Rorri Posted August 20, 2016 Share Posted August 20, 2016 6 hours ago, sujoop said: One 'small' point many of the usual pro-red/Thaksin/mayhem crowd are overlooking about the detainees: ''conspiring in armed struggle against the state, an allegation denied by leaders of the Redshirt movement.' Seen this movie before in 2010, it did not end well. For those pining for a double-down of 2010 etc, you'll probably get your wish if history repeats. Directly after confiscating 46 billion of Thaksin's ill gotten gains in 2010 unrest really kicked off. Now, coffers facing massively higher 286 billion confiscation over rice scheme: Read the whole paragraph, you missed the important bit "The defendants, who are mostly Redshirt supporters in their 60s, stand accused of belonging to a clandestine network " notice, no mention of being guilty, only being accused, this means anyone could be "accused" as no evidence is required. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alive Posted August 20, 2016 Share Posted August 20, 2016 (edited) These old folks have many family and friends. All those people will now turn against the junta. I don't believe the 'militant' charge but I do believe that many who want their freedom are starting to think that direct militant action may be the only way to end the human rights abuse by the regime. What other choice do they have. This regime is the one jailing people and harassing citizens and their families when they speak up for their rights. The people want their freedom. When the pen is mightier than the sword and the pen is taken away what choice is there. Edited August 20, 2016 by Alive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAG Posted August 20, 2016 Share Posted August 20, 2016 (edited) 6 hours ago, sujoop said: Unproven who is responsible but a very unfortunate result of the reds having armed insurgents within their ranks - this is the topic of the O.P. (again), glad they are detaining those conspiring once again for another armed conflict (as we approach another confiscation of Shin family coffers *coincidentally*). "Unproven" "Very unfortunate result" There's none so blind as cannot see! There is plenty of footage out there of soldiers taking aimed shots with M16 rifles. There's footage of troops lining the parapets of the Skytrain tracks and shooting. There are plenty of independent accounts of soldiers shooting into crowds. There is footage of bodies. dead and wounded, lying in the temple grounds, many having been shot in the back after, I'll say that again' ,after, the protest camp had been overrun.The courts, not known for leaning towards the redshirts ruled that the army shot indiscriminately. "Unproven", "Very unfortunate result". What weasel words. Face the facts, internationally acknowledged facts man, the army shot at it's own people. They had done it before and they will do it again without doubt, and no doubt you will find some justification and refer to it as "unfortunate". A message was sent, there was no military or law enforcement need to do what they did, but the peasants were being sent a message - we will kill on any scale to keep power. That message resonates to this day, that's why there has been little active opposition to the junta so far. I don't buy into those who predict imminent civil war and insurrection, but one day the army, or those in charge of it, will order the soldiers to shoot at their own people once too often Do you remember the look on Nicolae Ceausescus face in Budapest in December 1985' when the people turned on him? That look could well flit across a few faces here one day soon. It will definitely be a"Very unfortunate result"! Edited August 20, 2016 by JAG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baboon Posted August 20, 2016 Share Posted August 20, 2016 "Do you remember the look on Nicolae Ceausescus face in Budapest in December 1985' when the people turned on him?" December 21, 1989 just to fix what was probably a typo on your part... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Briggsy Posted August 20, 2016 Share Posted August 20, 2016 It always ends with a massacre in Central Bangkok. It is the Thai way. The opposition has to gain momentum and a foothold first and the junta is Chinese-style shutting down any kind of political grouping. If there is no grouping, there is no movement and if there is no cohesive movement, there is no effective power struggle. But one small faction of the military cannot control Thailand's power and resources for too long before it all boils over. Perhaps a worker's movement will be the vehicle for change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyIdea Posted August 21, 2016 Share Posted August 21, 2016 13 hours ago, Briggsy said: It always ends with a massacre in Central Bangkok. It is the Thai way. The opposition has to gain momentum and a foothold first and the junta is Chinese-style shutting down any kind of political grouping. If there is no grouping, there is no movement and if there is no cohesive movement, there is no effective power struggle. But one small faction of the military cannot control Thailand's power and resources for too long before it all boils over. Perhaps a worker's movement will be