Russia deploys missile system to Crimea

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Russia deploys missile system to Crimea

 

Catherine Hardy

 

 

What is the latest development?

 

Russia has deployed its advanced S-400 air defence missile system to annexed Crimea.

 

Russian press agencies have revealed the news.

 

What does it mean?

 

The announcement comes two days after President Vladimir Putin promised to take counter-measures after what he said were clashes between Russian forces and Ukrainian saboteurs in northern Crimea.

 

It comes after the Russian navy staged a large military exercise at the port of Sevastopol in the Black Sea on Thursday.

 

What Ukraine is saying

 

The head of Ukraine’s Defence Ministry Intelligence Service says the risk to the country’s safety is “still at a very high level”.

 

It comes after Russian reports of armed incursions in Crimea.

 

Speaking at a briefing in Kyiv on Friday, Vadym Skybytskyi said there was a strong concentration of Russian troops in Crimea that are ready to move into Ukraine on the order of the Russian authorities.

 

Troops on full alert

 

Ukraine put its troops along the country’s de-facto borders with Crimea and separatist rebels in the east on combat alert on Thursday.

 

Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko issued the order after Moscow accused the country of sending several groups of “saboteurs” to carry out attacks in Crimea.

 

Kyiv has denied the claim.

 

What Russia is saying

 

Russia’s Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev said on Friday that Russia could sever diplomatic ties with Ukraine over the reported security incidents in Crimea.

 

“To my mind, this is undoubtedly a crime committed against the Russian state and the people of Russia living on one of its territories – Crimea,” Medvedev said.

 

“I would not like it to end this way. However, if there is no other option to influence the situation, the president can probably take such a decision.”

 

Incursion allegations

 

Russia’s domestic security agency, the FSB, has said one of its officers was killed in a gun battle with a group of “saboteurs” from Ukraine last weekend.

The intruders had an arsenal of bombs, ammunition and mines, it said.

 

The FSB also said two more groups tried to force their way into Ukraine on Monday, using Ukrainian artillery and armour.

 

One Russian army soldier died in the confrontation.

 

Captured

 

Russian media reports say at least five members of a sabotage group were captured.

One of the captured suspects has been identified as Yevgeny Panov.

 

He has reportedly told the FSB he was part of a group preparing to sabotage:

• a ferry crossing
• an oil depot
• a chemical factory
• Russian military equipment

 

It is claimed he has said the group was directed by Ukrainian military intelligence and included some of its officers.

But Vadym Skybytski says the names Panov has given have nothing to do with the Ukrainian intelligence service.

 

Fact check

 

• Russia annexed Crimea from Ukraine in March 2014 after a referendum
• Conflict then flared between Russian-backed separatists and Ukrainian forces in eastern Ukraine
• More than 9,500 have been killed

(Information: Reuters)

 

 

-- © Copyright Euronews 2016-08-13

 

[craigt3365]

Hmmm...placing missiles on land they invaded and took from a neighboring country?  Fantastic.

 

Great way to calm things down.

[Class C]

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Hmmm...placing missiles on land they invaded and took from a neighboring country?  Fantastic.

 

Don't fret too much, the people in Crimea are not the only ones in favour of closer ties with Russia. You see, it's preferable to being burned alive by pro-Ukrainian activists as happened in Odessa.

[volka]

1 hour ago, craigt3365 said:

Hmmm...placing missiles on land they invaded and took from a neighboring country?  Fantastic.

 

Great way to calm things down.

 

Better way would be to bring few thousand NATO troops to the Russian border , along with few tanks,helicopters battle ships, fighter jets and start conducting drills ?

 

people of Crimea voted, surely not to the liking of some , but they did vote and fascist in the West Ukraine really have no say or vote on what happens in Crimea 

Edited August 13, 2016 by volka

[volka]

Pretty funny seeing Kiev putting its army on alert, they can not deal with civilians with guns, yet they planning to take on a real army, lol

Edited August 13, 2016 by volka

[craigt3365]

1 minute ago, volka said:

 

Better way would be to bring few thousand NATO troops to the Russian border , along with few tanks,helicopters battle ships, fighter jets and start conducting drills ?

Best way would be to withdraw all Russian troops from territory that's not theirs.  Things would calm down rather quickly.

 

Russian troops being inside Ukraine illegally is what's causing this.  You know?

 

In my dream world, NATO would cease to exist because they would be no need for it.

 

[craigt3365]

1 minute ago, volka said:

Pretty funny seeing Kiev putting its army on alert, they can not deal with civilians with guns, yet they planning to take on a real army, lol

A real army that's invaded their country and has troops and military equipment fighting them.  But yes, Ukraine is not strong.  Russia doesn't take on strong countries.  Only weak ones.  Georgia, Moldova, Ukraine, Chechnya.

[volka]

22 minutes ago, craigt3365 said:

A real army that's invaded their country and has troops and military equipment fighting them.  But yes, Ukraine is not strong.  Russia doesn't take on strong countries.  Only weak ones.  Georgia, Moldova, Ukraine, Chechnya.

