every state has the right to establish the breadth of its territorial sea up to a limit not exceeding 12 nautical miles; the normal baseline for measuring the breadth of the territorial sea is the mean low-water line along the coast as marked on large-scale charts officially recognized by the coastal state; the UNCLOS describes specific rules for archipelagic states.


contiguous zone - according to the UNCLOS (Article 33), this is a zone contiguous to a coastal state's territorial sea, over which it may exercise the control necessary to: prevent infringement of its customs, fiscal, immigration, or sanitary laws and regulations within its territory or territorial sea; punish infringement of the above laws and regulations committed within its territory or territorial sea; the contiguous zone may not extend beyond 24 nautical miles from the baselines from which the breadth of the territorial sea is measured (e.g. the US has claimed a 12-nautical mile contiguous zone in addition to its 12-nautical mile territorial sea).


exclusive economic zone (EEZ) - the UNCLOS (Part V) defines the EEZ as a zone beyond and adjacent to the territorial sea in which a coastal state has: sovereign rights for the purpose of exploring and exploiting, conserving and managing the natural resources, whether living or non-living, of the waters superjacent to the seabed and of the seabed and its subsoil, and with regard to other activities for the economic exploitation and exploration of the zone, such as the production of energy from the water, currents, and winds; jurisdiction with regard to the establishment and use of artificial islands, installations, and structures; marine scientific research; the protection and preservation of the marine environment; the outer limit of the exclusive economic zone shall not exceed 200 nautical miles from the baselines from which the breadth of the territorial sea is measured.

[trogers]

Why? Vietnam's waters ran out of fishes?

[jamesbrock]

A successful mission completed without a sub in sight...

[waldroj]

Yet another reason to justify purchasing submarines - the fishing boats would not have been able to identify who "attacked" them, so no egg on face.

[halloween]

shoot first ask questions later

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Edited July 12, 2016 by halloween

[leeneeds]

As the fish stocks diminish

escalation of crossing borders is

bound to happen A

world problem on the increase,

one year + free fishing zones need to be set up

sooner,

poor fisherman only trying to make a living

[trogers]

As the fish stocks diminish

escalation of crossing borders is

bound to happen A

world problem on the increase,

one year + free fishing zones need to be set up

sooner,

poor fisherman only trying to make a living

Only commercial fishing boats are capable of crossing international waters. What poor fisherman? Edited July 12, 2016 by trogers

[Winniedapu]

Excellent. Thailand pissing off another ASEAN country with it's obnoxious and arrogant behaviour. Again.

Winnie.

[bendejo]

I can just hear the boss now, telling VN "what part of Gulf of Thailand don't you understand?"

I would expect military leaders deal with such things with a little more, umm, spine than professional politicians.

[Clamhua]

Why? Vietnam's waters ran out of fishes?

The Chinese are fishing there

[Lannig]

Why? Vietnam's waters ran out of fishes?

The Chinese are fishing there

Can't wait to see if the Thai navy would dare such a stunt on Chinese fishing boats.

Consequences could be severe...

[Brer Fox]

The Vietnamese should consider themselves lucky this time. Last time they clashed the Thais being the cowboys they are pulled out their guns and shot them down.

Late last year the Vietnamese caught Thai boats in Vietnamese waters and ordered them to leave under the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea and Vietnam's Marine Law. This story (link below) explains a lot about the comparisons between the Thais and the Viets as to how they treat fishing intruders. You can bet the Vietnamese are not going to take this latest incident lightly.

"Vietnamese marine police always respect and protect fishermen and never use violence against them, including foreign fishermen," Colonel Doan Bao Tuyet said.

http://www.thanhniennews.com/politics/thai-boats-fish-illegally-in-vietnamese-waters-ordered-to-leave-51686.html

[arithai12]

He added that the Thai Navy boats also rammed into and sank two fishing boats.

I would say it's unusual and not without risk to ram your boat into another to stop it.

I wonder if the pilots were re-hires from some speedboat company?

[12DrinkMore]

Why? Vietnam's waters ran out of fishes?

The Chinese are fishing there

They have all been poisoned to death.

http://e.vnexpress.net/news/news/mystery-poison-blamed-for-mass-fish-deaths-along-vietnam-s-central-coast-3390126.html

And the remaining ones are unfit for human consumption.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/09/world/asia/vietnam-fish-kill.html

Edited July 12, 2016 by 12DrinkMore

[whatproblem]

Doesn't matter that they are Vietnamese they were fishing illegally,do the same with anyone fishing illegally

[Brer Fox]

Excellent. Thailand pissing off another ASEAN country with it's obnoxious and arrogant behaviour. Again.

Winnie.

Correct Winnie. Yet the Thais seem to think it is acceptable for them to poach in other countries' waters.

All of these countries like Malaysia, Indonesia, Vietnam, Thailand and China routinely poach in each others waters. Just the other day a Chinese fishing vessel was caught in Vietnamese waters. Vietnam responded by confiscating their catch and gear and requesting them to leave. Vietnamese boats are frequently caught in China

http://www.thanhniennews.com/politics/chinese-fishing-boat-asked-to-leave-vietnamese-waters-64096.html

Not so Thailand where the gung-ho trigger happy navy pull out their guns and shoot defenceless people and ram and sink vessels. Is this what they have been practising for in the recent naval exercises.

Over the last 80 years the Vietnamese have seen off the Japanese, the French, the Americans, and the Chinese (1979). In 1975 Pol Pot became aggressive with Vietnam and killed thousands of Vietnamese and look what happened to him as a result of that. Vietnam declared war and liberated Cambodia and forced Pol Pot to take refuge in Thailand where he was given protection.