the vehicle for change. No, totally depends on the subject of the unrest. The communism driven unrests were centered around the universities and frankly, I am glad that the military stepped in to stop that from spreading and make Thailand a communist state like Laos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gandalf12 Posted August 21, 2016 Share Posted August 21, 2016 Anyone know the name of the Tom Cruise movie were they arrested people for crimes they had yet to commit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peterw42 Posted August 21, 2016 Share Posted August 21, 2016 16 minutes ago, gandalf12 said: Anyone know the name of the Tom Cruise movie were they arrested people for crimes they had yet to commit? Minority Report Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gandalf12 Posted August 21, 2016 Share Posted August 21, 2016 1 hour ago, Peterw42 said: Minority Report Thank you. Now you know it isn't just fiction Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baboon Posted August 21, 2016 Share Posted August 21, 2016 1 hour ago, MikeyIdea said: No, totally depends on the subject of the unrest. The communism driven unrests were centered around the universities and frankly, I am glad that the military stepped in to stop that from spreading and make Thailand a communist state like Laos Come on, then: How were the unrests communism driven? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyIdea Posted August 21, 2016 Share Posted August 21, 2016 1 hour ago, baboon said: Come on, then: How were the unrests communism driven? Briggsy said that it always ends with a massacre in central Bangkok which is not correct. The unrests in the 60s and the 70s were centered around the universities and had nothing to do with central Bangkok The organised spectacles we have in central Bangkok nowadays is a rather new invention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomwct Posted August 21, 2016 Share Posted August 21, 2016 Good to hear they are going to prison. You break the law you face the consequences no matter your a red shirt, a blue shirt, a yellow shirt or a pink shirt. One year will do them good. Just bring a little pocket money for food. Thaksin can afford it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baboon Posted August 21, 2016 Share Posted August 21, 2016 26 minutes ago, MikeyIdea said: Briggsy said that it always ends with a massacre in central Bangkok which is not correct. The unrests in the 60s and the 70s were centered around the universities and had nothing to do with central Bangkok The organised spectacles we have in central Bangkok nowadays is a rather new invention So nothing to do with communism then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AGareth2 Posted August 21, 2016 Share Posted August 21, 2016 First it is children now it is the elderly They should stick to playing golf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asiantravel Posted August 21, 2016 Share Posted August 21, 2016 16 minutes ago, tomwct said: Good to hear they are going to prison. You break the law you face the consequences no matter your a red shirt, a blue shirt, a yellow shirt or a pink shirt. One year will do them good. Just bring a little pocket money for food. Thaksin can afford it! so when will they get round to charging let alone convicting the Red Bull heir? You think these old people deserve jail more than him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawk Posted August 21, 2016 Share Posted August 21, 2016 4 hours ago, MikeyIdea said: The communism driven unrests were centered around the universities and frankly, I am glad that the military stepped in to stop that from spreading and make Thailand a communist state like Laos Actually the unrest and massacre back in 1973 was not about communism; On 6 October, Thirayuth Boonmee and ten other political activists were arrested for distributing leaflets in crowded places in Bangkok such as Bang Lamphu, Siam Square,Pratunam, urging support for an early drafting of the constitution. The ruling government used a decree banning gatherings of more than five people to arrest them. The other arrestees were Thirayuth, Prapansak Kamolpetch, Boonsong Chalethorn, Bandhit Hengnilrat, Visa Kanthap, Thanya Chunkathatharn, Thawee Muenthikorn, Montri Juengsirinarak, Nopporn Suwanpanich, Preedi Boonsue and Chaiwat Suravichai. Then there were numerous demonstrations etc. Then on 14 October 1973, the students reached the palace and were met by the king’s representative, who said that Bhumibol requested the students disband. The students agreed to do so, and the assistant director of the police ordered barricades placed to disperse the students in an orderly, single direction. The large size of the crowd meant many were not able to leave, but the police refused their request for another exit, which resulted in resentment among the students. It is not clear how it happened, but reports soon were heard about violence against the students as the crowd became restive. Early in the morning, bombs exploded near the royal palace and the police began attacking the students. By late morning, there were acts of vandalism and violence by both sides as the situation spun out