 

And yet the silly Russians did more in Syria in 3 months than the super strong US did in a year

 

[volka]

26 minutes ago, craigt3365 said:

Best way would be to withdraw all Russian troops from territory that's not theirs.  Things would calm down rather quickly.

 

Russian troops being inside Ukraine illegally is what's causing this.  You know?

 

In my dream world, NATO would cease to exist because they would be no need for it.

 

 Gee and I thought best way would be for US and allies under its control to butt out and stop interfering in foreign affairs.

 

possibly also instead of bringing offensive military equipment , bring in defensive , since they so very worried.

 

but hey, Uncle Sam needs a war, so best to create fake enemy , work it and claim to be the saviour 

[craigt3365]

10 minutes ago, volka said:

 

And yet the silly Russians did more in Syria in 3 months than the super strong US did in a year

 

Yes, great job:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/mar/15/russian-airstrikes-in-syria-killed-2000-civilians-in-six-months

 

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Russian airstrikes in Syria killed 2,000 civilians in six months

 

http://www.newsweek.com/russia-has-killed-more-syrian-civilians-assad-or-isis-last-month-report-426775

 

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Russia Killed More Syrian Civilians than Assad or ISIS in January: Report

 

[volka]

4 minutes ago, craigt3365 said:

Yes, great job:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/mar/15/russian-airstrikes-in-syria-killed-2000-civilians-in-six-months

 

 

http://www.newsweek.com/russia-has-killed-more-syrian-civilians-assad-or-isis-last-month-report-426775

 

 

In the mean time 250 000 killed because Uncle Sam decided to interfere and another few million are loitering all over Europe .

 

Job well done, Russians are bad, case closed

[craigt3365]

You are aware of what started this conflict, right?  Best do some research.  The blame lies with Assad.  Period.  Can't blame Russia or the US for that.

[Rancid]

If you took your worldview from the guardian you'd be out marching for increased Muslim immigration, bigger government, more spying, transgender pre-school rights etc. Unlike progressive media of the past the anti-war sentiment has been replaced by just as an aggressive pro-war message of right wing media. They only disagree on social issues that government shouldn't even stick their noses into anyway.

 

That aside the missile system is defensive, unlike another missile system it can't be reconfigured for a first strike. As such it isn't a threat to anyone, the only thing of interest is whose air-force are they expecting?

[craigt3365]

Definitely not my worldview.  I don't know much about the Guardian.  Just popped up when I did a search.

 

Is this better?  The problem with this war is the lack of independent reporters.  Assad won't allow it.  For obvious reasons.

 

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/01/russian-air-strikes-kill-1000-civilians-syria-160120135601455.html

 

 

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Russian air strikes kill over 1,000 civilians in Syria

Russian air strikes in Syria have killed more civilians than ISIL fighters, results from monitoring groups indicate.

 

 

 

[Catoni]

 

     Why more Russian missile systems in Crimea or Ukraine ? ?

 

     So they can shoot down more civilian Boeing 777 airliners ?    One not enough ? ? 

 

   (Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 (MH17/MAS17))    Shot down using a mobile Buk surface-to-air missile launcher, July 2014, killing all 283 passengers and 15 crew on board.  BUK System:    

Operational range	30 kilometres (19 mi)
Flight altitude	14,000 metres (46,000 ft)
Speed	Mach 3
Guidance system	Semi-active radar homing

Edited August 13, 2016 by Catoni
Added "...Crimea or Ukraine??"

[fatyank]

I went to the crimea in 2010......it felt more like russia than the ukraine.........

[khunken]

None of this would have been necessary if the US, led by Obama's neo-con (neo-fascist) Victoria Nuland, hadn't instigated a Ukro-Nazi coup against the then government of Ukraine.

 

Russia then provided support to the east-Ukrainian Russian-speaking separatists after the Ukro-Nazis started to massacre them in Donbass and (Russia) tookover Crimea before the killing got out of hand there. Russia then conducted a referendum in Crimea - result rejected by the US before the event - which unsurprisingly showed massive support for the return of Crimea to Russia.

 

Given the number of NATO missiles all over Europe pointing at Russia, it is hardly surprising that Russia took action before the US installed another NATO base in Uktaine.

 

The lies that NATO issued over the bombing of Libya - exceeding in every way it's UN mandate - has only reinforced my low opinion of how it operates.

[fatyank]

2 hours ago, khunken said:

None of this would have been necessary if the US, led by Obama's neo-con (neo-fascist) Victoria Nuland, hadn't instigated a Ukro-Nazi coup against the then government of Ukraine.

 

Russia then provided support to the east-Ukrainian Russian-speaking separatists after the Ukro-Nazis started to massacre them in Donbass and (Russia) tookover Crimea before the killing got out of hand there. Russia then conducted a referendum in Crimea - result rejected by the US before the event - which unsurprisingly showed massive support for the return of Crimea to Russia.

 

Given the number of NATO missiles all over Europe pointing at Russia, it is hardly surprising that Russia took action before the US installed another NATO base in Uktaine.