The Thais should be very careful in the way they treat their neighbours.

[mettech]

It happen a lot here in Canada 250 mile zone many fishing boat go with dory and net and buoy and set their net inside and go away back to their vessel waiting just mile off zone.

Seen it while serving on destroyer patrolling the said zone.

Although I would be imply to do like the Thai ram the fishing boat and destroy their net good move from the Navy.

[beautifulthailand99]

Excellent. Thailand pissing off another ASEAN country with it's obnoxious and arrogant behaviour. Again.

Winnie.

Correct Winnie. Yet the Thais seem to think it is acceptable for them to poach in other countries' waters.

All of these countries like Malaysia, Indonesia, Vietnam, Thailand and China routinely poach in each others waters. Just the other day a Chinese fishing vessel was caught in Vietnamese waters. Vietnam responded by confiscating their catch and gear and requesting them to leave. Vietnamese boats are frequently caught in China

http://www.thanhniennews.com/politics/chinese-fishing-boat-asked-to-leave-vietnamese-waters-64096.html

Not so Thailand where the gung-ho trigger happy navy pull out their guns and shoot defenceless people and ram and sink vessels. Is this what they have been practising for in the recent naval exercises.

Over the last 80 years the Vietnamese have seen off the Japanese, the French, the Americans, and the Chinese (1979). In 1975 Pol Pot became aggressive with Vietnam and killed thousands of Vietnamese and look what happened to him as a result of that. Vietnam declared war and liberated Cambodia and forced Pol Pot to take refuge in Thailand where he was given protection.

The Thais should be very careful in the way they treat their neighbours.

Precisely though the military have previous hubris .....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thai%E2%80%93Laotian_Border_War

[Mystified]

Silly VN don't you know only Thai can illegally fish in GoT? You make them loose face!!!

[12DrinkMore]

Excellent. Thailand pissing off another ASEAN country with it's obnoxious and arrogant behaviour. Again.

Winnie.

Correct Winnie. Yet the Thais seem to think it is acceptable for them to poach in other countries' waters.

All of these countries like Malaysia, Indonesia, Vietnam, Thailand and China routinely poach in each others waters. Just the other day a Chinese fishing vessel was caught in Vietnamese waters. Vietnam responded by confiscating their catch and gear and requesting them to leave. Vietnamese boats are frequently caught in China

http://www.thanhniennews.com/politics/chinese-fishing-boat-asked-to-leave-vietnamese-waters-64096.html

Not so Thailand where the gung-ho trigger happy navy pull out their guns and shoot defenceless people and ram and sink vessels. Is this what they have been practising for in the recent naval exercises.

Over the last 80 years the Vietnamese have seen off the Japanese, the French, the Americans, and the Chinese (1979). In 1975 Pol Pot became aggressive with Vietnam and killed thousands of Vietnamese and look what happened to him as a result of that. Vietnam declared war and liberated Cambodia and forced Pol Pot to take refuge in Thailand where he was given protection.

The Thais should be very careful in the way they treat their neighbours.

Precisely though the military have previous hubris .....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thai%E2%80%93Laotian_Border_War

A much more amusing case is the Victory monument in Bangkok.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victory_Monument_(Thailand)

I wondered for a long time what great "Victory" was being celebrated. No Thai was able or wanted to enlighten me. Possibly it is not mentioned in the history books. Then along came good old Wicki.

Maybe they could rename it "Embarrassment Monument" and even better, introduce a National Embarrassment Day.

Edited July 13, 2016 by 12DrinkMore

[beautifulthailand99]

Excellent. Thailand pissing off another ASEAN country with it's obnoxious and arrogant behaviour. Again.

Winnie.

Correct Winnie. Yet the Thais seem to think it is acceptable for them to poach in other countries' waters.

All of these countries like Malaysia, Indonesia, Vietnam, Thailand and China routinely poach in each others waters. Just the other day a Chinese fishing vessel was caught in Vietnamese waters. Vietnam responded by confiscating their catch and gear and requesting them to leave. Vietnamese boats are frequently caught in China

http://www.thanhniennews.com/politics/chinese-fishing-boat-asked-to-leave-vietnamese-waters-64096.html

Not so Thailand where the gung-ho trigger happy navy pull out their guns and shoot defenceless people and ram and sink vessels. Is this what they have been practising for in the recent naval exercises.

Over the last 80 years the Vietnamese have seen off the Japanese, the French, the Americans, and the Chinese (1979). In 1975 Pol Pot became aggressive with Vietnam and killed thousands of Vietnamese and look what happened to him as a result of that. Vietnam declared war and liberated Cambodia and forced Pol Pot to take refuge in Thailand where he was given protection.

The Thais should be very careful in the way they treat their neighbours.

Precisely though the military have previous hubris .....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thai%E2%80%93Laotian_Border_War

A much more amusing case is the Victory monument in Bangkok.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victory_Monument_(Thailand)

I wondered for a long time what great "Victory" was being celebrated. No Thai was able or wanted to enlighten me. Possibly it is not mentioned in the history books. Then along came good old Wicki.

Maybe they could rename it "Embarrassment Monument" and even better, introduce a National Embarrassment Day.

A "Victory" monument that doesn't celebrate a victory and a "Democracy" monument that doesn't work anymore. Amazing Thailand indeed - never mind there are magic scarves now in use to defend the country from the evils of corruption.So all is good in the Land of Similes.

Edited July 13, 2016 by beautifulthailand99