of control. The government brought in tanks, helicopters and infantrymen to support the police. More than a hundred student protesters were killed and many buildings in and around Rajdamnern Avenue were set on fire. The number of demonstrators quickly grew to more than 500,000, as other students and their sympathizers rallied to their defense. The soldiers finally withdrew in the evening, and about 19:15 the king announced on television and radio that Thanom’s military government had resigned *****The role of the Communist Party of Thailand (CPT) within the student movement is unusual as it had no visible influence on the events on October 1973. The CPT also failed to incorporate the students into their struggle for a number of reasons. First, the nature of the students prevented their recruitment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyIdea Posted August 21, 2016 Share Posted August 21, 2016 32 minutes ago, baboon said: So nothing to do with communism then. The organised spectacles we have in central Bangkok nowadays are all about money and nothing else Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickJ Posted August 21, 2016 Share Posted August 21, 2016 Yeah.....way to old to cause any problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawk Posted August 21, 2016 Share Posted August 21, 2016 31 minutes ago, tomwct said: Good to hear they are going to prison. You break the law you face the consequences no matter your a red shirt, a blue shirt, a yellow shirt or a pink shirt. One year will do them good. Just bring a little pocket money for food. Thaksin can afford it! Its people like you that should be going to jail for making idiotic statements like the one above. Communism is all but dead as it was a system that could never work in reality. So this latest cull is about destroying the red shirt political movement, they are not communists, they are simply common folk who are probably fed up with the ruling elite as many millions of other Thais also are. Where is the evidence of wrong-doing? Of course no evidence is needed under article 44. Thaksin united a large number of very discontent people under the red banner against the overlord elite, he showed them that united they could triumph over the people that have been controlling the country for hundreds of years. Thaksin for all his faults was pushing Thailand into the 21st century which of course was part reason for his downfall, that and his growing fame and power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomwct Posted August 21, 2016 Share Posted August 21, 2016 Thaksin was taking for himself and giving scraps to the poor farmers. He's a US Billionaire from a cop in the police! I have to agree most of the politicians were all corrupt for themselves. Nothing about Communism here! Thaksin bought his votes, so he could be elected to .......$$$$$! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smutcakes Posted August 21, 2016 Share Posted August 21, 2016 46 minutes ago, tomwct said: Thaksin was taking for himself and giving scraps to the poor farmers. He's a US Billionaire from a cop in the police! I have to agree most of the politicians were all corrupt for themselves. Nothing about Communism here! Thaksin bought his votes, so he could be elected to .......$$$$$! They all buy their votes, they are all corrupt, yet seemingly that is only a problem if its PTP. Vote buying and corruption is fine if you support any other party or the military. TS might have been taking for himself and giving scraps to the poor farmers, but those scraps were far more than any other political party or military Government had ever done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eligius Posted August 21, 2016 Share Posted August 21, 2016 (edited) 23 minutes ago, smutcakes said: They all buy their votes, they are all corrupt, yet seemingly that is only a problem if its PTP. Vote buying and corruption is fine if you support any other party or the military. TS might have been taking for himself and giving scraps to the poor farmers, but those scraps were far more than any other political party or military Government had ever done. Oh, how true! Corruption is everywhere - from top to bottom, left to right. But can one blame the poor for preferring those (of course stunningly corrupt) rich power-wielders who in the past at least gave them something (even though very little) - rather than constant contempt, serfdom and degradation? Edited August 21, 2016 by Eligius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenchair Posted August 21, 2016 Share Posted August 21, 2016 On 20/8/2016 at 9:01 AM, sujoop said: Do you mean that you oppose red-shirts planning even more violence as we've seen them do in the past many, many times? Or, you oppose that some are finally being taken to task? Perhaps some prefer:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74YPTIiHiro Or this:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvbUVCopKec They are 71 years old. They had a meeting together that they didn't like the present government. Hardly a threat to national security. Rediculous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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