 

The lies that NATO issued over the bombing of Libya - exceeding in every way it's UN mandate - has only reinforced my low opinion of how it operates.

 

 

correct...the EU & USA pushed too far

[craigt3365]

2 hours ago, khunken said:

None of this would have been necessary if the US, led by Obama's neo-con (neo-fascist) Victoria Nuland, hadn't instigated a Ukro-Nazi coup against the then government of Ukraine.

 

Russia then provided support to the east-Ukrainian Russian-speaking separatists after the Ukro-Nazis started to massacre them in Donbass and (Russia) tookover Crimea before the killing got out of hand there. Russia then conducted a referendum in Crimea - result rejected by the US before the event - which unsurprisingly showed massive support for the return of Crimea to Russia.

 

Given the number of NATO missiles all over Europe pointing at Russia, it is hardly surprising that Russia took action before the US installed another NATO base in Uktaine.

 

The lies that NATO issued over the bombing of Libya - exceeding in every way it's UN mandate - has only reinforced my low opinion of how it operates.

None of this would have been necessary if the PM hadn't been so corrupt and signed up with Russia just for the money.  The population decided enough was enough and wanted closer ties with the EU.  Can't blame the US for that.  A Ukro-Nazi coup?  Seriously?   You give the US too much credit.

 

Russia then invaded Crimea illegally.  Wow...where do you get this info from?

[khunken]

28 minutes ago, craigt3365 said:

None of this would have been necessary if the PM hadn't been so corrupt and signed up with Russia just for the money.  The population decided enough was enough and wanted closer ties with the EU.  Can't blame the US for that.  A Ukro-Nazi coup?  Seriously?   You give the US too much credit.

 

Russia then invaded Crimea illegally.  Wow...where do you get this info from?

The population didn't decide anything - it was a coup as I said & if you can tear yourself away from western media propaganda you might discover that the fascist Ukro-Nazi group were at the centre of Nuland's coup. Even some biased media admitted that.

 

I never denied that the Ukraine government at the time was corrupt and were happy to take Russian money. But that has been exceeded by the even more corrupt current government, happy to take EU and anybody else's money.

 

Your 2nd last sentence makes no sense. All my information has been gained from a wide variety of sources, even including biased ones like the Economist, where it is sometimes possible to extract the odd let-slip fact from the overall opinion.

[craigt3365]

Ukro-Nazi group?    Perhaps you'd best be tearing yourself away from whatever media site your reading.  Biased media?  Really?

 

Links please, from credible sites.  Global Research doesn't cut it.

 

I 100% agree NATOs expansion is causing Putin some grief.  But there's a reason countries are gravitating to the EU and not towards Russia.  A review of recent history proves why.  If Russia was so great, then all these countries would want to align themselves with Russia.  The fact none have tells the whole story.  Russia needs to provide something better to these countries.

[khunken]

10 hours ago, craigt3365 said:

Ukro-Nazi group?    Perhaps you'd best be tearing yourself away from whatever media site your reading.  Biased media?  Really?

 

Links please, from credible sites.  Global Research doesn't cut it.

 

I 100% agree NATOs expansion is causing Putin some grief.  But there's a reason countries are gravitating to the EU and not towards Russia.  A review of recent history proves why.  If Russia was so great, then all these countries would want to align themselves with Russia.  The fact none have tells the whole story.  Russia needs to provide something better to these countries.

Do your own research - I haven't the time. My opinion is from following the events of the coup & thereafter closely.

 

NATO is not only causing Russia to respond equally (militarily), but has destroyed Libya and would have done the same to Syria if given half a chance. It's a scaremongering & lieing organisation. Russia is looking after its own interests & its Russian-speakers in Ukraine & is at least standing up to the self-appointed world sheriff. No side is perfect & propaganda is not convincing except to closed minds.

[craigt3365]

1 minute ago, khunken said:

Do your own research - I haven't the time. My opinion is from following the events of the coup & thereafter closely.

 

NATO is not only causing Russia to respond equally (militarily), but has destroyed Libya and would have done the same to Syria if given half a chance. It's a scaremongering & lieing organisation. Russia is looking after its own interests & its Russian-speakers in Ukraine & is at least standing up to the self-appointed world sheriff. No side is perfect & propaganda is not convincing except to closed minds.

I use to work for some very big companies.  We worked on closing very big contracts, more than 100 people working on these things.  It was hard work and took years.  But if we lost, we didn't go to the client and put a gun to their head to get them to change their mind.  We regrouped, tried to figure what we did wrong, and make ourselves better.

 

If Russia is losing out to NATO, they should figure out why and change their approach.  Not use the military.  Nato is not causing Russia to respond equally (militarily).  Russia is doing this.  And NATO has not destroyed Libya nor Syria.  Maniacal dictators were the reason.  Place the blame properly.

 

Russian speakers in Ukraine don't belong to Russia.  They live in the Ukraine and are citizens there.  They need to abide by laws and do things appropriately.  Not pick up guns and go after their neighbors.  Agree with your last statement.  Think about that a bit.